Has MLP jumped the shark?
Yes, I cant stand it anymore
7.8% (31)
7.8% (31)
Its not as good as it was but I still like it
20.4% (81)
20.4% (81)
No, its as good as it ever was
29.1% (116)
29.1% (116)
No, I think its better now
7.3% (29)
7.3% (29)
MLP was never any good
30.4% (121)
30.4% (121)
Gen 1-3 was where it was at
4.8% (19)
4.8% (19)
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Filiecs:

I see your point.
Also, Rainbow Dash Ski-Jumping over a shark would be goddamn amazing.
This needs to be drawn now...

If it has to do with ponies, someone on DeviantArt has drawn it.

Im not sure were your coming from, the characters all have their flaws and thats why I love them so much. In season 1 Twilight was damn near perfect in everyway from ep 2 onwards, same with Fluttershy. The show is still aimed at little girls and showing that its alright to mess up as long as you fix what you broke is all fine by me. Hell the only character I think they re-hashed a lesson with fully was AJ (Applebuck season = Apple Family Reunion) and I still enjoyed those eps.

'Lesson Zero' showed Twilight actually had flaws, which was good, not to mention hilarious and the same goes for 'Putting your hoof down' in respect to Fluttershy who has kept some of that aggression (something you don't see in alot of kids shows, especially ones aimed at girls).

'Baby Cakes' was just an excuse for abit of fun, I doubt they'd still be that strong after they reached fillyhood.

'A Friend in Deed' was just Pinkie being Pinkie, it just demonstrated not everyone can handle that sort of friendship, afterall Cranky still told her to get lost at the end of the ep even though he liked her now.

'MMMystery on the Friendship Express' was always intended to be a spoof but I will admit the characters acted a bit dickish, even if it was still funny.

I enjoyed 'A Canterlot Wedding' so im just gonna say thats a taste thing, even if it was a tad cheesy.

I do sort of agree with the whole Discord thing, but he was a fan favourite so they wanted to make him a reaccuring character and if it means watching De Lancie go about his buisness im all for it.

Im not attacking your taste dude/dudette, if you no longer like the show fair play but I deffinatly don't think its gotten worse, maybe less solid overall but coincidering how creative it still manages to be after 3 seasons, im loving it.

I have my own theory. I can't help but feel as if the "problem" might be because the creators are listening to their fans a little too much.

These are some of the common things I've been hearing from fans of the show:
-Bring Trixie back
-Applejack really needs her own song already
-the episodes where the ponies are battling evil forces are AMAZING!
-Discord was the best villain EVAR!

All of these, from what I understand, have been incorporated this season in some way, yet people are complaining it's not a good season. See what I mean?

If MLP did indeed jump the shark, it's probably because the creators lost sight of what the show was originally about when they decided to pander to so many people at once.

Did someone said a shark?

Dangit2019:

klaynexas3:

I thought it was more of an outlook on Communism with a twinge of Jewish money grubbing.

No no no, your thinking of the Super Cider Squeezy 9000 episode. That was definitely advocating communism.

ThisGuyLikesNoTacos:

Hell, all this pandering and 'jumping the shark' happen solely because of bronies. Now that's funny.

I think Yahtzee was asked a question about what a fanbase can do to provide helpful criticism towards their content creators. His answer: "Don't."

And this is what happens when people don't follow that advice.

I don't pretend to know anything about My Little Pony, in fact I clicked this thread to see what MLP stood for and ended up browsing through peoples responses. However I have to say Yahtzee's advice is terrible. If creators do not have a finger on the pulse of their viewership then they run a very high risk of losing their fans and finding themselves looking for another job. It is necessary to know what the fans like and don't like about your content and then use that information wisely while maintaining your artistic and professional integrity. It is the poor use of this feedback that leads to the heavy handed uneven pandering that some are complaining of in this thread.

Snownine:

Dangit2019:

klaynexas3:

I thought it was more of an outlook on Communism with a twinge of Jewish money grubbing.

No no no, your thinking of the Super Cider Squeezy 9000 episode. That was definitely advocating communism.

ThisGuyLikesNoTacos:

Hell, all this pandering and 'jumping the shark' happen solely because of bronies. Now that's funny.

I think Yahtzee was asked a question about what a fanbase can do to provide helpful criticism towards their content creators. His answer: "Don't."

And this is what happens when people don't follow that advice.

