Normally I don't post in pony threads but ...uh...Don't get me wrong I love my old cartoons and all that but I don't think I'd have this kind of issue with a childrens show. I still enjoy Ed Edd and Eddy but after they did the whole "we're going to school thing" and it became unfunny, much like Dexter when it got a new artist I think the best idea is to just move on. This coming from a cartoonist no less :|
Snotnarok: Normally I don't post in pony threads but ...uh...Don't get me wrong I love my old cartoons and all that but I don't think I'd have this kind of issue with a childrens show. I still enjoy Ed Edd and Eddy but after they did the whole "we're going to school thing" and it became unfunny, much like Dexter when it got a new artist I think the best idea is to just move on. This coming from a cartoonist no less :|
I don't know, man. For me, it's just too easy to write angry letters galore to Hasbro, telling them to change Twilight back to normal. I mean, after all, when you look at Mass Effect 3's Extended Cut endings, they were created because the Mass Effect fans sent angry letters galore to BioWare. Likewise with Transformers, when Hasbro killed Optimus Prime, causing all the children who grew up with the toys and show to send angry letters to Hasbro, telling them to resurrect Optimus, which they did.
And, for me, what's even worse is that I couldn't find Hasbro's e-mail address on their website, so that I could send them those angry e-mails telling them to change Twilight back to normal, so that she could be with her friends again. I mean, it just feels so ridiculous; the other five main ponies get to keep their normal lives, while Twilight is forced against her will to become special? I can understand Rarity becoming a famous fashion-designer and Rainbow Dash becoming a Wonderbolt, because let's face it: If Twilight is going to become a princess, then at least Rarity and Dash should also achieve their own dreams at the possible expense of Fluttershy, Applejack, and Pinkie Pie, who are going to remain in Ponyville for their own, respective reasons, anyway.
Shadowstar38: We have no idea what the episode actually consists of. There's no reason to get your panties in a knot weeks before we even see the thing.
Snotnarok: Normally I don't post in pony threads but ...uh...Don't get me wrong I love my old cartoons and all that but I don't think I'd have this kind of issue with a childrens show. I still enjoy Ed Edd and Eddy but after they did the whole "we're going to school thing" and it became unfunny, much like Dexter when it got a new artist I think the best idea is to just move on. This coming from a cartoonist no less :|
I don't know, man. For me, it's just too easy to write angry letters galore to Hasbro, telling them to change Twilight back to normal. I mean, after all, when you look at Mass Effect 3's Extended Cut endings, they were created because the Mass Effect fans sent angry letters galore to BioWare. Likewise with Transformers, when Hasbro killed Optimus Prime, causing all the children who grew up with the toys and show to send angry letters to Hasbro, telling them to resurrect Optimus, which they did.
And, for me, what's even worse is that I couldn't find Hasbro's e-mail address on their website, so that I could send them those angry e-mails telling them to change Twilight back to normal, so that she could be with her friends again. I mean, it just feels so ridiculous; the other five main ponies get to keep their normal lives, while Twilight is forced against her will to become special? I can understand Rarity becoming a famous fashion-designer and Rainbow Dash becoming a Wonderbolt, because let's face it: If Twilight is going to become a princess, then at least Rarity and Dash should also achieve their own dreams at the possible expense of Fluttershy, Applejack, and Pinkie Pie, who are going to remain in Ponyville for their own, respective reasons, anyway.
You know, like in Titanic? "You jump, I jump?"
Honestly I don't know half the things you're saying because I only saw 1 or 2 eps of the show and I didn't see what got a lot of people into it (didn't enjoy it). Writing angry hate filled emails get you nowhere but deleted letters, if you want to make in impact you write thought out a thought out email without going on for 5 pages.
Like I said when I saw shows I liked go down hill (Ed, Edd & Eddy, Dexter, Sealab 2021) I abandoned them because if the creator has moved on or the writers are different (or in the case of Sealab the voice actor for a major character dying), the magic is sometimes lost and maybe it's best for said show to go.
Or who knows, maybe this great change to the show you like will be a interesting twist you may like. Or maybe it'll go the way of Walking Dead and have one really crap season and bounce back in the third.
V da Mighty Taco: EDIT: To everyone saying this won't be permanent, just about everything Megan McCarthy said in the EW article simply wouldn't make any sense if this was going to be thrown out the window immediately after making her a princess, especially since the sypnosises that we've seen state that she becomes a princess after undoing her cutie-mark switching spell. Of course nothing is ever certain until we actually see the episode, but the way the Hub / Hasbro and the crew have been talking about it heavily implies that this is permanent.
