Is your virginity worth saving?
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I'll say no, for many reasons I'll try to explain.

I don't think virginity is a thing really. A social concept maybe, but not a thing. And I don't believe society should have anything to do with what you do with your own body.
I don't think sex is that much of a big deal, but the first time you do it should be, on a personal level. I myself am a virgin atm, but I am looking forward to loosing it, and I'm not going to wait until marrige if I can help it!
Also, since marrige has come up, I really think that waiting until the wedding night is... na´ve to say the least. If you marry someone you do it because you love them (I hope) and you know them like you know yourself (I hope). So why wuoldn't you want to know everything about your partner, including their sexual preferences? And your own? Seriously, what if one of you turn out to have a really far out fetish that the other is repulsed by? Smaller things can create a rift between couples. Not saying that you can't work it out, it just feels like it would cause uneccessary troubled between the "happy" couple.

I read a book where the main character said something I think explains my feelings about virginity, let's see if I can remember it...

"It was then that she realised that she was a virgin. She had slept with many men throughout her life, but she had never once made love."

Not an exact quote, but good enough. My point is, it's you and your partner who makes it special, not your previous experiences of lack therof.

Captcha: Do it now! xD

Honestly the question seems rather odd on the face of it, I mean sex is sex, it is fun, generally shared between two consenting adults.

If I ended up in a committed relationship with a woman who I 'loved' and I wasn't able to satisfy her because I hadn't been playing the field for the preceding years of my life, surely that would be worse?

the whole concept of virginity as being some sort of valuable thing rather than a definition of the status of your sex life is entirely backwards, and a holdover from religious times, I think that for the most part the human race has outgrown those sorts of superstitious approaches to the act of getting it on.

I think however that it is worth noting that the way you have framed it in the original post: similar to a Christmas present, speaks volumes to the way in which you as an individual perceive the act of sex, as some form of gift that you need to wait for and receive when the time is right, which is fair enough, I know others with similar ideas about it, hell between 12 and 15 I thought like that, however sooner or later you will probably end up with someone you like and it happens naturally, because that is what we, as humans do to relax; we screw, and we enjoy it.

tl;dr: enjoy yourself, you have no reason not to, sex is not going to change who you are as a person, but it will add something to do with your time that you can enjoy with another adult

There is nothing wrong with saving your virginity, it may not be right for the times, but fuck the times. If you want to hold out for marriage, or the right person, or just don't want to have sex yet then don't have it. It's not like 25% of the Us doesn't have herpes.

White Lightning:
What's with all the weird ass characters in your post? Like... I just don't understand.

hes probably using some untraditional browser that does not use UTF.

Virginity is just a word we use to define people who never had sex. For woman there is a biological condition that changes afterwards, for men there isnt. but neither are important. infact, most women claim that they feel much better after the change.
Itsl ike saying "is red worth saving". red is definition of a type of colour. it doesnt have a "worth saving" or "not worth saving". its just a definition of condition.

I didn't lose mine till I was 21. I was saving myself till I found someone special that I'd want to marry, but not saving myself till marriage. I believe you need to "test the waters" before making a big decision like marriage and that includes seeing how the sex is.

I will say while some women found a 20 year old virgin insanely attractive. Its really not worth it. I just seem to have issues with sex because I never had to work for it. At 21 she was practically giving it away so all I had to do was go for it. No work involved, no late night dreams about doing it I just did it when I wanted it. So I have very little interests in boobs or spooning.

I guess you could say I'm spoiled rotten... some how.

BangSmashBoom:
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Personally, it'd be nice to save it for someone I truly cared about, however I disagree with waiting till marriage. Actually, I don't like the idea of marriage at all, it doesn't make sense to me.

On the other hand though, I'm pretty bored of masturbating now and I really do feel like I'm missing out. They say that virginity is only a big deal until you lose it, but they also say that the grass is much greener on the other side and it's looking pretty darn green to me right now. Somebody needs to have a word with this 'they' about being so damn contradictory!
"on the other hand..." that's just terrible, please forgive me!

It's a pretty loaded question that I don't think can be as clear cut as a definite yes or no.

