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Kid should be expelled for bringing a weapon to school. | |
At first I thought taking a stun gun was out of proportion, but abuse of homosexuals in schools (particular certain schools in certain bible-beating parts of America) this still excessive response is excusable by how the extent of abuse is extreme but far from exceptional. I still think it's wrong to take a stun gun as typically the way such abuse works is with multiple assailants and NO ONE coming to your help, a stun gun will shock one of them but that will only make him mad and he'll then just use it against you mercilessly. A more appropriate "weapon" is a secret recording device, to record all the threats, abuse and particularly the schools endemic inaction. | |
I live in Indiana, We have a lot of hate against gays here (Not including me, I like dudes ;D ) But I understand how it is when you can't even get the teachers to punish students because they don't like the student that is getting bullied. At least thats what I'm assuming is going on. Teachers can have bias as well as students. I support what he did and I would do the same thing if I was in that situation. Self defense is A-Okay in my opinion. However I hope that the kid wouldn't go around acting like a tough ass with that weapon lol. "If you wear female apparel, then kids are kids and they're going to say whatever it is that they want to say," Yarrell told The Star. "Because you want to be different and because you choose to wear female apparel, it may happen." Well that explains everything he goes to Arsenal that school is terrible. | |
Far from his weapons a man should never be You guys are advocating punishing someone who took actions to defend himself, when he already tried the "approved" methods of sorting out his problem? Strong arms and cruel hearts rule this world, and you're a fool to think anything else. | |
Alright, do you have a girlfriend? I need her phone number so that I can threaten her. If you say it's not a reasonable threat, then I suppose it's okay. I never said it was reasonable to bring a stun gun to school, I said it definitely fell into the definition of self-defense. And what I said DOES have to do with what happened. You just need to step into my house and you have given me enough reason to assume death threat or grievous bodily hard. Just like threatening someone in real life.
I am against the use of stun guns for self-defense in general because they won't do much to a 200 pound dude on drugs. But you think that a kid would stand after getting stunned? Check what they do to a sober adult. | |
Teachers are some of the laziest fucks I have ever seen. I would have just pulled my kid from the school and told the local news about it. | |
If you make a credible threat, we'll call the police. She won't however go get a gun.
No, it didn't.
An invader in your home is different than someone on the school ground who is calling you names. The situations are unrelated. Also, except in a few backward places, you can't shoot someone just for being in your home, self defense is required to be appropriate to the situation and not excessive. Automatically assuming you should put a bullet in someone because they are in your house will get you jailed in civilized places.
After you stun the first one and the other five tackle you, use the stun gun on you, and then beat you to death... | |
You just committed a logical fallacy known as the 'Slippery Slope.' There is no connection between him bringing a stun gun for self defense against physical violence and bringing a loaded firearm; one thing does not lead to another. Furthermore, he did not acquire the stun gun himself. His mother gave it to him. This was HER decision, and he followed through to protect himself. Also, sure, the stun gun COULD kill somebody, but you know what? If you're going to beat up a kid because he's gay, and his stun gun kills you, you had it coming. That's how self defense works. You make the claim that he should only use it in a life threatening situation. How does he know what the six kids surrounding him are going to do? How can someone tell whether it's a life threatening situation? What if the situation isn't life threatening, but will leave him bruised, bloody, and seriously injured? Is it really so bad to brandish a mostly non-lethal weapon to prevent a dangerous altercation? | |
At a school, where other people might get hurt? Yeah, its pretty bad. | |