By saying that to me, you're making things worse.
Besides, I doubt this will be permanent. Take a look at the comics! Even with Twilight as an alicorn princess in the show, the comics will still continue showing Twilight as her old, wingless unicorn self staying with her friends. Hell, in the upcoming mini-series, Twilight will still remain a unicorn, even in her own issue! That means that hopefully, Princess Twilight will just be temporary, and then we get the old, unicorn Twilight back.
The comics aren't necessarily bound to the shows canon, for one. Two, reread the Hub's / Megan's / all the press releases responses to this. All of it talks about Twilight's princesshood like it's permanent, especially the press.discovery.com article that TopazFusion linked to above. After all, it's set to be the last thing that happens in the episode:
PsychedelicDiamond: You know what i'm looking forward to? When the finale is over, it turns out that Twilight only turns into an alicorn for that one episode and all the panicking fanboys realize that they've been making complete idiot of themselves over absolutely nothing.
... everything I've mentioned so far indicates that this is permanent. Do you have anything that hints otherwise?
Snotnarok: Normally I don't post in pony threads but ...uh...Don't get me wrong I love my old cartoons and all that but I don't think I'd have this kind of issue with a childrens show. I still enjoy Ed Edd and Eddy but after they did the whole "we're going to school thing" and it became unfunny, much like Dexter when it got a new artist I think the best idea is to just move on. This coming from a cartoonist no less :|
I don't know, man. For me, it's just too easy to write angry letters galore to Hasbro, telling them to change Twilight back to normal. I mean, after all, when you look at Mass Effect 3's Extended Cut endings, they were created because the Mass Effect fans sent angry letters galore to BioWare. Likewise with Transformers, when Hasbro killed Optimus Prime, causing all the children who grew up with the toys and show to send angry letters to Hasbro, telling them to resurrect Optimus, which they did.
And, for me, what's even worse is that I couldn't find Hasbro's e-mail address on their website, so that I could send them those angry e-mails telling them to change Twilight back to normal, so that she could be with her friends again. I mean, it just feels so ridiculous; the other five main ponies get to keep their normal lives, while Twilight is forced against her will to become special? I can understand Rarity becoming a famous fashion-designer and Rainbow Dash becoming a Wonderbolt, because let's face it: If Twilight is going to become a princess, then at least Rarity and Dash should also achieve their own dreams at the possible expense of Fluttershy, Applejack, and Pinkie Pie, who are going to remain in Ponyville for their own, respective reasons, anyway.
You know, like in Titanic? "You jump, I jump?"
Dude, don't. Just don't. At least wait 'til the episode before you grab your torches. As paranoid as I am about this, I'm still waiting to see if my fears of "the Twilight Show" do actually happen. If it does, then you can go ahead and cry havoc; but wait and see if we end up right first.
Shadowstar38: We have no idea what the episode actually consists of. There's no reason to get your panties in a knot weeks before we even see the thing.
You're free to like whatever you want, but this level of emotional investment is all kinds of weird.
This sums up my feeling on most fans of every video game or TV show on this site.
I kinda thought I was a bronie, cos I watched a few eps of MLP FiM and found it fairly entertaining.
After reading this thread... I'm not a Bronie. Good lord I'm not.
Hey! Not all of us are like EN here. Many of us who don't like this change are still gonna wait to see what happens first and have legitimate points as to why we feel this way. Don't assume the worst of us represent most of us.
Shadowstar38: We have no idea what the episode actually consists of. There's no reason to get your panties in a knot weeks before we even see the thing.
I kinda thought I was a bronie, cos I watched a few eps of MLP FiM and found it fairly entertaining.
After reading this thread... I'm not a Bronie. Good lord I'm not.
Don't let this guy or anyone else (including me) ruin it for you.
This isn't specific to bronies, this is fanboy bitching, which has been around since the start of entertainment media itself, or at least it's been around since Clerks.
V da Mighty Taco: EDIT: To everyone saying this won't be permanent, just about everything Megan McCarthy said in the EW article simply wouldn't make any sense if this was going to be thrown out the window immediately after making her a princess, especially since the sypnosises that we've seen state that she becomes a princess after undoing her cutie-mark switching spell. Of course nothing is ever certain until we actually see the episode, but the way the Hub / Hasbro and the crew have been talking about it heavily implies that this is permanent.
