With Spoilers, Discuss the Avengers

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I have a feeling this has probably been done, but I didn't see it, so oh well. Basically, this is somewhere where you can blurt out your thoughts on the Avengers without worrying about spoiling it for someone else. Let me make this clear: if you have not seen the Avengers, stay out of this thread.

Ahem.

Now that that's out of the way

COULSON, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Captcha: Gotham City. Interesting...

Pretty much the same reaction as I did, about Phil, but my wife pointed out an interesting possibility on the way home.

He might not be dead.

Nick Fury is a manipulative twat, he pretended those cards were in his pocket and outright lied to the Avengers, I think he'd be more than capable of faking Phil's death to ensure their cooperation.

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Jeremy Renner: The new and improved Orlando Bloom.

I think I may have peed.

Did ANY theater not explode in uproarious laughter and applause when Loki's big verbal lashing of the INCREDIBLE FREAKING HULK ended quite badly for him? I thought so. That kind of scene isn't exactly uncommon, but it was just amazingly well done. I didn't hear what Hulk said to Loki afterward I was laughing so hard!

That, plus Hulk's casual punching of Thor right after they just took a leviathan down makes me declare Hulk to be the funniest character in the whole movie. Followed closely by Tony.

Also this:

Thor: Be careful how you speak of Loki! He is of Asgard and he is my brother!!
Black Widow: He killed 80 people in 2 days.
Thor: ... He's adopted.

I've never seen a single Joss Whedon work before this movie, so I always wondered why people go nuts over him. Now I know. Is ALL of his stuff like this? I may have to check them out if they are!

So, it's like this, that, this, that, and then BOOM! and like, omg it's that guy, and that and then there's this scene where these things happen, and BOOM!!! Explosions, explosions, explosions, then the guy who's that guy with red in his outfit hits the other guy and it's like, 'bazow' then there all brawling and it's like: "pow", "kazow", "whammy", "Biff", "Marty", then stuff happens and the character who wins is the character that won.

I hope that gives you an idea, without spoiling it.

Jack the Potato:
Did ANY theater not explode in uproarious laughter and applause when Loki's big verbal lashing of the INCREDIBLE FREAKING HULK ended quite badly for him? I thought so. That kind of scene isn't exactly uncommon, but it was just amazingly well done. I didn't hear what Hulk said to Loki afterward I was laughing so hard!

That, plus Hulk's casual punching of Thor right after they just took a leviathan down makes me declare Hulk to be the funniest character in the whole movie. Followed closely by Tony.

Also this:

Thor: Be careful how you speak of Loki! He is of Asgard and he is my brother!!
Black Widow: He killed 80 people in 2 days.
Thor: ... He's adopted.

I've never seen a single Joss Whedon work before this movie, so I always wondered why people go nuts over him. Now I know. Is ALL of his stuff like this? I may have to check them out if they are!

he has strong writing when it comes to team based things, (to the extent i will go out of my way to read any team-oriented book he has written) but his tv stuff is equally as good.

Jack the Potato:
Did ANY theater not explode in uproarious laughter and applause when Loki's big verbal lashing of the INCREDIBLE FREAKING HULK ended quite badly for him? I thought so. That kind of scene isn't exactly uncommon, but it was just amazingly well done. I didn't hear what Hulk said to Loki afterward I was laughing so hard!

I'm curious about what the Hulk said as well, but that certainly was an awesome beatdown.

Overall a great movie. My only complaint is that the Hulk didn't say much (not Banner of course). At least a "Hulk SMASH!" would have done (and that line got stolen by Cap), but I always smile a little inside at the simplistic names that the Hulk gives to all the various supers in the comics.

EDIT: Also, the rumor mills are speculating that Coulson might come back as Vision. I'm not sure what to think about that...

Great movie but I'm still pissed off Ant-Man wasn't involved. Oh well one can dream.