Now you cut out the part where I mentioned the circumstance of multiple assailants. I didn't completely rule out use of any electric-weapons in self-defence. I believe stun guns (either the direct contact or projectile-barb variant) do have a place on the spectrum on self-defence, but to stay on topic I'll say they are not appropriate in schools. There is a time and a place for escalation of force with various "weapons" (lets consider a Tazer to be a weapon) and a student to defend from other students is not one of those times and places. In a school setting, the best tactic is avoidance and getting local security to do it's fucking job. And avoidance may extend to getting out of that school entirely until the security guarantees are made. Consider when there was last this kind of scale of abuse was pervasive in US Schools, against black students. It wasn't solved by the black students arming themselves, but by President Eisenhower sending in the Army to escort the students to their classes as a show of force and commitment that this abuse would not be tolerated. Guns may have a place in wider society, but only used by adults in uncontrollable places and scenarios, schools should not be the places students bring guns for self-defence. But if you are running a convenience store on what used to be a nice part of town but has recently seen more and more violent armed robberies, then arming yourself may be appropriate. Or if you commute often leaves you prone to being mugged or car-jacked as in these circumstances it's beyond the scope of the authorities to ensure your security. But it is different in a school, the authorities should be able to control these children in their enclosed property and it is the violent and abusive ones who should be excluded. | |
Weapons, no matter the reason, are NOT to be carried on school grounds period, end of story, Good Bye, The End. If school officials refuse to do anything about bullying or harassment, file a police report, that's often what we end up having to do anyway. Whatever you do, don't arm a kid with a tool he's just as likely to incapacitate himself with as his assailants. | |
Brandishing. Threatening. Not using, in other words. And once again, if they get hurt, that's what they get for threatening violence. Besides, you don't need a taser to get hurt in school. With or without the taser, somebody was already going to get hurt. In that case, it would have been the kid. When there are six people surrounding you who HATE you for who you ARE, it doesn't matter where you are. You show that you have a weapon, and make them back the fuck off. Put yourself in the kid's position. Also, the likelyhood of a taser causing cardiac arrest is on the low side. I don't know where ya'll are getting the idea that a stun gun is a lethal weapon. | |
I'm not condoning the bullying but bringing a weapon to school takes it too far. | |
On one hand, I don't like the proliferation of weapons of any sort, nor do I support violence in schools. But on the other, I hate that gay kids are seen as the perfect, defenseless victims. Bullies target them first. Bigoted school administrators do nothing to help or protect them. I honestly think some of these punks need to be turned into examples of what happens when you mock, bully, or abuse other kids: they defend themselves. Maybe if a couple bullies get shocked or maced or beaten with collapsible batons, they'll think twice about picking on anyone. Because you know what can happen when they're grown-ups? A gay man they try to push around might put two in their chests in self-defence, something he'd be well within his legal right to do. Also, to anyone who said he should've acted "less gay" to avoid being bullied, that's like telling a black kid to act whiter so racists won't pick on him. | |
So you don't condone the bullying, but you still think he should have let those thugs assault him? | |
No, I don't condone bullying, but I don't condone a Chicago tactics kind of attitude either. | |
...but they might not if you defend yourself when you're feeling threatened. Like I said, I'm a strong proponent of queer and trans* ADULTS carrying weapons and exercising their right to defend themselves when they're threatened, because hopefully, if enough would-be gaybashers get sent to either the hospital or the morgue, they won't see us as the perfect victims for their own sadistic, bigoted urges. And don't give me any slippery-slope argument about escalation. Other minority groups have used legal violence to defend themselves for decades without their abusers resorting to greater violence as a result. Past a certain point, people just give up when they see you're not a helpless target. | |
I saw the title and read "Teens face explodes after bringing stun gun..." before the text was cut off. Now I can't take this thread as seriously because now I'm thinking, "At least his face didn't explode..." | |
Haha, shit, I brought a knife to school to get rid of the asshole that was on my case. No, not THAT definition of "get rid of". I just brandished it, and the guy got the point (hehehe... c wat i did thar) and left me alone. Can't say I blame the kid in this case, considering he had 6 douchenozzles threatening him. | |
I remember those days... I also remember that anyone who was unable to keep up with the choreography was shunned, and had penguins thrown at them. >.> Fun times, right? OT - I don't ever know how to feel about this sort of thing. On one hand, I was bullied a lot in school, so I know what it's like to be pushed around and feel helpless, but on the other hand, there has to be a better way - one that doesn't get the poor kid in trouble, but still electrocutes the bullies. | |
I'd have given him a knife, but I guess that'd be one of the many many reasons I'd be a horrible parent. | |
Way to start a playground arms-race. -_-' | |
