Cigarettes should be illegal.

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Idlemessiah:

Link55:
1. Weed is less harmful than cigarettes.
2. At least weed help people in a way.
3. That and it's natural unlike the thousands of chemicals in the average cigarette.
4. And in what way does a cigarette help anybody. If you know a way please tell me.
5. But they should just ban them without hesitation.

1. In small doses yes. But how often do you hear of people ODing on cigarettes?

2. The only way I can think of weed helping people is as a painkiller when conventional drugs won't work.

3. You've obviously never had cut or spiked weed.

4. They don't, but neither does any addictive substance.

5. Oh, cause prohibition was such a great idea last time. I can just imagine it... Governments worldwide outright ban smoking. Smog clears, lung cancer patients are suddenly cured, people on the internet stop complaining. The next day, major population centres across the world burn as hundreds of millions of people experience nicotine cravings all at once and collectively go mad.

Now excuse me, I have a jar of "I can't believe how terrible your ideas are!" to eat.

1. It is literally impossible for a human to overdose from smoking marijuana, look it up.

2. Conventional painkillers do immediate harm to your liver and body, marijuana if taken as a pill doesn't.

3. Cut or spiked marijuana are terrible things, but not marijuana's fault. This is the result of it being unjustly labeled a schedule 1 narcotic and being pushed into the same light as cocaine and meth. If regulated and taxed, you would get spiked weed as often as you buy a pack of camels and its full of scorpions.

4. They don't, but neither do videogames, alcohol, soda, the aforementioned cigarettes, sun-tanning, fast food, driving race cars, riding skate boards, ect, ect, ect by that logic. Nearly everything recreational or indulgent is bad for you, should it also be illegal?

5. Prohibition of anything is a bad idea. What one or more consenting adults choose to do in the privacy of one's home should never be subject to control by the government or anyone else. For those who want to live in a nanny-state, go live in the UK or Europe somewhere.

EDIT: Two topical quotes.

"If you substitute marijuana for tobacco and alcohol, you'll add eight to 24 years to your life." - Jack Herer

"The illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world." - Carl Sagan as Mr. X, published in Dr. Lester Grinspoon's Marihuana Reconsidered (1971)

Whether cigarettes should or should not be illegal is one thing. Ever heard of the prohibition though? Banning alcohol didn't end well so this wouldn't either.

10 pages, eh? Yeah alright, why not?

I'm going to respond to the actual intent of the thread: "Waaaaaaaa! Why is smoking is okay when I want to smoke weed? Waaaaaaaah!"

Freedom of choice: if someone wants to do something that they know is hazardous to their long-term health, so long as they are indeed educated about it first, then they can go right ahead.

Legalize it, regulate it, and tax the crap out of it.

The problem may lie in the conspiracy theories. Like how Prohibition was about slowing down alcohol based fuel research long enough for Big Oil to take over not about any moral or health issues related to alcohol; perhaps there is potential in the weed plant for an oil alternative that is being shunned.

That, or the shit really is worse for you than cigarettes. I don't really know, I'm not an expert, but I partake of none of the above so I don't really care either way. Except that the "war on drugs" costs me way too many tax dollars.

Yosato:

Hazy992:

SongsOfDragons:

O/T, and apologies if it has already been mentioned in some way: I know of a way it can indeed help you, even save your life. Ethanol is the cure for antifreeze poisoning (ethylene glycol, IIRC) and in lieu of medical-grade ethanol, vodka will do quite nicely. Or whiskey, or gin, or... :D

But that's indeed a specific situation, and mostly unrelated to how most people generally treat alcohol. It just amused me when a medical student told me of it. ^^

Well you learn something new every day :D

But even so, it's kind of a silly argument. Just because it's not helping people doesn't mean it should be banned. And people smoke to relieve anxiety and stress and things like that.

Exactly, and you can flip that argument too. They use heroin occasionally to help people who dying and make them comfortable in their last hours. Just because it has a medical use doesn't mean it should be legal.

Diamorphine. I don't think they still use it in the States, but I think it's still available for hospital prescription in the UK. The speed at which it works, its duration and its level of working make it useful - but its addictive tendancy makes it dangerous. But for end-of-life or pallative care it's great. I think there are other painkillers of that magnitude, but they're derived from far more unnatural sources than processed poppies and also have iffy side-effects.