I don't pretend to know anything about My Little Pony, in fact I clicked this thread to see what MLP stood for and ended up browsing through peoples responses. However I have to say Yahtzee's advice is terrible. If creators do not have a finger on the pulse of their viewership then they run a very high risk of losing their fans and finding themselves looking for another job. It is necessary to know what the fans like and don't like about your content and then use that information wisely while maintaining your artistic and professional integrity. It is the poor use of this feedback that leads to the heavy handed uneven pandering that some are complaining of in this thread.

I disagree. I've been a fan of Opeth for over a decade now; not once have they pandered to their fans. People are drawn to creators because of their vision. Those who decide to part ways because the creator goes somewhere they don't agree with are affordable losses. An artist does't create art to get the biggest fanbase, they do it because that's what they want to create. People are drawn to that, and I think it's an exaggeration to say that not listening to the fans will cause them to lose out on their trade entirely.

I'll be brutally honest and say that I've enjoyed season two and three more than I did season one. The writing is inconsistent at times, though I feel that people who get upset about that are taking the show much too seriously, but I feel as if the show has started doing things I personally prefer. And I believe that fans are expecting a little too much. MLP is a great cartoon, no doubt about it, but the occasional plot hole is to be expected with the show's slice of life style presentation.

Different authors write different things and each has their own interpretation of the characters. Little blips are to be expected, and people should stop taking it so seriously.

Season one was a masterpiece and was virtually flawless, season two was great but many obvious flaws had arisen and the show took a big turn changing from a "slice of life" character driven narrative to a action focused narrative driven show.

Season 3...is a fucking train wreck. With the exceptions of two episodes, it has been absolutely terrible in every department besides animation (which is nearly impossible to screw up anyways). The characters are no longer relatable and are very badly written (overreacting EVERYTHING), the stories have potential but are always messed up and it feels like they're forcing the characters through situations in the wrong way, and the pandering to fans is shameless.

I'll miss the show I once loved and cherished, but at least I'll still have approx. two seasons of greatness to remember. Its was certainly very enjoyable while it lasted. *doffs hat*

I like what they've been doing for the most part. The show grows, advances if you will.
I've only disliked the season opener for S3, every episode after that has been pretty awesome.
The other seasons I've had more episodes I didn't like in them. But 26 to 13, averages and luck maybe.

Discord becoming good. Why not, he's the embodiment of Chaos, he can be good. And just as easily he can fall back to his old ways.
I still have times where I see that something was grating on things, but they're not support breakers. Every show bumps into pot holes on the road as every other show does.

So do I think the show has jumped the shark. No.
Do you want a show that stays the same for 5 seasons straight. The characters only developing along the path set out for them, or branching into different areas?
Not to mention this show is special. Cause of the Bronies. They like to make the show appeal more to us too. You still get the lessons. But you get some action.
So I like what they're doing with it. They're growing it like a tree and not like building a track. And it will get even better I hope.

Just remember the big one. Love and tolerate.

Oh look. More doomsaying. Yay.

I've liked MLP as much as I ever have with Season 3. Not sure what everyone's deal is.

It's just a cartoon.

I still find it enjoyable I think people forget that the first 2 seasons had their share of bad episodes and this season has had about the same amount. I think it's that people hold the show in such a high regard because of its amazing episodes they sweep the bad ones under the rug. I guarantee that at this time next year people will be complaining about season 4 and will asking why it isn't as good as the first 3 seasons when in reality there is no change just nostalgia blindness.

Watched I think maybe watched the first season(totally watched a couple of episodes) back when I was doing drugs... Reflecting upon from what I remember I was glad it was something my little cousin was watching, as it was way above par form the crap Disney is crapping out. I'm not a fan, but every now and then I'll watch half and episode with my little cousin, if only she didn't like the Justin beaver!!!

Season 3 has had some less than stellar episodes, but when they've been getting it right--
they've been hitting them right out of the park.
At least one of the amazing episodes did feel like it had a rushed ending.
Does anyone else get the impression that Celestia is gearing up for war?

Drathnoxis:
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I think everyone can agree that Season 1 was the best times for MLP:FiM. I actually really liked Season 2.. sure it had it's ups and downs but still enjoyable plus the first 2 and last 2 episodes (with villains involved) were what made the season worth it. Loved both and shall cherish them one way or another.