By saying that to me, you're making things worse.
Besides, I doubt this will be permanent. Take a look at the comics! Even with Twilight as an alicorn princess in the show, the comics will still continue showing Twilight as her old, wingless unicorn self staying with her friends. Hell, in the upcoming mini-series, Twilight will still remain a unicorn, even in her own issue! That means that hopefully, Princess Twilight will just be temporary, and then we get the old, unicorn Twilight back.
The comics aren't necessarily bound to the shows canon, for one. Two, reread the Hub's / Megan's / all the press releases responses to this. All of it talks about Twilight's princesshood like it's permanent, especially the press.discovery.com article that TopazFusion linked to above. After all, it's set to be the last thing that happens in the episode:
PsychedelicDiamond: You know what i'm looking forward to? When the finale is over, it turns out that Twilight only turns into an alicorn for that one episode and all the panicking fanboys realize that they've been making complete idiot of themselves over absolutely nothing.
... everything I've mentioned so far indicates that this is permanent. Do you have anything that hints otherwise?
You're just speculating, and odds are you might be wrong. I pray that you, TopazFusion, and articles such as that press-release are wrong. It'll just be temporary, and then Twilight will return to her old, unicorn self to be with her friends again. Twilight will eventually realize that the life of a princess doesn't suit her as well as her old life as a librarian with five friends, and that she will eventually put aside her royal duties to return to old life again. Everything will be back to normal, and we can all return to what the show used to be about: Six friends learning about friendship from each other.
I like MLP, I really really do. I like the characters, the lore and the storys, childish as they are (and they are, you better believe it). But it's threads like this that make me say: I am no brony and I never will be. Fandom is one thing. Constant bitching is something else.
TopazFusion: EN, I made this gif, just for you . . .
Dr. Mongo: I like MLP, I really really do. I like the characters, the lore and the storys, childish as they are (and they are, you better believe it). But it's threads like this that make me say: I am no brony and I never will be. Fandom is one thing. Constant bitching is something else.
TopazFusion: EN, I made this gif, just for you . . .
This sums it up pretty nicely. Well done, Sir.
The OP doesn't represent all of us. Don't let him make you think otherwise.
Yeah, the first day this was revealed, there was a lot of panic on our forums. Since then, it has pretty much died down. Most of us have decided "even if it is Hasbro's mandate, we trust the writers on the show to make it good".
These are the same writers that made a wedding episode (one of the girliest episode concepts in the world) and gave us this:
And since when are all alicorns immortal? We only know that Celestia and Luna are. Cadence appears to be mortal, since she was only a teenager when she babysat Twilight, and she was an alicorn then.
Dr. Mongo: I like MLP, I really really do. I like the characters, the lore and the storys, childish as they are (and they are, you better believe it). But it's threads like this that make me say: I am no brony and I never will be. Fandom is one thing. Constant bitching is something else.
TopazFusion: EN, I made this gif, just for you . . .
This sums it up pretty nicely. Well done, Sir.
The OP doesn't represent all of us. Don't let him make you think otherwise.
Yeah, the first day this was revealed, there was a lot of panic on our forums. Since then, it has pretty much died down. Most of us have decided "even if it is Hasbro's mandate, we trust the writers on the show to make it good".
These are the same writers that made a wedding episode (one of the girliest episode concepts in the world) and gave us this:
And since when are all alicorns immortal? We only know that Celestia and Luna are. Cadence appears to be mortal, since she was only a teenager when she babysat Twilight, and she was an alicorn then.
But, even if it's good, what if it ended with Twilight Sparkle staying a princess, rather than eventually realizing that her new princess life is no replacement for the old life she spent with her friends, thus abandoning royalty for her friends?
Besides, think about Shrek. Most other Disney stories often mix superficial beauty with happily ever after. Shrek disproved that notion by implying that you could be the ugliest thing in the world, and still receive your happily ever after.
This is what Twilight needs to eventually learn herself. Life as a princess is not always going to equal happily ever after. Happily ever after can be anything, from accepting your own body mass without worrying about the norm of sexy, to choosing to live as a working-class citizen rather than as a rich, snooty upper-class person. Twilight can still earn her happily ever after without the need to become a princess; all she has to do is realize this, and trade away her princess-status for her old life and her friends.
Am I right?
EDIT: Also, Season Three was, at best, disappointing, most especially the Crystal Empire arc. That means that odds are, the finale will be terrible, and end with Twilight abandoning both her friends and her old life for that of a princess. And, it won't be about all six of the main ponies anymore, just Twilight and Twilight alone, even though the show is an ensemble show.
