Piers Morgan VS. Alex Jones :guns

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interesting stuff

its about guns
what do you think about this

Dont deport him unless its to the north pole, we don't want him back here in the uk.
I tend to agree with the furious man but to a much lesser degree, and disagree with him on a lot of points (he really isn't doing his side any favours by being as irate as that and hes fucking deluded about prozac, of course people on anti depressants are going to have a higher suicide rate, its a fucking drug for depressed people). 2nd amendment is for a reason but more controls are needed, it should be a harshly punishable crime to not have guns properly locked up, especially if you have kids.

Honestly I think what they did here is to get a very uptight paranoid man who cant argue for shit to make piers morgan look better and more correct by comparison.

The more liberties you have the better, and the 2nd amendment is just one.

adamsaccount:
Dont deport him unless its to the north pole, we don't want him back here in the uk.
I tend to agree with the furious man but to a much lesser degree, and disagree with him on a lot of points (he really isn't doing his side any favours by being as irate as that and hes fucking deluded about prozac, of course people on anti depressants are going to have a higher suicide rate, its a fucking drug for depressed people). 2nd amendment is for a reason but more controls are needed, it should be a harshly punishable crime to not have guns properly locked up, especially if you have kids.

Honestly I think what they did here is to get a very uptight paranoid man who cant argue for shit to make piers morgan look better and more correct by comparison.

The more liberties you have the better, and the 2nd amendment is just one.

They did. Whenever he meets anyone citing any sort of facts, true or not, he devolves into troll arguments straight out of 4chan. Calling people "stupid" instead of citing any of his facts and devolves into logical fallacies. He can't argue beyond sound bytes, and catch phrases.

Peirs has the charisma of a Neo-nazi raping a baby and the reasoning powers of Glen Beck.

He can't argue anything. And when he does, he gets his facts wrong. Especially when he touts that America's gun deaths are all murders with legal guns. Which is incredibly false.

The majority of gun deaths are suicides, an the majority of murders are done by criminals with a prior record.

As for the rest, he rags on America without ever delving deeper than "If the UK doesn't deal with it, then the rest of the world doesn't either."

A British man speaking on the "behalf" of the rest of the world? With a giant ego and incredibly shady past? yeah, you can say Peirs Morgan can be deported along with Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh.

Ultratwinkie:

Peirs has the charisma of a Neo-nazi raping a baby and the reasoning powers of Glen Beck.

Says it all really. Its pretty funny though when the other bloke starts doing that British accent. If thats the kinda guy they need to stick next to Piers Morgan to make him look good then what hope is there for him.

edit: also that is not journalism, thats a fucking circus act

adamsaccount:

Ultratwinkie:

Peirs has the charisma of a Neo-nazi raping a baby and the reasoning powers of Glen Beck.

Says it all really. Its pretty funny though when the other bloke starts doing that British accent. If thats the kinda guy they need to stick next to Piers Morgan to make him look good then what hope is there for him.

edit: also that is not journalism, thats a fucking circus act

All the people who where pro-gun saw that this coming a mile away, in fact anyone who knows Alex Jones saw it coming. It's controlled opposition.

I don't feel sorry for Morgan. He knows full well that Alex Jones is.... well.... unhinged to say the least. He invited him on that show knowing full well the reaction he'd get, because he wants his name out there.

But man is that Alex Jones a nutty, nutty guy.

All Morgan wanted to do by inviting on Jones is to try and look like the "reasonable one" again after how he acted with Larry Pratt. In this he basically did exactly what Alex Jones did except not quite as well. I hate Jones as much as the next guy, but you gotta admit he does his thing well.

Somehow Alex Jones manages to mix refreshing viewpoints on history and its implications (dictatorships taking away guns resulting in unchecked tyranny) with nutty conspiracy theories about 9/11. -_-

One of the comments underneath the clip on Youtube summed this up nicely:

There is nothing wrong with having a gun to protect your home and your family, but this man seems too unstable to own a toothbrush.

The best thing Piers Morgan ever did was being punched in the face by Jeremy Clarkson.
Not saying Alex Jones is any better though.

I alwyas love the way people (in this case Jones) say ''Oh we need guns to protect us from the government and other crazy people''. The US is a (sort of) democratic coutry with a system based on Montesquieu's tri split of power. (Lawgiving, justice speaking, and executive) This system protects the citizens from state in a legal way. (''If you cannot afford a lawyer you will be appointed one'') So you don't need guns to protect you against the state. Other crazy people is more reasonable, but still: if guns wouldn't be so easily accesible, then other crazy people wouldn't get to them so easily either, and the gocernment would be able to protect you with a reasonable police force.

I agree with Jones to a certain point, that guns can be used for personal protection. But he can't convince me that you would need a full-automatic heavy assault rifle for that.