But as much as I loved it I have a feeling it's going to to turn people into comic book geniuses, ya know, cos it's the cool thing right now. Not that it's a hugely bad thing but it will be irritating.

Also I have a awesome feeling the infinity gauntlet will be used in the next one, so that's gonna be badass.

SirBryghtside:
You'll also notice near the stat that when the Jeep and helicopter crashed, there were no incendiary explosions.

That actually took me by surprise. I guess I'm so used to seeing things exploding randomly in action movies that I was taken aback by it. It actually made the whole movie for me because I went in expecting a popcorn film but when that happened (or didn't) it made me realise this wasn't just another action movie.

Captcha: Lunch Tuesday? Well anyone?

'Puny god' thats all i have to say :D it got a huge applause in the cinema ^^

This movie has done both Bruce Banner and The Hulk the greatest justice in their cinematic history. My favourite quote of the entire movie has to be Bruce Banner just before he Hulks out and takes down a leviathan in one punch:

"That's my secret, Captain. I'm always angry."

I may have felt bad for Banner before, but that right there really made me feel for the guy. Just before the Hulk turned that around and made him awesome.

Everything else was great too, obviously. And I feel that they utilized the entire cast of characters fairly well. Definitely made them feel like they came together in the end.

Oh man, it was better than I dared hope. Whedon was an amazing choice for it, he's always been great at group dynamics and interactions, at making something fun and serious at the same time, and his tone was perfect for the movie. And the best line from Banner in cinematic history, "I'm always angry". I feel no shame in describing that moment as epic.

But yeah, some amazing quotes apart from the one above, the best have already been mentioned in this thread. The fight scenes were fantastic, I loved seeing how naturally it seemed to see the Avengers dividing into teams. Thor and Hulk tearing shit apart, Hawkeye spotting and sniping, Iron Man (with the occasional assist from Thor) containing the battle and keeping the air support busy, Cap and Widow taking care of things on the ground level. Yeah, I've seen the movie twice, the second time only yesterday and I already want to see it again. I was expecting a great movie, what I got was a movie that will be very hard to top for my movie of the year.

I'm just as excited about what the sucess of this movie could mean for the other Marvel movies. Will we see Banner in Iron Man 3? I doubt we'll see the Hulk, but even just seeing Banner working with Stark would be an awesome moment. Or once everyone is eased into it we could see a duo in a movie or something. Which would be wonderful. It does sound like Marvel aren't going to just separate it all again, apparently Cap 2 will be him working with S.H.I.E.L.D. I'm rambling, basically I'm hoping once Marvel ease the audience into a continuity thing it'll become permanent, instead of just throwing everyone together for an Avengers movie every few years.

Classic Whedon humour, which I've missed sorely.

The action was pretty meh, outside of the absolutely fantastic 'tag-team' scene which lasted for about 3 minutes. I absolutely LOVED the bit where the camera tracked each of the Avenger's actions whilst they remained as a tightly woven team. That defined the Avengers 'team'...thing.

Outside of that, it was pretty good. Not the best movie this year, but it's a bucketload of fun. And Hulk smashing Loki is hands down the FUNNIEST thing I've seen in a Marvel movie. Again, classic Whedon.

No spoilers, but it was definitely the best superhero movie I've ever seen. I've seen it twice already, and will probably see it a third.

One of the few movies where there was actual applause for one scene; namely when the Hulk tosses around Loki like the little bitch he is......and it was fucking awesome.

I have been waiting for this movie ever since the massive surprise scene at the end of Captain America, but as it drew nearer, I became more and more afraid to actually see it. As Movie Bob has said countless times, a movie like this is SO easy to get terribly wrong.
But Joss Whedon nailed it, and the casting on all fronts was perfect. Mark Ruffalo is finally the man to get Bruce Banner right, all the other actors (not to forget the costume designers) did the impossible job of making some of the oddest costumed heroes look - not just like their comic counterparts - but actually really cool in live action.
And the humour and action and character dynamics were all spot-on. I've never laughed so hard during an action movie than I did last night at the "Puny God" scene, I've never cheered in a movie as many times as I did, and I certainly have never been a part of an audience that was so enthusiastic and into a movie than the one I was in to see The Avengers.
I would definitely call this my favourite superhero movie of all time. Kudos to everyone for getting it perfect.

