Can you defend yourself?

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i used to get bullied at school and sometimes when they really were pissing me off i would go berserk. three people my size? no problem

Five guys? Not a chance, you just RUN.

1v1? Idk, I took boxing classes but I've never really fought before and dislike confrontation all together so probably lose.

Not to be that guy but if 5 guys are about to jump me they should be worried about what's strapped to my waist more than I should be running. Not that I wouldn't run but if I was blocked off they'd be staring down the barrel of my handgun.

i am not the person to fight, nor am i physically capable of winning a fight against anyone bigger than me(i am borderline anorexic) but give me a gun of any kind and i could take out a moving target from about 200 meters easily (been shooting at ranges since i was 6, now 19 and i have excellent aim)

Not sure, sometimes (and some people) I feel I could take down with the right frame of mind, maybe even 2 or 3 guys, sometimes I doubt I could handle even one.

I'm not the type for fights, not by nature, not by body-type, but the one time I tried to beat up a guy (and failed), I learned that it very much boils down to the fear of really hurting someone.

In said "fight", I had a real chance to take him down with one hit - he was standing against a wall and if I hit him in the neck, it would be pretty crushing I think, but at the last second, while I was going for the hit, I realized it could hurt him really bad and went for the stomach instead, which did nothing.

That's the point where I realized that most people, even in serious fight, are kind of afraid to hurt their opponent, which is what holds them back. When I theorize a fight, I think that if I was able to let go of this fear (as well as fear of getting hurt), I could do quite a damage even with my brittle build, just hurling my whole bodyweight to people and using it to smash them into obstacles, etc... It seems to me it would give me double advantage - it results in a pretty unconventional "kamikaze" style which most people are probably not really prepared to counter, and it might give one the surprise/shock advantage because of how utterly stupidly aggresive it would be/look like.

That said, I never had a chance to try it out in practice, and I hope I never do (though there is that part that would like to know if I'm at least partially right or I just like to think I am).

P.S. I trained no martial arts or self-defence in my life and what I wrote assumes the opponent(s) didn't either, or they did, but very poorly (as this is the most common case in my country)

Surprisingly to myself, I actually have good surrounding awareness.

Going through High School and College without getting at least one thing thrown at you in that time is nigh impossible, but on several occasions I've caught and dodged things subconsciously even when they weren't in my peripheral vision.

I was also the last person standing in Dodgeball... Always... Lost a lot though because I can't actually catch nor can I throw.

I still don't think I'll be fighting, but I'll at least try and avoid as many bruises as possible.

One-on-one? Probably not.
I'd have a much better chance convincing him not to fight me.

White Lightning:
Yes. The answer to this (and most questions in life) is Guns.

I wish I had a gun so I could shoot people instead of not shooting people.
But seriously, using a firearm as personal protection just doesn't sit well with me.

I live in England so if you do anything to defend yourself you automatically get in more trouble than the person who's attacking you.

Americans have the right idea when it comes to self defense, somebody breaks into your house and you are well within your rights to shoot them in the fucking face.

Backlashboy:
what i mean by this thread is if you had to fight someone for whatever reason do you think you could stand a chance of beating them i do kickboxing and judo but i still feel if i was Surrounded by 5 guys i would get my ass handed too me so is there anything you guys do that would give you an advantage in that kind of Situation?

Your best chance is to hit one of them immediately. HARD. As in, hard enough to break their teeth, jaw, and knock them out hard. Then, move, and keep them pursuing you, and do not allow them to surround you. Hit any that get close enough to you in the throat, eyes, or groin, if possible. Do not stop moving.

You should just run in a situation like that.
I'd have no chance in an actual fight. I'm not physically strong, I've practised fencing, but it's not like those skills would be of any use.

I do tend to carry a knife out of habit, as a tool, but I'd never even think about using it as a weapon, unless I had no other way out. And even then I'd probably end up hurting myself.

A 1 vs 5 fight will, most likely, end with the team of five winning, but if this is not a sports-match like event, it will depends a lot of what those 5 people are after.
Are they trying to intimidate you, or seriously planning to hurt you?