Where are you from exactly? Because I'm from a relatively metropolitan area of the United States and I would be well within my rights to shoot anyone who enters my home uninvited and refuses to leave? And the kids would beat him to death after he tazers one of them, really? I never met a single teenager who, upon seeing one of his friends writhing on the ground, screaming in pain, would decide that continuing the fight would be a good idea? Hell, the fact that the all turned tail and ran the moment he pulled it in the first place totally disproves your paranoid, misinformed, and I'm going to assume European theory. | |
....okay, while I fully agree that it's awful for kids of any sort to be bullied....what are you talking about? The kids only knew about his sexual preferences because he came to school dressed as a woman. That's....rather easy to disguise. Just stop coming to school in female "accessories". It's nothing at all like the analogy you're describing. Let's not make stuff up. | |
Lol, I'd give the kid a piece of broken glass. It can be excused as weekend recon gone wrong. Stab the little fuckers in the eye. That should at least keep them from hitting you... due to lack if depth perception. See? Thaaaaat's using your head. | |
Let's not make stuff up? The article said he was dressed "flamboyantly" and identified as gay, not a cross-dresser or anything close to trans*. Of course, your think that means he was dressed like a woman: if you knew the first thing about queer or trans* issues, you'd know how ignorant that assumption is. He was being bullied because he looked gay, which the article never really qualifies in a meaningful way. But I'll concede the point. It's like telling a girl who's being bullied because she dresses like a tomboy that she should rectify the situation by wearing dresses and makeup. That's appropriate, right? Or is it only alright to tell a gay child being beaten up because people think he looks like a faggot not to look so much like a faggot? | |
Yeah I really do prefer the concept of being able to shoot someone if they enter your home. Srsly, what are you supposed to do if they "don't mean you harm"? Stand there, smiling, waiting for the cops to come along while they take your shit? No... I think that any situation in which you are INVADED it should be assumed the invaders mean you harm. You should be able to fuck them up. I promise you no idiot would ever want to try to steal from me. | |
Err, no. That's a little something called discrimination. Little fuckers known as bullies will find some sort of detail to pick on someone for no matter what. Even if the kid was not dressed in a funny way it wouldn't matter. They'd pick on someone for their hairstyle, the way their nose sits on their face, if they have freckles, etc. | |
This is not at all the situation, Helmholtz. He was given a stun gun by his mother because the school refused to take action against discrimination. Yeah, you can't bring weapons to school but from what I've read he isn't the kind of kid to feck around with deadly weapons just for kicks. A person like this would never bring a gun to school, maybe a hockey stick though to do a bit of head boppin'. | |
And this is why you are pretty much my favorite person on here. | |
Seems I am very late to this discussion and have nothing to add that hasn't been said already. Yes, the kid shouldn't have brought a weapon to school, that is the wrong way to deal with any kind of bullying. All in all, this whole situation has a lot of people to blame and a lot of people trying to avoid blame by blaming other people who may or may not have more blame than they have. All the while, avoiding the biggest--and only real--issue: the fact that a kid felt the need to bring a stun gun to school to deal with bullies. | |
This is how I read it: That's pretty fucked up. It's the principal that should be removed, not the student. This business of students having a looming threat of injury etc shouldn't be happening in the first place. | |
To be frank? I kind of wish I'd thought of this. Then again, it most likely would have reinforced the collective opinion that I was off my rocker. I swear, you make one decision in 7th grade to act a bit off so folks will leave you alone and you spend the next five years wishing you hadn't. | |
Canada. And not even all of the US has the castle doctorine. Some states, for example, recognize the "duty to retreat" standard that applies in general to self defense cases.
Why European? lol In this particular case it was a bunch of cowards. I still haven't seen any evidence they even presented a real threat to him. He pulled a weapon on big mouths. If they were a real threat, then he would have been in real danger by pulling a weapon. | |
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I think that every kid should go to school with taser. It would eliminate all the douche bags after a couple of weeks. Not kill them, just make them shut up. When everyone walks around with the ability to shock you into convulsions, you probably pick your words more carefully and avoid acting like a jerk.
Seriously though, the kid should not be punished for defending himself. No one got hurt from him bringing a taser to school. Well, he prevented himself from being beat up so I guess it stopped someone from being hurt. If anyone deserves punishment it's the school he goes to and the bullies.