Is Facebook Required for a good social life?
Yes
1.8% (6)
1.8% (6)
No
84.8% (279)
84.8% (279)
Maybe
4.6% (15)
4.6% (15)
In some situations
8.5% (28)
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Poll: Are you unsociable if you don't have Facebook?

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No. By extension,[1] your friend is saying if you don't have a computer/phone with internet connection (or access to one), you're unsociable.
There are many ways to socialise. Facebook just happens to be one of the major ways people communicate these days.
Even though I have a Facebook profile, I drive to my friend's place and spend some time with him once a week or so as my main form of socialising. Other than that, we text or talk on the phone. Facebook, for us, is a last resort form of contact, replacing email.

[1] Yes, this may seem like going out on a limb or nit-picking, but this is how I see it.

Nope, I you don't have facebook, then you are just being smart and still care for your privacy...
Sadly it will not help you, because facebook still story Information about you, only now it is doing it without you having a legal permission to look at that information.
Does facebook have anything to do with social activity? Maybe a bit, but it is not helping to socialize or make contacts or anything. It might however help to stay in touch... in a very impersonal way.
Think about what facebook friends are... they are often not people you know, so those are not your friends, they are just objects that add to a number which defines how popular you are in a virtual environment... and that is probably as antisocial as you can get.

You are unsociable if you HAVE facebook.

ObsidianJones:
Here's a real life situation that happened to me. The girl I'm having the conversation with will be in Bold

"Hey, Girl, I haven't talked to you for a while! How have you been?!"

"Oh, the same. Are you on face book? I keep pretty up to date with it."

"Well, yeah, I made a page a few years back, but that was just because of a wedding I was apart of. I don't use it."

"Do so! It's the best way to keep in contact! You can find out all about what's going in my life! If you go there now, we can be all caught up!"

"But we're on the phone... now... talking..."

"It'll be easier!!

I've literally kept track of how many times I had this variant of this conversation. 12 times. 12 fucking times. I could run into someone at a party, wedding, or whatever and I suggest we keep in contact. To me, that means phone or email or instant messenger. Where I'm actually interacting with a person on a one on one basis. I don't know why keeping an online diary for people to read is somehow more social... it seems a little conceited.

Because their standard point of view that it's more convenient for everyone, especially them since they don't need to tell you something that they've just spent time posting or telling people. I've been given a similar response recently by a friend while I was asking him what he did that day in Japan, so I just changed the subject to something else that was not posted on Facebook.

someonehairy-ish:

Playful Pony:
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There's an algorithm that tries to determine what you'll find most relevant. So its more likely to show stuff posted by people you pay lots of attention to, that kind of thing. It isn't in date order.

Huh, I see, thanks. But why does comments I made on there several weeks ago show up on top all of a sudden, with no new likes or comments to them? Does it show what people are watching on MY profile or something? I still don't quite understand why it seems to keep shuffling the posts I see.

Judging by how most people I talk to go on about Facebook, the majority of their social problems seem to stem from using the damned thing. I've found that among those I've met, the ones who use Facebook the most are the ones who complain about having the most miserable social lives. They're constantly posting attention- seeking updates or "falling out" with their parents, their siblings, their friends, their teachers and their pets.

If someone wants to talk to me, they can (try to) call me on my second-hand, outdated mobile phone. I love that thing, it's never on.

if your friend said "phone" he might have gotten a maybe but tying everyones social life exclusively to facebook? fuck no

you dont have facebook?

WITCH! BURN THE WITCH!

maybe he lives in his own world where every date is dependent on facebook. a.f. for ante facebook and p.f. for post facebook natum.

and he may or may not hunt those unbelievers and deny any existence of social activity before our precious board and our savior mark zuckerberg.

and all that silly "evidence". ha! layed down by the devilish Sean Parker!

and the banana was formed to fit perfectly in mans hand and prepare him for the holy mouse which he may use to enter the heavenly login.

your friend is a retard.

maybe he means that he didnt have himself a social life nor "friends" before facebook. and that is sad..

algalon:
I was specifically reluctant to make a facebook account simply because I do not want past friends searching me out.

Yeah, one of the main reasons I avoid 'social networking' is because I'm determined to keep large chunks of my past exactly where they are - in the past. No fucking way am I going to put all the hard work I did to get out of that at risk just so some dipshit 'friend' who can't be arsed to pick up the phone can dribble the pathetic minutae of their daily lives.

Then again I'm both unsociable and somewhat antisocial.

Vault101:
I'm unsociable and I have facebook

so....BAM disproved

its useful I supose if you have a social life in the first place..but I'm sure some manage without it

also people most meaningless mundane crap on FB because they build an identity, they wan't people to know who they are, what they like...

but I never post anything on Fb because I figure "well no one cares" *sigh*

Well you beat me to every point I was going to make on the first page except for the fact that rather than the mundane bullshit posted daily, it's the average level of literacy the mundane bullshit is posted in that makes my blood boil.