I came here after reading the thread title.

I expected to see Piers Morgan and Alex Jones in a duel with guns.....

I am disappoint.

No, I have nothing constructive to add.

Piers Morgan is a massive bellend and I have no idea who Alex Jones is.

Deport Piers Morgan?

I'd rather you didn't, it took us years to get rid of the bugger and they want to send him back....

This was the first time I'd ever heard about Alex Jones, like a previous poster said, it wasn't journalism, it was a circus act, with Piers as the slimy ringmaster/terribly incompetent lion tamer, and Alex Jones as the clown/freak.

It was absolutely awesome, I laughed my head off and went to try and find more of Alex Jones.

EDIT: I can see lots of memes coming out of this eg.
1776 WILL COMMENCE AGAIN!
If you try to take our Ponies!

Henkie36:
I agree with Jones to a certain point, that guns can be used for personal protection. But he can't convince me that you would need a full-automatic heavy assault rifle for that.

Notably, fully automatic firearms aren't particularly easy to acquire legally in the United States and are used in very, very few crimes. They require strict additional licensing and a pretty significant financial investment. The AR-15 variant rifles used in these recent shootings aren't even capable of firing in burst or automatic, which by definition, means they aren't even assault rifles. They look like assault rifles, but they aren't assault rifles in functionality.

I have an AR-15. It's a Colt AR-15 "Sporter" HBAR, .223 Remington. I use it for hunting from time to time, but mostly it's just for plinking targets at the local range for recreation. All legal, and no one is being harmed. That said, they don't make ideal personal defense weapons. For individual and home defense, there really isn't a whole lot that they can do that a handgun or a shotgun can't do better - and with less risk of collateral damage.

My understanding of the issue however is that it's not about what's "ideal" for defense in a given scenario. It's a matter of having choice and variety restricted due to a reactionary response to a tragedy. The use of AR-15 clones recently is actually a bit of an anomaly. It's fairly rare for that style of weapon to be used in gun crime. The majority of gun crime in the US is committed with handguns in fairly common chamberings like .22, 9x19mm, and .45ACP since they're cheap, easy to acquire, and easy to conceal. The argument that it's their magazine capacity that makes AR-15 style rifles so dangerous is the best argument I've seen so far, and it's mostly irrelevant since high-capacity magazines exist for handguns as well. I met a man at a firing range once who, for whatever reason, liked to use a 100-round C-Mag drum, similar in design to the one used with the rifle in Aurora, with his 9x19mm Glock-17 handgun. So to them, starting off with AR-15's and other similar rifles in the wake of tragedy is just step one into easing the public as a whole into complete disarmament.

America, I don't ask you for much, but please don't send him back.... do whatever you like with him (shoot him, for all I care) but we don't want the obnoxious little twunt either!!

IckleMissMayhem:
America, I don't ask you for much, but please don't send him back.... do whatever you like with him (shoot him, for all I care) but we don't want the obnoxious little twunt either!!

Here here!

When Piers Morgan is the voice of reason you know you're in trouble.

This is a country that is trying to export democracy to the world and yet it has absolutely zero faith in it as shown by the way people furiously cling to the second amendment. The idea that this law from 1791, before the invention of not just machine guns but before the invention of the fucking REVOLVER, is in any way relevant to modern society is... well, about as backwards as I've come to expect from 'merica.

The simplistic terms people use like "good guys" and "bad guys" is just showing what little understanding people have of the real problems here. I mean it's literally like the dicks, pussies and assholes speech from Team America.

Hobbit in Denial:

IckleMissMayhem:
America, I don't ask you for much, but please don't send him back.... do whatever you like with him (shoot him, for all I care) but we don't want the obnoxious little twunt either!!

Here here!

Even in the unlikely event they do kick him out (unlikely because the First Amendment protects him here I believe), he would be unlikely to come back to Blighty, on account of the fact that he would probably be met at the gate by Plod. Something about phone hacking I think...

Piers Morgan and Alex Jones.....

Wow, not a moderate mind in the whole joint in that little mash up, is there/

srm79:

Hobbit in Denial:

IckleMissMayhem:
America, I don't ask you for much, but please don't send him back.... do whatever you like with him (shoot him, for all I care) but we don't want the obnoxious little twunt either!!

Here here!

Even in the unlikely event they do kick him out (unlikely because the First Amendment protects him here I believe), he would be unlikely to come back to Blighty, on account of the fact that he would probably be met at the gate by Plod. Something about phone hacking I think...

we cans send him, to Canada....
someone get a box that could fit a person, a stick, a string, a story he could exploit and meet me in five.

harmonic:
Somehow Alex Jones manages to mix refreshing viewpoints on history and its implications (dictatorships taking away guns resulting in unchecked tyranny) with nutty conspiracy theories about 9/11. -_-

In fairness he was "answering" Piers' question about who he thought caused 9/11.