Craorach:
Pretty much the same reaction as I did, about Phil, but my wife pointed out an interesting possibility on the way home.

He might not be dead.

Nick Fury is a manipulative twat, he pretended those cards were in his pocket and outright lied to the Avengers, I think he'd be more than capable of faking Phil's death to ensure their cooperation.

Not only that, but Whedon and Gregg said in separate interviews that Coulson would survive the movie, and neither is really the lying type. Now it COULD just be an example of Whedon messing with everyone by subverting expectations (Lord knows he's got a history of that) OR your wife's theory could be correct. We won't know for sure until someone comes out and says it, or he comes back in the next movie to provoke some drama. ("You lied to us!" "And it saved the world!")

Anyway, the general consensus among my circle of friends is that Hulk's bit with Loki at the end was the best moment of the movie. I disagree, only because everyone has so many great moments at that point that I'm sure I can't remember them all. Of one thing I am absolutely sure: I LOVE HAWKEYE. If I were a woman or he were gay (and, obviously, if he was real) I'd frigging marry the guy.

And damn you, Whedon for making all of the leads so adorable in their moments of emotional weakness. Cap is just so adorkable, I'm pretty sure about half the girls in the audience just wanted to cuddle with him. (As opposed to when we went to see Captain America, when they were all drooling over him.)

Best Marvel movie I've seen so far. Joss Whedon should be their first point of call for all future projects.
I was getting worried that Stan Lee wasn't going to make his obligatory cameo, but there it was right at the end.
I hope the Deadpool movie will be just as good.

Oh and I left the theatre as soon as the credits started, did anyone bother staying till after the credits and see if there was a "bonus scene" afterward?

The film was epic in every single way. Definitely worth the wait since Iron Man's reveal of Nick Fury and SHIELD.

The shot of everyone fighting in New York was beautiful. It wasn't even marred by the Hulk punching Thor, which was FUCKING HILARIOUS. But seriously, beautiful shot.

Hulk battering Loki was a part that had everyone laughing, and Loki's little moan afterwards was even funnier.

My favourite part though? Iron Man falling through the portal and getting caught by Hulk. It was in the trailers, but I just thought that part was epic. Hulk was just so badass, and seeing him as the comic relief was a massive surprise.

I hope for a Director's Cut DVD, because more Avengers is not a bad thing.

Smeatza:
Best Marvel movie I've seen so far. Joss Whedon should be their first point of call for all future projects.
I was getting worried that Stan Lee wasn't going to make his obligatory cameo, but there it was right at the end.
I hope the Deadpool movie will be just as good.

Oh and I left the theatre as soon as the credits started, did anyone bother staying till after the credits and see if there was a "bonus scene" afterward?

Yes the bonus scene outed Thanos as the true leader behind the Cituri invasion. Thanos smiles when he is told that "to attack is earth to court death". Nerdgasim! As We were walking out of the theater more then a few people asked (referring to Thanos) "was that hell boy" I facepalmed.

I am so sold on Ruffalo as the Hulk. Norton was awesome but Ruffalo just did it tons better. I think after this movie the Hulk is by far my favorite Avenger. Everything the Hulk did in that movie was badass and hilarious. That is my kind of super hero.

kman123:
Classic Whedon humour, which I've missed sorely.

Being a big fan of Joss Whedon, I agree with this 100%, After watching this and The Cabin in the Woods (which he helped write) I'm confident he is back to doing what he does best. Awesome script, even better fight scenes.

