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Poll: The Mutant registration act/Superhuman Registration Act

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After seeing the absolute devastation shown in The Avengers, I started really thinking about superheroes and the Registration Acts that have been used in the past as either points of long term conflict (The Mutant Registration act in the X-Men comics and their spin-offs), or the catalyst for a violent, world altering conflict as with the Superhuman Registration Act and subsequent Civil War arc. I find myself with a dilemma of sorts, do I support the superheroes who fight the good fight, keeping the streets safe from the super villains who would like nothing more than to do their evil deeds unrestricted, but in the process can cause massive amounts of destruction, and generally act above the law.

So what do you think, would you support these efforts or would the good that Superheroes do be enough to let them do their own thing without restrictions.

That all depends, just what kind of superhuman registration act are we talking about? The mutant registration act carried out by racists that would likely lead to all kinds of fucked up, the kind of fucked up act pushed by Iron Man, the very fucked up efforts of the Iron Patriot, there's just so many options that can be fucked up for so many different reasons. Even then, it all depends on the universe. In a largely logical one, this is honestly the only way to keep the heroes from messing up big time and to protect them and the people from each other. In the Marvel universe, this can only lead to bad things. Too many options.

If there was a guy out there who could create a supernova with just his body, I'd probably want someone keeping tabs on him.

DustyDrB:
If there was a guy out there who could create a supernova with just his body, I'd probably want someone keeping tabs on him.

Somehow I just don't think it would be too hard to keep track of someone like that, registration act or no registration act.

Has anyone read "The Boys"?

Someone needs to be keeping tabs on these guys. I love me some superhero comics but if they were in the "real" world, I would totally want them monitored. Most of them a various flavors of psychotic. If you are going to be superheroing, you would need to register and go through mandatory training so as to reduce the collateral damage.

Well I hate Xmen so I feel biased....

Totally would not support it.
But if implemented the right way it would be fine. Just add it on the birth certificate or on the passport detailing their "power". No need to round people up like cattle, get a blood sample. Then put a tracker on them so you can know where they are 24/7.
You can't just say "they COULD be dangerous so we should totally act as if they are" that reasoning could very well start a war, all due to people misunderstanding and fearing something that hasn't happened.

Keoul:
"they COULD be dangerous so we should totally act as if they are" that reasoning could very well start a war, all due to people misunderstanding and fearing something that hasn't happened.

The issue arises because the second someone has a power it instantly stops us from being able to police ourselves. Theres no way regular policemen can deal with super strength or magic or ultra healing ect. It means we need to be protected by other mutants. Now at this point we have mutants protecting us from mutants and we suddenly have zero power over our own destiny other than to cower and shit ourselves until they save our tiny asses. Because if mutations are genetic then eventually some asshole will get some awesome power and hell rip shit apart.

Its not so much we assume they are ALL bad. We KNOW that eventually ONE will be bad and have power over us like we do over ants so we take precautions. Not rounding them up of course. Thats terrible. But at least we can know who and what can do what so we know what to expect worse case scenario.

Huh, the registration act reminds me of DRM.

The only ones that would "suffer" from it would be the honest guys.

If a person was going to use his powers for evil, he sure as hell wouldnt go around registering himself with the government. This is a stupid law under any circumstances and I would not support it.

Sure the destruction wreaked in super-battles are big, but imagine if the Avengers DIDNT stop Lokis army from invading...the destruction would be on a global, instead of a local scale.

If People who own cars or firearms have to register themselves the guy with the power to boil you alive with a thought probably should too.

Definitely not. You cultivate an environment where mutants are accepted & taught how to control their powers. Any bad use is investigated, and if it wasn't deliberate then they're given a free pass. There isn't anything different between mutants and humans in terms of what rights they should be given.

Also, we had this topic quite recently

Aeshi:
If People who own cars or firearms have to register themselves the guy with the power to boil you alive with a thought probably should too.

This, 100 times this. As a third degree black belt I'm legally required to check in at my local police station if I move house, as officially I'm a deadly weapon. I usually also check in once every few months to assure them I haven't gotten into any trouble lately.
My fingerprints and DNA on are on file as well, even though I've only commited one assault 8 years ago. Defending myself mind, but the judge felt I went a little over board.
So if I have to, they have too.

Aeshi:
If People who own cars or firearms have to register themselves the guy with the power to boil you alive with a thought probably should too.

Spot on. Using superpowers is a privilege, not a right.

Well, I would not like to have an open registry like the sex offender thing in USA, I kinda don't want that to be open either. However:

Aeshi:
If People who own cars or firearms have to register themselves the guy with the power to boil you alive with a thought probably should too.

