What is your least favorite thing about elves?
The fact that they're better than everyone else
4.5% (17)
4.5% (17)
The fact that they ACT like they're better than everyone else
46% (172)
46% (172)
Their love of nature
5.1% (19)
5.1% (19)
Their effeminacy
2.4% (9)
2.4% (9)
Their attractiveness (to girls, usually)
0.8% (3)
0.8% (3)
The fact that they're little more than humans with pointy ears
9.9% (37)
9.9% (37)
All of the above
11.2% (42)
11.2% (42)
Other (comment with your answer)
19.5% (73)
19.5% (73)
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Poll: Why do you hate elves?

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Cos the took over Elswyer so so they can't set the next game there.
Otherwise I like elves. I never liked dwarfs though.

I played an Elf in D&D... who pretty much didn't give a f#@* about any other race but Elves due to personal reasons... so yeah, elitist sort of fits. But, who cares about humans anyway? MEH.

Crazy Zaul:
Cos the took over Elswyer so so they can't set the next game there.
Otherwise I like elves. I never liked dwarfs though.

The Elder Scrolls Online is supposed to include all land "from Elswyer to Skyrim."

At least in WoW, the Blood Elves are depicted as corrupt arcane fiends who use brainwashing against any opposition and fuel their power off of demon magic (At least, before the sun well, but ignore that). It's very anti-elf than usual, but if you go night elves...
Nonetheless, most elves act superior as an 'elder race' and consider humans to be lowlife, and, as a human, I can't take that shit. It's the same reason I despise the Eldar on many levels: they let (any number here) humans die so that one or two of them can live with their pointy ears and silly magics.
I think they're just jealous of the human reproductive capabilities (as they're always in small numbers), that's why they don't wear as much clothes, to attract any willing human for the act.

Chimichanga:
For the uncreative, they are practically the same except that they may be a slightly different color (*COUGHCOUGH"darkelves"COUGHCOUGH*).

Why the hate against Dark Elves? What are you, a white supremacist? :P

Dark elves (and regular elves for that matter) were both a part of classic Norse mythology. Dwarves too, though that was obvious.

To everyone else, the reason that writers choose to use these races is that since they are mythological beings, they are public domain. Tolkien couldn't have copyrighted them because he didn't make them up. He drew them and many other themes from mythologies that few had heard of and synergized them for his modern epic.

Y'know, we've seen Northern and Southern European mythos done to death. I have yet to see one drawing from Asian/Russian/Indian myth. Yes, I know we've seen fantasy anime/manga, but really, most of that is Japanized European fantasy, AKA elves and shit. I want to see one that draws from Asian myth that isn't also written by Japan-fetishists who can't get over the novelty of their own work. Indian and Tibetan myth is a goldmine of ideas, why not dig there now that Europe has all but been mined out?

What do you think, captcha?
"get your goat"
Indeed they do captcha, indeed they do...

I think if they are done right they can be fine. It's not common to do them right though. I can only think of a few that where done right. TES did them I don't want to say right but better then most of course most is like Warcraft. I don't mind Night elves in that game so much they are kind of a cliche but not a horrid cliche. Blood elves in that game are just human under a different name. Dragon Age did it right yeah they where a cliche, but a well done cliche witch is much better then trying different and just screwing up.

Saladfork:
I really hate most elves for a few reasons.

1. They are often used to provide the 'natural' archetypes in a given work (I speak for the trees!), and it has been scientifically proven to be impossible to write environmentalists without being preachy, and I HATE being preached to. This is the same reason why I hate druids.

2. In some works, a certain group (which is, in fantasy, usually elves) is used by the author as an 'ideal society' and uses them as a sort of author insert to present their own views, why they're right, and especially why everybody else is wrong (Paolini's elves are the worst offender of this that comes to mind). This type is apparantly impossible to write as anything but close-minded and arrogant.

There are more, but I can't really articulate them at the moment.

DustyDrB:
I just groan when people go back to the same old same old Dwarves and Elves. Don't people still like to at least try to create new things? Even if the new race is reminiscent in ways to already established ones, we wouldn't be coming in with any baggage associated with them. We'd have that feeling of discovery all over again. I think writers and artists vastly underestimate that feeling.

Something about phrases like "fantasy trope" and "standard fantasy setting" doesn't sit right with me...

I know you probably got quoted on this a gajillion times, but even within those tropes, there is still room for interesting dynamics.

For example, in the latest TES, it comes to light that the High Elves, who are typically full of themselves in the traditional elven sense, turn Elven supremacists... essentially Elven Nazis. It's interesting as this seems to be the logical progression of race that see's all other races as inferior, it's a wonder why every Fantasy trope on elves usually shows them as a race at the end of its time (the Tolkein Elves).

