You know what Twilight's alicornification reminds me of? Princess Promenade from G3, and its premise of Wysteria becoming a princess herself, but becoming unable to be with her friends again. Twilight will eventually go through what Wysteria went through herself, except it'll probably be much, much worse, being the darker, edgier G4 and everything.
However, I highly doubt Twilight would use her newly acquired alicorn magic to turn her five friends into alicorns themselves, the same way Princess Wysteria decreed that her friends became princesses. Firstly, it would require five times as much magic as Celestia will probably use to turn her student into an alicorn, since there are five of them and only one of her. Second of all, even if Twilight could, I highly doubt Princess Celestia would even condone her turning her friends into alicorn goddesses, fearing that she might "corrupt" them with unlimited power and everything.
That means Twilight would have to make one of two choices:
1. Resign from her royal duties, turn back into a unicorn, and reunite with her friends, so that she could grow old and die together with her friends.
2. Remain an immortal god-princess for the rest of her lonely, reclusive life, while her friends are forever outlived by one of their own.
Once the Princess Coronation episode comes out, I hope she picks option one. I once saw background cells of Sweet Apple Acres and the Carousel Boutique run-down and abandoned. That means by the time Twilight revisits Ponyville as an alicorn one thousand years later, it will be all but abandoned, and her friends dead. Once she sees it all for herself, she might go to Princess Celestia, resign from her royal duties forever, and ask that she travels back in time to the Ponyville she once knew, so that she could be with her friends again like last time. And, when that happens, Celestia has to say yes, because she's often the soft, forgiving kind, rather than the oppressive dictator Twilight is always imagining her she'd be, even though she isn't.
And Hasbro, if any time you're reading this, please, PLEASE make Twilight Sparkle pick option one in the Season Three finale! The reason why Twilight went to Ponyville was so that she could take a vacation from her studies to make friends. To have her outright abandon her friends to become an immortal alicorn just goes against the core essence that made the show good in the first place. It almost reminds me of the way Sega released Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic '06, both of which deliberately abandoned the Sonic franchise's core speed and platforming for broken gameplay, convoluted "serious" storylines, and bad and unnecessary auxiliary characters.
There is almost no way you can change a franchise, even if it's for the better, without getting fanboy backlash. Even if Hasbro keeps Twilight's mortality, just so that she could grow old together with her friends rather than outlive them, it's still jumping the shark. Plus, there are two of each species of pony in the Mane Six, including two unicorns, two pegasi, and two earth ponies. Turning one of those unicorns into an alicorn would only upset that balance, as we'd have two earth ponies and two pegasi, but only one unicorn.
We have no idea about the story, except for the 2 sentance sypnosis. Every detail except for her becoming in alicorn is just speculation right now.
EternalNothingness: There is almost no way you can change a franchise, even if it's for the better, without getting fanboy backlash.
What is this statement supposed to prove? That Hasbro and the writers should coddle us and give in to our demands? Well, then everybody would bitch about fan pandering.
There's no way to win absolutely, so they might as well take a risk storywise (and a good investment on the toy side) instead of making sure that the fanbase (which, as I've said in threads before, THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR IN THE FIRST PLACE) is satisfied with mediocrity.
Dangit2019: We have no idea about the story, except for the 2 sentance sypnosis. Every detail except for her becoming in alicorn is just speculation right now.
EternalNothingness: There is almost no way you can change a franchise, even if it's for the better, without getting fanboy backlash.
What is this statement supposed to prove? That Hasbro and the writers should coddle us and give in to our demands? Well, then everybody would bitch about fan pandering.
There's no way to win absolutely, so they might as well take a risk storywise (and a good investment on the toy side) instead of making sure that the fanbase (which, I repeat, THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR IN THE FIRST PLACE) is satisfied with mediocrity.
During the 80's, when Hasbro released Transformers: The Movie, they killed not only Optimus Prime from the show, but also cancelled the line of Optimus Prime toys to reflect his death. So, they replaced him with Hot Rod, who would later go on as to become Rodimus Prime after acquiring the Matrix of Leadership. Unfortunately, all the Transformers fans--and even their parents--protested against Hasbro for this decision. They hated Rodimus Prime, and wanted Optimus resurrected. So, to quell their anger, they resurrected Optimus Prime from the show, as well as restarted the Optimus Prime toylines to reflect it.
I know because I've watched an episode of The Big Picture, which, while focused on the death of Nintendo Power, discussed the fanboy backlash regarding Optimus' death. Click if you don't believe me.
Twilight's alicornification is not only going to go against the core essence of MLP: FiM, but it'll also be the controversy behind Optimus' death all over again. Once they turn Twilight into an alicorn, and maybe even have her abandon her friends for such a lifestyle, they'll be bound to face the same amount of backlash they used to receive from killing Optimus Prime, only this time from little girls and bronies alike.