This post shows exactly why we need to have some sort of registry on them. They should be supported by any other law that applies to us regular human beings, but they should also have to be held accountable for those laws too.

Also to look into the world of X-men and application of this. In the parts of the series where no-one knows about the mutants, friendly nor dangerous there's a hidden war going on. When it becomes known they want all mutants taken care of. If it had been more open they could have established a much more effective system for combating the dangerous mutants.

The ones who need to be registered (the ones who would use it for evil) won't sign up (obviously) and the others (those who don't use their powers or use them for good) don't need to be monitored that closely.

Sure they need to be monitored just in case, but no more than any other children or adults. And the superheroes who are actively helping you? Most of them the gov knows exactly where they are, like the Avengers who, y'know, work directly under government control most of the time?

BiscuitTrouser:

Keoul:
"they COULD be dangerous so we should totally act as if they are" that reasoning could very well start a war, all due to people misunderstanding and fearing something that hasn't happened.

The issue arises because the second someone has a power it instantly stops us from being able to police ourselves. Theres no way regular policemen can deal with super strength or magic or ultra healing ect. It means we need to be protected by other mutants. Now at this point we have mutants protecting us from mutants and we suddenly have zero power over our own destiny other than to cower and shit ourselves until they save our tiny asses. Because if mutations are genetic then eventually some asshole will get some awesome power and hell rip shit apart.

Its not so much we assume they are ALL bad. We KNOW that eventually ONE will be bad and have power over us like we do over ants so we take precautions. Not rounding them up of course. Thats terrible. But at least we can know who and what can do what so we know what to expect worse case scenario.

That would only hold water if we had any policing of our own protectors.

Considering police in the US can do damn-near whatever they want...

I don't see how making mutants into police to protect against both evil mutants and evil people would make things any worse.

Registration or no, some mutants/humans will be evil and some will be good, and some that we hire to protect us will turn evil.

No one should have to register just because they have an ability. I wouldn't support a mutant/superhuman registration act any more than I would support a martial artist registration act, or a chemist/explosive expert registration act. The fact is, that some people will always have abilities that give them the choice of wreaking mass destruction, that doesn't mean that they will, and that definitely doesn't mean they should be treated as though they might.

spartan231490:
No one should have to register just because they have an ability. I wouldn't support a mutant/superhuman registration act any more than I would support a martial artist registration act, or a chemist/explosive expert registration act. The fact is, that some people will always have abilities that give them the choice of wreaking mass destruction, that doesn't mean that they will, and that definitely doesn't mean they should be treated as though they might.

Most, in fact i would hope ALL, chemical explosive experts have a government approved degree, which means the government knows about them. That's pretty close to a registry when you think about it. If there was an explosion involving the experts specialty close to his home you can bet the police would be knocking on his door pretty quick.
Also the companies the experts work for have permits to use those explosives AND an employment registry of the people qualified and authorized to use them. The permits coming from the government usually.

imperialwar:

Aeshi:
If People who own cars or firearms have to register themselves the guy with the power to boil you alive with a thought probably should too.

This, 100 times this. As a third degree black belt I'm legally required to check in at my local police station if I move house, as officially I'm a deadly weapon. I usually also check in once every few months to assure them I haven't gotten into any trouble lately.
My fingerprints and DNA on are on file as well, even though I've only commited one assault 8 years ago. Defending myself mind, but the judge felt I went a little over board.
So if I have to, they have too.

This, yet again. I know the mutants themselves can't help having superpowers, but really? We register firearms, cars and sex offenders, so why not people who can turn you into paste by looking at you hard?

Da Orky Man:

imperialwar:

Aeshi:
If People who own cars or firearms have to register themselves the guy with the power to boil you alive with a thought probably should too.

This, 100 times this. As a third degree black belt I'm legally required to check in at my local police station if I move house, as officially I'm a deadly weapon. I usually also check in once every few months to assure them I haven't gotten into any trouble lately.
My fingerprints and DNA on are on file as well, even though I've only commited one assault 8 years ago. Defending myself mind, but the judge felt I went a little over board.
So if I have to, they have too.

This, yet again. I know the mutants themselves can't help having superpowers, but really? We register firearms, cars and sex offenders, so why not people who can turn you into paste by looking at you hard?

I've trained to the point that every I do is an autonomic reflexive response, technically I can't help it either. It's not something I can really switch off. Swing at me and I almost guarantee you'll be on the floor before you know what happened. Almost a vertical teleporting ability :P

I wouldn't, simply because of people like Magneto who would fly off the handle and kill normal people because of it.
Plus, do we actually know WHY that official wants mutants to be registered? Yes, they might want to know who's accidentally wrecking buildings.
Or they might want to cull all mutants/superhumans.