I'm a medical geek... ^^ I once wanted to be a doctor (as in, at primary school) but in the end didn't. Perhaps the right wording is 'controlled', rather than blanket 'illegal'.

Another interesting thing: When I had pharyngitis a few winters ago, my doctor prescribed me a cough medicine that I had to look up before I took it because it had no leaflet. It was called Pholcodeine - it's Schedule I in the States, yet one can buy it in formulations aimed at children over the counter here. O.o

I am going to take this an entire step further.

Not only should cigarettes be banned, people who smoke should be euthanized.

For the moment, ignore other drugs. I am also ignoring the impact on economy (taxes vs future extended care). Focus on the single aspect of smoking.

When a person smokes, he or she is knowingly pumping harmful chemicals into their body. They are putting themselves through incredible physical trauma to sustain what is or very soon will be their habit. All this simply on inhalation. On the exhale, you are now sharing all those particles and chemicals with the people around you, poisoning and inflicting upon them the same trauma you are doing to yourself.

To my eyes, smoking is akin to slow suicide, and attempted murder to those around you. With every cigarette, you are doing yourself and the people around you even more harm.

If you do not respect yourself enough and your friends, family, general public, to prevent and protect from widespread debilitation and harm, you should be put down.

I smoke cigarettes but I only smoke American Spirits and it has no additives. I think that all that crap in the regular cigarettes should be banned but I think tobacco and nicotine should remain legal

On the marijuana side I doubt it will be legalized anytime soon. But I hope it is decriminalized.

Matthew94:
I think smoking them outside should be curbed, or at least reduced in the areas near public areas, but not banned. Due to the ban on smoking inside smokers now just crowd around the entrance in large numbers instead.

I dislike when I go to somewhere like a hospital or shopping centre and I have to walk through the cloud of smoke caused by all the smokers.

A law was passed in Indiana, you have to stand like eight feet away from establishments when you smoke, or is that only bars?

The Last Nomad:

Calibanbutcher:

And weed really isn't all that harmless.
It might not give you cancer, but more often than not you can get yourself a bad psychosis.

"More often than not"?

I'm sorry to be the one to point this out but that's not true. "Far less often than not" would have been a better choice of words.

Soo, the people I met whilst working in a psychiatric institution who where there due to weed destroying their brain had no psychosis (well, psychotic episode WOULD have been the correct term, I admit).

Interesting.

http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/157/1/25.short

http://psycnet.apa.org/?&fa=main.doiLanding&uid=1935-04602-001

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673687926201

Enjoy.

2clueless:
I am going to take this an entire step further.

Not only should cigarettes be banned, people who smoke should be euthanized.

For the moment, ignore other drugs. I am also ignoring the impact on economy (taxes vs future extended care). Focus on the single aspect of smoking.

When a person smokes, he or she is knowingly pumping harmful chemicals into their body. They are putting themselves through incredible physical trauma to sustain what is or very soon will be their habit. All this simply on inhalation. On the exhale, you are now sharing all those particles and chemicals with the people around you, poisoning and inflicting upon them the same trauma you are doing to yourself.

To my eyes, smoking is akin to slow suicide, and attempted murder to those around you. With every cigarette, you are doing yourself and the people around you even more harm.

If you do not respect yourself enough and your friends, family, general public, to prevent and protect from widespread debilitation and harm, you should be put down.

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Cannabis is a completely different animal than cigarettes. Cigarettes tend to be for those who want to relax and reach a zen state, but without any mental disfunction. Cannabis is more towards the point of experiencing life through a mentally disfunctional state. Both should be legal, as it really isn't our responsibility to monitor someone else's life.

Link55:
Weed is less harmful than cigarettes. At least weed help people in a way. That and it's natural unlike the thousands of chemicals in the average cigarette. And in what way does a cigarette help anybody. If you know a way please tell me. But they should just ban them without hesitation.

Actually you are completely incorrect. For reference, I support the legalization of Marijuana, but smoking it is as bad if not worse for you than cigarettes. Why do I say this? Tar. The crap that collects in a pipe also collects in your lungs.