I may be speculating, but the articles are not. Considering that the info in the articles came straight from Hasbro or the crew, you can't deny their validity.
Dr. Mongo: I like MLP, I really really do. I like the characters, the lore and the storys, childish as they are (and they are, you better believe it). But it's threads like this that make me say: I am no brony and I never will be. Fandom is one thing. Constant bitching is something else.
TopazFusion: EN, I made this gif, just for you . . .
This sums it up pretty nicely. Well done, Sir.
The OP doesn't represent all of us. Don't let him make you think otherwise.
Yeah, the first day this was revealed, there was a lot of panic on our forums. Since then, it has pretty much died down. Most of us have decided "even if it is Hasbro's mandate, we trust the writers on the show to make it good".
These are the same writers that made a wedding episode (one of the girliest episode concepts in the world) and gave us this:
And since when are all alicorns immortal? We only know that Celestia and Luna are. Cadence appears to be mortal, since she was only a teenager when she babysat Twilight, and she was an alicorn then.
For Mongo:
Fandoms in general bitch about things they don't like. While we can all agree that those who shout "I'll never watch it! Fandom ruined forever!!! DIE HASBRO DIE!!!!" are generally not worth listening to, many anti-Twilicorn bronies are much saner and do present sound, logical, evidence-based reasons for not liking this change. The latter will still complain of course, but complaining isn't inherently a bad thing so long as it's done in a rational and mature manner.
To snowfi:
While I'll fully agree that that scene was awesome, A Canterlot Wedding's overall writing quality along with ACW / TCE reducing the others in the main cast to side-character comic-relief roles as well as Season 2's mixed bag of writing quality is exactly why I don't fully trust the writers not to screw this up and accidentally turn this into "the Twilight Sparkle Show".
As for the alicorns-immortal thing, the only known alicorns were confirmed to be ancient until ACW came along two years later and changed that. Doesn't mean it's necessarily a bad change in lore, but that's why that correlation exists.
I may be speculating, but the articles are not. Considering that the info in the articles came straight from Hasbro or the crew, you can't deny their validity.
But they didn't confirm whether it'll be permanent or temporary, did they? I pray it's just temporary, because even if they keep Twilight true to her old, bookish self who cares for her friends so much, it's still jumping the shark any time it's permanent.
I may be speculating, but the articles are not. Considering that the info in the articles came straight from Hasbro or the crew, you can't deny their validity.
But they didn't confirm whether it'll be permanent or temporary, did they? I pray it's just temporary, because even if they keep Twilight true to her old, bookish self who cares for her friends so much, it's still jumping the shark any time it's permanent.
They basically did, as McCarthy's quotes wouldn't make sense otherwise when combined with the fact that the princess-thing happens after the episode's main conflict does. The quote "I don't think becoming a princess really changes her; I think it's going to introduce some new challenges for her" really sounds like Megan was talking about how this could affect Twilight in the future, after all. It wouldn't make sense to say that if it's going to be thrown out within minutes of it happening.
I may be speculating, but the articles are not. Considering that the info in the articles came straight from Hasbro or the crew, you can't deny their validity.
But they didn't confirm whether it'll be permanent or temporary, did they? I pray it's just temporary, because even if they keep Twilight true to her old, bookish self who cares for her friends so much, it's still jumping the shark any time it's permanent.
They basically did, as McCarthy's quotes wouldn't make sense otherwise when combined with the fact that the princess-thing happens after the episode's main conflict does. The quote "I don't think becoming a princess really changes her; I think it's going to introduce some new challenges for her" really sounds like Megan was talking about how this could affect Twilight in the future, after all. It wouldn't make sense to say that if it's going to be thrown out within minutes of it happening.
So that's it, isn't it? They've killed My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, just to release a line of Princess Twilight toys, didn't they? That means the girls won't be with Twilight ever again, and Twilight won't be as normal as the other five girls!
By saying that, you're implying that the show is doomed, alongside Twilight Sparkle! Well, if that's the case, then surely you're okay with Optimus Prime's death in G1? Or Sonic the Hedgehog having guns, mating with humans, and turning into a werehog? Or Mass Effect 3's original ending, and how it rendered all the choices meaningless?
I don't care if Twilight will still love reading books and caring for her friends. They've murdered MLP: FiM, and as a result earned themselves a million angry letters telling them to change Twilight back!