EDIT: Oh, and let's not forget about the fan backlash regarding Sonic the Hedgehog. When Sonic Generations was released, it was met with good reviews since Sonic Adventure 2 for the Dreamcast (not its crappy re-releases, though). Why? Because a crap-load of angry Sonic fans protested against Sega for the bad decisions they made with Sonic the Hedgehog, from crapping out too many bad auxiliary characters, to giving Shadow a gun and his own game, and pairing Sonic with a human girl. Sonic Generations was made to quell all of that anger, and was met with a good reception from critics and fans alike as a result.
And don't forget Mass Effect 3's ending. It was so vague, convoluted, and lacking in closure, that the Mass Effect fans protested against BioWare to change the ending. They even came up with the Indoctrination Theory out of denial of the ending they actually received. I was like that, too, because I loved Mass Effect since I've played the first game. So, BioWare created the Extended Cut ending as a response to that outcry, not so much to change the ending, but rather to clarify the original ending. And man, was that an improvement!
So, if fans were the reason why we have Optimus resurrected, Sonic Generations created, and an Extended Cut ending for ME3, why can't they be the reason for returning Twilight Sparkle to a unicorn, and in-turn to her friends' side?
Shadowstar38: We have no idea what the episode actually consists of. There's no reason to get your panties in a knot weeks before we even see the thing.
You're free to like whatever you want, but this level of emotional investment is all kinds of weird.
This sums up my feeling on most fans of every video game or TV show on this site.
Fans have more of a say toward their favorite franchises than you might realize. The success or failure of a franchise depends on the fans and how they feel about the products they purchase. If there are any problems, such as Optimus' death, Sonic's bad video games, Mass Effect 3's ending, or Twilight's alicornification, fans report them to their original creators, so that they could improve on them. If those problems persist, however, then the fans give up on those products, and the original creators lose huge chunks of profit as a result.
It's the reason for George Lucas still receiving critical panning, not just for creating the Star Wars prequels while changing the original trilogy to reflect said prequels, but also for never listening to his fans. He could've released the original Star Wars trilogy uncut and unedited, just to appease those fans. Instead, he just gets more angry letters and death threats piling on his desk, as he continues to screw up the Star Wars franchise just because, to him, it's his series alone, despite its popularity resting on its fanbase.
But the main target audience probably aren't going to have any issue with this anyway. If I tell my little sister 'Twilight Sparkle's going to be a princess and she'll have wings' she'll probably love that idea and the only people having issue with this are the bronies.
Having Twilight become an alicorn will appeal to their main audience AND give them the opportunity to sell more toys, so they're not going to throw that away to appeal to a bunch of grown men and women who are getting mad at a purple pony becoming a princess.
During the 80's, when Hasbro released Transformers: The Movie, they killed not only Optimus Prime from the show, but also cancelled the line of Optimus Prime toys to reflect his death. So, they replaced him with Hot Rod, who would later go on as to become Rodimus Prime after acquiring the Matrix of Leadership. Unfortunately, all the Transformers fans--and even their parents--protested against Hasbro for this decision. They hated Rodimus Prime, and wanted Optimus resurrected. So, to quell their anger, they resurrected Optimus Prime from the show, as well as restarted the Optimus Prime toylines to reflect it.
I know because I've watched an episode of The Big Picture, which, while focused on the death of Nintendo Power, discussed the fanboy backlash regarding Optimus' death. Click if you don't believe me.
Very interesting. Too bad that's about the death and cancellation of a character, wheras this is the same character and personality with wings. They aren't really in the same ballpark.
Twilight's alicornification is not only going to go against the core essence of MLP: FiM, but it'll also be the controversy behind Optimus' death all over again. Once they turn Twilight into an alicorn, and maybe even have her abandon her friends for such a lifestyle, they'll be bound to face the same amount of backlash they used to receive from killing Optimus Prime, only this time from little girls and bronies alike.
First off, alicornification is a word I will now use daily. Second of all, she's not abandoning her friends. And last but not least, you set really high standards for little girls. Like, unnaturally high.
I'm sure every 5 year old is going to absolutely detest the narrative implications that come with this new change. Oh wait, no they won't, they'll probably be thinking about how awesome princesses are.
And bronies? We really should just stop whining and bitching so much about this damn show without even seeing it in context. Even YOU admitted that ranting about this whole thing achieves nothing.
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Hazy992: But the main target audience probably aren't going to have any issue with this anyway. If I tell my little sister 'Twilight Sparkle's going to be a princess and she'll have wings' she'll probably love that idea and the only people having issue with this are the bronies.