Not to mention that pretty much putting any form of smoke into your lungs is not good for you. There is a reason that animals run from smoke and fire. :)

As for other forms of consumption, you could write an entire term paper on the pros and cons for each. From a health standpoint, neither is really "good" for you, but some of the effects of Marijuana can be beneficial in specific circumstances.

I disagree with banning cigarettes for two reasons - taxes and prohibition.

Matthew94:
I think smoking them outside should be curbed, or at least reduced in the areas near public areas, but not banned. Due to the ban on smoking inside smokers now just crowd around the entrance in large numbers instead.

I dislike when I go to somewhere like a hospital or shopping centre and I have to walk through the cloud of smoke caused by all the smokers.

Agreed. Also, I hate having to walk through a cloud of smoke to enter a building. My wife works in an office building (at a career college) and the students on break are standing 20 feet form the door,like it makes a difference. There are posted signs, smokers must remain at least 20 feet from the doors. Not like you can avoid smoke blown by the wind.

Aprilgold:

ElPatron:
Let's ban murder and robbery. That will work perfectly!

Um yeah, those are illegal. If you break the law you go to jail so its a technical ban.

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I won't even waste time explaining my post to you because I'm almost sure I would just waste my time.

At least during prohibition people who drank were out of the way, right? if tobacco and alcohol were banned at least smokers and drunks wouldn't just be out on the street bothering people.

MY major complaint with making things that are staples in people's lives is that then criminals would smoke them. As much as I hate people who really don't care blowing smoke in my face, I hate the idea that we are smuggling in and killing people over the business of smuggling these stupid little sticks. Love them or hate them I'd rather not see people die over trying to sell them.

People do die when smoking though! That is very true, the wrap sheet of health issues caused (or augmented) by smoking is a mile long. But, it's their choice, and the power of choice is huge! I can choose to stuff my face, shoot up, smoke, drive drunk or even cut myself. And, until we get to Minority Report status, it will remain that way. If you look at the broad spectrum of things you find you can kill yourself in the most interesting ways known to man, and no one will be able to freaking stop you if you have the will to do it.

Smoking is a hot button because glorification and demonetization of the same substance has been happening for so long. If you take a step back, you really see that if smoking goes so do alot of other things will for the same reasons.

I hate smoke, but if I say it should be illegal we are going down a path of losing things I may not mind, or even love to do. Video games and movies should be banned because some people believe they present ideas that people shouldn't be exposed to. They are a waste of time. While you may love them and enjoy them immensely some people could loathe them.

Colour-Scientist:
Oops, double post.

Mmm... lovely fags.

I hope an American reads that who doesn't know what the hell you're on about :P

DrLoveNKiss:

2clueless:
I am going to take this an entire step further.

Not only should cigarettes be banned, people who smoke should be euthanized.

For the moment, ignore other drugs. I am also ignoring the impact on economy (taxes vs future extended care). Focus on the single aspect of smoking.

When a person smokes, he or she is knowingly pumping harmful chemicals into their body. They are putting themselves through incredible physical trauma to sustain what is or very soon will be their habit. All this simply on inhalation. On the exhale, you are now sharing all those particles and chemicals with the people around you, poisoning and inflicting upon them the same trauma you are doing to yourself.

To my eyes, smoking is akin to slow suicide, and attempted murder to those around you. With every cigarette, you are doing yourself and the people around you even more harm.

If you do not respect yourself enough and your friends, family, general public, to prevent and protect from widespread debilitation and harm, you should be put down.

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Now, we know that there are a lot of smokers.
There are even more who do not smoke.
Of this majority, a few are truly ANTI-smoking.
Wouldn't it make more sense just to kill them?
There are fewer of them than smokers, so less people would have to be put down.

ResonanceSD:

Earlybuddy:
It's not just about these people hurting themselves. I mean come on, is nobody going to mention the very important and dangerous second-hand smoke that causes cancer?

Quite a few have mentioned it. On this page alone.

Yeah it's my mistake. I didn't read all the comments. :P

Calibanbutcher:

DrLoveNKiss:

2clueless:
I am going to take this an entire step further.

Not only should cigarettes be banned, people who smoke should be euthanized.

For the moment, ignore other drugs. I am also ignoring the impact on economy (taxes vs future extended care). Focus on the single aspect of smoking.