I myself was always thinking that I was going to save it for someone special. Then when I lost it, I didn't even get the girl I slept withs name. I never once regretted it and while I'll probably remember it for a long time it doesn't bring me any sadness that it wasn't with the love of my life, quite the contrary actually, because I'm now no longer worried about how to do this or what if I can't find the the hole, or all the other questions guys and more in particular virgins (I sure know I did) tend to ask themselves. All those wild scenarios that go through your head where you've got no idea what to do, well, they've all vanished for me.

On the other side of the coin, I can entirely see why someone would want to save their sex for someone special. I find it a very intimate and personal thing to share with someone, exploring each others bodies and all that. Through my experience with sex, it means so incredibly much more if you are emotionally invested as well as physically attracted to the person you're about to make love to. So I would never, ever consider thinking less about someone because they feel like they want to save themselves for a certain someone. I have the utmost respect for them.

In short, I don't see virginity as a big thing, regardless of gender. But I completely understand and respect people's morals and wishes to save themselves for a very significant other. I honestly couldn't vote either way in the poll, so I left my box un-ticked :)

This gave me a good laugh, didn't realise in this day and age this view was still around.

Sex is a pleasureable activity you do with someone you find attractive and you trust. Certainly wait to find a good partner, but dont wait til marriage to give it a go. You don't know what your missing, because its just grand.
And when your not getting it anymore for a period of time and then get some again, its fucking unbelieveabley fantasticly fantastic. but again you won't know if you dont try. Drop your old school views on such an outdated concept, just do it safe.

BangSmashBoom:
Do YOU personally feel that your virginity is worth saving, and why?

Nah, sex just a physical act to me like kissing. It's the emotional stuff that makes a relationship special to me I wasn't even going out with the girl I lost mine to, and the girl I felt the closest to in a relationship we broke up before ever having sex.

I was also wondering if you guys also feel that most wives would appreciate the fact that their husbands saved their virginity for them as a gift to her of loyalty, patience and self-disciple;

Maybe, they'll probably also appreciate an orgasm on their wedding night though.

and same for the husbands appreciating the fact that his wife saved her virginity for him as a gift as well.

But it wasn't for them, it was for some hypothetical husband. If it was for them they could have sex before marriage.

if you have sex before you're married, you're cheating on the one that God has planned for you.

Like above, why does it matter if you have sex before or after marriage as long as it's the same person?

I'm not saving my virginity; nobody wants it.

Anyway, I don't believe it's worth saving. Like countless other before me have said, physical intimacy and sexual compatibility are quite important in a relationship. I'd believe just about anything before I'd believe in anything religion-related.

BangSmashBoom:
Me and my family have a saying, Marriage and Christmas have a few things in common, unwrapping your present before the big special day is a VERY BAD IDEA!... Do YOU personally feel that your virginity is worth saving, and why?

No, because sexuality is a key aspect of any functional romantic relationship, of any functional human being, and waiting until marriage to gain sexual experience (let alone sexual experience with the person you're intending to marry) is like waiting for the day orf your license test to get experience driving - its a bad idea, and it will probably lead to your failure in the test at hand.

Same goes for marriage: marrying someone, only to find that you don't share sexual interests or are outright not sexually compatible, is pretty much a worst-case scenario to my reckoning.
Furthermore, your belief that your chosen deity-figure is specifically choosing a mate for you is a rather dangerous viewpoint in my opinion, as it implies that any behavior on the part of your companion which you don't agree with (or which doesn't fall into the dogma of your chosen deity-figure) will be your companion's fault, because they aren't adhering to "God's plan"... which, to my mind, doesn't sound particularly sane.

Sex is like ice cream, in that there are many MANY flavors, and not everyone enjoys them all or enjoys some at all times; thus, if you're into chocolate, you shouldn't assume that the person you're with will be a chocolate lover because your chosen deity shall will it to be so.
And if they aren't, which is entirely possible, your relationship probably isn't as meant-to-be as you believe.
That being the case, its clearly wise to know what flavors you like before trying to find someone to share that flavor with forever.

tl;dr: Jumping into long term commitment without any sexual experience and/or knowing your - and your partner's - sexual tastes is, generally, a very bad idea.

BangSmashBoom:
I was also wondering if you guys also feel that most wives would appreciate the fact that ...