Having Twilight become an alicorn will appeal to their main audience AND give them the opportunity to sell more toys, so they're not going to throw that away to appeal to a bunch of grown men and women who are getting mad at a purple pony becoming a princess.
Fans have more of a say toward their favorite franchises than you might realize. The success or failure of a franchise depends on the fans and how they feel about the products they purchase. If there are any problems, such as Optimus' death, Sonic's bad video games, Mass Effect 3's ending, or Twilight's alicornification, fans report them to their original creators, so that they could improve on them. If those problems persist, however, then the fans give up on those products, and the original creators lose huge chunks of profit as a result.
It's the reason for George Lucas still receiving critical panning, not just for creating the Star Wars prequels while changing the original trilogy to reflect said prequels, but also for never listening to his fans. He could've released the original Star Wars trilogy uncut and unedited, just to appease those fans. Instead, he just gets more angry letters and death threats piling on his desk, as he continues to screw up the Star Wars franchise just because, to him, it's his series alone, despite its popularity resting on its fanbase.
You're forgetting the major problem though. When it comes to MLP, bronies are not important whatsoever.
You piss off a Mass Effect fan, they stop buying the games. That's a problem. But Hasbro can do whatever they want because, quite frankly, only the most obsessive of fans over the age of 13 would give a fuck.
You think the children, the demographic that they want watching the show, are loosing their shit about Twilight being an Alicorn? Hell no. They probably think its cool. That's because they're sitting back and enjoying the show instead of picking it apart like some crazed comic book nerd.
MLP fans are just making too much of a deal out of this.
Hazy992: But the main target audience probably aren't going to have any issue with this anyway. If I tell my little sister 'Twilight Sparkle's going to be a princess and she'll have wings' she'll probably love that idea and the only people having issue with this are the bronies.
Having Twilight become an alicorn will appeal to their main audience AND give them the opportunity to sell more toys, so they're not going to throw that away to appeal to a bunch of grown men and women who are getting mad at a purple pony becoming a princess.
As I said before, children were the ones who sent angry letters to Hasbro regarding Optimus Prime's death. The little boys hated Rodimus Prime, and wanted Optimus back, so they protested against Hasbro to resurrect the leader of the Autobots. In response, Hasbro resurrected him, and the little boys rejoiced.
The little girls of today will be the same way as the little boys of the eighties. They'll notice the flaws to Hasbro's decision to alicornify Twilight, namely that they would take her away from her friends forever. And, if they also notice that this will happen for the rest of the series, those same little girls are going to become angry at Hasbro and protest against them, telling them to return Twilight to her old, unicorn-self, so that she could grow old and die together with her friends, rather than outlive her own friends and remain lonely forever.
As I said before, children were the ones who sent angry letters to Hasbro regarding Optimus Prime's death. The little boys hated Rodimus Prime, and wanted Optimus back, so they protested against Hasbro to resurrect the leader of the Autobots. In response, Hasbro resurrected him, and the little boys rejoiced.
That would be because they killed the most popular character of the show, they didn't have him become some higher form of Autobot, they just freaking killed him off for ratings.
The little girls of today will be the same way as the little boys of the eighties. They'll notice the flaws to Hasbro's decision to alicornify Twilight, namely that they would take her away from her friends forever.
Still not happening.
And, if they also notice that this will happen for the rest of the series, those same little girls are going to become angry at Hasbro and protest against them, telling them to return Twilight to her old, unicorn-self, so that she could grow old and die together with her friends, rather than outlive her own friends and remain lonely forever.
You know, I once talked to a five year old girl about college. She said it was for "stupidheads", because why go to school for four more years?
That's the kind of logic your working with. No little girl's going to ponder the concept of immortality and death in a cartoon. Unless they're some type of prodigy, it's not even within their grasp mentally.
Hazy992: But the main target audience probably aren't going to have any issue with this anyway. If I tell my little sister 'Twilight Sparkle's going to be a princess and she'll have wings' she'll probably love that idea and the only people having issue with this are the bronies.
Having Twilight become an alicorn will appeal to their main audience AND give them the opportunity to sell more toys, so they're not going to throw that away to appeal to a bunch of grown men and women who are getting mad at a purple pony becoming a princess.
As I said before, children were the ones who sent angry letters to Hasbro regarding Optimus Prime's death. The little boys hated Rodimus Prime, and wanted Optimus back, so they protested against Hasbro to resurrect the leader of the Autobots. In response, Hasbro resurrected him, and the little boys rejoiced.
