What is your least favorite thing about elves?
The fact that they're better than everyone else
4.5% (17)
4.5% (17)
The fact that they ACT like they're better than everyone else
46% (172)
46% (172)
Their love of nature
5.1% (19)
5.1% (19)
Their effeminacy
2.4% (9)
2.4% (9)
Their attractiveness (to girls, usually)
0.8% (3)
0.8% (3)
The fact that they're little more than humans with pointy ears
9.9% (37)
9.9% (37)
All of the above
11.2% (42)
11.2% (42)
Other (comment with your answer)
19.5% (73)
19.5% (73)
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Poll: Why do you hate elves?

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I don't really hate elves, but I suppose that's because I haven't had much interaction with their trope outside of Lord of the Rings and Warcraft III/Frozen Throne, both of which have neutral to good characterization of the species and their conflicts/culture/whatever.

Because ten thousand elves couldn't hold up one candle to a Slayer like Gotrek.

1) The fact that they're better than everyone else
Elves are the most Mary Sue race - they're pretty, immortal humans with pointy ears and they're all unimaginably pure and wise and stuff, and agile, and superhuman with no interesting downsides. Oh and of course they're the best archers and when they fall in love with a human it's not creepy, it's tragic because the Elf lives so much longer and will be all sad because the human doesn't live very long.

2) The fact that they ACT like they're better than everyone else
If there's one thing I hate more than a Mary Sue race it's one that won't shut up about it. It's always "we're the wisest", "you short lived foolish humans couldn't possibly understand how much better we are at everything" and "your sinful nature is driving us out of middle Earth because I guess you ruin everything". might be more tolerable if writers ever allowed them to be wrong for once.

3) Their love of nature
This isn't such a big deal, it's more that they're always "in tune" with nature and have a "special connection" to it nobody else does. Other than that a bunch of tree people are kind of cool as a concept.

4) Their effeminacy
It's a stylistic thing, I don't begrudge it. The fact they look so human is worse. I mean, at the very least it's a slight, insignificant downside to being an elf, which is needed.

5) Their attractiveness (to girls, usually)
Yeah, the fact Elves always look like much prettier versions of humans bugs me, because it gets back to the "Mary Sue race" thing. You never see old or fat or bearded elves nor do they ever have scars - it's more than a little implausible.

6) The fact that they're little more than humans with pointy ears
So much. Of all the races you can have in fantasy, the standard is "normal human", "short human" and "pretty human". It's stupidly boring and as a concept makes no sense - why are their ears pointy? why are they so human? Why did they get all the good genetics if they're so obviously related to our species?

Which is why I picked 7) All of the above

Would be helpful to have "Which setting(s) is this post based on?", because while there's a core set of traits copy-pasted from LotR, they apply in different levels to different settings. For instance, I'm assuming none of us are talking about Santa's Christmas toy-making elves?

For me, it's not that I hate them - I'll typically make one if given the choice in a game like DA:O, but they're a little overdone, just like Dwarves/Dwarfs.

Thistlehart:
Because no one has done elves right since Terry Pratchett in Lords and Ladies and The Wee Free Men. Elves are evil, vicious, cunning, and cruel. Anything so "superior" cannot and will not treat lesser creatures with compassion. They will play with them, manipulate them, and possibly eat them. All other elves are fake.

This. Lords and Ladies made the elves incredibly terrifying, all the while explaining why humans idolize them.

The same reason I don't like the Na'vi or any other "superior" race. It's not exactly the fact that they're usually "better" than most other races(e.g. wise, long-lived, always fair, in tune with nature, etc.), that can make for interesting story-telling when used well. What bothers me is when that race is put on a pedestal and we're essentially told "This is perfection. Everything associated with this race is good while everything not this is at best flawed, if not downright evil."

Because they're holier than thou stuck up pretentious, arrogant, stuck up, effeminate little bastards. They're all, "Oh, look how superior we are, you stupid other races."

I always like dwarves, the antithesis of an elf.

I just find them kinda tacky, to be honest. At least Dwarves are stout and tend to be party-animals. Elves in most mythos seem so...stuck up. And they're major hippies.

I don't hate them, I love them. Mainly because they're better than humans.

DustyDrB:

Ragsnstitches:
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I know they can play around with the tropes, and even subvert our understanding of them. But I'm saying I want something that feels new. I always like to point out Mass Effect in this regard. All the races were new and unfamiliar. I had no baggage, no baseline understanding. Every conversation with a member of a different race brought this sense of discovery that I haven't experienced in fantasy in...I can't even remember. It was wonderful.

I think it's funny, because a lot of people consider asari (and quarians to a lesser extent) to be "space elves."

I don't like elves for the same reason I don't like "high fantasy" in general. They're just boring and look stupid.

Santa's elves are okay, though. Or at least they were, until I realized my job was like the modern equivalent of them.