To my reckoning, that's a pretty crappy gift, for the reasons I noted above.
From a personal perspective, I wouldn't view someone's virginity as a "gift of loyalty, patience and self-disciple"; but, rather, I would view it as a sign that said person has missed out on exploring a very basic aspect of who they are... and I would be worried, because anyone who hasn't taken the time to explore that aspect of themselves likely isn't a prime candidate for life-long (or even long term) devotion to a sexual partner.

As a man, I wouldn't take my future-wife's being a virgin as a good thing, and I certainly wouldn't be open to marrying her before exploring her sexual tastes to at least a precursory degree - regardless of how much I loved her, I wouldn't be willing to take steps towards a long term legal/social joining without knowing her sexual tastes (which she can't even know herself without some degree of sexual experience).

tl;dr: Marrying a virgin really isn't appealing to me - and I don't really understand why it would be to anyone else.

BangSmashBoom:
Last thing where I come from, we believe that fornication is just as bad as Adultery, don't ask me why, I didn't write the Bible....

I don't really have anything nice to say with regards to this last bit.
I don't believe in "Gods".
I don't believe the Bible is anything more than a book written by men in a time before humans had any degree of knowledge about the world around them, used to drive fear into the hearts of their followers and then exploit that fear for their own earthly-gain.
And I certainly don't believe there is a deity-being observing my every action and judging me for it, with secret plans to provide me a "perfect mate" if I do what Sky-Dad says is right.

What I can say is that while I respect your beliefs in the context of being your beliefs, I find them wildly outdated and they couldn't be further from my own personal beliefs.

Losing your virginity is worth saving for someone you love and loves you in return, as it could quite easily turn into a bad/humiliating experience otherwise.

I don't think it's a good idea to wait for marriage though, for a number of reasons.
I mean, do you want to be finding out your sexual preference after you're married, explaining to your new husband/wife that you might be gay is an awkward conversation.

If I voted yes, but I am not a virgin, am I contradicting myself?

if you save yourself until marriage, the first time you sleep with the only person you'll be sleep with for the rest of your life, it will be disappointing for them. because you're a goddamn VIRGIN. virgins, are not known for their sexual talents. and, i would find it way creepy if i was my spouse's first sexual experience because people tend to idealize the person they lost their virginity with and i would much prefer to be married to someone who does not idealize me at all. unless you see a real, flesh-and-blood woman with flaws and selfish tendencies when you look at me, you don't actually love ME, you love this goddess that doesn't actually exist and that's way to much pressure to bring into a marriage and expect me to lice with forever.

what i did, and what i believe is the best thing for anyone to do, is to ditch your virginity with a more sexually experienced friend who cares about you and is clean, because they're patient enough to go a few rounds so you get the basics, but there's an understanding going in that you're just having sex and it's not weird later. then you know what to expect, you have an idea of what you're doing, and if you then want to stop until marriage you at least won't be a sad little spectacle on the wedding night. but i find that as long as you practice safe sex there is absolutely no reason to deny yourself sex when you want it. that's just unhealthy.

Mr. Goldchain:
If I voted yes, but I am not a virgin, am I contradicting myself?

Only if you enjoyed it.

eh i am into doing with people who you are in love with buisness
but if your into saving it
or just having sex with anyone, i am not gonna knock your hustle
just when you try to explain it to me don't expect me to understand, ya know.

Divine Miss Bee:
if you save yourself until marriage, the first time you sleep with the only person you'll be sleep with for the rest of your life, it will be disappointing for them. because you're a goddamn VIRGIN. virgins, are not known for their sexual talents. and, i would find it way creepy if i was my spouse's first sexual experience because people tend to idealize the person they lost their virginity with and i would much prefer to be married to someone who does not idealize me at all. unless you see a real, flesh-and-blood woman with flaws and selfish tendencies when you look at me, you don't actually love ME, you love this goddess that doesn't actually exist and that's way to much pressure to bring into a marriage and expect me to lice with forever.

what i did, and what i believe is the best thing for anyone to do, is to ditch your virginity with a more sexually experienced friend who cares about you and is clean, because they're patient enough to go a few rounds so you get the basics, but there's an understanding going in that you're just having sex and it's not weird later. then you know what to expect, you have an idea of what you're doing, and if you then want to stop until marriage you at least won't be a sad little spectacle on the wedding night. but i find that as long as you practice safe sex there is absolutely no reason to deny yourself sex when you want it. that's just unhealthy.

that be your opinion there laddy
don't brush them off as unhealthy
accept their differences

I would say, firstly, do not sleep with someone you don't trust because you need to 'lose your virginity' like all your friends. I would say hold off until you're 17 or 18 and at least mostly mature enough to deal with it, not out of any special concept of the value of being a virgin but because the people I knew who did start having sex in high school ended up at best unhappy with their relationships, at worst pregnant drop outs. It really is an unnecessary stress at that point. Focus on your grades in high school, you'll get into a nice college where you will meet someone absolutely incredible, then do whatever she will willingly do with you.