If they aren't expecting to get in a fight, just a little amount of opposition might get them to retreat.
If they are seriously looking to hurt you, though, it doesn't look good.

Martial-arts aren't going to help you much, a real fight is not the same as a 1 on 1 match.

Infernai:
If i was allowed to bring in a sword (Or, in my case, solid wooden sword) then i have a feeling i could probably cave in some skulls rather easily given i've actually managed to get a bit of training in with how to fight with swords.

And if they had swords/weaponry as well?

If we're talking taking weaponry from your house, I'd bring my scythe. (Yeah, we have a scythe, for cutting down long crass)
That, or the billhook.

Then I'd basically hope they'd rather not get too close to any blades, I suppose.

Oh, and allow me to add something else. What I said before ONLY applies if you have no choice. If five people attack you and you have the choice to run, you should. Use your head, and pick them off individually later, if you can. If you cant, I recommend what I said before.

Also, ANYONE who immediately says, "Yeah, I can take five guys, I have training, blah blah.." is full of shit. I have been taking martial arts since I was 12, and I am 41. I got my black belt in kickboxing when I was 19. I am still in shape, I weigh about 215, and I have a pretty well muscled frame. I also have no problem taking someones life if necessary. However, to automatically assume you can take five individuals is folly. You fight hard, you fight dirty, and you fight smart, and hope you survive. Period. Over-confidence can be dangerous, you should never underestimate anyone.

One, no problem, straight up fight.
Two, knock one out with a quick shot and fight the second one.
Three, you start needing a lot of luck to pull that off. If the day is right and they aren't all bigger than you, doable - barely.
Four, you're an idiot to start a fight with that many guys. Run, eh?
Five, just hang yourselves, if you really want to kill yourself.

Oh, and if they have weapons, RUN. Unless it's a one guy, and you're wearing a hardened motorcycle full body armor, which I do, but then - people like that just won't attack you, they're not that stupid to try to fit a knife through a centimeter of hard plastic.
Basically, the message is, ride a sportsbike or a offroad one. Life is just better in every way!

Riff Moonraker:

Also, ANYONE who immediately says, "Yeah, I can take five guys, I have training, blah blah.." is full of shit. I have been taking martial arts since I was 12, and I am 41. I got my black belt in kickboxing when I was 19. I am still in shape, I weigh about 215, and I have a pretty well muscled frame. I also have no problem taking someones life if necessary. However, to automatically assume you can take five individuals is folly. You fight hard, you fight dirty, and you fight smart, and hope you survive. Period. Over-confidence can be dangerous, you should never underestimate anyone.

Yep heres the professional opinion. It is BASICALLY impossible to win a 5 vs 1 scenario, in fact anything greater than a 3 vs 1 scenario because they can surround you. You have two fists and they have 6. Being blind sided or punched from behind in the back of the knee will totally fuck you. Unless they are falling down drunk or you are armed and they are not a 5 vs 1 is instant death even for the best trained person (assuming your assailants are averagely built men). In the event 5 people are determined to hurt and kill you flee. If you cant flee pick the strongest and try and inflict as much damage as viciously and quickly as possible to drive the group away. Gouge eyes if you need to be as animalistic and vicious as possible. And pray you come off as enough of a threat to break their courage to hurt you.

I used to be slightly under average in terms of strength. But a person on this forum asked me quite simply "Why put up with that?". Since then ive been doing 120 reps a day with some dumbbells and im seeing results only a month later. Every 2 days i add 5 reps so hopefully i can build up some more muscle. Id say im on part with your average male my age now. Its helped no end. When im feeling confident enough ill sign up for some self defence training.

Watcheroftrends:
Run. If you are outnumbered, try to run. No matter how trained you are, being outnumbered is essentially a death sentence.

I don't care what techniques you think you know or what stories you've heard - if your attackers are experienced and willing to take your life to get what they want, your odds of walking away from a 2 v 1 are slim and none.

This is generally the best option, but let's assume for the sake of argument that running isn't an option for whatever arbitrary reason you want to come up with, and you're surrounded by 5 guys who may not want to kill you. Maybe you just hit on some guys girlfriend in a bar and he took it a bit too hard and his buddies are there to back him up.