When a person smokes, he or she is knowingly pumping harmful chemicals into their body. They are putting themselves through incredible physical trauma to sustain what is or very soon will be their habit. All this simply on inhalation. On the exhale, you are now sharing all those particles and chemicals with the people around you, poisoning and inflicting upon them the same trauma you are doing to yourself.

To my eyes, smoking is akin to slow suicide, and attempted murder to those around you. With every cigarette, you are doing yourself and the people around you even more harm.

If you do not respect yourself enough and your friends, family, general public, to prevent and protect from widespread debilitation and harm, you should be put down.

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Now, we know that there are a lot of smokers.
There are even more who do not smoke.
Of this majority, a few are truly ANTI-smoking.
Wouldn't it make more sense just to kill them?
There are fewer of them than smokers, so less people would have to be put down.

I am looking for discussion. I am not looking for quotes and reversals that do not relate to the spirit of the argument.

Is this an extreme view? Definitely. Am I willing to back off or concede a point or two? Certainly. I am sure their are plenty of smokers who are courteous and diligent enough to indulge their suicidal tendencies without annoying and endangering the rest of us, and so may be left alone. My real issues lie with the idiots and asshats who still smoke in the house with young children, who smoke next to malls, schools, hospitals, and all other busy public institutions. Fine them, restrict them, jail them, euthanize them, whatever it takes to stop the local pollution and danger to other people.

Are both of you smokers? Would you disagree that second hand smoke is poisonous? Do you enjoy harming others with your habit?

If you are both non-smokers speaking up for those who practice the habit, do you not get angry with every errant breath of carcinogen-laden cigarette smoke? I believe you should. I believe you should be seeking ways to be rid of such reckless public enadngerment, one way or another.

Jeffrey Crall:

Lumber Barber:

Link55:
And in what way does a cigarette help anybody. If you know a way please tell me.

In what way does whining about cigarettes on a gaming website help you?
Oh right, it doesn't.
Checkmate.

Pfft... Like your being any better :P

Hey, I'm perfectly whole with wasting my time complaining about video games on the internet!

2clueless:

I am looking for discussion. I am not looking for quotes and reversals that do not relate to the spirit of the argument.

Is this an extreme view? Definitely. Am I willing to back off or concede a point or two? Certainly. I am sure their are plenty of smokers who are courteous and diligent enough to indulge their suicidal tendencies without annoying and endangering the rest of us, and so may be left alone. My real issues lie with the idiots and asshats who still smoke in the house with young children, who smoke next to malls, schools, hospitals, and all other busy public institutions. Fine them, restrict them, jail them, euthanize them, whatever it takes to stop the local pollution and danger to other people.

Are both of you smokers? Would you disagree that second hand smoke is poisonous? Do you enjoy harming others with your habit?

If you are both non-smokers speaking up for those who practice the habit, do you not get angry with every errant breath of carcinogen-laden cigarette smoke? I believe you should. I believe you should be seeking ways to be rid of such reckless public enadngerment, one way or another.

If we decided to kill or make sterile everyone we disagreed or didn't like. The human race would be wiped out. You can hate something all you like, doesn't make what you do any better to someone else that they wouldn't want to wipe you off the planet.

Flailing Escapist:

Arcane Azmadi:
Tobacco is an addictive and highly unhealthy drug shamelessly abused by MILLIONS of people the world over. Unlike alcohol you CANNOT smoke safely as alcohol is only harmful when used in excess, while tobacco is harmful simply for what it is- you're concentrating and inhaling poison. Tobacco is also the worst of ALL drugs because it spreads its harmful effects to innocent non-users around the user- the amount of passive tobacco smoke I have to put up with in the average day literally makes me ill. It stinks, it ruins your health and appearance (seriously smokers, you're fucking disgusting, I can't even stand to be within 2 metres of you), it has no positive effects and it pollutes land, air and water.

And despite all this, it's not only tolerated but COMMONPLACE worldwide just because it's been around for hundreds of years (in one form or another). Guess what- so was SLAVERY before it was finally abolished. And no, I'm NOT comparing smoking to slavery, but I AM pointing out that just because something bad has been around for a long time that doesn't meant it's any less bad, nor that a lot of people thinking there's nothing wrong with it makes them RIGHT (America had to fight a CIVIL WAR to abolise slavery). I mean, can millions of people possibly be wrong? Stupid question; of course they can!