But, while I wouldn't say lose it as soon as possible, I would definitely recommend not being a prude. At least it's fun, and you do not want to be unexperienced and awkward when you do meet someone you really care about. And if you're not at least 18, you haven't. Trust me, the relationships I had in high school are nothing compared to my current one in college.

The Tall Nerd:

Divine Miss Bee:
if you save yourself until marriage, the first time you sleep with the only person you'll be sleep with for the rest of your life, it will be disappointing for them. because you're a goddamn VIRGIN. virgins, are not known for their sexual talents. and, i would find it way creepy if i was my spouse's first sexual experience because people tend to idealize the person they lost their virginity with and i would much prefer to be married to someone who does not idealize me at all. unless you see a real, flesh-and-blood woman with flaws and selfish tendencies when you look at me, you don't actually love ME, you love this goddess that doesn't actually exist and that's way to much pressure to bring into a marriage and expect me to lice with forever.

what i did, and what i believe is the best thing for anyone to do, is to ditch your virginity with a more sexually experienced friend who cares about you and is clean, because they're patient enough to go a few rounds so you get the basics, but there's an understanding going in that you're just having sex and it's not weird later. then you know what to expect, you have an idea of what you're doing, and if you then want to stop until marriage you at least won't be a sad little spectacle on the wedding night. but i find that as long as you practice safe sex there is absolutely no reason to deny yourself sex when you want it. that's just unhealthy.

that be your opinion there laddy
don't brush them off as unhealthy
accept their differences

isn't this a forum for sharing opinions? and by saying "what i believe is the best thing," i made it pretty clear that this was my opinion. so i don't understand the point to your post. i can probably find studies backed by science that would add some facts to my side, but nobody asked for science, the OP asked for opinions. and i notice that you didn't really share yours, you just observed that i shared mine. care to expand on your post?

Divine Miss Bee:

The Tall Nerd:

Divine Miss Bee:
if you save yourself until marriage, the first time you sleep with the only person you'll be sleep with for the rest of your life, it will be disappointing for them. because you're a goddamn VIRGIN. virgins, are not known for their sexual talents. and, i would find it way creepy if i was my spouse's first sexual experience because people tend to idealize the person they lost their virginity with and i would much prefer to be married to someone who does not idealize me at all. unless you see a real, flesh-and-blood woman with flaws and selfish tendencies when you look at me, you don't actually love ME, you love this goddess that doesn't actually exist and that's way to much pressure to bring into a marriage and expect me to lice with forever.

what i did, and what i believe is the best thing for anyone to do, is to ditch your virginity with a more sexually experienced friend who cares about you and is clean, because they're patient enough to go a few rounds so you get the basics, but there's an understanding going in that you're just having sex and it's not weird later. then you know what to expect, you have an idea of what you're doing, and if you then want to stop until marriage you at least won't be a sad little spectacle on the wedding night. but i find that as long as you practice safe sex there is absolutely no reason to deny yourself sex when you want it. that's just unhealthy.

that be your opinion there laddy
don't brush them off as unhealthy
accept their differences

isn't this a forum for sharing opinions? and by saying "what i believe is the best thing," i made it pretty clear that this was my opinion. so i don't understand the point to your post. i can probably find studies backed by science that would add some facts to my side, but nobody asked for science, the OP asked for opinions. and i notice that you didn't really share yours, you just observed that i shared mine. care to expand on your post?

didnt mean to offend, yours was just kinda broad,
and lacked some words that signified opinion

thats about it sorry if i angered you man

The Tall Nerd:

Divine Miss Bee:

The Tall Nerd:

that be your opinion there laddy
don't brush them off as unhealthy
accept their differences

isn't this a forum for sharing opinions? and by saying "what i believe is the best thing," i made it pretty clear that this was my opinion. so i don't understand the point to your post. i can probably find studies backed by science that would add some facts to my side, but nobody asked for science, the OP asked for opinions. and i notice that you didn't really share yours, you just observed that i shared mine. care to expand on your post?

didnt mean to offend, yours was just kinda broad,
and lacked some words that signified opinion

thats about it sorry if i angered you man

if you'd angered me i wouldn't have responded. though if you keep calling me a man i might get a bit miffed. most men don't refer to themselves as women or goddesses, or put "miss" in their usernames. don't comment on posts you don't read if you don't want to anger people.