But they didn't confirm whether it'll be permanent or temporary, did they? I pray it's just temporary, because even if they keep Twilight true to her old, bookish self who cares for her friends so much, it's still jumping the shark any time it's permanent.
They basically did, as McCarthy's quotes wouldn't make sense otherwise when combined with the fact that the princess-thing happens after the episode's main conflict does. The quote "I don't think becoming a princess really changes her; I think it's going to introduce some new challenges for her" really sounds like Megan was talking about how this could affect Twilight in the future, after all. It wouldn't make sense to say that if it's going to be thrown out within minutes of it happening.
So that's it, isn't it? They killed My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, just to release a line of Princess Twilight toys, didn't they? That means the girls won't be with Twilight ever again, and Twilight won't be as normal as the other five girls!
By saying that, you're implying that the show is doomed, alongside Twilight Sparkle! Well, if that's the case, then surely you're okay with Optimus Prime's death in G1? Or Sonic the Hedgehog having guns, mating with humans, and turning into a werehog? Or Mass Effect 3's original ending, and how it rendered all the choices meaningless?
I don't care if Twilight will still love reading books and caring for her friends. They've murdered MLP: FiM, and as a result earned themselves a million angry letters telling them to change Twilight back!
EternalNothingness, chill the fuck out.
Seriously, don't give any validity to the perception that anti-Twilicorns are on the same level as those responsible for Derpygate (nothing good came out of that hissy fit). The show's not dead yet. We could be proven wrong. If Season 4 comes around and we end up right, then go ahead and have your fit, though do it in a calm and mature manner. Don't forget that Seasons 1 - 3 aren't going anywhere, so we'll always have that no matter what happens in the future seasons.
Until then, try to relax and whatever you do, DO NOT GO FULL-ON PANIC MODE. As Derpygate has proven, that only hurts your cause more than anything else possibly could.
But they didn't confirm whether it'll be permanent or temporary, did they? I pray it's just temporary, because even if they keep Twilight true to her old, bookish self who cares for her friends so much, it's still jumping the shark any time it's permanent.
They basically did, as McCarthy's quotes wouldn't make sense otherwise when combined with the fact that the princess-thing happens after the episode's main conflict does. The quote "I don't think becoming a princess really changes her; I think it's going to introduce some new challenges for her" really sounds like Megan was talking about how this could affect Twilight in the future, after all. It wouldn't make sense to say that if it's going to be thrown out within minutes of it happening.
So that's it, isn't it? They killed My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, just to release a line of Princess Twilight toys, didn't they? That means the girls won't be with Twilight ever again, and Twilight won't be as normal as the other five girls!
By saying that, you're implying that the show is doomed, alongside Twilight Sparkle! Well, if that's the case, then surely you're okay with Optimus Prime's death in G1? Or Sonic the Hedgehog having guns, mating with humans, and turning into a werehog? Or Mass Effect 3's original ending, and how it rendered all the choices meaningless?
I don't care if Twilight will still love reading books and caring for her friends. They've murdered MLP: FiM, and as a result earned themselves a million angry letters telling them to change Twilight back!
A million letters? Really?
You're the only one I've seen making such a huge fucking deal out of this. There are a few people on Ponychan who are upset about it, but they aren't saying "THEY KILLED FiM!!!". Jesus dude, you need to get out more. And this is coming from a fellow brony.
And Meghan SPECIFICALLY said, that Twilight WILL NOT leave Ponyville, and WILL NOT leave her friends. This wasn't in the article, but on her Twitter account.
So, you whole point about "she will never see her friends again", is fucking wrong. It's not even an opinion. It's fucking wrong.
Take a step back and take a breath. We haven't even seen the episode yet. We don't know how it will play out. They obviously are not going to take a main character, and make it so that we never, EVER see her again. Just like they aren't going to take the other 5 away and make the show only about Twilight. Both of those scenarios would be exceedingly DUMB, and the staff knows that. Fuck, even HASBRO knows that!
Ya know what the finale will mean? In the end, Twilight will have wings. Big. Fucking. Deal. Did Twilight treat Cadence any differently when she saw her after all that time? Twilight treated Cadence like an old friend, NOT LIKE A PRINCESS!
And think about it. They could have an episode in season 4 where the other 5 are acting differently around her, and in the end they learn that just because Twilight may LOOK different and have a new title, doesn't mean she isn't the same friend they have known forever. You can also have episodes about Twilight juggling her personal life and her political life. There are A LOT of possibilities.