Also, the Captain America/Iron Man Shield-Lazer combo. SO FUCKING COOL D:

Craorach:
Pretty much the same reaction as I did, about Phil, but my wife pointed out an interesting possibility on the way home.

He might not be dead.

Nick Fury is a manipulative twat, he pretended those cards were in his pocket and outright lied to the Avengers, I think he'd be more than capable of faking Phil's death to ensure their cooperation.

Exactly the same theory I had when it's revealed that the cards were found in his locker. Coulson was too awesome to kill.

Craorach:
Pretty much the same reaction as I did, about Phil, but my wife pointed out an interesting possibility on the way home.

He might not be dead.

Nick Fury is a manipulative twat, he pretended those cards were in his pocket and outright lied to the Avengers, I think he'd be more than capable of faking Phil's death to ensure their cooperation.

See, I wondered that too, but they've passed the point where bringing him back would be anything other than cheap. If he'd been shown on the helicarrier towards the end of the film, maybe, but it's too late now.

Yeah, it could have been better.

There were a couple of bits where it dragged. Like half way through the movie when all they were doing was talking.

The Hulk:
And as cool as the Hulk was, I think they managed his story line pretty poorly. They made this big deal about him being this unstoppable, uncontrolable animal, yet at the end of the movie he was taking orders and working within the team. That simply didnt fit the story they had provided. He just rocked up on a motorbike and was a different character who just happened to look the same.
They could have made it more believeable if during the scene in the airship, when he was chasing the Black Widow and had just knocked her down, if he was about to smash her or something, they could have shown something along the lines of Banner attempting to take control. They could have then shown that he did exert some form of control over the Hulk, and laid the ground work for him being in control during the final battle. Because the Hulk in the final battle was a different Hulk that we were shown during the earlier movie. They were two different characters. They just looked the same. See what i'm getting at?

The Thor - Ironman fight, and the poor depiction of Tony Stark:
This was stupid and could have been done so much better.
Thor is a god and a great warrior, but he is not stupid.
Ironman is a GENIUS. Tony Stark would not have been able to rise to being a captain of industry without knowing how to talk to people and to convince them to see his point of view. Could you honestly see a person who acted like that, ever convince a board of directors to do things his way?
The whole concept that Ironmans first action to stop Thor would be violence is just plain stupid. Who would voluntarily pick a fight with a god? He would have talked to him first and convinced him that they needed Loki.
But then there wouldnt have been a fight scene.
Also, if Thor had killed Loki then and there, the Allspark wouldnt have been used to open the portal. And the rest of the movie wouldnt have happened.

Loki:
Loki is supposed to be a master sorcerer. He did barely any magic. A couple of illusion spells and they guess that covers it? Not good enough.
Plus, there's the side note of the arrogance shown by the film makers in having him speaking English to a street full of Germans. But that wasnt his fault. That was the writers.

The piss poor writing and Joss Whedon:
The whole film felt like a second draft. The feeling that I got was that they were forcing situations of conflict and not letting them occur naturally. They were just setting up fight scenes rather than them being inevitable.
Joss Whedon: I wonder how much actual writing he did for this movie? From what i've heard, he has been, a consultant if you will, for various movie scrips in the past. When the script isnt funny, they call him in to add one liners and make it funnier. I personally think that's what they did for this movie. If you compare the scripts for Buffy, Angel, Firefly and Serenity to this script, you can see that the Avengers is no where near the class of his previous stuff. The interpersonal dialog in this movie was hopeless. Yes Ironman was funny and there were some really good one liners, but the rest of the conversations were forced and irrelevant.
If on the other hand it was all Joss Whedon, then it's not one of his best.

The good bits:
Two really stood out for me;
1. The Hulk smashing Loki. That was awesome! "Puny god."
2. Scarlett Johansson's arse. Dear god! The scene where she was talking to Loki in the glass cage thingy, all I could look at was her butt. Woah.