Wow bro, calm down.

Why don't you take up a war on world hunger, serial killers, Communism, child pornography, soap operas, fast food restaurants, dangerous cults, terrorism and always online DRM before raising banners against smoking? Or are you just too lazy to pick a better target?

Rage against something worth raging about!

Why don't you make threads about that so I can rage about them there? Or do you have some AGENDA for having a go at me over raging against smoking in an anti-smoking thread? It's not like I declared smoking to be the prime evil of our time, but it's the one that most often affects me from day to day so I have a RIGHT to be angry about it. You will not silence me with your lame "there are worse problems so we shouldn't do anything about this one" argument.

Link55:
Weed is less harmful than cigarettes. At least weed help people in a way. That and it's natural unlike the thousands of chemicals in the average cigarette. And in what way does a cigarette help anybody. If you know a way please tell me. But they should just ban them without hesitation.

Actually, no. Cannabis is, in fact, much more harmful than tobacco. I have an article to prove it an everything!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2419713.stm

That article is even pretty old... there was also an article in the BMJ this month about new research showing that chemicals in cannabis are very carcinogenic, and could be up to FORTY TIMES more dangerous than cigarettes. That's not even touching on the mental issues that develop through prolonged use!

Mandalore_15:

Link55:
Weed is less harmful than cigarettes. At least weed help people in a way. That and it's natural unlike the thousands of chemicals in the average cigarette. And in what way does a cigarette help anybody. If you know a way please tell me. But they should just ban them without hesitation.

Actually, no. Cannabis is, in fact, much more harmful than tobacco. I have an article to prove it an everything!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2419713.stm

That article is even pretty old... there was also an article in the BMJ this month about new research showing that chemicals in cannabis are very carcinogenic, and could be up to FORTY TIMES more dangerous than cigarettes. That's not even touching on the mental issues that develop through prolonged use!

That's true, though this is balanced by the amounts of each that a person takes.

I hope OP has learned something from this. Just because something is dangerous, doesn't mean it should be illegal. Of course if it can harm people passively there should laws to protect people (such as regulating where it is appropriate to do it, and allowing people to designate spaces for use of their drug), but criminalising a drug is a futile waste of time, as I'm sure many people have argued coherently and reasonably, quoting the appropriate sources.

Say no to the war on drugs, lets get that tax money going to something even a little bit productive.

I'm sure we all feel enlightened today.

Link55:
Weed is less harmful than cigarettes. At least weed help people in a way. That and it's natural unlike the thousands of chemicals in the average cigarette. And in what way does a cigarette help anybody. If you know a way please tell me. But they should just ban them without hesitation.

Actually the damage from smoking weed is equal or greater than the damage from smoking tobacco.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/684328.stm

I recently quit smoking tobacco - it's been about 25 days.
I used to smoke weed (it's been many years).

Tobacco has never impaired my ability to drive or make important decisions. The same cannot be said for weed.

But if you need to justify this for yourself for some reason, nobody is going to convince you otherwise. The funny thing is, and maybe the kids these days are different, but in my day, those who smoked weed, also smoked tobacco.

Edit: I've been ninja'd!

yeti585:
I do not really think they should be banned. Who am I to tell someone how to live their life? It all comes down to the question "Do people have the right to harm themselves? And if so, to what extent?"

You do know about secondhand smoke, right?

Yeah, and let's ban hamburgers too, make Maccas sell carrots.

If you don't like smoking that's something you gotta deal with, the people who do smoke are doing fine as they are and don't need to be babied by others.

Dr. Dice Lord:
-snip-

I'm not trying to build an argument for pro-criminalisation of cannabis here, but lets say rat models will produce similar ratios to monkeys in LD50 experiments, so we can convert from intravenous to inhalations volumes. So for a monkey, the LD50 of THC, intravenously administered is about 128mg/kg (I'm told this is the lowest LD50 of the group). For a rat it's 29mg/kg for intravenous administration and 42mg/kg for inhalation, so a ratio of 1:1.448. That means, if this wild assumption is on the money, we're looking at an LD50 through inhalation for a monkey of 185mg/kg.

