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Given that particular comment, trying to explain what makes something like Watchmen enjoyable is kind of waste of time. Wish I could be more help but I dont think its worth the time, personally my only response was this: | |
Or, or, or, you could just put the stick down and leave it the hell alone. Not liking watchmen is allowed, and he's sure as shit not going to rewatch it for you to prove any points you want to make. What you could do, is maybe present a more balanced view, maybe using actual quotes. Or, or, stick. Down. Alone. | |
Has your friend read the Watchmen comics? | |
Nope. And he's berating me for hating on Twilight while I didn't watch/read that. | |
Did the person watch Twilight? I mean "watch", not masturbate whenever Edward started looking gloomingly. Because this is about 70% of all 4 movies. This movies are not only 50% filler (montages, long drawn scenes, nonsensical dialogue), the third movie is filler. 90% of movie 4 is filler. Because they tore a nonsubstential book apart in 2 movies. Why? Not because, like in Harry Potter, there is enough content to justify two movies, it was done just because Harry Potter did it. I watched them all. Multiple times. This movies have no characters. No emotion. It is just fantasy-porn for hours. I own porno movies with more character establishment and development than Twilight has. | |
Ha ha ha, oh, wow. I'm not even particularly a fan of Watchmen, but I can't imagine he's actually read it if he's saying things like that about the characters. Calling Twilight shallow is almost giving it too much credit. Also, Meyer's priorities and ethics seem a bit skewed (but I'm gonna leave it at that). | |
Arguably apart from Rorschach and the d-bag behind it all he's correct. At they very least they're equivalent. Of course, those two characters are what make the comic and removing them would be like removing Sherlock Holmes and Moriarty from Doyle's stories. Also, show him Sparkledammerung, that should shut him up. | |
We wouldn't want people to have their own opinion now would we? | |
I was going to say something like this. I've read and watched all the twilight series, and it really is filled with nonsense and filler, there are no real characters, Bella is an empty vessel for other teenage girls to fill with themselves and fantasise. There is no emotion! Look at their eyes during the films, there is nothing there at all! The action scenes are shoddy and just look ridiculous. The entire plot of the 4th book is ridiculous and there was no point at all in splitting the last movie into 2, the first part was crap, filled with montages, pointless, pointless montages. Twilight also seems to be sending a bad message, look at the second one, Edward leaves and she lays there in the woods for hours, then she stays in her room for months and does nothing, loses all her friends and family. I could rant about Twilight for hours. At the request of friends, I even read them all again and pulled out lists of quotes where the sentence does not make sense or are strange for a teenage girl to say, or just strange in general, such as "The estrogen rush was invigorating", the lists are very long. Well, your friend is allowed his opinion, however odd it may seem to others. | |
If I was about 40 years older I may have had a heart attack, thanks. | |
I've never read/watched a Twilight story, so I can't compare the two. However, the characters in Watchmen (both the comic and the movie) were pretty uninspired. That one guy with the mask and and trenchcoat had his moments, but otherwise... meh. | |
I'm of the opinion that Watchmen is overrated, but it's not "worse than Twilight" overrated. | |
I like how my little sister put it: That's all I know about Twilight, haven't seen it myself. | |
Can't explain the color red to a blind person. | |
I'm not too sure if you're here to express your opinion or troll the forum (possibly to get views). Twilight isn't very popular here, and Watchmen is a much more "in depth" movie I think than Twilight. While the characters aren't too in-depth and deep, they at least have emotions, and things make sense (atleast in a comic book world). | |
When I read the title I clicked the thread because, even though I personally feel differently, it's a pretty bold claim that I thought would be backed up by an interesting argument. It wasn't :( Has your friend considered that all the characters talking isn't just for sake of filling out the movie, but rather to add depth to the characters? Maybe if he actually paid attention he would find something there. Not that Watchmen has super deep characters, but enough so that it's worth defending from claims that they're shallower than Twilight. | |
I felt the characters in both films sucked balls, with the exception of Rorschach in Watchmen. However I did only watch the first Twilight film. For all I know the characterisation may improve to bring the Twilight characters up above those in Watchmen, I cant say. | |