Too long to read version:
1. Dragged on in parts.
2. The Hulk story had a major plot hole.
3. They treated Thor and Ironman like really dumb 15 year olds.
4. The writing was poor.
5. Scarlett Johansson has a great arse.

*** 3/5 stars.

I was really impressed with it. I've always taken Joss Whedon to be a far better writer than he is a director, but he showed some serious chops here. The attack on the SHIELD base was staged incredibly well.

The only real complaint I have is that the final fight and the ending seemed somewhat too safe - when the Chitauri go to New York I think there would be more impact in showing some civilians actually die. Not necessarily directly, but having a few actually struck by explosions and lasers would have made the scene a little more dramatically intense and made the Chitauri more threatening. Seeing every single person on the ground dodging every shot was somewhat trite. I would have liked a 'big' death or sacrifice too, but given the plans for more movies that was never going to happen - although they could have followed comic book tradition and brought them back from the dead. Cheap, but possible.

Ironman, Thor & The Hulk are the only characters they needed for the movie. I felt like the other characters were just useless compared to these three.

I haven't seen a film in the cinema in a while. Even Captain America and Thor I watched on Sky Anytime. Yet I am so glad I went to see this, would have been a mistake not to. I don't think I have a favourite scene but The Hulk smashing Loki around was gold, and the thing where the camera moved to each one of them fighting in a certain location. I have a question though, is the a after the credits scene? Not the Thanos one because that was only half way through the credits. Was there anything after?

What I liked: Gratuitous Arse shots of Scarlett Johansson, comedy between the characters, Hulk smashing Loki, Hulk Punching Thor, general setup of things

What I didn't like: For crying out loud are they trying to make bicep porn with every scene where Chris Hensworth has his arms crossed? They zoom in on the damn things from EVERY angle. I didn't like Phil dying either.

Cazza:
Ironman, Thor & The Hulk are the only characters they needed for the movie. I felt like the other characters were just useless compared to these three.

There's more to both characters AND superheroes than pure power.

"(i forgot): There a bunch of freaking monkeys.
Captain America: Hey, I know what monkeys are!
...
I got that reference..."

I couldn't stop laughing. I think Whedon was making a joke at his own expense there (due to his abundance of modern pop culture references), and it was great. Also the guy that instantly started playing galaga after everyone left.

OhJohnNo:

Cazza:
Ironman, Thor & The Hulk are the only characters they needed for the movie. I felt like the other characters were just useless compared to these three.

There's more to both characters AND superheroes than pure power.

I agree, even if you went SOLELY by their actions and powers, in the movie they're all important (which is what makes The Avengers great).

Captain America is the tactician. He's the one that gives everyone the orders in the final fight in order to minimize damage, not to mention saving hundreds of civilians (the grenade stop alone would have saved seventy-some people).

Hawk-eye (not on purpose) is a big reason why the bad guy was able to get such a foothold against the Avengers and his mind-controlled actions inadvertently bring the Avengers together. He was also a support role throughout the last battle, clearly assisting Iron Man in multiple occasions and shown saving the life of multiple Avengers.

Most importantly...Black Widow shut down the damn portal! It doesn't matter how well Iron Man, Thor, and Hulk do in that final battle if the enemy can just keep pouring soldiers at us.

Offworlder:
Great movie but I'm still pissed off Ant-Man wasn't involved. Oh well one can dream.

Edgar Wright posted a picture on his twitter account...

What could it be?

Dangit2019:
"(i forgot): There a bunch of freaking monkeys.
Captain America: Hey, I know what monkeys are!
...
I got that reference..."

I couldn't stop laughing. I think Whedon was making a joke at his own expense there (due to his abundance of modern pop culture references), and it was great. Also the guy that instantly started playing galaga after everyone left.

It's
"His own personal Flying Monkeys"
A reference to the Wizard of OZ 1939 Film, probably the last movie Cap ever saw before the war

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