Esotera:
Definitely not. You cultivate an environment where mutants are accepted & taught how to control their powers.

Exactly. In the X-Men films, it's Xavier's school. Very simple.

Yeah that battle caused a lot of damage, but this is a superhero universe where stuff like this happens all the time. Marvel has an agency designed to clean up messes like this called Damage Inc. In the DC universe, that tends to be handled by Wayne Industries.

Would not support an MRA/SHRA because it will cause too much harm for the hero's families. Secret identities serve a purpose. You would not want your villains to come to your front door to take revenge on your relations. Civil War proves that if you reveal you secret identity to the world, your aunt will get shot and the only way to fix it is to make a deal with the devil that will cost you your 25 year marriage in the bargain.

I would, however, support a Stormwatch like group. Not the New 52 version, which seems to think that keep the Earth around is more important than protecting the people on it. Instead, the original version whose job it is to come up with contingencies to counteract heroes and villains should they get out of hand. That would be a better use of my tax payer dollars.

imperialwar:

spartan231490:
No one should have to register just because they have an ability. I wouldn't support a mutant/superhuman registration act any more than I would support a martial artist registration act, or a chemist/explosive expert registration act. The fact is, that some people will always have abilities that give them the choice of wreaking mass destruction, that doesn't mean that they will, and that definitely doesn't mean they should be treated as though they might.

Most, in fact i would hope ALL, chemical explosive experts have a government approved degree, which means the government knows about them. That's pretty close to a registry when you think about it. If there was an explosion involving the experts specialty close to his home you can bet the police would be knocking on his door pretty quick.
Also the companies the experts work for have permits to use those explosives AND an employment registry of the people qualified and authorized to use them. The permits coming from the government usually.

You'd be surprised. Maybe all chemical explosive "experts" have a government approved degree, but you would be surprised by the number of people with absolutely no background in college chemistry who are capable of making things like thermite, napalm, gunpowder, ect. Probably even C4. Chemistry is actually really simple, and the ingredients for a lot of this stuff are very easy to get. If a homemade bomb went off, I would bet good money that more than half of the people capable of making it wouldn't show up on any government list. Certainly, if a commercial device went off, the list of people with access to it would be very short, but most of this stuff can be made at home very easily.

If super powered mutants actually inhabited our world I don't think they would live long enough to even get registered.

It's not like we could put them in jail or under heavy guard if they decide to break the law. The horrible truth is that we would probably kill them before they gain the capacity to cause massive amounts of death and destruction.

And would you have the supervillains registered as well? There's about 20 of them for every superhero. In a world where your only chance is to plead for mercy from an ungodly monster that can pull you in half just by looking at you, forcing the only people that can possibly help you to essentially be the government's pet dogs is not a good idea.

Issues of apartheid-like segregation aside.

It depends on the form of registration, really. Lets use the Superhuman Registration Act as an example. It varied from book to book between "all supers need to be registered", "all supers need to be properly trained by the government" "all supers are drafted into the military without the ability to opt out", and a few other versions. I can agree with the first and second because the abilities these people have make a lot of them seriously dangerous. I'd prefer if the registration was a sort of secret list (high level clearance necessary to view it), so that the heroes that want to protect themselves and their loved ones from attack (supervillian or otherwise), but still wanted to be on the right side of the law could do both. But that type of secret would be impossible to keep for long. As for the superhero draft, that is a whole other problem. They are still people and didn't choose to get the powers they have, so I don't think they should be forced to be an army for anyone. I don't want the tech based superheroes drafted either, but they at least had a say in getting their powers.

I know that the mutant registration act usually gets the "it's the first step towards genocide" response, but a ton of mutants are literally living weapons that put guns to shame with how much damage they can do. So registering them seems pretty reasonable.

Of course, these registries should also list all tech based superheroes because they are just as large of a threat as people who were born with superpowers, and there isn't really that much practical difference between if the superpowers are natural or artificial.

I don't think the argument is relevant - superheroes are vigilantes who operate outside the law. "Registering" them as opposed to deputizing them under police jurisdiction would be a pointless effort, like calling for all software pirates to register themselves.

Aeshi:
If People who own cars or firearms have to register themselves the guy with the power to boil you alive with a thought probably should too.

Well, if we look it in the way it was done in comics / cartoon I see a good reason to be against it: Those registartion facilities were run by Nazi-esque assholes who just wanted a "to kill" list.

But if it is a proper handled institotion: Yeah, basically what you wrote.

Edit: The poll needs a "Depends: elaborate" option.

I'd rather not let everyone know my power, keeps it a surprise see.