Divine Miss Bee:

The Tall Nerd:

Divine Miss Bee:

isn't this a forum for sharing opinions? and by saying "what i believe is the best thing," i made it pretty clear that this was my opinion. so i don't understand the point to your post. i can probably find studies backed by science that would add some facts to my side, but nobody asked for science, the OP asked for opinions. and i notice that you didn't really share yours, you just observed that i shared mine. care to expand on your post?

didnt mean to offend, yours was just kinda broad,
and lacked some words that signified opinion

thats about it sorry if i angered you man

if you'd angered me i wouldn't have responded. though if you keep calling me a man i might get a bit miffed. most men don't refer to themselves as women or goddesses, or put "miss" in their usernames. don't comment on posts you don't read if you don't want to anger people.

i did read it
fine then i shall use the term
dude

Divine Miss Bee:

most men don't refer to themselves as women or goddesses, or put "miss" in their usernames. don't comment on posts you don't read if you don't want to anger people.

We live in vastly different worlds, it seems. XD

Virginity is a myth. You lose "nothing" when you have sex for the first time. It's just some weird social barrier that I've never understood.

Ashadowpie:
i say yes, its worth saving because its literally the most personal thing you do with another person. why would you give away something so special away like that? im 24 years old and proudly still a virgin, anyone who says otherwise well, enjoy you're STD's if and when you eventually get them.

that's another thing thing, so many people sleep with random people and they dont even bloody know each other at all. i'd rather sleep with a person i know everything about and want to spend the rest of my life with. its safer, and if you do get the life breaking of an unwanted
child then you can afford to raise it properly unlike so many accident moms who create the burdens of society.

Also, i am not religious, so nothing has soiled my logical brain. except the soils of human life which tells my logical brain to wait for the right person to sleep with and spend my life with. so ....there...

You do realise people know about AND use condoms for random sexual encounters (usually)? Someone who has lots of partners won't inevitably contract herpes or something as long as they're careful.

Also, people who sleep around aren't automatically poor and unable to care for a child. And who's to say that you and your future spouse will be wealthy and have the money to raise a child? You seem to be stereotyping a whole bunch...

Finally, if you're saying that your brain isn't "soiled", then the logical thing to do (based on human instinct) would be to have lots of partners, and therefore pass on your genes to more offspring. Having one single partner for your whole life isn't exactly natural.

OT: I wouldn't say so, but then again I've still got mine.

No, what would someone gain from "saving" their virginity, it's not like you win an achievement for it. I think the idea of virginity should not exist in the first place.

The Tall Nerd:

Divine Miss Bee:

The Tall Nerd:

didnt mean to offend, yours was just kinda broad,
and lacked some words that signified opinion

thats about it sorry if i angered you man

if you'd angered me i wouldn't have responded. though if you keep calling me a man i might get a bit miffed. most men don't refer to themselves as women or goddesses, or put "miss" in their usernames. don't comment on posts you don't read if you don't want to anger people.

i did read it
fine then i shall use the term
dude

i much prefer "goddess divine" but i'll take what i can get. :)

Zachary Amaranth:

Divine Miss Bee:

most men don't refer to themselves as women or goddesses, or put "miss" in their usernames. don't comment on posts you don't read if you don't want to anger people.

We live in vastly different worlds, it seems. XD

come on over to mine, things make much more sense here.

Casual Shinji:
I've always seen it as a boulder I'm carrying on my back. I'd rather be rid of it and not have to suffer under society's judgment than treasure it for that special someone, who'll probably think I'm a weirdo anyway for not having lost it yet.