Then we have the battered and broken elves, who are simply desperate to attain some modicum of their former glory. The Witcher series of books and games deal with this, Blood of Elves making a particular note of it and the games making good use of it as part of the political intrigue. The elves are not only on their last legs as a species, but are persecuted and treated as sub-sentient by most human populations (the dominant species). Where Tolkein made them proud and noble, bowing out when their time had come, Sapdowski(?) depicts them as a feral race, clinging desperately to the world however they can even if that means atrocities and straight up murder.

The Dragon Age series also uses Sapdowskis(?) elves, along with a vague nod to Tolkiens elves (the Daelish).

It's harder to pick out an original take for dwarves. The TES series comes to mind again, what with their version being a race of highly advanced, scientifically driven Elves... adding a steampunk vibe to a fantasy setting. Their lore is a bit weak though, seeing as it just amounts to "They were awesome, but sadly TOO awesome to exist, so they disappeared".

People like the Drunken, stout warrior version of Dwarves... they are an underdog race that doesn't turn their nose up on the upstarts (humans) and mingles with them far better then the High and Mighty elves. This makes them easily relatable and therefore easily incorporated into a story.

I don't really hate them, they just feel so over-used, so generic. I can forgive a work for using something generic, if it's still a good work, but it seems elves and bad writing go hand-in-hand.

I don't hate them, but there's just so damn many of them...

Ragsnstitches:
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I know they can play around with the tropes, and even subvert our understanding of them. But I'm saying I want something that feels new. I always like to point out Mass Effect in this regard. All the races were new and unfamiliar. I had no baggage, no baseline understanding. Every conversation with a member of a different race brought this sense of discovery that I haven't experienced in fantasy in...I can't even remember. It was wonderful.

You've never faced an elf deck have you? Turn three, bam you just took so many elven feet to the... Wait this isn't about magic is this?

Well elves are depicted as being pure good while humans are shown as being the bigges dicks in the room and i have a problem with that. I dislike generic fantasy anyways...

I prefer final fantasy tactics a2 races. A bit more diversity and no single race is the biggest asshole in the room.

I don't hate da little pointy eared basterdz, I just like da Orkz betters!!! ORKZ! ORKZ! ORKZ! We is gonna stomp ya good we will!

I love elves, I just think games are doing them wrong. Why do they have to be pompous? Elves could be puckish and cool.

The elves want to destroy our Nordic way of life! Death to the Aldmeri Dominion!

Two choices:
1. I do not hate elves. I only hunt them down because it is a day job that nothing else.
2. They know what they did.

Take your pick.

Blood elves would be my main reason.

Thanks for destroying the horde.

TheVioletBandit:
I love elves, I just think games are doing them wrong. Why do they have to be pompous? Elves could be puckish and cool.

Ugh that's even worse.

Make elves the pathetic bastards they are like in Overlord. That would be the correct way to do them. or make them very short like Santa's elves so we can stomp them.

I dislike them because they're in EVERY FUCKING FANTASY.

pretentious pointy eared pricks...

unless their Dunmer... then their good....

I hate elves because they never return my calls and keep saying that i'm inexperienced.

Ginger768:

TheVioletBandit:
I love elves, I just think games are doing them wrong. Why do they have to be pompous? Elves could be puckish and cool.

Ugh that's even worse.

Make elves the pathetic bastards they are like in Overlord. That would be the correct way to do them. or make them very short like Santa's elves so we can stomp them.

What's wrong with puckish, rouge-like elves that are the equivalent of Han Solo with pointy ears?

i hate elves because everytime i play against an elf deck in MTG i get stomped. i hate elves!

Because they banned the worship of Talos in my homeland!

OT: Mainly the Talos thing. Also, I murdered some elves all Archer-like and then the Jarl of Whiterun (as well as a couple shopkeepers) tried to murder my face, even AFTER I Thaned my way out of the bounty (apparently there was a witness).

Revnak:
Likely the cannibalism and how they try to force my dorfy brethren to limit their use of vital tree resources (i.e. burning them with lava, because what else would you expect to happen).

kortin:
I like elves. They're pro-mode at archery.

I hate gnomes/dwarves.

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DustyDrB:

EmperorSubcutaneous:

People who hate just elves (and things that might resemble elves from some angle) outnumber people who hate just dwarves. I'd like to find out why.

Well I do prefer Dwarves over Elves, so I can comment.

When I think of Dwarves, I think:
-Hard-working
-Tough
-Brutal, often to a fault
-Resourceful
-Brave
-Drunks

When I think of Elves, I think:
-Androgynous
-Frail
-Pompous
-One with nature
-Mysterious
-Highly-educated

-Highly-educated?

Dwarves are more blue-collar and easy to relate to for most people. They resemble your drinking buddies, though maybe with a much more extreme temper. They appear to make the best with what they have.

