Is Bob Dylan a talentless hack?
Yes, his lyrical skills are horrible and/or I hate his voice.
7.3% (23)
7.3% (23)
Yes, his instrumental are horrible.
1.6% (5)
1.6% (5)
No, but he is overrated.
17.4% (55)
17.4% (55)
Yes, he is a talentless hack, but he had a large influence over music.
4.1% (13)
4.1% (13)
No, I like him.
36% (114)
36% (114)
No, he has talent, but I don't like him.
14.8% (47)
14.8% (47)
No, I love him.
8.8% (28)
8.8% (28)
No, he's almost as good as bacon sex.
9.5% (30)
9.5% (30)
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Vault101:

DVS BSTrD:
]It's not really the music that's elitist, it's Dylan himself. He Doesn't think anyone's written good music/songs since the eighties. His songs are rather down to earth, at least they used to be

huh?..I can imagine his fans being like that...but dylan himself was like that? (wait..is he still alive?)

didn't he at some point at a concernt playing his new "rock and roll" sound (the song rolling stone I think) and people didnt like it...and he pretty mcuh said "F you I'm playing what I want" or somthing

He is alive. Also this:

http://www.cracked.com/article_18446_6-albums-by-rock-legends-that-were-thinly-veiled-f2340k-yous.html

For those of you who don't want to click, #5 basically states Dylan wrote Self Portrait because he didn't want to be considered the voice of a generation; and he wanted the dirty hippies to get off his lawn.

Didn't vote, didn't see an option that suited my thoughts very well. It's actually funny this thread even came up because I was thinking about exactly this yesterday. Dylan makes some great music, and his singing suits some of it, but in more cases I feel he's a much better lyricist than singer. Jeff Healey and Jimi Hendrix made some covers distinctly their own, for example.

Good musician/singer, excellent songwriter.

Dylan's strength lay in his ability to convey a message through song. Not just some story, but a real message about the world he lived in. I was not alive when he was doing his thing, so I cannot understand exactly what those messages were or what they were created for. However, I do understand that while he was unskilled in some major areas (musical ability, singing) he was still able to strongly convey his message to the masses and was/is loved for it. As a side note to the skrillex and other dubstep/dnb/whatever comments, it's just a different kind of music that requires different kinds of skills. Kinda like ppl who thought rock is noise and real music was played by an orchestra or band (big band, not the current definition).

Vault101:

MrGalactus:

y...you have an aversion to elitism, but you think people who listen to Bob Dylan are pretentious? Interesting.

OT: I like Bob Dylan quite a bit. People say they hate his voice, but I have no problem with it. That being said, I have little room to talk.

I probably didnt explain that very well

its just me....copy and paste my explanation:

ever since I started developing my taste in music... more obscure stuff and from genres that are kind of loathed by some (rap and electronic) It sort of undid alot of the musical "truths" I just assumed were true when I was a kid

like the song "Piano man" by billy joal I used to really like...but now I can't stand it because I associate it with music elitism

still friggen love "only the good die young" though

Ah, ok, you mean stuff that you were brought up to assume were good just because they're supposed to be, you associate with the kind of people who happen to be musical elitists? I think I get it. There are people do think their tastes are "better" than other peoples just because what they listen to is widely considered classic or revolutionary or whatever.

Vault101:

DVS BSTrD:
]It's not really the music that's elitist, it's Dylan himself. He Doesn't think anyone's written good music/songs since the eighties. His songs are rather down to earth, at least they used to be

huh?..I can imagine his fans being like that...but dylan himself was like that? (wait..is he still alive?)

didn't he at some point at a concernt playing his new "rock and roll" sound (the song rolling stone I think) and people didnt like it...and he pretty much said "F you I'm playing what I want" or something?

Well to be fair, after he went electric people were literally calling him "Judas" at the concerts. And that was on his return after the motorcycle crash.

I put him in the same column as The Rolling Stones, where it depends on the song. Overall I wouldn't call myself a fan, because I wouldn't want to spend a day listening my way through his catalog, but there are cases where his lyrics really capture the time in which they were written. The more folksy vibe to the music is not really my style, but I respect him as an artist.

Absolutely not. He's a fantastic folk artist. His voice is part of his charm, like a lot of folk singers. I actually tend to prefer rougher, imperfect voices most of the time. There are exceptions, of course. But I find those qualities make the songs feel more human to me. Or something like that. It's hard to explain.

What irks me is when someone tries to sing Bob Dylan songs in the American Idol style.


I like soul music. Al Green, Marvin Gaye, Bill Withers, and the like are great (and obvious exceptions to my vocal preferences). But melismas do not belong in a Bob Dylan song. It's enough to make me want to stab someone. You're doing it wrong!

But yeah, with like 300 of his songs on my iPod, I'd say I'm a fan of Dylan's. I even loved his last few albums.

He's okay. I like his music when it's being performed by other people, so at the least he's rather influential. Plus he's definitely something of a modern poet with his lyrics. "Overrated" might be a bit steep. He's popular because he does what he does well - deep, well-written folk music. He's no Simon and Garfunkel, but without him there'd be no Jimmy Hendrix cover of All Along the Watchtower, so I'm inclined to like the guy, even if I'm not a fan of the genre.