Even worse is when people incapable of proper spelling and grammar attempt to use grammar and just butcher the language further. Quite frankly, it's almost patronizing when someone posts memes and words like "epic" and "fail" all over my wall because they see I like video games in my profile.

I don't deny that facebook makes some people's social lives easier, but I just want to go ahead and say that this entire post here:

Owyn_Merrilin:
ITT: People without a Facebook account bash it.

OP, Facebook is at least as important to having a solid social life in this day and age as having a phone is. It's more important than having an e-mail account (at least beyond the fact that you need one to sign up for it). Between the group features, the IM, the messaging, the calendar, and the event planner, it's quite possibly the best tool for keeping up a social life ever invented. Are there shallow people on there who post pointless stuff? Yes. Is that any different from the real world? Not really. It's pretty easy to tell who your real friends are, who your acquaintances are, and who you only have on there for purposes of networking in the yuppie sense. Losing one of the better ways of communicating and planning things with your real friends just to avoid the other two groups is kind of silly, isn't it?

Edit: Also, I agree with the guy who said the poll asks a different question than the thread does. It's not required for a social life, but not having an accound can be a pretty good sign that you're not interested in having one, or at the very least that you're not very sociable.

Is utter bullshit. It is NOT necessary to a fulfilling social life to have a Facebook account nor does not having one mean you are not interested. In fact, most of the people I socialize with don't even have me added on Facebook. We have these wonderful little devices called phones that work wonders in the year 2012. Ever heard of one?

Kinda off topic but I find it amusing that typing Facebook without a capital "F" makes it show up in spell check. Interesting little thing I noticed.

VanQQisH:

Vault101:
I'm unsociable and I have facebook

so....BAM disproved

its useful I supose if you have a social life in the first place..but I'm sure some manage without it

also people most meaningless mundane crap on FB because they build an identity, they wan't people to know who they are, what they like...

but I never post anything on Fb because I figure "well no one cares" *sigh*

Well you beat me to every point I was going to make on the first page except for the fact that rather than the mundane bullshit posted daily, it's the average level of literacy the mundane bullshit is posted in that makes my blood boil.

Even worse is when people incapable of proper spelling and grammar attempt to use grammar and just butcher the language further. Quite frankly, it's almost patronizing when someone posts memes and words like "epic" and "fail" all over my wall because they see I like video games in my profile.

I don't deny that facebook makes some people's social lives easier, but I just want to go ahead and say that this entire post here:

Owyn_Merrilin:
ITT: People without a Facebook account bash it.

OP, Facebook is at least as important to having a solid social life in this day and age as having a phone is. It's more important than having an e-mail account (at least beyond the fact that you need one to sign up for it). Between the group features, the IM, the messaging, the calendar, and the event planner, it's quite possibly the best tool for keeping up a social life ever invented. Are there shallow people on there who post pointless stuff? Yes. Is that any different from the real world? Not really. It's pretty easy to tell who your real friends are, who your acquaintances are, and who you only have on there for purposes of networking in the yuppie sense. Losing one of the better ways of communicating and planning things with your real friends just to avoid the other two groups is kind of silly, isn't it?

Edit: Also, I agree with the guy who said the poll asks a different question than the thread does. It's not required for a social life, but not having an accound can be a pretty good sign that you're not interested in having one, or at the very least that you're not very sociable.

Is utter bullshit. It is NOT necessary to a fulfilling social life to have a Facebook account nor does not having one mean you are not interested. In fact, most of the people I socialize with don't even have me added on Facebook. We have these wonderful little devices called phones that work wonders in the year 2012. Ever heard of one?

Kinda off topic but I find it amusing that typing Facebook without a capital "F" makes it show up in spell check. Interesting little thing I noticed.

Let me put it this way: you know how people keep saying "I don't need Facebook, I have a phone. What, do you think people didn't have a social life before Facebook existed?" You and they do realize that people also had social lives before the phone was invented, right? Face it, if you refuse to have a Facebook account, you're standing still as the world passes you by, just like the people in the early 20th century who distrusted the telephone.

Edit: Oh, and perfect example of how not having one can be anti-social: when all of your friends are on Facebook, and they plan all of their events on it, sending invitations and RSVPing through it, expecting them to go out of the way to make a phone call or text you when you could easily have a Facebook account like everyone else? Yeah, that's anti-social and kind of dickish, right there.

ObsidianJones:

I've literally kept track of how many times I had this variant of this conversation. 12 times. 12 fucking times. I could run into someone at a party, wedding, or whatever and I suggest we keep in contact. To me, that means phone or email or instant messenger. Where I'm actually interacting with a person on a one on one basis. I don't know why keeping an online diary for people to read is somehow more social... it seems a little conceited.