MelasZepheos:
The ones who need to be registered (the ones who would use it for evil) won't sign up (obviously) and the others (those who don't use their powers or use them for good) don't need to be monitored that closely.

Sure they need to be monitored just in case, but no more than any other children or adults. And the superheroes who are actively helping you? Most of them the gov knows exactly where they are, like the Avengers who, y'know, work directly under government control most of the time?

you misunderstand they aren't doing anything other than keeping tabs on people with powers, if you choose to use said powers, than you need to be trained.

Which is quite reasonable, they even pay them.

Esotera:
Definitely not. You cultivate an environment where mutants are accepted & taught how to control their powers. Any bad use is investigated, and if it wasn't deliberate then they're given a free pass. There isn't anything different between mutants and humans in terms of what rights they should be given.

Also, we had this topic quite recently

there is a kid who has the habit of randomly killing anyone near him.

He wants to go for a walk in the local shopping center.

A character like Rogue get's knocked unconscious, I go to check her pulse...

There is a mutant who is able to alter reality to his dreams. There is no way to control it. What happens if he dreams of a zombie uprising.

This idea of the "honest" ones is sort of interesting but looks at morality from a comic book stand point. If you apply comic book powers to the real world you end up with something more like "Watchmen" then you do the family friendly versions of any Superman franchise.

Now if you want to argue that they might resist registration, that I can agree with. But people resist gun registration. That doesn't mean it should be banned. Dangerous people are dangerous.

This does bring up the specter of Japanese interment camps, but, while I would probably support the registration act, I would not if it included something like this. That is just a recipe to create a but of jaded, angry people with eyeball lasers. But making people go to a Xavier style school to learn to control their powers would be smart.

While I think the damage in Avengers was unavoidable, or more to the fact that if the heroes weren't there the invading army would have broken more buildings and bodies than the heroes, just think back to many other fight scenes in comics, especially the one on ones. How many times have you seen Superman throw someone through a building? If it weren't drawn in a mostly sanitized environment, how many people do you think he has killed while flinging people around? Pre-the new 52, the big blue boy scout was oh-so very helpful, but if you go back to his first comics, he is really an uncaring, over zealous dick.

malestrithe:
Civil War proves that if you reveal you secret identity to the world, your aunt will get shot and the only way to fix it is to make a deal with the devil that will cost you your 25 year marriage in the bargain.

I love you. I laughed so hard for 5mins that I almost through up, congratulations.
Though I do completely disagree with your point.

TheKasp:

Aeshi:
If People who own cars or firearms have to register themselves the guy with the power to boil you alive with a thought probably should too.

Well, if we look it in the way it was done in comics / cartoon I see a good reason to be against it: Those registartion facilities were run by Nazi-esque assholes who just wanted a "to kill" list.

But if it is a proper handled institotion: Yeah, basically what you wrote.

This is how i see this whole thing and infact I dont think people will be as evil as everyones saying.
Fact is just like any type of racism it's going to take time to heal but most mutants will see the point in registering.
The others will be fine because if they see the mutant who do register are being treated fairly, given schools like the x-men one and special rights for their and others saftey it will only be some time before they see the point to.
I don't even think it would be a regestery thing might just be a medical record or something.
But all in all it just has to be known for if someone holds up a bank with heat vision and thus abuses their power the authorities need to know.

I would be entirely in favour of a superhero registration act and putting masses of reasearch into being able to put down superhumans if needs be. I mean, think about it, who do superheros answer to? What is to stop them deciding that we are unfit to rule ourselves? What happens if superman has a pychotic break?

Superhumans are pretty much a dictatorial wet dream in that it is the strongest immediatly enforcing their will upon society. They decide what it right and wrong and we cannot do anything to stop them.

And note that they very rarely seek to fix anything through the proper channels, spider man does not try to become a fireman, superman does not want to be a cop. That is because while they do care about what they think is right, they care more about being seen to be the one who doing the good. These are not stable people.

So I say, register all superhumans at birth, afford them all human rights and allow them pursue careers for the greater good if they wish. Then, if there is anyone, anyone at all shooting laser eyes down station street without authorisation, put them down.

overpuce:

DustyDrB:
If there was a guy out there who could create a supernova with just his body, I'd probably want someone keeping tabs on him.

Somehow I just don't think it would be too hard to keep track of someone like that, registration act or no registration act.

The key is to know what he's up to BEFORE a city gets vaporized. :P

As for me, yeah, I'd want super people registered. I'm not saying lock them down in a federal bureaucracy that demands 700 pages filled out in triplicate before you can go out and stop a bank robbery, but knowing who is who, who can do what, and where these guys are located isn't that invasive.

Sentient Captcha Strikes Again!
"Know Your Rights"
:P

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