I have never raged/facepalmed so hard in my life

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Okay so I just saw

video of these two kids explaining why metal/rock music is talentless crap that's too loud and doesn't have any meaning to it. I have never been so annoyed by something in my life.

They saw that all you need to for metal or rock is just know how to strum a guitar while rap takes talent to rhyme?????

Anyway, what do you guys think of this? I mean I do like some rap artists but i am a metalhead and rocker true and true. Also as a guitar/bass player it is not easy to just "strum" a guitar and sound good.

I've just got to wonder... How exactly did you happen upon this video?

Were you deliberately searching for videos that would make you rage? Did someone send you this video so that you can share in their rage? And, why are posting this video here? To allow others to share your rage?

As for the video itself... Too long, Didn't watch.
I view metal, rock, rap and pretty much every form of music the same; There's some stuff I like and there's a huge amount of shit I don't.

They're kids.

They have little education on the topic they are discussing.

You are being trolled.

Calm down, and stop letting people on youtube get to you.

Shadowstar38:
You are being trolled.

Calm down, and stop letting people on youtube get to you.

All there is to this topic, really.

And seriously - did you really see a video with a flamebite title, which you knew would enrage you, and watched through the whole ten minutes of it? Dude, you just...I think you really did work hard for that facepalm you did. I'd only consider watching it if it was, like 1 minute. Maybe 2. I can't be bothered if it was any longer. Certainly wouldn't when it not only looks like a flamebite but you're a proof it is.

DoPo:

Shadowstar38:
You are being trolled.

Calm down, and stop letting people on youtube get to you.

All there is to this topic, really.

And seriously - did you really see a video with a flamebite title, which you knew would enrage you, and watched through the whole ten minutes of it? Dude, you just...I think you really did work hard for that facepalm you did. I'd only consider watching it if it was, like 1 minute. Maybe 2. I can't be bothered if it was any longer. Certainly wouldn't when it not only looks like a flamebite but you're a proof it is.

Yeah OP, DoPo and Shadowstar38 pretty much beat me to it. You're also on YouTube, what I like to call one of the stupidity hives of the Internet. Just don't let it get to you. I can understand as I'm a violinist attempting metal songs. Yes, you read that correctly. So don't let it get to you and move on.

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Imagine if we tried getting all of the news networks to get a taste of unconventional culture...

chuckey:
Okay so I just saw why metal/rock music is talentless crap that's too loud and doesn't have any meaning to it..

On the whole that sounds about right.

ITT: the OP is introduced to cultural bias for the first time and doesn't understand.

rap does take talent though....and I'm sure those kids were pissed off after having rock/metal elitists constantly say rap requires no talent

I know I would be

chuckey:
Okay so I just saw

video of these two kids explaining why metal/rock music is talentless crap that's too loud and doesn't have any meaning to it. I have never been so annoyed by something in my life.

They saw that all you need to for metal or rock is just know how to strum a guitar while rap takes talent to rhyme?????

Anyway, what do you guys think of this? I mean I do like some rap artists but i am a metalhead and rocker true and true. Also as a guitar/bass player it is not easy to just "strum" a guitar and sound good.

I like how you get mad at them for having an negative OPINION on metal/rock bands , then take a jab a rappers . Hypocrit.

OT: All music takes talent , duh . People just tend to insult whatever they aren't into . I HATE metal music , but i realise the talent it takes to actually play a guitar that fuxking fast . If a normal person does it their hands will probably bleed . I can't stand the screamig though . As for rap music , the rhyming in sync to music takes a lot of talent , especially freestyling requires vocabulary , but most ofthen than not the subject matter is questionable , to each their own .

krazykidd:
I can't stand the screaming though

Gah. I know it's not the focus of the topic, but I just hate this stereotype. Not all metal is screamed; of the several hundred metal albums I own, only a handful use harsh vocals. Most of them have singers, highly theatrical singers with huge ranges at that.

Sorry if that came off as aggressive at all, it just frustrates me for some reason.

As long as I'm being a cunt, it should also be pointed out that a lot of metal is actually very, very slow :p

krazykidd:

I like how you get mad at them for having an negative OPINION on metal/rock bands , then take a jab a rappers . Hypocrit.

OT: All music takes talent , duh . People just tend to insult whatever they aren't into . I HATE metal music , but i realise the talent it takes to actually play a guitar that fuxking fast . If a normal person does it their hands will probably bleed . I can't stand the screamig though . As for rap music , the rhyming in sync to music takes a lot of talent , especially freestyling requires vocabulary , but most ofthen than not the subject matter is questionable , to each their own .

are you drunk? you usually have less typoes XD

but your right, people like to claim what they don't like "isn't music", as for rap even its good enough I can accept stupid subject matter

I got to the part where one of them said "all you gotta know is how to strum your guitar and make all the different kinds of sounds" and then stopped watching, because yeah being an open-heart surgeon is easy all you gotta know is what everything in the body does and how to wire it

I'm sure everyone has already pointed this out to you, but you're being a bit of a wally. Clearly you can tell from the title it would piss you off. As a metalhead myself I can totally see how wrong it is, but having talked to quite a few people in my time alive, I am very aware that people have some misconceptions about it. There's no point in getting all pissy every time someone is wrong about something.