I've had some martial arts training in Tae Kwon Do during high school and Brazilian Jiu Jutsu later on, but the best advice? Fight dirty. My going assumption if five guys are trying to beat the crap out of me is that my life is in danger. Even if their intent isn't to kill me, accidents can and do happen, and are more likely when fists are flying and adrenaline is pumping. So testicles, throats, joints, eyes, doesn't matter. They're all valid targets and if an opportunity presents itself I will punch, kick, break, gauge, etc. any one of them to even the odds. I'd honestly be prepared to kill one or more of my attackers in that situation. Like I said, my life is literally in danger, and I'm not going to hesitate to disable someone as quickly and efficiently as possible. If that means bashing their skull in with a beer mug or stabbing them with something pointy, so be it. Most people will lose their nerve in the face of serious pain or injury anyway.

Funny this topic would come up though. A friend of mine was jumped by three guys several months ago who tried to mug him and running wasn't really an option because by the time he realized something was up they were on him. His reaction was pretty much what mine would be. He wrestled and did BJJ for years so when one tried to sweep him he defended and tossed him then disabled another by punching him hard in the throat. He took some hits and got bloodied up a bit. Actually broke his pinky which he subsequently reset himself before going home to get cleaned up. But he did send the three of them running pretty quickly. Assuming someone isn't mugging you at knife or gun point they're probably looking for an easy mark and weren't ready for someone to put up a pretty viscious fight.

I have a shot gun. Dose that count?

I have some gun related experience, but most of my self defense comes in the form of Jeet Kune Do. I learned it at a young age at the behest of my parents, because they thought I might need to defend myself in high school. I spent a lot of years doing it, so I'm very proficient with the style as a result. Due to that, I'm very confident about my ability to defend myself. :)

Backlashboy:
what i mean by this thread is if you had to fight someone for whatever reason do you think you could stand a chance of beating them i do kickboxing and judo but i still feel if i was Surrounded by 5 guys i would get my ass handed too me so is there anything you guys do that would give you an advantage in that kind of Situation?

This is a hard one to answer. I have been studying various martial arts since I was 8 years old (I am now 30), so I would like to say that I can defend myself. On the other hand, it depends on the situation. If I was surrounded by 5 gentlemen and they were not practiced, I would probably stand a great chance. If I was surrounded by 5 gentlemen and they had ample practice I might be screwed. I have been trained to make numbers an advantage, but there is only so much you can do in a situation like that. Many street toughs are used to fighting in close quarters with a small group, so they have a slight tactical advantage. At the same time, if all they ever fight are people with no self defence practice, they will not have the experience necessary to fight someone like me (or probably like you depending on your training).

I will give you the tip that I was given in my Defensive Tactics course for the FDLE. "If you are being approached by multiple targets with the intent to do grievous bodily harm, fuck the first one up so bad the rest will have to question their dedication to the plan" *Cpt. Mcdonnald* My plan of action is to intercept the first strike destroying the elbow. Then follow up with breaking their knee backwards. If I have enough time, I will finish with a back hand to the rear of their jaw angling forward to dislocate. (though no plan ever lasts once a fight starts)

Quick Edit: My sensei always told me "Do you know the best way to avoid a strike? Don't be there in the first place". Avoiding the fight is often the wiser decision.

I seriously doubt any one of you could take on 3 on one. I got randomly attacked once, and defending a punch while someone else punches you from the side at the SAME EXACT TIME is impossible. Once that punch connects, the other gets an opening too. Then your screwed.

I don't think any of you can actually claim you can take on 2-3 people at once till you actually find yourself in that situation. This is not video game land

BiscuitTrouser:

Riff Moonraker:

Also, ANYONE who immediately says, "Yeah, I can take five guys, I have training, blah blah.." is full of shit. I have been taking martial arts since I was 12, and I am 41. I got my black belt in kickboxing when I was 19. I am still in shape, I weigh about 215, and I have a pretty well muscled frame. I also have no problem taking someones life if necessary. However, to automatically assume you can take five individuals is folly. You fight hard, you fight dirty, and you fight smart, and hope you survive. Period. Over-confidence can be dangerous, you should never underestimate anyone.