It's this Season, the third one.. that I am starting to dislike MLP:FiM. The shows are dull, nothing is really funny or entertaining, plus the characters are becoming hollow. The worst episode was just recent, the "Apple Family Reunion". So boring and utterly slow paced, nothing was even remotely funny. Also they turned Pinkie Pie from a heart warming pony into one that causes situations to become worse while Twilight Sparkle has nothing significant about her anymore. Literally, she's just. .. there now, and way to much into her studies not even showing any interest or value about friendships anymore.

Honestly, I hope it picks up because if the shows start to go downhill and nothing improves, I will stop being a fan. I stopped being a full on Brony because of the community (even though not everyone caused it, and some members are awesome) but at this rate the show might push me away. Luckily the return of Discord episode made things better again and is my favorite of Season 3 so far.

Coldster:
Season one was a masterpiece and was virtually flawless, season two was great but many obvious flaws had arisen and the show took a big turn changing from a "slice of life" character driven narrative to a action focused narrative driven show.

Season 3...is a fucking train wreck. With the exceptions of two episodes, it has been absolutely terrible in every department besides animation (which is nearly impossible to screw up anyways). The characters are no longer relatable and are very badly written (overreacting EVERYTHING), the stories have potential but are always messed up and it feels like they're forcing the characters through situations in the wrong way, and the pandering to fans is shameless.

I'll miss the show I once loved and cherished, but at least I'll still have approx. two seasons of greatness to remember. Its was certainly very enjoyable while it lasted. *doffs hat*

You actually stated it better then I could of.

I salute you for expressing it in ways I wish I could (see post above).
Yea, only the latest episode and I believe the Trixie episode was worthwhile. Every other episode thumbed down the characters especially "Spike At Your Service". Did you see how they made him awful at cleaning when he's Twilight's assistant who's known to be good at cleaning and organizing? That episode was obviously forced out there, if that makes sense. Pretty awful season so far, sorry to rant.

Can't agree with that. The likes/dislikes of episodes in each season were equal in all 3 of them.
To your point with the overexaggeration of the characters i can totally agree in the case of my former best-pony Pinkie. In Season 3 she's just the MLP equivalent of forced internet memes and crazy/annoyingness for the sake of it.

Though AJ, Rarity and RD somehow grew during S2/3, imo.

What annoys me the most is the inconsistence of the episodes. Sometimes it seems the writers have no common ground <.< There's 1 author i've in mind specially .. in every of his/her episode the characters just behave totally out-of-character, it's a pain to watch.

It definitly hasn't jumped the shark yet :)

Kaulen Fuhs:

Snownine:

Dangit2019:

No no no, your thinking of the Super Cider Squeezy 9000 episode. That was definitely advocating communism.

I think Yahtzee was asked a question about what a fanbase can do to provide helpful criticism towards their content creators. His answer: "Don't."

And this is what happens when people don't follow that advice.

I don't pretend to know anything about My Little Pony, in fact I clicked this thread to see what MLP stood for and ended up browsing through peoples responses. However I have to say Yahtzee's advice is terrible. If creators do not have a finger on the pulse of their viewership then they run a very high risk of losing their fans and finding themselves looking for another job. It is necessary to know what the fans like and don't like about your content and then use that information wisely while maintaining your artistic and professional integrity. It is the poor use of this feedback that leads to the heavy handed uneven pandering that some are complaining of in this thread.

I disagree. I've been a fan of Opeth for over a decade now; not once have they pandered to their fans. People are drawn to creators because of their vision. Those who decide to part ways because the creator goes somewhere they don't agree with are affordable losses. An artist does't create art to get the biggest fanbase, they do it because that's what they want to create. People are drawn to that, and I think it's an exaggeration to say that not listening to the fans will cause them to lose out on their trade entirely.

Before I start I want to apologize for the length of this post, I just wanted to convey my feeling. Also I think this is an interesting topic and it is good that we are discussing it.