The little girls of today will be the same way as the little boys of the eighties. They'll notice the flaws to Hasbro's decision to alicornify Twilight, namely that they would take her away from her friends forever. And, if they also notice that this will happen for the rest of the series, those same little girls are going to become angry at Hasbro and protest against them, telling them to return Twilight to her old, unicorn-self, so that she could grow old and die together with her friends, rather than outlive her own friends and remain lonely forever.
This is different. Twilight is becoming a princess and most young girls think princesses are awesome, so in their eyes it's one of their favourite characters but more awesome than before. It's more like if Optimus Prime was suddenly able to transform into a jet as well as a truck. The kids watching it would think that's fucking awesome (I know I would have if I'd watched Transformers as a kid).
Your example is more akin to if Hasbro just decided to get rid of the Mane 6 completely, and introduce six new characters. It'd upset some of the young kids who liked the Mane 6 and it'd piss off the parents who now have to buy six more toys for their children.
Hazy992: But the main target audience probably aren't going to have any issue with this anyway. If I tell my little sister 'Twilight Sparkle's going to be a princess and she'll have wings' she'll probably love that idea and the only people having issue with this are the bronies.
Having Twilight become an alicorn will appeal to their main audience AND give them the opportunity to sell more toys, so they're not going to throw that away to appeal to a bunch of grown men and women who are getting mad at a purple pony becoming a princess.
As I said before, children were the ones who sent angry letters to Hasbro regarding Optimus Prime's death. The little boys hated Rodimus Prime, and wanted Optimus back, so they protested against Hasbro to resurrect the leader of the Autobots. In response, Hasbro resurrected him, and the little boys rejoiced.
The little girls of today will be the same way as the little boys of the eighties. They'll notice the flaws to Hasbro's decision to alicornify Twilight, namely that they would take her away from her friends forever. And, if they also notice that this will happen for the rest of the series, those same little girls are going to become angry at Hasbro and protest against them, telling them to return Twilight to her old, unicorn-self, so that she could grow old and die together with her friends, rather than outlive her own friends and remain lonely forever.
This is different. Twilight is becoming a princess and most young girls think princesses are awesome, so in their eyes it's one of their favourite characters but more awesome than before. It's more like if Optimus Prime was suddenly able to transform into a jet as well as a truck. The kids watching it would think that's fucking awesome (I know I would have if I'd watched Transformers as a kid).
Your example is more akin to if Hasbro just decided to get rid of the Mane 6 completely, and introduce six new characters. It'd upset some of the young kids who liked the Mane 6 and it'd piss off the parents who now have to buy six more toys for their children.
Then what if alicorn Twilight outlives all of her friends, and she's forced to live her life alone forever, while her friends remain dead like Optimus Prime before his resurrection? And, what if this were to happen for the rest of the friggin' series? She'd be sad and lonely, for sure, and that would suck even for the little girls!
As I said before, children were the ones who sent angry letters to Hasbro regarding Optimus Prime's death. The little boys hated Rodimus Prime, and wanted Optimus back, so they protested against Hasbro to resurrect the leader of the Autobots. In response, Hasbro resurrected him, and the little boys rejoiced.
The little girls of today will be the same way as the little boys of the eighties. They'll notice the flaws to Hasbro's decision to alicornify Twilight, namely that they would take her away from her friends forever. And, if they also notice that this will happen for the rest of the series, those same little girls are going to become angry at Hasbro and protest against them, telling them to return Twilight to her old, unicorn-self, so that she could grow old and die together with her friends, rather than outlive her own friends and remain lonely forever.
This is different. Twilight is becoming a princess and most young girls think princesses are awesome, so in their eyes it's one of their favourite characters but more awesome than before. It's more like if Optimus Prime was suddenly able to transform into a jet as well as a truck. The kids watching it would think that's fucking awesome (I know I would have if I'd watched Transformers as a kid).
Your example is more akin to if Hasbro just decided to get rid of the Mane 6 completely, and introduce six new characters. It'd upset some of the young kids who liked the Mane 6 and it'd piss off the parents who now have to buy six more toys for their children.
Then what if alicorn Twilight outlives all of her friends, and she's forced to live her life alone forever, while her friends remain dead like Optimus Prime before his resurrection? She'd be sad and lonely, for sure, and that would suck even for the little girls!
You really think they'd do that? It's a show for young girls they're not going to have something so dark.
And who's to say all Alicorns are immortal anyway? It only seems to be Luna and Celestia who are. Cadence seems to age normally by the looks of it(she's a teenager in Twilight's flashback).
Then what if alicorn Twilight outlives all of her friends, and she's forced to live her life alone forever, while her friends remain dead like Optimus Prime before his resurrection? She'd be sad and lonely, for sure, and that would suck even for the little girls!
That's probably what's going to happen...in the fanfics.