Surprisingly enough, there are still those who will think you're a weirdo for not saving it. Not telling anyone that they should, btw. Of course the only people who will that are the hardcore church goers. I say church goers and not Christians because I believe the people who take the bible too seriously are actually doing their chosen faith a disservice and misrepresenting it. Anywho, I remember a minister telling a story about being married to his wife. For whatever reason, he waited until after they had been married to tell her that he wasn't virgin like she was. He didn't lie about it, just never mentioned. However, his wife was severely pissed at him. She treated him like he had cheated on or betrayed her; gave him the whole dog house treatment. It took her weeks to get over it and forgive him.

To be honest, I thought she overreacted and was being way too ridiculous but that's a zealous church goer for you.

On topic: To each their own. Some like the thought of their future partner saving themselves for marriage and others don't care or would rather have someone "experienced." I do think that having sex is sacred and should be done with someone whom you deeply love. So yeah, it's worth saving.

I think the first time you have sex is definitely worth saving...for someone you love. Along with all the other times you fornicate afterwards. Some people never have a desire to get married, ya know, and not because they don't love a person. While I'm not an individual with that viewpoint, I can understand it. What with divorce rates, you can't exactly say that marriage as a whole is this sacred entity, and it never really was taking into account arranged marriages, gunshot weddings, abusive relationships that people were stuck in due to laws of the past, ect. But that's a whole 'nother topic.

However, I also believe that sex should be valued more, as an act of love and not just the (usually) ultimate form of getting you off. It's not something you should treat as an arbitrary physical function, but if you decide to fuck someone you're particularly fond of and don't end up staying with them for the rest of your life, that's nothing to feel bad about. Basically I'm just not in favour of one-night stands and the like. But do want you want--just because I have these ideals and would feel filthy for having sex with someone I didn't deeply care for doesn't mean you can't have your rights.

Also, regardless of your stance on the matter, placing different values on male and female virginity is just an out-dated bunch of bullshit, not to mention plain old unfair. You can't have a sexually experienced man without sexually experienced woman being "created," for lack of a better term, as a result, and vice versa. The fact that these views are still around in the 21st century is disheartening, to say the least. Jesus, I hate it when guys aren't considered "men" because they haven't had their first lady yet and women are called sluts if they're unmarried and not a virgin. It's fucking archaic.

Personally yeah i think it is. I've always imagined losing mine to someone i absolutely love and there is no bigger proof of love for me other than marriage

manic_depressive13:
Of course not. There's something dehumanising about placing too great a value on virginity. It's like you don't care about them as a person because now they are used goods, whereas you wanted a partner who was brand new.

I don't really care about my girlfriend's/future wife's virginity status. If you value that as some kind of fetish, then yeah, you're a little weird.

As for me, I probably will wait til I'm married, simply because my religious upbringing (and continued, less strict, religious beliefs) have simply conditioned me to be uncomfortable with sex outside of marriage. However, I wouldn't beat myself up if something happened and I didn't wait.

well to me it's more simple. would you rather have sex, or not have sex? if the answer is "have sex" then no, its not worth saving. if the answer is "not have sex" then stop trolling my comments! jk. if you want to hold off on losing it until you love a girl, or until you're just ready to lose it, whatever just go at your own pace.

Mimsofthedawg:

Toy Master Typhus:
Male; so no.

why does being male make you not saving your virginity not worth it?

And I would elaborate your post lest the moderators get on you for posting something that lacks substance.

The acceptances of society at large in a great number of global communities should spell out quite clearly why gender has an impact on the importance of saving or losing one's virginity, and whether or not that that's a good or bad thing. Pretending you don't recognized that these social implications don't exist is naive at best, and unnecessarily troll-like and obnoxious at worst. He isn't saying that it is fair and/or correct, but it's clear that gender has an impact on what society thinks of one's response to this poll.

If the moderators get on his case, it's because they were eager to get offended at a statement nobody made. I'm hopeful they won't.

Sex is sex. It's very fun. As it worked out, the first time I had sex was with somebody I loved quite a bit and who I am still with. That's not to say I hadn't tried just getting sex from random hot sluts. Also, we were pretty blazed when we first had sex. We didn't decide to have sex while high. Just happened that way.

Anyway, the point is, sex isn't necessarily special. Sex can be special if it's with someone you love, but if me and my girlfriend broke up I'd be heading out to parties and getting sex there now that I'm at the college I'm at.

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