Vault101:

like the song "Piano man" by billy joal I used to really like...but now I can't stand it because I associate it with music elitism

That is weird. Billy Joel is sort of the male version of Celine Dion. It's not cool to listen to him. It's actually extremely uncool. Just pointing that out. I actually like "Piano Man"...and "Always a Woman".

And some Rod Stewart songs...

DustyDrB:


But melismas do not belong in a Bob Dylan song. It's enough to make me want to stab someone. You're doing it wrong!

Slow it down 2X, add rythmical pauses, make the voice raspyer, make the piano music much more simplistic and not completely take all the soul out of the fucking chorus with the horrible voice and overly-complicated instrumentals and you'd actually have a listenable cover.

Now that I look back on it, this would make it a Jazz cover, not an Idol cover. Huh.

Actually kind of like this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwo3keRf38E

MrGalactus:

Ah, ok, you mean stuff that you were brought up to assume were good just because they're supposed to be, you associate with the kind of people who happen to be musical elitists? I think I get it. There are people do think their tastes are "better" than other peoples just because what they listen to is widely considered classic or revolutionary or whatever.

exactly, I don;t believe all music is created eaqual...but I also don't belive alot of the "well loved stuff" (from a very mainstream point of veiw) is the be all and end all of music

Try and find someone more influential than Bob Dylan, and then tell me what that makes all artists today if Bob Dylan is a talentless hack. Make me laugh, please.

As for his voice, at least he is original and can a hold a note. Most singers now sound like either past pop stars or a dying animal.

However, he has said some really controversial things in the past, and also changed his style drastically that put a lot of people off as well. That still doesn't change that he is easily one of the best and most iconic artists in the world.

Vault101:

MrGalactus:

Ah, ok, you mean stuff that you were brought up to assume were good just because they're supposed to be, you associate with the kind of people who happen to be musical elitists? I think I get it. There are people do think their tastes are "better" than other peoples just because what they listen to is widely considered classic or revolutionary or whatever.

exactly, I don;t believe all music is created eaqual...but I also don't belive alot of the "well loved stuff" (from a very mainstream point of veiw) is the be all and end all of music

Oh it isn't, but you should really judge the music on it's own merits, not on the attitude of the fan-base. And liking it doesn't necessarily make you one of them. (I know you're better than that)

DVS BSTrD:
Oh it isn't, but you should really judge the music on it's own merits, not on the attitude of the fan-base. And liking it doesn't necessarily make you one of them. (I know you're better than that)

I do....and sometimes its "eh" and sometimes its great..depending on what it is

The man wrote poetry and put a guitar backing to it, belting it out in his characterful voice because he wasn't going to trust anyone else to do it.

Good stuff.

Dr Jones:

Kungfu_Teddybear:

I'm surprised that guy with the Bob Dylan avatar isn't here yet.

(Also, if you are thinking of some other Bob Dylan avatared fella, this is super-awkward).

No, I was meaning you. I don't think I've seen anyone else on the site with a Dylan avatar.

I prefer his sons work
Jacob Dylan as part of the Wallflowers - one headlight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzyfcys1aLM

The man can ramble like a pro. Not really a fan, but you got to respect his skill for lyrics.

I.Muir:
I prefer his sons work
Jacob Dylan as part of the Wallflowers - one headlight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzyfcys1aLM

Never really did hear Jacob's work (not yet at least), but it is kinda sad that he lives in Bob's shadow. Whatever he does, there will be people comparing him to his father (also the name "Wallflower", I can't figure it out (well I haven't really tried) but isn't it a small nod to the BD song "Wallflowers"?).

Not a big fan of his singing but then again listening to Bob Dylan for good singing is like listening to The Ramones for complex melodies. That's not what he's about. What you should listen to Bob Dylan for is his lyrical skill.

Personally, I think Bob Dylan's an average musician who was lucky enough to get popular at a time when other, more important bands and artists all took off. If you're a popular musician and you got started in the Sixties, it's natural that people are going to ascribe some mythical status to you.

I like his songs when they're covered by other people. Jimi Hendrix took an average song and turned it into one of the defining songs of the period, and one of the best guitar workouts in history.

As for his lyrical ability... he's not bad. But at the same time, I think there are other artists from the period who absolutely shit all over him as a songwriter. Joni Mitchell not only has lyrics with ten times the depth as Dylan, but far superior musical ability and singing talent. Listening to Dylan, you'll hear a decent simile or a crafty metaphor every now and then. Listening to Joni, especially from the sixties and early seventies, you hear these beautiful tales of life experiences told in such beautiful language, from a girl who'd already lived a lot before she even hit 20.

Apparently Joni and Dylan can't stand each other. Can't say I'm surprised.

Another artist from the era who I'd say is well at the top of the songwriter pantheon is Ian Anderson. Technically he was part of Jethro Tull, but he wrote all the music and lyrics, and a lot of their stuff is simply him and a guitar anyway. Again, he has a much, much better grasp (IMO) of lyrical technique and musical theory than Dylan.