I don't know who is worse, the troll or the person who falls for the troll. The escapist is starting to convince me its the latter

Can't we all just get along?

I like "Dragonforce" and Azealia Banks the same.

"As I Lay Dying" and Kanye West are about the same quality.

Both genres have their odd ones, like "Attack Attack!" alongside "Die Antwoord".

And both have their abominations, like "Anal C**t", or Soulja Boy.

Why can't we have both?

I don't think genres of music have their own volume levels. You just play them louder if you like them.
Either way, all I can say is that everyone is entitled to make an argument, and from what I learned in Rhetoric, these guys are doing it right. They start off with their thesis, they examine the other viewpoints potentially voiced by their opponents, and they even concede to some faults in their argument, like when they explain that they are not supporting mainstream rap and the false stereotypes associated with it.
However, I find that the same things they say about rap should have been applied to metal. Perhaps they should have thought about the difference between 'mainstream' metal and some of the 'older stuff'. Perhaps they should have accepted that the same stereotypes they seek to tear down in rap were left intact in their examination of metal. Unfortunately, I believe this will all be taken as a troll, and there will never be a chance to counter-argue in a civilized manner. I can only hope that someone can explain to these people the value of making friends and accepting others, rather than condemning people and causing anger.

Vault101:
rap does take talent though...

Good rap does, anyway... Just regular rap does not. Remember, this is the genre that gave us Soulja boy. :P

OT: It's a troll video; what more do you expect? With a title like that, it is damn hard for it to be anything else.

All kinds of music takes a talent or feel of some kind. Everyone's opinions just differ on what is good talent and good feel.

I don't think the kids were trolling people for one reason: the description reads "Sugarspook45's video "Why metal and rock is stupid and talentless" He removed the video from his channel, so i re-uploaded it." This shows that he genuinely thinks what he said and was overwhelmed by the negative response so he just removed it.

And yeah, the kid is dumb. He obviously knows nothing at all about rock/metal and seems to think that appearance is everything. He brought up the guy with "50 piercings on his face"; maybe he also listens to smooth jazz. I wear button down shirts almost every day and I listen to jazz, classical, indie rock, a bit of alternative, classic rock and metal. Everyone of his arguments against rock/metal is invalid.

I will say this, rap does take talent. I'm no good at it and most of my friends are awful at it to so it obviously takes work. The same is true with metal. If he went and picked up a guitar for the first time, he would have no idea what to do. How to tune it, how to strum or how to make chords. He wouldn't be able to play the solo from "A Gunshot to the Head of Trepidation" right away, much the same way that I can't instantly make a hip-hop beat. That's another one of his arguments. If you take any musician out of their confort zone they will have trouble.

I'm just going to leave it at that because it's late and I'm tired.

They're kids. Most kids don't know jack shit about music and if it's plainly obvious that they're full of shit then you can probably just close the video and move on with your life.

Vault101:

krazykidd:

I like how you get mad at them for having an negative OPINION on metal/rock bands , then take a jab a rappers . Hypocrit.

OT: All music takes talent , duh . People just tend to insult whatever they aren't into . I HATE metal music , but i realise the talent it takes to actually play a guitar that fuxking fast . If a normal person does it their hands will probably bleed . I can't stand the screamig though . As for rap music , the rhyming in sync to music takes a lot of talent , especially freestyling requires vocabulary , but most ofthen than not the subject matter is questionable , to each their own .

are you drunk? you usually have less typoes XD

but your right, people like to claim what they don't like "isn't music", as for rap even its good enough I can accept stupid subject matter

All i got to say is :" WOOHOO someone noticed me!".Even if it's for being notorious for making typoes, it's better than not bein noticed at all ( i'm so lonely ) . I learned to read from jrpgs , blame squaresoft. And at the time of writing that post i have been drinking.

ScrabbitRabbit:

krazykidd:
I can't stand the screaming though

Gah. I know it's not the focus of the topic, but I just hate this stereotype. Not all metal is screamed; of the several hundred metal albums I own, only a handful use harsh vocals. Most of them have singers, highly theatrical singers with huge ranges at that.

Sorry if that came off as aggressive at all, it just frustrates me for some reason.

As long as I'm being a cunt, it should also be pointed out that a lot of metal is actually very, very slow :p

Yeah i know not all metal music has screaming . But it's what is most associated to that perticular type of music unfortunately . Like rap, people assume all rap music is about bitches and hoes and saying n***a a lot . Hell my favorite rapper is Eminem and he doesn't use the word n***a at all ! Mostly because he can't due to being white , but that's a minor detail

Edit: I got a minor peeve with songs with lyrics that i can't understand without looking them up . That includes but is not limited to reggae , rappers that rap too fast (*cough*Twista*cough*) and screaming metal music .

I stopped watching when the 11 year old started talking about underground/classical rap from back in the day.

I find it funny that he thinks it's wrong to judge rap as a genre based on what mainstream rap is like, and then proceeds to judge rock/metal as a genre based entirely on mainstream rock.