Yep heres the professional opinion. It is BASICALLY impossible to win a 5 vs 1 scenario, in fact anything greater than a 3 vs 1 scenario because they can surround you. You have two fists and they have 6. Being blind sided or punched from behind in the back of the knee will totally fuck you. Unless they are falling down drunk or you are armed and they are not a 5 vs 1 is instant death even for the best trained person (assuming your assailants are averagely built men). In the event 5 people are determined to hurt and kill you flee. If you cant flee pick the strongest and try and inflict as much damage as viciously and quickly as possible to drive the group away. Gouge eyes if you need to be as animalistic and vicious as possible. And pray you come off as enough of a threat to break their courage to hurt you.

I used to be slightly under average in terms of strength. But a person on this forum asked me quite simply "Why put up with that?". Since then ive been doing 120 reps a day with some dumbbells and im seeing results only a month later. Every 2 days i add 5 reps so hopefully i can build up some more muscle. Id say im on part with your average male my age now. Its helped no end. When im feeling confident enough ill sign up for some self defence training.

Waiting until you are feeling confident enough, is similar to waiting until you are ready to have children. If you wait until you are ready to have kids, you probably wont ever have any. Throw caution to the wind and go for it! I promise you that it will give you plenty of self confidence. I'm not trying to tell you what to do, dont get me wrong. I just wanted to offer a little advice, because when I first started I had NO self confidence at all. I think you would be doing yourself a great service if you just said the hell with it, and gave it a shot. I dont think you will be disappointed. ;)

Backlashboy:
what i mean by this thread is if you had to fight someone for whatever reason do you think you could stand a chance of beating them i do kickboxing and judo but i still feel if i was Surrounded by 5 guys i would get my ass handed too me so is there anything you guys do that would give you an advantage in that kind of Situation?

Well, my family is heavily involved in organized crime, and I had a very messy upbringing and teenage years....So I've had to defend myself many...many, many times (not all unavoidable situations).

I now teach martial arts and am travelling to China in a year or so when I get the money together for more training.

So I'm pretty sure I can defend myself when the need rears itself.

and don't feel bad for 'potentially' being unable to beat 5 guys in a brawl.
It takes a special kind of animal to pull that off in most instances, which you don't really want to be; as well as 5 guys is ALWAYS a challenge... So many factors involved, and I've met with masters of TKD and guys who've been practicing karate and the likes for 6,7+ years who got their asses handed to them by just 2 guys.

Backlashboy:
what i mean by this thread is if you had to fight someone for whatever reason do you think you could stand a chance of beating them i do kickboxing and judo but i still feel if i was Surrounded by 5 guys i would get my ass handed too me so is there anything you guys do that would give you an advantage in that kind of Situation?

Fight someone? Hell yea, I'd be fine against most anyone.

Surrounded by 5 guys? Nnnnot so much.

That's a tall order for anyone, even highly trained fighters. I certainly wouldn't make it easy one them, but I dunno. Numbers usually win out.

10+ years of Jiu Jitsu and a little Muay Thai.

Zeckt:
I seriously doubt any one of you could take on 3 on one. I got randomly attacked once, and defending a punch while someone else punches you from the side at the SAME EXACT TIME is impossible. Once that punch connects, the other gets an opening too. Then your screwed.

I don't think any of you can actually claim you can take on 2-3 people at once till you actually find yourself in that situation. This is not video game land

It depends on the experience level of those involved, but the general tactic for multiple people is to use one person as a shield/battering ram to try to separate them enough to get away. You don't want to stick the fight out if you don't have to. Get the hell away as soon as possible. If you are in the situation though utilize an arm bar and centrifugal force to turn one person into a defensive weapon. Idealy you will manage to get one of them separated enough to get a strike or two in (preferably for the knees) before the fight resumes in earnest.

That being said, you are 100% right. The best bet when fighting multiple people (you don't know how much experience they have) is to run away or give them what they want. Many people who practice martial arts think they know how to fight, and it is a fallacy. Experience is more important than training any day of the week. One might argue that you spar in training and that will work like practice, but unless it is full contact no holds barred, the sparing isn't going to work the same way experience does. Odds are if 5 guys are jumping you for something, they have probably done this before.