You need a new friend. Or, if you're attached to him for some reason, you could explain that Watchmen is an attempt at giving the all powerful golden age superheroes human characteristics. But, at the same time, all of the Watchmen characters are parodies of 2-Dimensional characters Their personalities are basically what Moore thought they would be if characters like Batman were real. Follow that up by saying that the Twilight characters are more generic and cliché than any other attempt at turning an idiots wet dream into literature. Or any other teen movie. | |
Well it sort of depends. If your friend is comparing the Twilight characters to the comic characters, then yeah they're pretty much off the ball on that one. If they're comparing it to the movie characters though, they may have something there. The movie wasn't very good (some extremely well made and beautiful scenes, but the rest is sort of balls), and the characters weren't helping. In the movie they did seem somewhat shallow and one-dimensional, and I really didn't find myself identifying with or sympathizing with them. I'm not sure if they are necessarily Twilight bad (saw the first movie only, not sure if they get better or worse throughout), but I can understand calling the movie characters shallow and uninteresting. | |
Someone who thinks that is beyond saving. Don't even bother. | |
^ I lol'd. You did well sir, but I must put a token effort into this. Watchmen is a take off of old Charlton Comics characters and at least get the pro for being pretty well developed in the comic books. Since I'm a giant nerd, I like how Rorschach is a more violent 1980's scale version of the Question where his violent tendencies and hobo life-style reflects his obsession with black and white morality (which leads to his demise since he doesn't have the flexibility to see that Veidt's plan is a good one). To even compare the characters in Watchmen to the Mary Sue debacle which is Twilight is... quite obviously Trollbait. One has characters providing social commentary and a romantic subplot about how you have to be slightly deranged to think fighting crime in spandex is a good idea, the other has a plank of wood mooning after either the Abdominal Snowman who never wears a shirt or a borderlin albino. Incidentally, from what I've seen, that's their entire character development. I'm pretty sure this was OP baiting everyone, and as a comic nerd I'm not really thinking of the movies for Watchmen, but there. Argument. Go have it. | |
A male likes Twilight? ... Dialogue is a problem? I guess he doesn't understand plot and whenever presented with anything with bigger narrative he is immediately confused. Most characters is Twilight have only one emotion or no character at all. Watchmen deals with what might actually happen if superheroes existed, and deals with their turmoil. Evne Dr. Manhattan who seems like a ridiculous superhero idea, manages to have meaningful problems despite having almost unlimited power. It takes no amount of fanboyism for me to say that, but I somehow can't say it without it sounding like that. | |
(I am going purely by the film here, which may lose me some credibility, but I understand it's much the same, if only less in-depth.) Watchmen characters each represent political and moralistic viewpoints and deconstructs what really happens when any one of those imperfect viewpoints turns to vigilantism, or attempts to impose that view above all else on the world. Twilight is about girls staying abstinent because hardcore Christian lady says it's the right thing to do. It's also fetishised in the weirdest way possible. (Girl's virginity, vampires and blood... yeah.) It's poorly written and has zero intellectual value whatsoever. It doesn't make you think, it's just Harry Potter gone full-retard. | |
There's your problem. And quite possibly his problem as well. Reading/watching Twilight wouldn't likely change your perspective that it's crap. Given what I've seen of its quality it would most likely reinforce it. But hammering on something you haven't seen/watched based on reputation only is to speak from a position of ignorance. I've spent some time bashing Twilight without having read it through, and I'm being an ignorant tit when I do it, regardless of how much Twilight might deserve it. Your friend may be railing on Watchmen as a measure of revenge, or because he's trying to teach you a lesson in speaking from ignorance. As for Watchmen... It was an important, revolutionary work. Twenty-five years ago. I can see why people coming to it new would wonder what all the fuss was about. | |
I'm not all too familiar with Twilight but from what I remember of Watchmen here's a brief overview of how character development showed up: Dr. Manhattan Rorchak Major Plot Point Now from what I understand about Twilight it goes something like this. Book 1: She picks Edward | |