I meant more along the lines of television were losses can and are actually very devastating and often lead to the cancellation of shows. I did not mean the person would be run out of show business, I just mean they run the risk having to find another project to work on. The example I am thinking of right now is Star Trek the Next Generation. The character Wesley Crusher was very unpopular with fans. He was portrayed as this super wunderkind that frequently saved the entire ship and showed up a crew of people that were supposed to be the elite of Starfleet. It contributed to the cheesy feel of early TNG. Because of the reaction of fans his character was scaled down a little and brought to a much more palatable level. This, along with a number of other changes, helped mold TNG into the superior show it became. And although the people writing, directing and performing for television are artists they are also making a commodity for consumers, i.e. the viewers. And in any market place, of which television is a notoriously rough one, if you are not giving the consumer what they want they often will find someone who will. I do in fact hold artistic integrity and sticking to ones vision very highly, I feel that it is both an admirable quality and can often lead to some very interesting results that would otherwise be ruined by interference from say the fans of the TV executives. However artists are also human and therefore do make mistakes sometimes, such as the terrible treatment of Wesley's character, and by listening to fans they can get an idea of what is working or not and choose whether or not they feel they want or should make a change. Constructive criticism is a good thing and without it most artists would never have been able to learn or hone their craft.

roushutsu:
I have my own theory. I can't help but feel as if the "problem" might be because the creators are listening to their fans a little too much.

These are some of the common things I've been hearing from fans of the show:
-Bring Trixie back
-Applejack really needs her own song already
-the episodes where the ponies are battling evil forces are AMAZING!
-Discord was the best villain EVAR!

All of these, from what I understand, have been incorporated this season in some way, yet people are complaining it's not a good season. See what I mean?

If MLP did indeed jump the shark, it's probably because the creators lost sight of what the show was originally about when they decided to pander to so many people at once.

And here it is, the real reason why the show is declining in quality: it's started pandering to its brony audience instead of sticking to the show's values.

This season absolutely REEKS of shameless pandering to the brony audience. This is illustrated by:
1) Bringing back Discord and Trixie and "reforming" both of them. I strongly suspect the writers did this to get rid of the characters so they won't have to field any more "bring them back" complaints from bronies....which is a TERRIBLE reason to write a story with them in it.
2) More songs with less actual reason behind them, just for the sake of having songs. Crystal Empire's songs were entirely pointless within the context of the episode. Most of the songs of S1 had a genuine reason for being there, they didn't just start singing spontaneously (except Pinkie, where it's an established part of her character). And even if they had a purpose, they still weren't as good as some of the best from S2.
3) More uses of non-Mane-6 characters without much of a clue what to do with them. This started in Season 2's finale, where Luna basically cameos but doesn't have a purpose for being there. My bet is that they saw the high demand for Luna being at the wedding from their brony audience, and stuffed her into the ep at the last second. Luna's also shown up twice in this season, neither time playing a very large role...it's like she's showing up just to remind us she exists, but the writers have no idea what to do with her. Her appearance in the Scootaloo ep is better than in the season opener, but still not as strong as it should be. This is a problem with other characters, too....such as Zecora's "mentoring" position in Magic Duel in which she mentors Twilight in the ancient magical art of....nothing, because she doesn't actually teach Twilight much of anything.
4) Ruining the characterization of their characters in favor of more references and brony nods. Again, started in Season 2 but really got awful in Season 3. "Spike at your Service" was positively abysmal in this regard, throwing out Spike's true character so they can have a comedic Star Wars "life debt" parody. "Too Many Pinkie Pies" and most episodes in S3 with Pinkie just drag her characterization through the mud, too, by basically turning her into a random joke factory. Yes, she was random in S1, but not THIS random. She goes absolutely off the damn wall in the new season, saying and doing things that make no sense in context, and even making references to things not in-universe because "lol randomness is funny". I've been waiting for her to yell "NARF" because it seems like they're trying to make her Pinky from Animaniacs instead of keeping to her character. Yes, she's bubbly and silly and a little loony, even, but Season 3 makes it so much worse.

And all of these things can be summarized as "too much catering to the bronies". They're trying to appeal to their teen/adult audience now instead of sticking to the show's original intentions, they're decimating their characters, and they're writing weaker stories.

I've gotta be honest, I'm starting to hope this'll be the last season.

No, it hasn't. Just because something gets a below or around average season does not spell doom and gloom.

Yes, it has. Discord becoming a good guy? Shark. Jumped.

Everyone says 'well Trixie reformed and she was a villain'. No. Okay, Trixie was a bully. A misunderstood bully who just wanted ATTENTION.

Now, Discord? Legit. Threat. He DEPOWERED the Mane six. COMPLETELY. The only reason they came back and beat him was because Celestia managed to pull a massive Batman Gambit. Had that not happened? Equestria=doomed. He should have remained stone and then be shattered into dust.

But no, we get, "You can reform Discord through friendship. Get to it." Just. WHY THE FUCK? They just demeaned my favorite villain.