You know that FB does have an IM function, do you? Because nearly all of my private FB conversations (phone and anything related to that is not an option for me. I have to pay for every minute or sms while I have no equal costs for my internet) with people who for whatever reason don't have Steam (I don't use ICQ anymore or some other IM shit because everyone is on Steam or Facebook). They do the same, no online diary for everyone to read.

Unless you consider my temporal link storage as online diary.

Owyn_Merrilin:

You and they do realize that people also had social lives before the phone was invented, right?

Why, yes! How foolish of me to believe that people were incapable of socializing without the aid of technology! Clearly, it was the invention of the phone that allowed man to communicate and rise above his fellow beast and become the dominant species on Earth!

But in all seriousness, all I ever claimed was that Facebook is not necessary to a fruitful social life like you clearly stated as a fact in your first post. The only thing that phones and Facebook do for socializing is allow for it to happen on a circle that is much larger than what people managed before them.

Most older people tended to socialize within much more local groups, rarely making contact with those long distances away. Hell, I'm by no means an old man but I'm old enough that it was completely alien when kids started to have their own mobile phones in high school. To this day it still blows my mind that I regularly speak to friends in America and Japan on a daily basis thanks to IM.

Facebook is nice, but I'll be damned if you aren't completely misguided if you believe it is necessary.

VanQQisH:

Is utter bullshit. It is NOT necessary to a fulfilling social life to have a Facebook account nor does not having one mean you are not interested. In fact, most of the people I socialize with don't even have me added on Facebook. We have these wonderful little devices called phones that work wonders in the year 2012. Ever heard of one?

Kinda off topic but I find it amusing that typing Facebook without a capital "F" makes it show up in spell check. Interesting little thing I noticed.

I pay 30€ a month for my internet. Why should I pay nearly 10c per minute phoning if I can just write something on the less expensive alternative that everyone I know uses.

VanQQisH:

Owyn_Merrilin:

You and they do realize that people also had social lives before the phone was invented, right?

Why, yes! How foolish of me to believe that people were incapable of socializing without the aid of technology! Clearly, it was the invention of the phone that allowed man to communicate and rise above his fellow beast and become the dominant species on Earth!

But in all seriousness, all I ever claimed was that Facebook is not necessary to a fruitful social life like you clearly stated as a fact in your first post. The only thing that phones and Facebook do for socializing is allow for it to happen on a circle that is much larger than what people managed before them.

Most older people tended to socialize within much more local groups, rarely making contact with those long distances away. Hell, I'm by no means an old man but I'm old enough that it was completely alien when kids started to have their own mobile phones in high school. To this day it still blows my mind that I regularly speak to friends in America and Japan on a daily basis thanks to IM.

Facebook is nice, but I'll be damned if you aren't completely misguided if you believe it is necessary.

Necessary? Maybe not. I guess you could write letters, if you absolutely had to. Or send smoke signals. But what it does is allow you to keep in touch with friends who you don't see on a daily basis, and plan things with them in a very concrete way. I'm at the age right now where all of my friends are scattered thanks to college and work. Getting together is a once a month thing, at best. Facebook facilitates that -- without Facebook, it wouldn't even be that often, if it was even possible. Do I have other friends that I see more often? Yeah, but ironically the ones I see the most are the ones I'm most likely to call "acquaintances" as opposed to "friends." Point being, avoiding Facebook for the reasons I keep seeing in this thread is technophobia at its finest, with a healthy dose of an anti-social desire to feel better than everyone else.

ITT: People who don't the difference between Unsociable and Anti-social.

Owyn_Merrilin:

Necessary? Maybe not. I guess you could write letters, if you absolutely had to. Or send smoke signals. But what it does is allow you to keep in touch with friends who you don't see on a daily basis, and plan things with them in a very concrete way. I'm at the age right now where all of my friends are scattered thanks to college and work. Getting together is a once a month thing, at best. Facebook facilitates that -- without Facebook, it wouldn't even be that often, if it was even possible. Do I have other friends that I see more often? Yeah, but ironically the ones I see the most are the ones I'm most likely to call "acquaintances" as opposed to "friends." Point being, avoiding Facebook for the reasons I keep seeing in this thread is technophobia at its finest, with a healthy dose of an anti-social desire to feel better than everyone else.

I admit I didn't read the entire thread because I know it'll be the same arguments as usual. I just think it was silly that you seem to think there is no alternative to Facebook. At least, that was the impression your first post gave me.

My reasons for avoiding Facebook are for simply not liking it. That's all, really. I have a Facebook and make a post occasionally so my family know I'm still kicking and even to organize events with friends too. I just prefer to use IM like Steam or IRC or receive text messages over the phone because it's easier for me.