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Zeckt:
I don't think any of you can actually claim you can take on 2-3 people at once till you actually find yourself in that situation. This is not video game land

Yes well, as a matter of fact, I did take on two people at once and won. Put both of them in the hospital too. To be fair though, both underestimated me and weren't expecting me to fight back, so I got quite a starting shot (between the legs).

It depends, is there a staff/staff like object anywhere near that I could realistically obtain? Usually I carry some sort of walking stick incase but realistically? If I have my walking stick, or there is an obtainable staff than yeah, I stand at a pretty big advantage. Also my teeth are sharp, and I have no problems with biting the shit out of people, so if worst comes to worst I would just go Dracula on them.

I gotta tell you, the vast majority of very high level martial artists would get their asses handed to them if 5 people went up against them at the same time. It's time to stop pretending that martial arts are superpowers.

I could kick them in the balls and I could do it all day.

Most likely I would run for my god damn life, but if I had to I could use my boney knucles and my teeth to give them a bad day atleast.

Against five guys? I would most likely lose. I used to carry a knife around, but now I don't as much anymore. I started carrying a knife in highschool/middleschool, but after I graduated I slowly stopped, but still carry it around if I am downtown late at night after a concert or something.

But yeah, like I said, I would most likely run. I am a fast sprinter and haven't really met many that could catch me. Meaning I am faster than the average human.

Also, go for the bollocks and eyes first, always.

Backlashboy:
i do kickboxing and judo but i still feel if i was Surrounded by 5 guys i would get my ass handed too me...

Good. Go with that thought.

A really good friend of mine (who was also one of my muay thai instructors) tells a story about being jumped one evening while sitting on his front porch. He was just hanging out, drinking a few brews and playing guitar when four guys mugged him.

Now this friend is very skilled and has won a bunch of regional titles and trophies. I've seen him fight and sparred with him many times (and I still sport a bruise from one of his leg kicks).

And he got his clock cleaned.

He says he got a couple of shots in before someone hit him from behind and...as Monty Python might say...the beatings began.

His story is a cautionary tale.

I've trained in several martial arts over the past couple of decades (mauy thai being the most recent) and I can handle myself in a fight.

But if I'm up against more than two attackers, my strategy is the Three D's: Diplomacy, Delay and Dash!

Try to talk your way out of it, stall for time until you can find the exits and then just beat feet.

This one time in elementary school I took on five kids at once, so I'd say I could defend myself against anyone under the age of 10.

Zeckt:
I seriously doubt any one of you could take on 3 on one. I got randomly attacked once, and defending a punch while someone else punches you from the side at the SAME EXACT TIME is impossible. Once that punch connects, the other gets an opening too. Then your screwed.

I don't think any of you can actually claim you can take on 2-3 people at once till you actually find yourself in that situation. This is not video game land

Actually some of us legitimately can claim that. I've been in such situations. I've been trained to fight for the past 9 years, and multiple times been put in a sparring match of 3v1 to even 7v1(not fun). Also a group of like 4-5(can't specifically remember which) tried to mug me a year ago and I took them all on, and won. Though unfortunately I broke my walking stick in the process.

I'm quite a small lady and I don't have a lot of strength so I don't think I could defend myself from a lot of people.
But probably from one person.
Because I fight dirty.

Nouw:
I've never had to defend myself so I can't answer; I like to think I can but you never know until you're actually in a situation where you have to fight. I'm seriously considering taking Krav Maga so I'm sure that'll help me defend myself.

There's a lot of this in my thinking. Except for the Krav Maga part.

However, I'm confident I could ensure I will always be remembered by at least one of my attackers, with them never able to run again and all (perhaps even walk if I get the opportunity).

I don't like fighting, I would prefer to talk them down.

If they want to fight, I'm good 1v1, I have hidden rage...dunno how that will work or help.
If there was more then 1 I would run...unless I had a sword or gun of course.

Other then that, I would prefer to keep things calm and not fight.

