What do you think of "#FirstWorldProblems"?
Legitimate, well-off people complain too much
36% (149)
36% (149)
Not Legitimate, people should be able to complain
63.5% (263)
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Poll: "First World Problems"

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krazykidd:
Iunno seems like the new popular phrase to say . It's annoyig a fuck, but just wait for the fad to kick in . What i hate though is people that take stuff from the internet and say them in real life . I first person to say that to me in real life gets slapped and i will say " did that hurt? At least you didn't lose a limb , first world problems".

I agree with this 100%. I know people who say "lol" instead of actually laughing, doesn't do anything but make them sound like a robot. I'll have to remember to do something obnoxious the first time someone says that to me. :)

Just saying the poll is confusing as fuck, I read the options, then read the thread and click "Legitimate" as in I think your opinion is legitimate and lo and behold, it's like someone has a normal axis in a flying game, just doesn't feel right.

Anyway, because someone has bigger problems than you it doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to complain, otherwise imagine this scenario: "Girl is born, she is blind, deaf and deformed. Her mother dies in birth, her dad left long ago and her step dad is left to care for her. However, the stepdad is a psychopath, he tortures her from birth and keeps her locked up in a basement, she doesn't know the outside world, she doesn't know anything. The only thing she knows is pain, to the point where it starts to feel like the closest she has to love. She keeps getting tortured for many years, barely fed, regularly raped and abused, but she doesn't know anything else. One day the Step Father dies, after 4 days without eating and drinking she stumbles outside, turns out the door was never locked. She is found covered in blood and scars by local children who start being children and poking her with sticks, she doesn't understand what is going on. She is being assailed by a lot of sensations she didn't know existed, the sun is shining on her for the first time, she can't hear the noise but she can feel a frightening level of vibrations. She tries to run as well as her skinny legs can carry her only to stumble upon a road and being ran over by a car, dying instantly."

After listening to a scenario like that (And I'm a big time internet lurker, I know of a lot of messed up shit going on around the world) no one ever could complain, not the starving kids in Africa "At least you have your 'freedom' stop bitching" Nor anyone else, unless there's someone more unfortunate than her, then even she can't complain.

What I'm getting at is that Emotions and feelings are Subjective, they exist inside you and if you don't LIVE Yourself a way waaay worse experience you won't really feel it as attached and real, as human beings we aren't objective and not complaining about our problems considering some people are way off would be a perfect Objective observation, but would have nothing to do with our humanity.

beastro:
First World Problems involve the culture of dependency, poverty of the mind, the lack of fulfillment and other issues which are at the heart of the Underclass and effect everyone else.

What it really comes down to is that fact that people can afford most, if not all of the perks of modern life , but still consider themselves poor and in need of help. The reasons behind why some can have an iphone, a wireless connection and other amenities, but be labels poor by society and they themselves wanting to be labelled such for "free" government handouts is the pressing matter.

The work of Theodore Dalrymple goes into detail about this.

Meh. Isn't it all just relative deprivation? We're hard-wired to strive, it's part of our survival mechanism. Take away serious threats to an individual's welfare like death, famine, sickness, etc and their mind turns to more mundane injustices. Why can't I have a nice shirt? That guy has a nice shirt. My food is COLD! Why can't I find a cool case for my cellular phone? These things are always happening to me!

However, just as deprivation is relative, so is privilege.

Meaning of Karma:
Err, I always thought that "first world problems" referred to people making an enormously big deal out of trivial shit.

Like someone spilling soda all over themselves and then declaring that their whole day is ruined and that they might as well just go and kill themselves.

Yup, exactly this. All discussion value has been negated, /thread.

No, that isn't sarcasm.

I used that recently when my youngest brother complained about not having Ass Creed, like begging for someone to buy it for him because our dad made a mistake and bought him Halo4 instead.

He's 20, and I felt like slapping him, instead I told him it was a first world problem.

Thing is, these days there is no first, second, blah blah blah world problems, there are only problems. In the first world people shouldn't be going hungry, having to comit crime to survive, having to steal to make ends meet. I'm in the UK, which should be considered first world, yet kids are stealing food because they're so hungry, their Jeremy Kyle generation parents are too wasted to care. That's not a first world problem. Anyway, preach over - I just think that we need to wind back a bit, stop complaining so much about the little things - because there's every chance that someone nearby is going through hell, and if we bitch about this minor stuff then it belittles their problems.

There's always someone worse off than us, there's always someone ready to tell us that as well.

Meaning of Karma:
Err, I always thought that "first world problems" referred to people making an enormously big deal out of trivial shit.

Like someone spilling soda all over themselves and then declaring that their whole life is ruined and that they might as well just drop dead.

^
That was my impression as well.