From what I read in this thread it's all just "Stop liking what I don't like" on one side and "Why don't you like what I like" on the other. I'm certain you can see this much, too.

No. That is bullshit. We were all quite capable of socializing just fine before FuckFace (Facebook) and Twatter (Twitter) and we certainly don't need it to socialize now. Does it help? Debatable. But is it required? Fuck no.

canadamus_prime:
Twatter (Twitter)

I hereby insist that you refer to all messages as 'twunts'

I'd argue that facebook makes people LESS social. Reducing interaction to 'likes' and 'pokes'

Fuck facebook.

RhombusHatesYou:

canadamus_prime:
Twatter (Twitter)

I hereby insist that you refer to all messages as 'twunts'

I'd prefer to refer to them as "twats."

Owyn_Merrilin:
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Your replies are so silly it is making me laugh my ass off.

stuff like :
voiding Facebook for the reasons I keep seeing in this thread is technophobia at its finest, with a healthy dose of an anti-social desire to feel better than everyone else.
Face it, if you refuse to have a Facebook account, you're standing still as the world passes you by, just like the people in the early 20th century who distrusted the telephone.

It just makes you look silly. Thanks for the laughs though.

Why should i need facebook besides the fact that i have msn, 3 e-mail adresses, multiple forum accounts, livejournal and skype i have enough ways to keep in contact with friends. I do not use facebook due to how they handle the data you give them.

Also i had a social/active life before internet was big(years before facebook was invented. Used icq before msn was popular). If you think your social life is dependant on a pc program like facebook is lying to yourself.

It's a social networking tool.
I'm not saying you need it to be social, but it certainly helps.

I can think of countless times where Facebook has helped me get in touch with people I haven't seen in awhile, or remind me that a party is coming up, or using it just to chat (like messenger).

I've also seen a lot of Facebook drama, but it's easily avoided.

Facebook is just another one of those things that some people love to hate. Not sure why...

It's tool of convenience. There are pros and cons of using facebook to communicate, but in most cases overall there is nothing gained by not having one.

Seriously, what good reason is there to not have one? People are annoying on it? People abuse it's convenience? That's hardly a fault of the system. Really the only good reason (as in not counting the (still valid) "i don't feel like" type of reasons) is for privacy reasons.

I would be more than happy to jump ship to a better (to my needs) social networking thing if it came along though.

Casual Shinji:
I'm anti-social and I don't have a Facebook account...-Oooh, so that's why~.

Anyway, I'd say Facebook isn't required for a social life, but a social life is required for Facebook. And seeing as I have none, I see no reason to be on Facebook. Especially when I'm already here on the Escapist. ;)

I'd agree with this. You'll probably have a facebook if you're a social person.

Facebook is of course useful for a social life. But only because almost everybody uses it, you could easily keep in touch with friends using your phone, e-mail or just visit them in person.

If you think about using facebook, keep in mind that facebook is awful with your personal data.

TheKasp:

ObsidianJones:

I've literally kept track of how many times I had this variant of this conversation. 12 times. 12 fucking times. I could run into someone at a party, wedding, or whatever and I suggest we keep in contact. To me, that means phone or email or instant messenger. Where I'm actually interacting with a person on a one on one basis. I don't know why keeping an online diary for people to read is somehow more social... it seems a little conceited.

You know that FB does have an IM function, do you? Because nearly all of my private FB conversations (phone and anything related to that is not an option for me. I have to pay for every minute or sms while I have no equal costs for my internet) with people who for whatever reason don't have Steam (I don't use ICQ anymore or some other IM shit because everyone is on Steam or Facebook). They do the same, no online diary for everyone to read.

Unless you consider my temporal link storage as online diary.

ObsidianJones:
I think the difference is clear to most, and we're evenly split. It's the definition of sociable that needs to be addressed.

If I want to be sociable, I want to be outside with my friends, over my friend's house, outside doing something and laughing at us being stupid.

Sitting on the web and reading about what people are doing is not sociable to me. Doing this, what we're doing right now just even talking about it isn't sociable. We are exchanging ideas, but we aren't even directly engaging each other. One person might quote another, but we aren't even having a discussion. There's a facebook chat feature, and I would even go so far as to say that in itself is sociable. but if you just put up blurbs about your life on a wall and have people read that... It's bragging.

I'm glad to find people that think Facebook is the bane of existence. I find it incredibly irritating that so many things now REQUIRE you to have a Facebook if you want to participate. Like leaving a comment on the newest Zero Punctuation review. I have an account with The Escapist, but apparently, that's not good enough. I also MUST have a Facebook account to even leave a flipping comment.

This has lead me to an epiphany: Facebook is the death of all free-thinking individuals. Their corporate motto should be, "If you don't have a Facebook page, your opinion and point of view are moot and you don't have a voice!"

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