Now lets take an upper range THC concentration from a dry weight of high THC-content "sinsemilla" (17%) and you specified smoking so the delivery method will be a joint (28% efficiency). We put 1g of cannabis in the joint. That means for every joint 47.6mg of THC is inhaled.

Now lets just take the average female body weight of a women from Brazil, 62.5Kg. We now can extrapolate that, if we can assume a monkeys sensitivity is similar to that of a human (which I get is a bit of a stretch), the LD50 of THC for the average Brazilian women is 11.6g.

That's the equivalent dose of THC that you'd inhale from 243 joints.

However plasma [THC] regularly falls below 5ng/mL after 3 hours of smoking, so you'd have to work fast. Not the stoners specialty. You'd also need to smoke a harvest that would make a manufacturer very comfortable for a while.

captcha: perfect world

What a person wants to do to their own body in their own home is entirely their business. The argument should end right there. If you want to smoke, you should be able to.

But naturally I'm also in support of weed, and ending the war on drugs. However, as a pot supporter, you have no right to tell people not to smoke cigarettes. Yes cigarettes are less healthy, but you're saying that you want your substance, yet they have to give up theirs? That's just hypocritical. And besides, if you outlawed cigarettes, you'd start a whole new drug war. I'll gladly support weed, but the best arguments for weed involve personal choice, which is also a cigarette argument. This is a two-way street. You're in no position to ban something when you want something similar unbanned. And again, there'll be a whole other kind of organized crime created the moment you outlaw cigarettes. People don't simply stop doing something fun the moment it's illegal. We tried banning alcohol once. Look how that worked out.

ElPatron:

Aprilgold:

ElPatron:
Let's ban murder and robbery. That will work perfectly!

Um yeah, those are illegal. If you break the law you go to jail so its a technical ban.

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I won't even waste time explaining my post to you because I'm almost sure I would just waste my time.

Your not wasting your time because your post was stupid. You do understand how bans work right? To put it simply, if we banned gambling then any type of gambling would be illegal, however that doesn't mean it would stop. We can't ban murder because murder is one of many things done in many different reasons.

To end it, yes, these things are illegal and as far as I care are technically 'banned' now if your not going to waste your time then why waste your time being sarcastic?

2clueless:
I am going to take this an entire step further.

Not only should cigarettes be banned, people who smoke should be euthanized.

For the moment, ignore other drugs. I am also ignoring the impact on economy (taxes vs future extended care). Focus on the single aspect of smoking.

When a person smokes, he or she is knowingly pumping harmful chemicals into their body. They are putting themselves through incredible physical trauma to sustain what is or very soon will be their habit. All this simply on inhalation. On the exhale, you are now sharing all those particles and chemicals with the people around you, poisoning and inflicting upon them the same trauma you are doing to yourself.

To my eyes, smoking is akin to slow suicide, and attempted murder to those around you. With every cigarette, you are doing yourself and the people around you even more harm.

If you do not respect yourself enough and your friends, family, general public, to prevent and protect from widespread debilitation and harm, you should be put down.

Not sure if trolling or just moronic...

You know what else is slow suicide? Life. We're all going to die someday.

You know what else kills other people that we breathe out naturally? Carbon dioxide.

There are those amongst us in the smoking community who are aware of the risks of smoking and respect the rights of others to not wish to be near our smoke, you know.

Prohibition in any form, is a flawed and broken system. A lesson learned from Nineteen Twenty to Nineteen Thirty Three.

Well I hate cigarettes but I don't think that defending weed is a good argument against them. However I must admit that cigs are a good source of economic stimulation ._.'

2clueless:

Are both of you smokers? Would you disagree that second hand smoke is poisonous? Do you enjoy harming others with your habit?

Do you drive? Do you like that your exhaust pollutes the air far more than any cigarette can? Do you think drivers should be euthanized?

What a despicable view you have.

For the record - I am on 25 days of not smoking. Would have quit sooner if not for the asshats who keep pushing smokers around. Yup, by the end, I was smoking almost out of sheer spite for the anti-tobacco dickheads.

BTW, I always smoked outside. Did not smoke near my child. Did not smoke in the car. Did not blow smoke in people's faces. And was generally as courteous as I could be. Most smokers are actually very social creatures. It's the holier than thou anti-smoking lobby that needs to rot.

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