I've always been a Dwarves fan personally, if a book I'm reading has elves in it and something unexplainable is happening I will always blame the elves. Damn pointy ears are always up to something.

Because they're boring fantasy tropes and don't make much sense in their own contexts, largely.

Also, what's wrong with them being effeminate? Also... how exactly ARE they effeminate?

Mad Sun:

Chimichanga:
For the uncreative, they are practically the same except that they may be a slightly different color (*COUGHCOUGH"darkelves"COUGHCOUGH*).

Why the hate against Dark Elves? What are you, a white supremacist? :P

Dark elves (and regular elves for that matter) were both a part of classic Norse mythology. Dwarves too, though that was obvious.

Huh - well the more you know. I always assumed they just started with Tolkien since that's what most elf archetypes seem to be based on.

And the latter parts of your post, I agree with - I'd also like to see more african/indian/middle eastern mythology thrown into the fantasy mix since some of their stuff really is kind of cool and "out there". Shame no one seems to want to implement any of it.

I hate traditional elves and dwarves because everyone seems to copy and paste them from either Dungeons&Dragons or Lord of the Rings. Elves are nature-loving, holier-than-thou, and just boring. Dwarves need to get out of their mines and do something else for a change. And elves need to get out of the forest and make computers or something.

EmperorSubcutaneous:
You'll notice that one option that isn't on the poll is "because they show up everywhere all the time and I'm sick of them." There isn't the same level of hate directed toward dwarves, who are just as ubiquitous. I'd like to know why it's elves, specifically, that make people mad.

Its because elves are everywhere and they are pansy ass little bitches who dont know when to shut the fuck up. Its mostly just the male elves that I dislike. They just look like pompus assholes who need to have their teeth smashed in.

Dwarves are everywhere but they are totally badass and relatable. I like drinking and brawling, they like drinking and brawling.

That aura of grace and superiority. So fucking irritating. For this reason, the elves that lack this aura (Zevran, Iorveth etc) are quite alright by me. Actually, the same thing would irritate me in a human (or any other race) as well.

I dislike how they have ridiculously long life spans and always seem to always have super human abilities despite being little more than humans with pointy ears.Some of their skill seems to come from training for a very long time thanks to their lifespans but some of the shit they pull off is just sometimes outright ridiculous.Though ive never met an elf so I cant really be too sure.

Zakarath:
I like elves. But then, I actually am an intelligent hippy environmentalist with maybe just a little arrogance. So I can relate to them (the tropey version of them at least, elder scrolls not so much) better than I can relate to dwarves.

I am basically the same way, plus I cannot stand alcohol and I am not insecure about my masculinty (whatever that is) like the vast majority of males. I guess many men do not like effeminate men for they unconsciously know that most women prefer them (studies have shown that women tend to prefer the more effeminate men for they believe that those men will be more likely to help them with chores and be better care givers).

Elves seems to be the Mary-Sue of the fantasy world. I find it hard to relate to characters who are too perfect. There also seems to be lack in conflict when it comes to elves. The most popular strife they have is being depressed over the fact that they are old and dying out... for some (usually) stupid reason(like "fate" and such).

On the other hand, I rarely have problems with Wood or Wild elves. They are usually portrayed as primitive, dimwitted and (sometimes) na´ve, and I can relate to that.

People hate elves?
I did not know that.

I love elves. Elf-guys tend to be hot. I romanced the hell out of Fenris. :)

They're offensively over-used and under-dressed.

OFFENSIVVVEEEELLLLLYY

Because they're over-used, badly used and are the most likely of the traditional fantasy races to get mary-sue treatment.

Because Orcs are simply better.

I like elves. I tend to have more of them in Dragon Age: Origins than anything else.
Granted, in DA:O, they're basically the lowest class in Ferelden and everyone treats them like shit, hahahaha.

erttheking:
Because they outlaw the worship of Talos.

This. Sons of Skyrim unite. Fucking Thalmor

I guess many men do not like effeminate men for they unconsciously know that most women prefer them (studies have shown that women tend to prefer the more effeminate men for they believe that those men will be more likely to help them with chores and be better care givers).

lol. the guys in your region in the world must be hideous than. I don't know who did this study, but in practice thats bull. I can drink beer, barely come home and be generally ignorant but as long a I act like a man I'm gonna find a woman to be with. If your effeminate your more likely to be friend-zoned. Not saying I am a beer swilling ignoramus but In my experience it never hurts. I also find a tan goes miles. totally off topic. sorry everyone!

Also sorry for the double post.

I'm so getting flamed

I kinda like them, to be hones

gigastrike:

Crazy Zaul:
Cos the took over Elswyer so so they can't set the next game there.
Otherwise I like elves. I never liked dwarfs though.

The Elder Scrolls Online is supposed to include all land "from Elswyer to Skyrim."

I think he meant a proper elder scrolls game made by the elder scroll team. not the obvious milking attempt by zenimax

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