We haven't even seen the context for all of this. If this actually happens in the show, then yeah, that's pretty f'd up, but we don't know how any of this is going to happen, or to what degree.
All of this talk of abandonment and tragic immortality is just fan speculation with little to no basis.
EternalNothingness: 1. Resign from her royal duties, turn back into a unicorn, and reunite with her friends, so that she could grow old and die together with her friends.
2. Remain an immortal god-princess for the rest of her lonely, reclusive life, while her friends are forever outlived by one of their own.
3. Use age spells to prevent her friends from getting old and dying. She could totally do that, if the alicornication comes with a boost to magical power.
Now stop whining. Put some faith in the writers. At the very least, wait until the episode airs and you actually know what happens, don't just go making stuff up and then getting worked up over the stuff that you made up, because that's stupid.
First off, alicornification is a word I will now use daily. Second of all, she's not abandoning her friends. And last but not least, you set really high standards for little girls. Like, unnaturally high.
Hey everybody, that calls for a Sing Along!
Children's show from old Hasbro Try to sell you merch to make some Little girls and Bronies Dream of pony immitation And if you want these kind of dreams It's alicornication...
It's the end of the series and all of brony civilization The creepy obsession with beasts may finally settle as the taboo fades down It's understood that bronies would like Alicornication
Pay the studio very well to buy a plushie plaything Sell your soul to smite hasbro with adolescent raging
Chorus First born unicorn Hard core soft porn Dream of Alicornication Dream of Alicornication
Dude, CHILL. I was a little cautious about the change myself but after I simmered down I just figured I'd wait to see what happens. It's been confirmed that she's turning into an Alicorn but what happens to her friends, if she changes back, where the show goes from there, it's all just speculation right now. Just turn off the conspiracy trigger and relax, I'm sure it'll be fine.
EternalNothingness: 1. Resign from her royal duties, turn back into a unicorn, and reunite with her friends, so that she could grow old and die together with her friends.
2. Remain an immortal god-princess for the rest of her lonely, reclusive life, while her friends are forever outlived by one of their own.
3. Use age spells to prevent her friends from getting old and dying. She could totally do that, if the alicornication comes with a boost to magical power.
Now stop whining. Put some faith in the writers. At the very least, wait until the episode airs and you actually know what happens, don't just go making stuff up and then getting worked up over the stuff that you made up, because that's stupid.
With regard to the third choice, I highly doubt Twilight would be allowed by Princess Celestia to do that, either. I don't know why, though, probably having to do with "upsetting the balance of nature" or something. But, if any time Twilight is not allowed to de-age or even immortalize her friends, and she outlives them all anyway, I'll be uncontrollably pouring man-tears like a child. And, I can't handle that many emotions at once, especially toward pastel-colored, talking magical horses.
I'm actually rooting for this change, because most shows keep the same protagonists (and even the clothing they wear) all throughout the seasons which gets old quite fast. Twilight having wings is pretty legit, and truth be told I doubt the writers are going to kill off the main 6's relationship all because Twilight becomes a princess. She'll still be herself, it was even addressed by Hasbro himself.
Besides, the fans are forgetting that Twilight doesn't even have much significance on the show anymore. She used to, but now she's mainly there as part of the main 6 as a whole. I haven't seen her be much help lately with the recent episodes or being the top notch "friendship is everything" person. Twilight has been so focused in her studies, maybe this is a wake up call to realize how valuable and unique her friends are overall.
Also, no offense of course but season 3 is really doing poorly in my eyes. Seasons 1 and 2 kept the characters in check with their personalities and the episodes did a grand job entertaining us. Season 3 has only 4 good episodes, mainly the Discord returns one but everything else was dull and boring, even thumbing down the characters (if anyone should be upset at something, people should ask why the writers made Spike suck at cleaning Applejack's farm when he's Twilight's personal assistant who's always cleaning and organizing the library.)
Overall, the fans (not all but most) are assuming to much. You can't bash something until it happens, or when the show has enough evidence for you to feel wronged about it. Then again despite that I love the series, the show is targeted to kids and their families, not really to us bronies. We're just part of the ride and get references thrown here and there, but the show is for the kids (not just little girls, Lara Faust said little boys too.)
EternalNothingness: That means Twilight would have to make one of two choices:
You know what would be interesting, what if Twilight is given a couple of choices at the end of the episode, but before she makes her decision, the credits roll.
In other words, it ends on a cliffhanger.
I doubt that'd happen though. We haven't had any cliffhanger endings other than the two-part episodes (and the season 3 season finale is not a two-parter).
Oh look, EternalNothingness is over-analysing something that is, essentially, a show for 6 year old girls.
I'll let you in on a secret here; When I was 7 and watching Dragonball Z, I didn't sit and ponder about how Goku was a terrible father. About how scarred for live Gohan must be.