He's not narrow minded, he just likes one thing better than the other. You can't account for taste, and we all have stupid things we simply enjoy. I never saw or read Twilight so I can't comment on that. | |
As someone who has watched and read both Twilight and The Watchmen... just don't even try to bring sense to your friend. Some people enjoy watching brain-dead bullshit. Hell, a couple of my friends keep telling me that "Who cares if it is just explosions. I can turn my brain off and enjoy it. Stop reading into things so much." I can't do that. I LOVE to understand what the hell is going on. The inner turmoil between each of the characters. That is why I loved Watchman (the comics more so than the movie). That is why I HATE Twilight. That is also why I can't stand to watch movies like "The Expendables" or Transformers (although to be fair, I did greatly enjoy the first one). People like your friend... there is no common sense to dictate that Twilight is abysmal. | |
To be honest, saying you hate Twilight when you haven't read the books or seen the films is a bit silly. You clearly aren't interested in the franchise - which is perfectly understandable - but if you haven't actually seen/read any of it, you're not in much of a position to say anything about it (beyond that you've heard bad things about it). As a person who has seen both Twilight (the first three films) and Watchmen (again, the film), neither film succeeded in making me care about any of the characters. The characters in Twilight made me deeply want to knock all their heads together, whereas the characters in Watchmen just left me apathetic (with the exception of Dr Manhattan, who got under my skin enough to earn a place on my "Characters I wish I could feed to saltwater crocodiles" list). If I had to pick the "best" film of the two, I guess I would have to go with Watchmen simply because it seemed better written (if pretentiously so) and the technical elements were far superior. But if I had to watch one of them again, it would be Twilight. Because those films are hilarious when watched drunk with friends. | |
Y'know, I'm actually going to side with your friend on this one. Stop talking shit about things you haven't actually watched and/or read. At least he has watched the Watchmen movie. You're just spewing bile over Twilight because it's Twilight. The internet said it's bad, so it must be bad, right? Now, I'm not saying "go watch Twilight", because it most certainly is not a good movie (coming from someone who actually watched it), but you have no place telling your friend that he is "narrow minded" (seriously?) because of his opinion when you haven't actually seen Twilight, yet continue to adamantly claim that it's shit. Also, the Watchmen movie wasn't very good either. | |
There's no need to watch a Twilight movie. Just the premise is stupid. A vampire whose superpower is shining? Really? And just by watching the trailer you can see it is soft fantasy porn for teenage LADIES. | |
Dont bother. Thats all I can say. Like many things I found, despite having a good arguement to the contrary, people will still stubbornly ingore it because of their own view. Its basically the same as on the internet, except lesser because of the lack of anonimity. Though, to be honest, the characters from Watchmen arent exactly top notch, IMO, I think the story and message of the movie and comic (for me, mostly the movie, as its all I saw) are whats meant to be seen, as oppose to the actual characters, which are there simply to give the message a means to reach us. | |
Choose your friends... errrr. acquaintances better. Seriously, though, I'm sick of giving Twilight any more attention than it deserves (which is roughly about the equivalent of zero). If girls and certain guys like it, let them be. Entertainment is highly subjective and if people need 200 pages fawning over a sparkly pedophile, it's their own problem. I know that pop culture sucks but unless they're actively trying to convert you into twilight fanboys, just don't give a shit. It's the most effective way of getting rid of them | |
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Is what an acquaintance of mine is saying. I'm discussing this with him and I'm saying that Twilight is only the vessel for teenage relationship wet dreams and he's saying I don't get it. He's very stubborn so help me out here?
He's saying the characters in watchmen are just superhero's only they fail in everything they do so they're simple and one dimensional.
"I find for example the lord of the rings not at all interesting, only because it's way too long winded, I had the same issue with Watchmen it's just dialogue for the sake of filling the movie. Now I'm not saying all long movies are like that but in those two it disturbed me a lot."
That's a translation of one of the things he said for instance. Someone please help me explain how narrow minded his view is.