What measure is evil?

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How would you measure evil? like on a scale of 1 to 10.
Is an evil deed against many worse than an evil deed directed at one person personally?
Is the worse thing you can do to a person is kill them or make them suffer to a point where they cant recover and must live in suffering?
Is causing harm to a person worse than causing harm to a person that person likes out of hate for that person?
Is doing evil deeds for fun worse than doing it out of hate?
So many questions.

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Its subjective really

I do find this show pretty interesting though http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_Evil

Obviously a number of factors are involved, including the ones you mentioned. And a large part of it is determined by your own beliefs, emotions, etc.

I guess in the end it doesn't matter too much, since "how evil is that guy" doesn't really have any real world consequences :P

Can the unit be in Hitlers? That was an act of evil measuring 1x10^-5 Hitlers.

WolfThomas:
Can the unit be in Hitlers? That was an act of evil measuring 1x10^-5 Hitlers.

10 micro hitlers? that's pretty bad!

random fact:
Did you know that an average of 16.76 megahitlers are committed per year by EA?

hulksmashley:
Obviously kicking a puppy is the highest form of evil.

That's worse than lighting a puppy on fire?!?

I have to change my notes....

Well Nationstates, a browser based nation simulator I play on, measures authoritarianism in Stalins. My friends and I have adopted this measure for evil in general.

I also thought of that 'Most Evil' show. I'm kind of interested in it but it's never on when I want to watch TV.

CODE-D:
How would you measure evil? like on a scale of 1 to 10.
Is an evil deed against many worse than an evil deed directed at one person personally?
Is the worse thing you can do to a person is kill them or make them suffer to a point where they cant recover and must live in suffering?
Is causing harm to a person worse than causing harm to a person that person likes out of hate for that person?
Is doing evil deeds for fun worse than doing it out of hate?
So many questions.

Evil is unleasurable as it is only a title for certain actings that majority has deemed not acceptable.
Evil deed agasint many is worse due to the wider damage range. You do more damage, therefore it is worse.
Death versus suffering depends on the psychology of the sufferer and their belief in life after death. Our law currently considers killing as worse.
I dont understand. do you mean to ask whether it is worse to cause harm to a person you like or hate? it desnt matter.
Evil deeds are evil deeds, regardless if your causality.

1. You can't measure it, and even if you could, the scale wouldn't have endpoints. You can judge for yourself whether one thing is more evil than another, but it's entirely subjective and people will likely disagree with you.

2. I'm sure there are scenarios diverse enough to allow each option to be true.

3. You have a very limited imagination if you stop there in thinking of the worst you can do to a person. Again, it depends on the situation, although in general I think driving a person into suicidal shame or despair is pretty awful, and perhaps worse than most killings or tortures.

4. Hurting those who are uninvolved with your dispute is always more despicable than going after the person you dislike directly.

5. If the motivation is fun, it is less likely to ever stop, so I'd say that's worse.

geK0:

WolfThomas:
Can the unit be in Hitlers? That was an act of evil measuring 1x10^-5 Hitlers.

10 micro hitlers? that's pretty bad!

random fact:
Did you know that an average of 16.76 megahitlers are committed per year by EA?

Did you know the above is worthy of the below?

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So corporate greed is 16 million times worse than mass genocide of 11 million people? SEEMS LEGIT!

Bhaalspawn:

So corporate greed is 16 million times worse than mass genocide of 11 million people? SEEMS LEGIT!

Ofc its legit. Jew genotcide is nothing compared to what corporations did collectively.

"Evil" like many other moral stances is far too subjective to be given catchall answers. What is considered to be the highest form of good or evil to one is of less significance to another. Therefore I could only really answer that question for me and not for the OP.

To me, evil is defined as causing harm or injury to someone who is innocent without cause. The higher the scale of pain and suffering, the more evil. If the target is not innocent, or if the perpetrator has legitimate reason for his action, then the harmful act is less that of evil and more that of doing wrong with perceived cause.

Evil is not a word I casually toss around. To me there needs to be malicious intent for no reason that can be justified by society at large.

I suppose if I were to lay down some metric for evil, it would have to be rather vague. Defining what is evil is largely cultural and I can not think of an act that is considered evil by every culture through time.