This is a song written over 40 years ago, yet the issues it covers (global warming, etc) are things we've only just started trying to tackle now. That, to me, is a sign of true lyrical prophecy.

He's one of those artists who has released too many songs for anyone who hasn't listened to all of them to really give a good judgement on him.

But anyone who has written as many good songs as he has (no matter how many bad/boring/average songs he has) must have talent. And a hell of a lot more than most popular modern artists.

Sh1nobu:
I had to research 60's music for a school project a while ago and happened to stumble upon a lot of negativity on Bob Dylan. All the positive stuff seemed to be rabid fans defending their favorite artist. The negative stuff was all about how "he was a talentless hack" and "had a horrible singing voice". I find him one of the most influential artists of the 60's and can't see why anyone would dislike him that much.

So I'll ask the least idiotic fellows I have happened to stumble upon in the interwebs - you.

Some of his songs, if you havn't listened to him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk3mAX5xdxo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X6MIgFtxnw

Bob Dylan wrote "All Along the Watchtower"

Q.E.D. anyone who calls him a "Talentless hack" is objectively wrong.

Every time I hear a Bob Dylan song I want to rip my ears off to make it stop. That's how much I hate him.

Broax:
He has horrible singing voice but it works well for his work. He's a great artist, musician and composer... His voice has bad pitch but on the other hand has a lot of character, kinda like Janis Joplin, Jimi hendrix, etc. They don't have great voices but make great music with them.

It's how you use the instrument (voice) that counts. And in a time without autotune I think they did an amazing work...

I think it's valid not to like them as you can't argue about taste. But his influence on music for generations is undeniable.

I thought Hendrix's voice was amazing :D. But that's just me i'm a die hard Hendrix fan

Jimi Hendrix actually liked Bob Dylan because he was an example of how you could make it in the music business without actually having a spectacular voice.

That said, I love The Times They Are A-Changing and All Along The Watchtower. :)

There seems to be some opposition around here, but I'm afraid I can't hear it over this funny noise ringing in my ears. Namely, a grating and irritating sound that disrupts the senses and creates physical pain that some attribute to be the result of a man. I'm Irish, so I'm alright with bagpipes, and I'm a Weird Al fan, so accordians are okay by me, but there are some sounds that I will not stand for...to the point where I actually made it a weakness for one of my musically-talented characters. Start Bob Dylan up and he crumbles...and I am almost the same way.

DugMachine:

I thought Hendrix's voice was amazing :D. But that's just me i'm a die hard Hendrix fan

Hendrix is my favorite all time guitarist... He's magical with a guitar and a great (giant) influence in rock and a lot of musical genres... But I find his voice lacking in quality. Which doesn't mean I don't love to listen to him sing... His voice has character.. Most of the time it's more important to have character then perfect pitch... =)

GameChanger:
Jimi Hendrix actually liked Bob Dylan because he was an example of how you could make it in the music business without actually having a spectacular voice.

That said, I love The Times They Are A-Changing and All Along The Watchtower. :)

Indeed... I once saw a documetnary 'bout hendrix and he was quoting for saying "if that guy can sing with that voice, then so can I!" and that's when he made the leap from guitar player (sometimes backup guitar!!!) to guitarist/vocalist!

Dr Jones:

I.Muir:
I prefer his sons work
Jacob Dylan as part of the Wallflowers - one headlight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzyfcys1aLM

Never really did hear Jacob's work (not yet at least), but it is kinda sad that he lives in Bob's shadow. Whatever he does, there will be people comparing him to his father (also the name "Wallflower", I can't figure it out (well I haven't really tried) but isn't it a small nod to the BD song "Wallflowers"?).

Haven't got a clue but it's a distinct possibility

I voted overrated, but then again this is coming from someone who lives in Hibbing, MN (His childhood home, I also live walking distance from his old house.)We never hear enough about ol' Robert, since we have a museum and galleries and even a whole day and street named after him and his legacy. And also this is coming from a die-hard heavy metal fan.:/ But idk, he's obviously inspired a lot of folks, and his genre defines pretty much how he sings, so I can't rag on him too bad, but it just sorta literally hits home when he gets all this praise and my town (which booed him offstage earlier in his career, mind you) picks up and dedicates shit to him, prying tourists' attention by ridin on his fame.

I find his music causes my ears to bleed, but I also recognize how influential his music was, so "talentless hack" isn't exactly the set of words I'd use.

Viva Bob Dylan! Have you checked out the full Bob Dylan multimedia discography at:

http://www.fuhshnizzle.com/pedia/artists/Bob-Dylan.html

It's got every Bob Dylan release with lyrics, YouTube videos and last.fm wikis! Keep on rockin' in the free world Bob Dylan fans!

Woodsey:
I mean really, that's just ball-tinglingly good.

He has a fucking amazing voice. It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but it gets me harder than anything.

Folk music is the shit, and Dylan is one of the greats.

(Also I saw him live just recently and his voice wasn't that bad.)

Bob Dylan's voice is horrible, but it does suit particular songs such as "Like a Rolling Stone". He is rather a talented songwriter than vocalist. However rumours have emerged that he is a plagiarist but not that I care anyhow... Good songs got to have labels.

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