No, I loved Goku cause he's strong and awesome! I wanted Gohan to see something bad, because he'd go in his awesome rage!
These 6 year old girls, who are the target audience, not you , are going to eat this shit up! It's a kids show, it doesn't have to make sense!
Ranorak: Oh look, EternalNothingness is over-analysing something that is, essentially, a show for 6 year old girls.
I'll let you in on a secret here; When I was 7 and watching Dragonball Z, I didn't sit and ponder about how Goku was a terrible father. About how scarred for live Gohan must be.
No, I loved Goku cause he's strong and awesome! I wanted Gohan to see something bad, because he'd go in his awesome rage!
These 6 year old girls, who are the target audience, not you , are going to eat this shit up! It's a kids show, it doesn't have to make sense!
And when things like Goku becoming a kid again and Super Sayan getting more and more overpowered to the point where every season they'd face a new more powerful villain and just discover a new more powerful version of super sayan it was older fans who started to get annoyed, not kids because kids are easily impressed.
I have something very important to say as a brony to all the bronies who are complaining about this -
Go out, find a straw. Got one? Good. Now suck it the fuck up.
We are not the major audience. Hell, we're not even the minor audience - we're just those guys who happen to be walking past at the time when everything happened. Hasbro is in no way, shape or form directing the show at us - a few little references here and there, but that's it. If all of bronydom rage-quitted over this change, Hasbro would give approximately two shits before continuing the show for the audience it's actually aiming at, namely little girls.
And, I just have to say - do you really think they'll go in-depth with the pros/cons of immortality in a children's show? A far reaching and deeply philosophical discussion that many adults show little to no interest in, and they're just gonna stick an episode all about it into a children's show about coloured ponies? Really?
That'd be like Dragon Ball Z having an episode dedicated to explaining the theories on metaphyiscal existence, with Goku openly quoting Aristotle's Metaphysics and the episode ending with him and Cell having a bro-hug instead of fighting.
Ranorak: Oh look, EternalNothingness is over-analysing something that is, essentially, a show for 6 year old girls.
I'll let you in on a secret here; When I was 7 and watching Dragonball Z, I didn't sit and ponder about how Goku was a terrible father. About how scarred for live Gohan must be.
No, I loved Goku cause he's strong and awesome! I wanted Gohan to see something bad, because he'd go in his awesome rage!
These 6 year old girls, who are the target audience, not you , are going to eat this shit up! It's a kids show, it doesn't have to make sense!
And when things like Goku becoming a kid again and Super Sayan getting more and more overpowered to the point where every season they'd face a new more powerful villain and just discover a new more powerful version of super sayan it was older fans who started to get annoyed, not kids because kids are easily impressed.
The day Goku turned Super Sayian 3 was one of the happiest days of my life. Looking back on it now I can see how ridiculous it was, but god damn was it awesome when I was little.
EternalNothingness: With regard to the third choice, I highly doubt Twilight would be allowed by Princess Celestia to do that, either. I don't know why, though, probably having to do with "upsetting the balance of nature" or something.
YOU JUST MADE THAT UP. You can't possibly know that for certain, you even admit that you don't know why so why on Earth are you worried about this?
Dangit2019: We have no idea about the story, except for the 2 sentance sypnosis. Every detail except for her becoming in alicorn is just speculation right now.
EternalNothingness: There is almost no way you can change a franchise, even if it's for the better, without getting fanboy backlash.
What is this statement supposed to prove? That Hasbro and the writers should coddle us and give in to our demands? Well, then everybody would bitch about fan pandering.
There's no way to win absolutely, so they might as well take a risk storywise (and a good investment on the toy side) instead of making sure that the fanbase (which, I repeat, THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR IN THE FIRST PLACE) is satisfied with mediocrity.
During the 80's, when Hasbro released Transformers: The Movie, they killed not only Optimus Prime from the show, but also cancelled the line of Optimus Prime toys to reflect his death. So, they replaced him with Hot Rod, who would later go on as to become Rodimus Prime after acquiring the Matrix of Leadership. Unfortunately, all the Transformers fans--and even their parents--protested against Hasbro for this decision. They hated Rodimus Prime, and wanted Optimus resurrected. So, to quell their anger, they resurrected Optimus Prime from the show, as well as restarted the Optimus Prime toylines to reflect it.
That's different. They killed off a favorite character of a bunch of children who probably went into the playground at school and played with their transformer toys. Believe it or not, Hasbro's main target audience are CHILDREN, not adult men or women.
I've said this in in a different thread of yours complaining about MLP. You actually have no right to complain about a show, you should just sit there and deal with it, because as long as little girls like it, the show is good.