Thus, if we assume that "evil" remains a nebulous term, the rating of evil would be based largely on the following: Intent, number of people affected, and mitigating circumstances. If I was going to create a model it would look something like this.

First, intent is obvious enough. It simply encapsulates the conscious effort to knowingly perform an evil act. This would be measured on a 0 - 5 scale. A person who does evil with no reasonable knowledge that their actions would lead to such a result would rate a zero. The same man who walks up to a person with a large caliber gun and shoots them in the head would rate a five.

Number of people is just as obvious and would be rated on the same 0 - 5 scale. A zero is something that simply allows evil (Say the Judges who ruled that Corporations had the right to seize private property through eminent domain) where a five is something that would affect a multitude (whatever the maximum scale of your personal monkeysphere is).

Finally, mitigating circumstances offer a negative value of 0 - 9. The trick is this can never reduce the evil score to less than 1. This would also be a cultural thing. One might award a high score to the classic Cowboy gunslinger archetype. Such a person knowingly commits evil (generally murder) in service of a greater good.

The measure of evil is roughly 17 centimetres, though in some countries they would prefer the number to be in inches. It's slightly more complicated to measure in that sense since the imperial system is also evil.

1- It depends entirely on the deeds, but the same evil deed done to many people or one person, is clearly more evil against the many.
2- It depends on the victim, if the person themselves would prefer death, then letting them live is the more evil act.
3-Hurting someone's loved ones is more evil, because there is no motivation behind hurting that person personally.
4- The motivation doesn't matter, the act is what is evil, not the reasoning.

KiloNazi's with the hypothetical offspring of Sauron and Cruella de Ville as a baseine for comparison.

torturing innocent people is evil wether you kill them or not

Regnes:
The measure of evil is roughly 17 centimetres, though in some countries they would prefer the number to be in inches. It's slightly more complicated to measure in that sense since the imperial system is also evil.

The problem is that people will TELL you it's 17cm but in reality it's actually much smaller...

Yeah the use of an actual unit of measurement of evil seems to bring most of the mathamatical theorems I know of crashing down around my head causing them to spout nothing but numerical nonsense.Were going to have a lot of sciencing to be done if were going to be able to get the univerese as we know it back on track and keep it from spinnning out of control in a horrible quantom singularity of absolute evil.

hulksmashley:
Obviously kicking a puppy is the highest form of evil.

What if the the puppy was evil?

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Strazdas:

Bhaalspawn:

So corporate greed is 16 million times worse than mass genocide of 11 million people? SEEMS LEGIT!

Ofc its legit. Jew genotcide is nothing compared to what corporations did collectively.

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Let me give you a list of a few things.

Day one DLC
DLC in general
Digitally distrubuted games
Microtransactions
Hats in Team Fortress 2
Team Fortress 2 itself

If you're dumb enough to EVER buy any of these things, you are a fool who will be quickly parted with their money.

That's what corporations do. They weed out the idiots of the world by putting out pointless and greedy shit and say "Alright, who's dumb enough to actually pay money for this?"

That's nowhere NEAR as evil or vile as MASS FUCKING MURDER and ATTEMPTED WORLD CONQUEST

Evil is not scientific, nor a phenomenon derived from observation. Evil is a stupid word invented by small minds to explain things they do not understand.

That's what I believe, anyway. I hate the concepts of good and evil, and I think they simplify things way too much for them to be viable to be used in any meaningful discussion.

Hitler was evil? Please. Hitler was changing the world in a way that suited his tastes. A lot of you would do the same thing if you could, yet you always imply that Hitler is the standard for evil, not yourselves. There are many other words we could describe Hitler with: selfish, intolerant, extreme, severe, biased, prejudiced. Any of them work and explain things so much better than just shutting down our brains, taking out the label of "evil" and slapping it on without any other thought.

The word "evil" is very general and doesn't have a specific definition. That's why it can so often be misused, and that's why you will never understand anything or anyone for whom you only use the word "evil" as description. It's a childish term, really, and I cringe every time I play a game and the only thing I hear about the enemy faction is that "they're evil".

Any negativity is bad negativity, that's why it's called negativity.

Bhaalspawn:

Digitally distrubuted games

wut? I love my DD games, makes it so I dont have to deal with gamestop.

Also you dangerously lack a sense of humor.