Otherwise the expression is meaningless since anyone who can post online have first world problems.

I wonder if people in third world countries update their statuses all like:

"it's raining out and here am I am without an umbrella (to turn upside down and drink from for a month!!!) FML third world problems" or

"just got my cherry popped! the rapist thought my purity would cure his aids. third world problems lol", or

"just three more paychecks away from being able to afford death by gun instead of machete. third world problems LMAO (except L is for lob and A is for arm)".

Frankly, it's something I've been saying for years, because complaining about stupid shit is taking for granted the rights and freedoms that being lucky enough to be born in the first world affords you. Sure, everybody has the right to complain about anything, at any time, but doing so doesn't make you not a useless turd.

Now that everyone else is saying it though, it's become meaningless. Because now it's just a thing to say to fill space, and nobody even thinks about the words as they're saying or typing them. Maybe it's just an awkward baby step in the right direction to broader paradigm, like putting up with environmentalists' or vegetarians' smugness? First world problems I guess, lol.

In most cases I've seen it is a phrase for people who don't have a real counter point to your argument, can't think of a counter point so I'll just pretend the argument is beneath me.

When I first heard it the guy who said it was saying it about something he had just complained about and then laughed it off. So, I always thought it was just a joke and a way to feel better about life's little nagging occurences. I think people are taking the expression a little too seriously and using it as something else to complain about on top of what they were already just complaining about.

Phuctifyno:
I wonder if people in third world countries update their statuses all like:

"it's raining out and here am I am without an umbrella (to turn upside down and drink from for a month!!!) FML third world problems" or

"just got my cherry popped! the rapist thought my purity would cure his aids. third world problems lol", or

"just three more paychecks away from being able to afford death by gun instead of machete. third world problems LMAO (except L is for lob and A is for arm)".

>.> <.< I may be enough of a troll to make that twitter account.

Anyways! On-topic:

The poll is missing my answer, which is both. Referring to people's problems as first-world problems is most certainly legit. But people should also be able to complain about whatever they want.

Including first world problems. Complaining about first world problems is a first world problem.

Newsflash: Some people are dicks. They will say whatever they think is funny in order to put you down. Whether your problem is legitimate or not isn't even the question. It's why are you hanging out with this dick?

Meaning of Karma:
Err, I always thought that "first world problems" referred to people making an enormously big deal out of trivial shit.

Like someone spilling soda all over themselves and then declaring that their whole life is ruined and that they might as well just drop dead.

Pretty much this. I think the best example that I've encountered is this total bitch with rich parents who goes to my college. Verbatim: "My parents bought me the black iPad instead of the white one! I hate them! My life is ruined!"

Seriously, they just GAVE you an iPad, who gives a shit what the color is?

If you bought an iPad that broke after a week, that's not the triviality required to be a "first-world problem."
If someone gave you a free iPad and you don't like the color scheme, that is trivial enough to be qualified as a "first-world problem."
You can complain about it all you want, but it just makes you look like a jerk.

Protip: If the reviews say the game sucks, you probably should not buy it. Anyone who preorders software has no right to complain.

I think you'll be a whole lot happier in life if you realize your problems are usually very small compared to what they could be. If you're warm, healthy,shod and under a sturdy roof... anything short of a personal tragedy really is trivial. That doesn't mean you can't try to fix a problem on a tech support forum, but it does mean getting really upset over truly trivial nonsense does not invite sympathy.

I usually use it on people just as a joke, to try and lighten them up.
It depends on context, but when I/my friends use it's more of a "don't worry, it's not too bad". It isn't meant to guilt people, or make slight of their problems, more of a reminder of how serious/not serious their problem actually is.

If an argument can be boiled down to "I paid for X, I should be getting Y", just stop. Caveat emptor, bitches.

If you have a legitimate concern the product is not "fit for purpose" (what it says it does, not what you assume it should do), then by all means, speak up.

Regards to the question of "ability" to complain: Complain all you want, just don't expect any sympathy.

captcha: dish fall sales event. Speaking of not fit for purpose...

Bullfrog1983:

krazykidd:
Iunno seems like the new popular phrase to say . It's annoyig a fuck, but just wait for the fad to kick in . What i hate though is people that take stuff from the internet and say them in real life . I first person to say that to me in real life gets slapped and i will say " did that hurt? At least you didn't lose a limb , first world problems".

I agree with this 100%. I know people who say "lol" instead of actually laughing, doesn't do anything but make them sound like a robot. I'll have to remember to do something obnoxious the first time someone says that to me. :)

The first time I met someone who used 'lol' in every day speech was rather jarring for me, my brain just stopped for a moment trying to figure out what was wrong with the situation.