Hazy992: But the main target audience probably aren't going to have any issue with this anyway. If I tell my little sister 'Twilight Sparkle's going to be a princess and she'll have wings' she'll probably love that idea and the only people having issue with this are the bronies.
Having Twilight become an alicorn will appeal to their main audience AND give them the opportunity to sell more toys, so they're not going to throw that away to appeal to a bunch of grown men and women who are getting mad at a purple pony becoming a princess.
Eeeeeexactly. I think Hasbro should ignore the Brony fanbase when writing the show. They weren't aware of us when we started to love it. Now that they write the show with us in their peripheral vision, it doesn't seem as good.
Captcha: Buffalo Wing. Silly captcha, Twilight will be an alicorn, not a buffalo.
Shanicus: And, I just have to say - do you really think they'll go in-depth with the pros/cons of immortality in a children's show? A far reaching and deeply philosophical discussion that many adults show little to no interest in, and they're just gonna stick an episode all about it into a children's show about coloured ponies? Really?
That'd be like Dragon Ball Z having an episode dedicated to explaining the theories on metaphyiscal existence, with Goku openly quoting Aristotle's Metaphysics and the episode ending with him and Cell having a bro-hug instead of fighting.
Then how come in "Apple Family Reunion," they showed two shooting stars symbolizing Applejack's dead parents? I know that this is implied, because neither Hasbro nor its writers were allowed to discuss death on a children's show. But damn, it sure as hell feels like they've discussed death, even if it was subtle.
That means, surely, we'll see the alicorn Twilight Sparkle one-thousand years into the future, crying like the bastard filly of Shinji Ikari, Vincent Valentine, and Shadow the Hedgehog combined, over the deaths of her five friends, just as Applejack was to her parents. I just can't handle that many emotions within me!
Shanicus: And, I just have to say - do you really think they'll go in-depth with the pros/cons of immortality in a children's show? A far reaching and deeply philosophical discussion that many adults show little to no interest in, and they're just gonna stick an episode all about it into a children's show about coloured ponies? Really?
That'd be like Dragon Ball Z having an episode dedicated to explaining the theories on metaphyiscal existence, with Goku openly quoting Aristotle's Metaphysics and the episode ending with him and Cell having a bro-hug instead of fighting.
Then how come in "Apple Family Reunion," they showed two shooting stars symbolizing Applejack's dead parents? I know that this is implied, because neither Hasbro nor its writers were allowed to discuss death on a children's show. But damn, it sure as hell feels like they've discussed death, even if it was subtle.
That means, surely, we'll see the alicorn Twilight Sparkle one-thousand years into the future, crying like the bastard filly of Shinji Ikari, Vincent Valentine, and Shadow the Hedgehog combined, over the deaths of her five friends, just as Applejack was to her parents. I just can't handle that many emotions within me!
...because children aren't going to get the symbolism of the action in Apple Family Reunion? Seriously, when I was a kid watching Dragon Ball Z where characters would die on a weekly basis I didn't understand it - I just thought it was cool when people got shot in the chest with energy beams. Likewise, the average child isn't going to see any symbolism in the two shooting stars, they're just going to see two shooting stars.
Besides, that's not a discussion - that's just a little bonus thrown in for older audiences. It's a two-second shot for everyone out there whose been banging on about whether Applejack's parents are alive or not, not actually intended for the children. This is something childrens shows do all the fucking time. There was no sitting down talking about her parents deaths, how she's handling it, the rest of the cast comforting Applejack... it was just a two-second shot, easily missed and only meaningful to those who paid attention to it.
And, just to point this out... if Hasbro and it's writers aren't allowed to discuss death on a children's show... why the fuck would they have an episode focusing on Twilight Sparkle coming to terms with the fact that everyone she knows and loves is going to die before her, leaving her all alone in the far off future? At that point that's not discussing death in an episode, that's just making an episode all about death and being grim-as-fuck, which is not something very appealing to young audiences.
I feel like every time the OP compares how everything that goes wrong with MLP and compares it to ME3, I feel like the stereotype that the anti-ending crowd are whiny entitled little brats gets reinforced. EternalNothingness, please stop, you're only reinforcing a negative stereotype.
Also, I remember a happier time when all bronies weren't accused of being man children. I'd like to go back to that time. Seriously I feel like the Escapist is going through another angry phase.
Dangit2019: We have no idea about the story, except for the 2 sentance sypnosis. Every detail except for her becoming in alicorn is just speculation right now.
What is this statement supposed to prove? That Hasbro and the writers should coddle us and give in to our demands? Well, then everybody would bitch about fan pandering.