Backlashboy:
what i mean by this thread is if you had to fight someone for whatever reason do you think you could stand a chance of beating them i do kickboxing and judo but i still feel if i was Surrounded by 5 guys i would get my ass handed too me so is there anything you guys do that would give you an advantage in that kind of Situation?

Realistically, you're unlikely to walk out of a situation like that no matter how well trained you are. There are some things you can do to improve your odds, yes, but they're still pretty slim.

I'd probably be screwed, but I would try and keep to the outside of the "pack," use their own bodies against each other (limiting thenumber of people within reach is really useful) and...Well, if running is an option, I would run. Probably the best thing I learned from Martial Arts: sometimes it's better to run.

Having been short and fat during elementary and high-school I have been in my fair share of fights, plus adding domestic abuse on top of that my only chance was to grow tough and strong. However I believe that fighting should always be used as a last resort, I find it better to make aggressors back down via intimidation. Failing that you should run if you're outnumbered (even 2 on 1 is bad news). If push comes to shove I can manage up to three guys if I can keep them all in front of me, but it wouldn't be easy. If you're surrounded by five people you're not winning that fight unless something extraordinary happens... or you're a shaolin monk.

I've never "lost" a fight in the way that I was worse off than my opponent, I generally walk away without much need of medical assistance outside painkillers a bandaid and bedrest... That said, though I have trained in a variety of combat styles, I'm no master, and when I fight, I fight dirty, and I tend to use what I know to inflict the most harm to a person within reason that I can, I aim for balls solar plexus eyes and throat, if someone wants to kill me, it's adviseable to use a firearm from a distance, as I fight with the tenacity, ferocity, and rage of a cornered rabid grizzly, I am semi-suicidal, I don't care about death, I have little to live for, and as an exploratory person I'm kinda intrigued to see how it feels, and what it's like, to die...

I am not however going to kill myself pre-maturely, as there is too much to explore and see and experience while alive, and will fight, and struggle to the end...

Against 5 guys I estimate, that until one of them got behind me, I may be able to cripple or severely wound 2-3 of them before I had to bail or was overcome... if I had a baseball bat or a table leg or something, then it may turn out differently, as I tend to hit really hard with blunt implements, I broke apart a wooden shed at someone's request in a couple hours using nothing but an old dented aluminum baseball bat, which by the end of it, didn't really look like a baseball bat anymore, was kinda bent.

However, I tend to avoid such situations with my ability to talk people down, and make allies easily, every time I've lived in a bad neighbourhood, I've acted as something of a community diplomat, and have been on the good side of most if not all of the more dangerous people in the area, I don't choose sides, and tend not to associate directly with groups/gangs or authorities, but when it comes down to it, I also am not disposed to share information on anyone with anyone else, and as such, lemme just say, one day, I gave relationship advice to a Biker who recently got out of jail, and was trying to patch stuff up with his girl, met up with a bro of mine who was a dealer at the time, and smoked a joint with him and shot the shit for a couple hours, and ended up wandering onto the nearby reserve and having a beer with some of my native homies, in the 4 years that I lived in that area, known for crime and violence, I never had to fight, nobody wanted to hurt me, and I was poor as dirt, so nobody ever saw me as a mark to rob or mug.

I prefer diplomacy over violence, but my hands/feet/elbows/knees/forhead are all perfectly comfortable dispensing blunt trauma when need be, I just, prefer harmony and brotherhood over violence and dissorder...

Also being how the legal system in Canada is, I'd prefer not to fight if I can avoid it, as self defence in some cases will land you in jail for the same time penalty as the guy who attacked you in the first place, especially if you're armed with anything other than your hands, or have any high level martial arts training.

Also, advice for would be brawlers, never get a black belt in any martial art unless you want to be immediately in the wrong in the eyes of a courtroom if you get in a legal battle over a violent confrontation, and dont carry a knife(unless you're well trained with it, otherwise you may end up being stabbed with it yourself) or gun(unless allowed through a concealled carry permit where available) obvious reasons.
That or just prepare yourself for the worst, but walk a path of peace, and diplomacy, and you'll probably be fine, or at least have backup to fight alongside you, should shit hit the fan.

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