I have to say, it was a very strange day.

krazykidd:
Iunno seems like the new popular phrase to say . It's annoyig a fuck, but just wait for the fad to kick in . What i hate though is people that take stuff from the internet and say them in real life . I first person to say that to me in real life gets slapped and i will say " did that hurt? At least you didn't lose a limb , first world problems".

hahahaha that would be so funny... best idea ever!

There are some valid applications, but people use it all the time because ponies. If someone's all "FML" because their daddy didn't get them a porsche, yeah. Usually, though, it's just douchebaggery.

FalloutJack:
People complain too much. That's all there really is to it.

There are legitimate complaints and illegit complaints.

And many...MANY people seem to miss out on which is which.

This. As it is with everything.

Some things just aren't worth complaining about, and it's eleven or twelve different kinds of irritating when that's what people complain about.

See: Yesterday's "Wii Us can be bricked if you don't follow simple instructions!" debacle.

Who cares what other people think? It is a free country and you can complain all day if you like, just like other people have the right to say your complaints are overwrought and overblown.

I think I like it better when the complainer acknowledges a "first world problem" to head off the "well, that's nothing compared to what the price of rice is doing to poor countries in southeast Asia" comparison.

Seriously, no one is going to put a stop to complaining on the Internet; after pornography and videos of kittens, it's more or less the major function of the thing. But unless a "first world problem" actually relates to a more significant one (as might be argued to be the case with the recent "Conflict Minerals" article), the most that's required is tuning the complainer out.

Meaning of Karma:
Err, I always thought that "first world problems" referred to people making an enormously big deal out of trivial shit.

Like someone spilling soda all over themselves and then declaring that their whole life is ruined and that they might as well just drop dead.

This would have been fine, and I actually think it started out that way, however, people use it ALL THE TIME. You can seriously go to a support forum somewhere, and say "This software doesn't work" and you can get someone going "first world problems". OK, that exact scenario is not that common but there is nothing stopping it from happening. The phrase can and is actually used in response to any mentions of problems that aren't about starving children in Africa and so on. That's what's annoying.

People can only understand what they've experienced. That is not intrinsically their fault, it is just the way we as humans work.

Do not blame the trivial complainer for his complaints. He speaks from his specific viewpoint, his understanding, his experiences, which are necessarily unlike any other. In the grand scheme of things his complains are trivial, but from the scope of his limited understanding they are important. Does that make them meaningless? No.

Most, if not all of the people touting "First World problems" as a response to complaints they see as trivial compared to "Third World problems" are just fools looking for a way to feel superior to their peers. It is just the voice of the ignorant, purporting to speak for those whom they do not understand to make themselves seem more worldly. It is that very ignorance, that lack of understanding while believing they do understand, which leads to much wasted effort to help the "Third World," if we can be so arrogant as to name something like that.

Until we can achieve true understanding without misconceptions, which may prove to be impossible, these types of issues will always exist. Do not blame the individual, blame human nature.

FalloutJack:
People complain too much. That's all there really is to it.

There are legitimate complaints and illegit complaints.

And many...MANY people seem to miss out on which is which.

I was going to post, but this sums what I was going to say up quite nicely.
Say, missing the bus, or getting soaked by a car driving through a puddle and spraying you are fairly legit complaints.
That frame rate issue OP is on about is just fucking stupid.

First World Problems:

My 30mbs internet speed is hindered by my outdated router.

My 2005 car stereo doesn't have an auxiliary cable slot, but is modern enough that it doesn't have a cassette player either, which means I have to listen to my ipod using a somewhat staticy radio transmitter.

I hate waiting for a digital game purchase to download because I want to play it NOW!

This is just some meme that you shouldn't get worked up about. Your friend isn't making some grand socio-economic statement on the entitled nature of consumers brought on by a comfortable standard of living for most people in MEDCs. They just think they're being funny. Ignore it. Or slap them, then ignore it if it really bothers you. It's nothing to get worked up about.

Take whatever you will from this but when you have been to a 3rd world country - you go home and really see how ridiculous a lot of your "problems" were and realize how good you have it.

This doesn't mean all problems in the first world are first world problems. "I got fired and can't provide for my family anymore" is a serious problem that can easily happen in the first world but its a phrase thats reserved for ridiculous things like "why is the remote all the way over there?"

It's the grown up equivalent of "Eat your peas! There are starving children in Africa!"

It's the fallacy that just because a problem isn't as severe or life threatening as a problem someone else somewhere else is going through it's automatically not worth addressing or dealing with.

This logic didn't fly with me when I was 6. And it doesn't fly with me at 36.

People should be allowed to complain about stuff that really gets to them, whatever it's status in regards to other people on a global scale.