DugMachine:
They're kids. Most kids don't know jack shit about music and if it's plainly obvious that they're full of shit then you can probably just close the video and move on with your life.

I agree they are just kids they will likely see this video when they are older and laugh at themselves.

If a YouTube video featuring two random kids giving their musical opinion is the thing that has made you rage most in your life, then I would say that you have not experienced much that life has to offer. If you happen to be over 10 year old, I would say that this is a problem you should be addressing. If you happen to be over 20, something has gone seriously wrong. If you happen to be over 30, I would encourage you to find a way to live before you die, and assure you that although you've lost a lot of time, it's not too late.

BreakfastMan:

Vault101:
rap does take talent though...

Good rap does, anyway... Just regular rap does not. Remember, this is the genre that gave us Soulja boy. :P

Same can be said about a lot of metal. You could make the argument that they have to play their own instruments, but learning the basics and then writing something simple from that does not take all that music musical skill. Most rappers have to at least try to write rhymes, a lot the time metal/rock musicians just base their work on someone else's, cover it up with a small change of riffs and call it a day.
Just to note, this is coming from someone who listens to both Metal and Hip Hop.

krazykidd:

Yeah i know not all metal music has screaming . But it's what is most associated to that perticular type of music unfortunately .

I'm sorry but I take issue with this. Why? Almost all the iconic metal bands that most people know don't do that. I.E Megadeath, Metallica, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath. Also I don't know what is "popular" right now but I think "Disturbed" is, or the last time I checked, and the lead singer doesn't scream.

I could understand if a Vocal minority was like that, but it's not. The majority of Metal bands, and the majority of well-known Metal bands don't do that.

It's like if I asked you what do you think of when you think of Earth? And you answered "platinum group metals." Sure I guess you could think that, but why? For one thing it's not that common. For another it's a bit to specific.

McMullen:
If a YouTube video featuring two random kids giving their musical opinion is the thing that has made you rage most in your life, then I would say that you have not experienced much that life has to offer. If you happen to be over 10 year old, I would say that this is a problem you should be addressing. If you happen to be over 20, something has gone seriously wrong. If you happen to be over 30, I would encourage you to find a way to live before you die, and assure you that although you've lost a lot of time, it's not too late.

Seconded.

Hell, I'm PRONE to rage and look for reasons to fight, but over a couple of ignorant children? No. Even my eagerness to vent is not touched by this.

Eddie the head:

krazykidd:

Yeah i know not all metal music has screaming . But it's what is most associated to that perticular type of music unfortunately .

I'm sorry but I take issue with this. Why? Almost all the iconic metal bands that most people know don't do that. I.E Megadeath, Metallica, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath. Also I don't know what is "popular" right now but I think "Disturbed" is, or the last time I checked, and the lead singer doesn't scream.

I could understand if a Vocal minority was like that, but it's not. The majority of Metal bands, and the majority of well-known Metal bands don't do that.

It's like if I asked you what do you think of when you think of Earth? And you answered "platinum group metals." Sure I guess you could think that, but why? For one thing it's not that common. For another it's a bit to specific.

Be that as it may , but screaming is what most people ( that don't listen to metal ) will associate metal music with . But that's what a stereotype is . I'm not saying you are wrong , you are most likely right , but it is what it is . For better or worst.

WHo could take it seriously anyway? They're essentially the old man shouting at dem kids to get offa' his lawn.

Re-dub the video with ten minutes of the Trololol song.

The effects are the same and if anything, It wold be greatly improved.

krazykidd:

Be that as it may , but screaming is what most people ( that don't listen to metal ) will associate metal music with . But that's what a stereotype is . I'm not saying you are wrong , you are most likely right , but it is what it is . For better or worst.

How do you know this? Like I stated the Iconic ones are not that way. The popular ones are not that way. And most of them are not that way. I don't have facts on this, and I don't think you do. But the public consciousness can't be like that, it would make no sense.

Why do you think people would think this way? Everything that they are exposed to about it is the opposite of what you are stating. Unless you have something that shows otherwise, you're kind of talking out your ass. And no I am not saying that I have all the facts, I am saying all the facts that I do have lead me to think that that's not true.

Look all you have said is that "Most people" think this way because they do. I may have not made a grate argument, but it's better then "I have no facts, but this is how people think."

Omg I am like raging so hard right now. Arghhhhhh. So angry. How dare they.

They were discussing their opinion that metal does not have any meaning, is too loud and takes no skill. It sounds to me as if those kids are just being kids, their group of friends likes rap so they feel the need to stand up and be counted amongst their fellow listeners by trying to get back at another group who apparently does not like the music they do. an eye for an eye and all that.

In all fairness im only posting here because I noticed the thread was loosely based on rap and I happen to know an awesome video to show how rap ought to be done.

http://youtu.be/ImnPUHowdBk

Well... Some metal, especially some Screamo stuff, is an incomprehensible mess with very little talent on show and some metal is fucking amazing... The same goes for Rock, Rap, Pop, Punk, Dubstep, Techno, Industrial, Blues, Soul and etc. In the end it also comes alot sown to personal preference...

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