I'd rather he come back, be evil, and get destroyed by Vinyl Scratch's BASS CANNON than be 'reformed'.

All this reforming shit does is teach bad life lessons. "Look, kids, he was a monster, but he's good now!" NO.

No. No. No.

If Lauren Faust was still involved, she would have put a stop to this BS I think.

3 has not been my favourite season...Keep Calm and Flutter On made me officially stop following show cannon, it was just that bullshit. And I'm not liking the massive amount of focus on the side characters. Or the plotholes. A lot of the shows this season have made me rant, yeah.

But it's a kid show, so you're not going to get the perfection of Buffy or Firefly.

That said, no. I don't think they've jumped the shark yet. I was expecting that with the Alicorn Twilight BS, but that seems to have disappeared off to the straight-to-dvd 66 minute movie thing so it should be reasonably ignorable.

For those of you saying that episodes like Magic Duel and whatnot are pandering, are you aware of how long it takes to actually pitch an episode and when it gets to be written up and/or finished? Magic Duel at least was pitched on January 2011. Hell it was originally going to be a season 2 episode. The fanbase was very small back in Jan of 2011 too. I bet some of the other season 3 episodes were the same way. Dunno about Keep Calm and Flutter on though. But yeah, this fanbase does a lot of overanalysing for a show that is at it's core, a kids show and I too think the writers shouldn't allow themselves to get influenced by bronies any more than perhaps minor visual gags and such ( which isn't even their department really) . While season 3 has been of a lesser quality than the previous two overall it's far from the worst possible thing, that being the future season 4 being consistently the same quality or being of a lesser quality than S3 was. It's still good enough for my and many others enjoyment.

Arcadian Legend:
For those of you saying that episodes like Magic Duel and whatnot are pandering, are you aware of how long it takes to actually pitch an episode and when it gets to be written up and/or finished? Magic Duel at least was pitched on January 2011. Hell it was originally going to be a season 2 episode. The fanbase was very small back in Jan of 2011 too. I bet some of the other season 3 episodes were the same way.

Just because an episode concept was pitched on Day X doesn't mean that the episode's entire script was already written by that point. Many developers of TV content will pitch an idea and get a greenlight sans script, as they don't always have time to waste writing scripts that they won't end up using.

Coldster:
Season one was a masterpiece and was virtually flawless, season two was great but many obvious flaws had arisen and the show took a big turn changing from a "slice of life" character driven narrative to a action focused narrative driven show.

Season 3...is a fucking train wreck. With the exceptions of two episodes, it has been absolutely terrible in every department besides animation (which is nearly impossible to screw up anyways). The characters are no longer relatable and are very badly written (overreacting EVERYTHING), the stories have potential but are always messed up and it feels like they're forcing the characters through situations in the wrong way, and the pandering to fans is shameless.

I'll miss the show I once loved and cherished, but at least I'll still have approx. two seasons of greatness to remember. Its was certainly very enjoyable while it lasted. *doffs hat*

This is exactly how I feel about the show except for I don't believe season 1 is flawless, season 2 I thought was average but looking back on it now I feel that there are very few episodes that I would go back and rewatch and still enjoy. Season 3 though just plain sucks.

CriticKitten:

Arcadian Legend:
For those of you saying that episodes like Magic Duel and whatnot are pandering, are you aware of how long it takes to actually pitch an episode and when it gets to be written up and/or finished? Magic Duel at least was pitched on January 2011. Hell it was originally going to be a season 2 episode. The fanbase was very small back in Jan of 2011 too. I bet some of the other season 3 episodes were the same way.

Just because an episode concept was pitched on Day X doesn't mean that the episode's entire script was already written by that point. Many developers of TV content will pitch an idea and get a greenlight sans script, as they don't always have time to waste writing scripts that they won't end up using.

But that's the thing, I'm talking about the episode concept here, (sorry, should have specified better) that being that Trixie was going to make a return and not so much about the as then unwritten script. Trixie's return was one of the things that the fans wanted the most and they got it. Though not necessarily due to their own wishes but rather because it was planned all along.

Drathnoxis:

Well, as season two ran it's course it became more and more clear that the show I loved was dying. Characters that had always been so well defined became inconsistent. In fact, Twilight Sparkle was horribly flanderized in the very first episode not directed by Faust, Lesson Zero. She goes so absolutely batshit insane over the fact that she missed one little deadline (that I might add was never specified in her original assignment) that she actually puts the town in danger and Celestia has to step in to clean things up!