There's no way to win absolutely, so they might as well take a risk storywise (and a good investment on the toy side) instead of making sure that the fanbase (which, I repeat, THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR IN THE FIRST PLACE) is satisfied with mediocrity.
During the 80's, when Hasbro released Transformers: The Movie, they killed not only Optimus Prime from the show, but also cancelled the line of Optimus Prime toys to reflect his death. So, they replaced him with Hot Rod, who would later go on as to become Rodimus Prime after acquiring the Matrix of Leadership. Unfortunately, all the Transformers fans--and even their parents--protested against Hasbro for this decision. They hated Rodimus Prime, and wanted Optimus resurrected. So, to quell their anger, they resurrected Optimus Prime from the show, as well as restarted the Optimus Prime toylines to reflect it.
That's different. They killed off a favorite character of a bunch of children who probably went into the playground at school and played with their transformer toys. Believe it or not, Hasbro's main target audience are CHILDREN, not adult men or women.
I've said this in in a different thread of yours complaining about MLP. You actually have no right to complain about a show, you should just sit there and deal with it, because as long as little girls like it, the show is good.
Wait wait wait wait wait...he has no right to complain? Uh...no. You don't have to agree him, you can argue with him, but he has no right to complain? No. Just no.
You are looking in too deep into a simple show. We just need to wait and see what will happen instead of worrying what might happen. Let me show you what I think will and won't happen.
Won't:
Twilight becomes immortal. Twilight becomes a goddess. Twilight becomes stronger and turn her friends stronger. Twilight becomes timeless.
Will happen:
Twilight gets wings.
Hasbro won't show anybody dying. They are giving her wings, not making her some immortal goddess.
Well I'm sorry that a cartoon that is meant to appeal to young girls doesn't meet your high standards. I will admit, Hasbro aren't afraid to show characters dying. Just look at every Transformers series ever (well maybe not Robots in Disguise). Hell there's a named character in Transformers Prime who gets killed and resurrected as a zombie in the first episode! But Transformers is a show that focuses on war so it works if it shows the casualties involved in order to achieve peace. MLP:FiM is a show that focuses on friendship so it wouldn't make sense to show someones friends or family dying.
You know what Twilight's alicornification reminds me of? Princess Promenade from G3, and its premise of Wysteria becoming a princess herself, but becoming unable to be with her friends again. Twilight will eventually go through what Wysteria went through herself, except it'll probably be much, much worse, being the darker, edgier G4 and everything.
However, I highly doubt Twilight would use her newly acquired alicorn magic to turn her five friends into alicorns themselves, the same way Princess Wysteria decreed that her friends became princesses. Firstly, it would require five times as much magic as Celestia will probably use to turn her student into an alicorn, since there are five of them and only one of her. Second of all, even if Twilight could, I highly doubt Princess Celestia would even condone her turning her friends into alicorn goddesses, fearing that she might "corrupt" them with unlimited power and everything.
That means Twilight would have to make one of two choices:
1. Resign from her royal duties, turn back into a unicorn, and reunite with her friends, so that she could grow old and die together with her friends.
2. Remain an immortal god-princess for the rest of her lonely, reclusive life, while her friends are forever outlived by one of their own.
Once the Princess Coronation episode comes out, I hope she picks option one. I once saw background cells of Sweet Apple Acres and the Carousel Boutique run-down and abandoned. That means by the time Twilight revisits Ponyville as an alicorn one thousand years later, it will be all but abandoned, and her friends dead. Once she sees it all for herself, she might go to Princess Celestia, resign from her royal duties forever, and ask that she travels back in time to the Ponyville she once knew, so that she could be with her friends again like last time. And, when that happens, Celestia has to say yes, because she's often the soft, forgiving kind, rather than the oppressive dictator Twilight is always imagining her she'd be, even though she isn't.
And Hasbro, if any time you're reading this, please, PLEASE make Twilight Sparkle pick option one in the Season Three finale! The reason why Twilight went to Ponyville was so that she could take a vacation from her studies to make friends. To have her outright abandon her friends to become an immortal alicorn just goes against the core essence that made the show good in the first place. It almost reminds me of the way Sega released Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic '06, both of which deliberately abandoned the Sonic franchise's core speed and platforming for broken gameplay, convoluted "serious" storylines, and bad and unnecessary auxiliary characters.
There is almost no way you can change a franchise, even if it's for the better, without getting fanboy backlash. Even if Hasbro keeps Twilight's mortality, just so that she could grow old together with her friends rather than outlive them, it's still jumping the shark. Plus, there are two of each species of pony in the Mane Six, including two unicorns, two pegasi, and two earth ponies. Turning one of those unicorns into an alicorn would only upset that balance, as we'd have two earth ponies and two pegasi, but only one unicorn.