AFAIK there are a lot more people with clinical depressions in the first world than in the third. The fact that I don't have to hunt for food, but do have to buy food as cheaply as possible from an extremely small disability check is in essence about the same problem.
The fact that I might have more time to worry about making ends meet next month, then someone in Africa makes it equal parts misery for all around, in my view.

The West gets the luxuries AND the stress.
So yes, maybe a game not working properly (for a bit or long term) might not seem like much to an outsider. But for the person who wanted to play that game really bad to unwind after a long hard days work it can be a pretty big deal.

Speaking about not being able to play games at random times for reasons not your own, I'm looking sternly at you Blizzard!!!

The phrase pisses me off. "Oh, you've lost internet and your assignment is due in tomorrow? That's first world problems dude, people in Africa can't even eat".

Good for them, I don't give a fuck. This is a legitimate problem, just because someone else halfway across the world has problems doesn't make my problems any less of a problem.

I'm going to go down the middle here and say that sometimes I think complaining is justified and then others it becomes priviledged people acting like knobs.

For example, I think if a game is released and it totally unplayable due to bugs or the multiplayer is unable to connect at all for anyone then those are legitimate topics for complaint, but things such as 30 FPS caps in games being complained about is just stupid IMO, the developers aren't obligied to pander exactly too what you want in a game and it's their game so they can make it how they want, just because you don't get that 30 extra FPS, which isn't really that noticable from what I can tell, is not a legitimate criticism for a game.

FalloutJack:
People complain too much. That's all there really is to it.

There are legitimate complaints and illegit complaints.

And many...MANY people seem to miss out on which is which.

This. We're being pressured by so many marketing firms to believe that, oh, "Product X is the BEST THING EVER! WATCH OUT, 'CAUSE IT'S COMING AND WHEN IT'S THERE, IT'S GONNA BLOW YOUR FUCKING MIND!"

And then you find out that Product X is actually average. Mediocre, even.

We're being told that we're entitled to certain standards of quality without any regard for the ability or inability of the purveyor to actually go ahead and provide us with it, and we come to assume that these standards are immutable. If anyone so much as dares not to meet MY standards, then I am entitled to a shit-fit.

Ahem. No. No, I'm not. BioWare didn't trick anyone. It simply dropped the ball. "Tricking" implies a deliberate move, a Snidely Whiplash-esque determination to spread suffering for its own sake - the love of causing pain or various grievances. No company of any kind would openly try and hurt its customers; it's just very, very, very bad for business.

But, of course, it's so much easier to think that this or that corporate entity is evil, whereas that other one is good. It appeals to our sense of morality and makes things easier on an emotional level. We can comfortably say stuff like, I dunno, "Valve is unilaterally awesome and EA is the scum of the Earth".

Both are companies. Both are made up of human beings. Human beings are fallible and have base instincts and desires. Instincts like greed and the desire to be successful at all costs. Mistakes WILL be made, no matter how much you as a gamer find yourself hoping for perfection.

So yes, there are first-world problems for which I always thought some gamers should be scolded for daring to mention. The ending of a specific game pissed you off? Play another one, and maybe try and accept the fact that others might be satisfied with what they have. Offer criticism if you can, but the fact that howling rage is the only thing that will get developers to pay attention is just so damn shameful.

It's shameful for everyone involved. Those lodging complains in that manner and the company that receives them. I just can't wait for the day where gaming will have evolved as an art form to the point where we'll be able to discuss finished games in university seminars and to learn from past mistakes in a more academic fashion, instead of howling for reparation mere weeks after a game's release.

I tend to use that phrase when I myself am complaining about something. "Oh noes, I ran out of milk! D= ... Lol, first world problem! =D"

It's a method I use to get things in perspective so I don't drown in depression. You know, more than I already am. /emo

I am perhaps guilty of using it on my friends too, but sometimes they tend to get stuck on something that upsets them and then go on and on and on about it. I figure they need a jokey wake up call then. Or, you know, sometimes I just use it as a JOKE.

I will agree that when people just dismiss genuine grievances with it, or a similar phrase, it's bloody annoying. If everyone thought liked that - "Stop trying to change the way things are; STATUS QUO FTW!" - then we'd still be effing foraging for food on the savannah.

I appriciate the idea behind the statement more than the application of said statement. If I hear similar from some sanctimonious do-gooder raising money for African releif or trying to save the rainforrest, I might call them condesending, but at least I know it's coming from an honest belief that there are other problems to be solved first before we worry about online passes and day one DLC. On the internet however it pretty much comes off as "stop complaining. I can't argue with anything you say but you're bringing me down and harshing my fanboyism for game X, or company Y by making me acknowledge their imperfections and dick move cash grabs."

I've mostly written it off as people complaining about compalining, and laughing at the irony becuase having to deal with complaints is a "first world problem" in and of itself.

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