Now, if this had been an isolated incident I would have just chalked it up as the one bad episode that every show has, but it set a precedent of sloppy writing and asinine plots that snowballed as the season went on. Baby Cakes: two babbys that -- straight from the womb -- could give Twilight and Rainbow Dash a run for their money in magic and flying respectively. A Friend in Deed: Pinkie sets out to absolutely *ruin* an innocent donkey's life just so he would be her friend and actually manages to get her way at the end. Putting Your Hoof Down: the entire town decides that it is cruelty to Fluttershy day, and Fluttershy responds by getting lessons on how to be a complete asshole. MMMystery on the Friendship Express: half of the mane six prove themselves to be complete jerks with no regard for anyone or anything than full-filling any desire that pops into their selfish little heads as the completely destroy the cake that the, er, Cakes poured hours of blood and sweat into for the competition. And then there was the Canterlot Wedding. Oh man, here we find out that Twilight has a long lost brother who actually wasn't lost and that she loves so very dearly that she never thought to even mention him *anyone* before this time, even in passing.

You're more than welcome to your oppinion (YAY! INTERWEBZ!) but it just seems to me like you were looking for reasons to not like the show, and found little nit-picks to blow into massive problems.

It's fine if you don't like the show anymore, everyone has their own tastes. And to be perfectly honest, I fall into the category that says "Not as good as the first season, but I still like the show." So I do agree in a declining quality. But I just think that saying the show has completely jumped the shark is a bit much.

But then again, like most popular things, we love to build them up to godly status only to tear them right back down. I'd imagine that MLP will suffer this same fate, but I don't think it's there quite yet.

*re-reads his post* Wow, and here I wouldn't even really call myself a "brony", just someone who enjoys the show. :P

mronoc:
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Most of my issues with ACW comes from the last act of part 2. After Chrysalis's reveal, her IQ drops like an anvil and Celestia gets literally knocked out in one hit from a very anticlimactic beam battle. Some of the really stupid mistakes Chrysalis makes are as follows:

- Telling her entire plan to all of the ponies bar Luna that can stop her, including her biggest threat Celestia.

- After capturing the Mane 6, she doesn't restrain them like she does Celestia and Cadence, nor does she separate them. All of her enemies together in one room and within five meters from her, and she lets half of them roam free together.

- Neither she nor the other changelings bother to pay any attention to their prisoners, or at the very least none of them bothered to stop Twilight from freeing Cadence while she's openly talking about freeing her so she can go save Shining Armor.

- The classic example - Chrysalis laughs at and underestimates the power of love when it's the very source of her own power. You know, the very thing that supposedly let her beat Celestia. She then sits there and watches while Shining Armor and Cadence charge up their Love Nuke, instead of trying to stop it at all.

There's also numerous other plotholes in this part, like Luna's unexplained absence and - my personal favorite to bitch about - two half-dead ponies being able to one-shot the entire changeling army, including the queen, when a perfectly healthy Celestia got completely curbstomped by the queen alone. I think you got the idea though, so I'll quit rambling about part 2's climax for now.

As for part 1, it has some plotholes of it's own but does do a good job of establishing the new characters as much as possible in a 22-minute span and leaves us with a flat-out awesome double-twist ending that also gives some personality to Shining Armor. The songs in both episodes were really good as well; if a bit repetitive (This Day Aria), nonsensical (BBBFF), or pop-music like (Love's in Bloom). I still listen to two of them often, so that's a good sign. The background music by William Anderson is nothing short of phenominal (I even listen to that often; just listen to the music during Chrysalis's reveal XD). The humor in both episodes is severely lacking, but Twi's character arc is spot on and makes this very enjoyable to watch. Lastly, Chrysalis, before we even know who she actually is, is established as very intelligent and deceptive, managing to fool all of Canterlot without raising any suspicions; which is why her later mistakes irritate me so.

I'm going off on a tangent here, aren't I? Still, I don't hate ACW, but wow does it have some issues. I guess what really irritates me is how it had so much potential, but mucked that up so badly at the end. The two-parter is not bad, but it's so very far from being among the best of FiM when it very well could have been. It also gets far more credit than other episodes that I feel are underrated, such as Sisterhooves Social, which irritates me even further.

Is MLP past it's prime? In one man's opinion, not at all.