95spartans:

hulksmashley:
Obviously kicking a puppy is the highest form of evil.

What if the the puppy was evil?

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it doesn't matter, if you kick a puppy, you will be hated

WolfThomas:
Can the unit be in Hitlers? That was an act of evil measuring 1x10^-5 Hitlers.

That has to be the funniest invocation of Godwin I have ever seen.

But, what is evil? In a humorous tone, let's say that when someone eats babies, kicks puppies and writes catchy sales pitches, that last one is seriously messed up.

In a less humorous tone, getting your kicks out of fucking up stuff for others is pretty much evil on any level.

poiumty:
Evil is not scientific, nor a phenomenon derived from observation. Evil is a stupid word invented by small minds to explain things they do not understand.

That's what I believe, anyway. I hate the concepts of good and evil, and I think they simplify things way too much for them to be viable to be used in any meaningful discussion.

Hitler was evil? Please. Hitler was changing the world in a way that suited his tastes. A lot of you would do the same thing if you could, yet you always imply that Hitler is the standard for evil, not yourselves. There are many other words we could describe Hitler with: selfish, intolerant, extreme, severe, biased, prejudiced. Any of them work and explain things so much better than just shutting down our brains, taking out the label of "evil" and slapping it on without any other thought.

The word "evil" is very general and doesn't have a specific definition. That's why it can so often be misused, and that's why you will never understand anything or anyone for whom you only use the word "evil" as description. It's a childish term, really, and I cringe every time I play a game and the only thing I hear about the enemy faction is that "they're evil".

I think you can give someone like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Atkins the attribute of being evil, because it's just too much of a hassle to say all the attributes that is most oftenly associated with evil.

Bhaalspawn:

Strazdas:

Bhaalspawn:

So corporate greed is 16 million times worse than mass genocide of 11 million people? SEEMS LEGIT!

Ofc its legit. Jew genotcide is nothing compared to what corporations did collectively.

Let me give you a list of a few things.

Day one DLC
DLC in general
Digitally distrubuted games
Microtransactions
Hats in Team Fortress 2
Team Fortress 2 itself

If you're dumb enough to EVER buy any of these things, you are a fool who will be quickly parted with their money.

That's what corporations do. They weed out the idiots of the world by putting out pointless and greedy shit and say "Alright, who's dumb enough to actually pay money for this?"

That's nowhere NEAR as evil or vile as MASS FUCKING MURDER and ATTEMPTED WORLD CONQUEST

Cough cough. Yeah, you might want to check your sarcasm and joke meters. I think they're busted up.

OT: I don't know, evil is only something WE find evil. We decided that genocide and abuse and stuff like that is evil. Who is to say what other species say about that?

And yes, kicking a puppy is pure evil, no matter how you look at it.

WolfThomas:
Can the unit be in Hitlers? That was an act of evil measuring 1x10^-5 Hitlers.

You win at the internet.
Evil SHOULD be mesured in Hitlers.
It should be a thing. Lets make it official.
Starting NOW.

TwiZtah:

I think you can give someone like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Atkins the attribute of being evil, because it's just too much of a hassle to say all the attributes that is most oftenly associated with evil.

That's the thing, when you say evil there's just so many things you're not saying.

What motivation did she have? What did she believe in? Did she believe to be in the right? Did she think she was doing it for the greater good? Was she looking for revenge for something? And so on.

The temptation to simplify things is there, and it's not usually bad. But in this case it's people's lives, personalities and motivations we're talking about. None of these are in any way simple.

Theres no good and evil.
Theres power.
Good and Evil are only words, illusions created by the powerful.

Since I consider an act of evil to be a matter of intention rather than specific scenarios. Evil would then be a constant, not a sliding scale in and of itself.

Basically you would calculate how "wrong" a specific action is of its own merits, then if the individual had evil intent, you would multiply the previous result by E.

Evil and good are subjective, just like good and bad.

OP makes the strangest threads.

geK0:

WolfThomas:
Can the unit be in Hitlers? That was an act of evil measuring 1x10^-5 Hitlers.

10 micro hitlers? that's pretty bad!

random fact:
Did you know that an average of 16.76 megahitlers are committed per year by EA?

Also an interesting fact is that Lucas Arts are quickly catching up to EA in megahitlers per year. Whats the world coming too!

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