Elves are an odd sort of elitist. They come across as Hippie-Poet-Philosophers, but with the worst qualities of each of those. Even their sense of mystery is less intriguing because it feels like they only have it because they are in the club and you are not.

sorry but i have to disagree with Highly-educated.
1) they have a higher lifespan. thats like being 5 years in a class on high school. if you dont become an expert during that time in that class that someting must be wrong with you.

2) besides speaking elvish i have yet to see a skill determined solely to elves which is based on intelligence. and being good with a bow comes from a lot of training. and they have plenty of time to do so.

3) dwarves use their mind and imagination to overcome/compensate their bodily limits.
your arms are to short to draw a bow? discover explosives and invent guns.
you are too weak to carry things? invent machines to do the work.
your legs are too short to run away? discover metallurgy, get some mithril armour and weapons.
doesnt change that you have short legs to outrun shit? invent helicopters and smiley faced hand grenades.

elves still use the bow and live in trees or caves.
but they are sexy and they can use some magic.
they always are the better race in their opinion.

I voted other, because well, I don't hate them. They can be just a tad overdone in fantasy literature, movies and games, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have a place there at all either. Look at the Witcher series or Dragon Age: Origins to see what can be done with elves with only a small twist.

rhizhim:

Revnak:
Likely the cannibalism and how they try to force my dorfy brethren to limit their use of vital tree resources (i.e. burning them with lava, because what else would you expect to happen).

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Oh I am totally pro. I am the proest of pro. I'm so pro I skipped three grades in pro school. There are only three grades in pro school. They just didn't know what to do with my level of proness.

Because they are painfully overused.

My reason? they are just so... poncey

they frolic in the trees, and hate it when anyone else tries Diggy Diggy Hole. They practice magic, when shooting stuff with GUNS is far better. blah blah elvessuck blah

Also, they killed Lydia.

TheVioletBandit:

Ginger768:

TheVioletBandit:
I love elves, I just think games are doing them wrong. Why do they have to be pompous? Elves could be puckish and cool.

Ugh that's even worse.

Make elves the pathetic bastards they are like in Overlord. That would be the correct way to do them. or make them very short like Santa's elves so we can stomp them.

What's wrong with puckish, rouge-like elves that are the equivalent of Han Solo with pointy ears?

they would not end up like han solo.
they would be annoying like jar jar.

My general interpretation of an elf is: age-immortal, beautiful and generally gentle (or well reasoned in their actions)
I don't hate those elves, but I often hate the context that they're in.

Usually they're a dying race, and they are frequently killed / tortured,
this usually leaves me feeling sad, in the same way one might feel sad watching an ancient work or art being desecrated / destroyed.

I'm going to list different races of Elves and what I dislike about them:

Kaldorei:
The Night Elves of Azeroth have always preached of peace and love like the hippies they are, but won't hesitate to murder the hell out of anybody different than them. Also their banning of magic was completely stupid, despite the reason why.

Sin'Dorei:
The effeminate males and overtly luxurious lifestyle, combined with the unspeakable things they've done in the past, irritates me. It's really the men I don't like because of their self-obsessed nature, and while the women are mostly the same, they come off as much stronger and focused.

Aldmeri Dominion:
Self-worshipping, arrogant, genocidal bastards who either kill or conquer anybody different than themselves, thinking themselves superior, doing unspeakable things to get what they want and continuing to do so through fear, oppression and self-importance. There's nothing good about these people.
Hunting them is the most fun I've had in Skyrim, especially when I see a group walking along and I can hide and shoot all three before they see me.
Meanwhile in Tamriel, I don't have a problem at all with Wood or Dark elves.
But, the Snow Elves in Skyrim - I hate the Falmer. I hunt them like animals - they kidnap people and feed them to their giant bug monsters. Genocidal hate, kill 'em all.

rhizhim:

TheVioletBandit:

Ginger768:

Ugh that's even worse.

Make elves the pathetic bastards they are like in Overlord. That would be the correct way to do them. or make them very short like Santa's elves so we can stomp them.

What's wrong with puckish, rouge-like elves that are the equivalent of Han Solo with pointy ears?

they would not end up like han solo.
they would be annoying like jar jar.

If done the way I envision it being done they would be nothing like jar jar. More like the motley crew of the serenity.

erttheking:
Because they outlaw the worship of Talos.

Red Guard please!

OT:Overall,they are quite snobby.And arrogant....and condescending,and....

I like elves. But then, I actually am an intelligent hippy environmentalist with maybe just a little arrogance. So I can relate to them (the tropey version of them at least, elder scrolls not so much) better than I can relate to dwarves.

Oh yeah, now that I think of it a little longer....each and every bosmer you ever talk to in the elder scrolls games before skyrim. (and high elves in skyrim)

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