Now, I like season 1 as much as the next fan, but in all honesty, I feel that season 2 was even BETTER. The number of episodes I liked VS the number of episodes I didn't like was much higher in season 2 for me, and it also gave us the first CMC episode that I actually LIKED (Hearts and Hooves Day).

Season 3 has been a bit more of a mixed bag for me, kinda split evenly between episodes I liked, episodes I didn't like, and episodes I'm indifferent to. But that hardly means that the show is past it's prime.

The writing is still top-notch, the characters are still entertaining and enjoyable, and the animation is better than ever. Really, I thought that all this talk of "The show will suck without Lauren Faust" was over by this point. Of course she's important, but there are still plenty of very talented people who work on the show, and WANT to make it succeed.

Really, I feel like the TC is complaining about the details, while losing sight of the big picture.

Caramel Frappe:

I think everyone can agree that Season 1 was the best times for MLP:FiM.

This statement is painfully wrong. Season 2 introduced neat characters like Discord and Iron Will while Season 3 brought back Trixie and, well, had more Discord. (You can never have too much Discord.) The show has been improving ever since the limitation of Friendship Letters has been almost removed in S2-E3. Sure, not every episode is amazing, but most of them have been a fun ride and this ride hasn't shown any signs of slowing down.
People are taking this awesome show too seriously.

Instead of taking part in the debate, I've prepared a handy graph for all of you.

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I too felt that after the first season it went down a bit.

Some of that had to do with the change in staff, Hasbro getting involved with Derpy along with Bronies no longer making the amazing 'WOW' stuff they used to.
The opening and ending of the season was great though.

Season 3 had a good opening, but apart from that... I am not feeling it anymore.

I am not going denounce myself being a Brony, but I have noticed that the writing has gone downhill.

I hope that the show focus on good ideas and goes with that, me think one of the problems is that now the show is trying to appeal to a wide audience.

Madmanonfire:

Caramel Frappe:

I think everyone can agree that Season 1 was the best times for MLP:FiM.

This statement is painfully wrong. Season 2 introduced neat characters like Discord and Iron Will while Season 3 brought back Trixie and, well, had more Discord. (You can never have too much Discord.) The show has been improving ever since the limitation of Friendship Letters has been almost removed in S2-E3. Sure, not every episode is amazing, but most of them have been a fun ride and this ride hasn't shown any signs of slowing down.
People are taking this awesome show too seriously.

Very true, I found that Dexter and Breaking Bad both got really boring in Season 3, but MLP doesn't seem to have done that, so it may have been getting more off the wall and ridiculous, but I don't see that as a bad thing.

erttheking:

Ekit:

Dangit2019:

lolwut

The episode Feeling Pinkie Keen is religious and anti-science propaganda. The moral of the story is that you should believe the supernatural explanations to things that you can't explain, that rationality and deductive reasoning always should be put second to blind belief and that trying to find out objective facts about reality on your own is a pointless endeavour.

That is a horrible moral and something that in my opinion doesn't belong in a program aimed at children.

For those who haven't seen the episode. The episode is about Pinkie Pie's supernatural ability to predict the future. Twilight Sparkle tries the entire episode to find a rational explanation to why Pinkie Pie can defy the rules of reality and keeps telling herself that Pinkie Pie's predictions are just coincidences.

In the end though she gives up trying to find a logical explanation to Pinkie Pie's ability and just accepts the fact that Pinkie Pie can predict the future and that there is no explanation.

The episode ends with this quote:

Twilight Sparkle:

Dear Princess Celestia,

I am happy to report that I now realize there are wonderful things in this world you just can't explain, but that doesn't necessarily make them any less true. It just means you have to choose to believe in them.

Methinks that you're over analyzing a little bit. Also you are blowing it way way way WAY out of proportion. See Lauren's thoughts on it.

http://pandasennin.deviantart.com/art/Lauren-Faust-s-2-cent-on-Feeling-Pinkie-Keen-285338098

I don't think I'm overanalyzing. I really can't see how you can interpret the moral of the story in any other way than "belief is better than the pursuit of knowledge".

Lauren Faust even agrees with me on this, the only objection she raised in her response is that belief and faith doesn't necessarily have to apply to religion.

The point is that Twilight spends the entire episode trying to use her rationality and critical thinking and in the end it turns out to be a waste of energy since there was no explanation and "you have to choose to believe". The story punishes Twilight (physically) everytime she tries to find the truth and and (arguably) vilifies her by making the moral of the story contradict her morals.