My first thought was this guy (Alex) is off his rocker, my second thought was CNN is off their rocker for giving him a platform.

Piers Morgan has his head so far up Arsenal FC's arse, I can't take him seriously. But the other guy...geez.

He is one delusional gooner.

Its ok America, you can keep that walking dickhead, no really we in the UK insist.

I clicked on this because I watched it in my social class today, and I could not stop laughing. If the American wasn't being an idiot, and actually arguing his point intellectually, It may have made his side seem better. MY interpretation on what the British guy (look I don't know their names, nor do I care, but you understand who I'm talking about) was that we wasn't trying to support BANISHMENT of ALL guns. Only Semi-automatic weapons (Uzi's, AK's, etc) which are not needed for protection OR sport and hunting.

I live in Canada, which last I heard has the most Guns per people (My social teacher's words, bring it up to him) despite most* people not having guns. Only the Farmers, Hunters, and "Kill for sport" people tend to have them (No, not including gangs, I'm talking in general). Though I'm sure they have them, it's not necessary to shoot down a thief with an Ak-47, when a pistol would probably be a cheaper option anyway.

I'm not saying the American's side is stupid. I'm saying HE is stupid, and his argument was stupid, and I'm not saying the British guy is Jesus or anything either. The British guy was at least a smart prick, picking his battles well, the American was prepared, but his argument had so many flaws it was just unbearable. I think gun's can be necessary, but if what I understood is correct, I don't see the point in a Semi-Automatic weapon unless you need to wipe down a row of people, which you probably won't need for protection.

This interview was the funniest thing I have seen all week. Just saying.
As far as gun law goes...I don't really see why people need guns. For sport, yeah, for Farmers trying to keep pest numbers down yeah, that's all understandable. But I genuinely cannot see why so many people feel the need to own a gun. The part of the Constitution concerning a persons right to own a gun has always seemed outdated to me, seeing as it was written several hundred years ago.

You know what? I think Piers Morgan comes off as the sensible one in this debate. He's just trying to ask a few questions, have a conversation (biased of course but that's how it works), and holy fuck Alex Jones is just off the wall! Nobody asked him about conspiracy theories, and the accent definitely wasn't needed. Calm down.

I realize you Brits hate Piers, but here, he was trying to have a discussion, whereas Mr. Jones wanted to have a rant.

Didn't Jeremy Clarkson punch Piers Morgan once? Yeah I liked that.

Thread about a debate between Piers Morgan and Alex Jones and PIERS is the one everyone calls crazy? What the hell's going on? Piers was the one trying to act civil and have a conversation while Jones was having his little eruption.

Gun control debates bug me because I am generally okay with gun ownership, but the pro-gun side spews out such a constant string of stupid, it's painful. Trying to deport people for expressing an opinion? ranting about new world order conspiracies? Calling someone stupd for suggesting that limiting availability of guns will limit guns availability to bad people? Or genuinely thinking that your hillbilly buddies and you are any sort of defense against a tyrannical government?Can we just say that you can keep your guns, but if you do, you have to shut your big stupid mouth? Because that would improve life a lot.

Jesus Christ that is a low IQ debate.

Rawne1980:
Piers Morgan is a massive bellend and I have no idea who Alex Jones is.

Alex Jones is a lunatic who has made a living out of convincing insecure/insane people that 9/11 was an attack committed by the US government and conspiracy theorist nonsense in general. He has no mental capacity for critical arguments- his only tactic is to shout catch phrases at the top of his lungs and babble incoherently.

Putting him up against Piers Morgan shows just how dire the state of journalism is in the US.

Don't get everyone's problem with Piers Morgan...I kinda like his tv personality. He's certainly not in the wrong here, not morally anyway (I don't agree with his view on guns). The asshole was just shouting at him, shouting the same almost meaningless, irrelevant, things to Piers. My favourite part was when he said he'd wear the red white and blue in the boxing ring and he can wear jolly roger; does alex realise the british flag is also composed of red white and blue, composed of red white and blue before the american flag mind you.

Don't think it's necessary but, Flame Shield up :)

Katatori-kun:

Rawne1980:
Piers Morgan is a massive bellend and I have no idea who Alex Jones is.

Alex Jones is a lunatic who has made a living out of convincing insecure/insane people that 9/11 was an attack committed by the US government and conspiracy theorist nonsense in general. He has no mental capacity for critical arguments- his only tactic is to shout catch phrases at the top of his lungs and babble incoherently.

Putting him up against Piers Morgan shows just how dire the state of journalism is in the US.

sounds like the perfect person for piers morgan to talk about guns with.

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