I do agree that I was overreacting, I don't care for MLP that much, but it frustrates me to see that so many adults are willing to praise a show like MLP without any critical thinking or criticism. It's not the end of the world, it's only a very questionable episode of a childrens cartoon.

klaynexas3:

Ekit:

Dangit2019:

lolwut

The episode Feeling Pinkie Keen is religious and anti-science propaganda. The moral of the story is that you should believe the supernatural explanations to things that you can't explain, that rationality and deductive reasoning always should be put second to blind belief and that trying to find out objective facts about reality on your own is a pointless endeavour.

That is a horrible moral and something that in my opinion doesn't belong in a program aimed at children.

For those who haven't seen the episode. The episode is about Pinkie Pie's supernatural ability to predict the future. Twilight Sparkle tries the entire episode to find a rational explanation to why Pinkie Pie can defy the rules of reality and keeps telling herself that Pinkie Pie's predictions are just coincidences.

In the end though she gives up trying to find a logical explanation to Pinkie Pie's ability and just accepts the fact that Pinkie Pie can predict the future and that there is no explanation.

The episode ends with this quote:

Twilight Sparkle:

Dear Princess Celestia,

I am happy to report that I now realize there are wonderful things in this world you just can't explain, but that doesn't necessarily make them any less true. It just means you have to choose to believe in them.

I thought it was more of an outlook on Communism with a twinge of Jewish money grubbing.

In all seriousness, if you want to take the episode in that light(such a negative one I'd say) then fine, but I feel like that's a bit over board calling it religious propaganda. Some things you really just can't explain, they just happen, that's just as true in Ponyville as it is for our world too. And while Twilight did say believe, it was simple to infer that Pinkie Pie was capable to tell the future, so while she might not be able to understand the why and how of it, Twilight still isn't just accepting it as blindly believing it, but as an observation of a phenomenon.

Aeonknight:

While I can see where you're coming from with that observation, I wouldn't necessarily say it's to that degree you mention. They're not trying to convert anyone, just saying that religion is a thing, and whichever way you go on it is ok. Even if you disagree with religion in every sense of the word and what it represents, it really didn't shove it down your throat like you're implying.

Now if you want real examples of religious propaganda, I suggest you go watch a few episodes of Veggie Tales.

Edit: yes I reworded and rephrased a few things from the original post, just in case you quote me to reply. I just woke up, trying to word things a bit better than in the original post.

Yeah, maybe I was too harsh in calling it religious propaganda, since it isn't openly referring to religion, but rather "faith" which you could argue isn't exclusive to religion. But I definitely think that the episode's moral is anti-critical thinking.

The reason for this is that Twilight is physically punished everytime she tries to research the situation using logic and reasoning. In a story with a clear moral to it, which all MLP episodes have, the person who isn't following the moral of the story is punished. This is to illustrate how the moral the story is teaching is correct. By punishing Twilight they are saying that she is wrong and Pinkie is right.

Madmanonfire:

Caramel Frappe:

I think everyone can agree that Season 1 was the best times for MLP:FiM.

This statement is painfully wrong. Season 2 introduced neat characters like Discord and Iron Will while Season 3 brought back Trixie and, well, had more Discord. (You can never have too much Discord.) The show has been improving ever since the limitation of Friendship Letters has been almost removed in S2-E3. Sure, not every episode is amazing, but most of them have been a fun ride and this ride hasn't shown any signs of slowing down.
People are taking this awesome show too seriously.

In all honesty, I would like to say this is mainly your opinion. Everyone has stated different tastes in which season has been best, while others just sit back to enjoy the show. I'm perfectly fine with you feeling that season 2 and season 3 is improved over season 1's episodes along with the fact Discord is a very likable character I feel we can't have to much of. However .. stating I am not wrong but painfully wrong might be exaggerating it.

Whenever I am visiting websites such as Youtube (especially youtube), DeviantArt, Know Your Meme, Equestria Daily, and Facebook- a lot of people discuss how they've missed the show being what it used to be. There are people like you who've came to love the show changing it's style and introducing said villains, but many got into the show solely because of how season 1 was like.

By the way I am not upset just wanted to point out that people have lounged for the show to return to how season 1 is like while others like yourself (which is perfectly okay overall) love where the show has been going. Personally, for me and my opinion, season 3 has been lacking a lot due to how dull half the episodes have been feeling sadly.

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