Imagine one day, a girl that watched this show when she was little and never really gave it any thought, digs up something like this and see grown men flipping their shit over every little thing about this show and gets stunned.
OT: I would actually like to see them having the balls to make her immortal and time-jump couple of years to see her all alone, not because I want to see Bronies lose their mind but because......well mostly to see them lose their minds, yeah...
They basically did, as McCarthy's quotes wouldn't make sense otherwise when combined with the fact that the princess-thing happens after the episode's main conflict does. The quote "I don't think becoming a princess really changes her; I think it's going to introduce some new challenges for her" really sounds like Megan was talking about how this could affect Twilight in the future, after all. It wouldn't make sense to say that if it's going to be thrown out within minutes of it happening.
So that's it, isn't it? They killed My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, just to release a line of Princess Twilight toys, didn't they? That means the girls won't be with Twilight ever again, and Twilight won't be as normal as the other five girls!
By saying that, you're implying that the show is doomed, alongside Twilight Sparkle! Well, if that's the case, then surely you're okay with Optimus Prime's death in G1? Or Sonic the Hedgehog having guns, mating with humans, and turning into a werehog? Or Mass Effect 3's original ending, and how it rendered all the choices meaningless?
I don't care if Twilight will still love reading books and caring for her friends. They've murdered MLP: FiM, and as a result earned themselves a million angry letters telling them to change Twilight back!
EternalNothingness, chill the fuck out.
Seriously, don't give any validity to the perception that anti-Twilicorns are on the same level as those responsible for Derpygate (nothing good came out of that hissy fit). The show's not dead yet. We could be proven wrong. If Season 4 comes around and we end up right, then go ahead and have your fit, though do it in a calm and mature manner. Don't forget that Seasons 1 - 3 aren't going anywhere, so we'll always have that no matter what happens in the future seasons.
Until then, try to relax and whatever you do, DO NOT GO FULL-ON PANIC MODE. As Derpygate has proven, that only hurts your cause more than anything else possibly could.
Well, I wouldn't have had to panic, had you not outright said to me it will be permanent, and even give me evidence to support that claim! Who knows, there might be other people who could come up with a more logical counter-argument than I can, because let's face it: I suck at arguments, as you can tell by the way I panicked like hell.
So that's it, isn't it? They killed My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, just to release a line of Princess Twilight toys, didn't they? That means the girls won't be with Twilight ever again, and Twilight won't be as normal as the other five girls!
By saying that, you're implying that the show is doomed, alongside Twilight Sparkle! Well, if that's the case, then surely you're okay with Optimus Prime's death in G1? Or Sonic the Hedgehog having guns, mating with humans, and turning into a werehog? Or Mass Effect 3's original ending, and how it rendered all the choices meaningless?
I don't care if Twilight will still love reading books and caring for her friends. They've murdered MLP: FiM, and as a result earned themselves a million angry letters telling them to change Twilight back!
EternalNothingness, chill the fuck out.
Seriously, don't give any validity to the perception that anti-Twilicorns are on the same level as those responsible for Derpygate (nothing good came out of that hissy fit). The show's not dead yet. We could be proven wrong. If Season 4 comes around and we end up right, then go ahead and have your fit, though do it in a calm and mature manner. Don't forget that Seasons 1 - 3 aren't going anywhere, so we'll always have that no matter what happens in the future seasons.
Until then, try to relax and whatever you do, DO NOT GO FULL-ON PANIC MODE. As Derpygate has proven, that only hurts your cause more than anything else possibly could.
Well, I wouldn't have had to panic, had you not outright said to me it will be permanent, and even give me evidence to support that claim! Who knows, there might be other people who could come up with a more logical counter-argument than I can, because let's face it: I suck at arguments, as you can tell by the way I panicked like hell.
You don't have to panic. Panicking is something you can choose not to do.
Wait and see where this goes first. If the show keeps true to the characters and keeps the focus on all six of them, then a pair of wings will be little more than cosmetics. Do you enjoy the characters for who they are now, before this goes into place? If so, then a purely cosmetic change shouldn't affect that.
knight steel: Whats this: Wait a minute eternalnothingness oh my god! Oh my god every pony run for your life!!!
I take it this is why the first page is filled with "not EN again" posts? *le sigh* He's really not helping me prove that most anti-Twilicorns like myself aren't batshit insane. :(
V da Mighty Taco: I take it this is why the first page is filled with "not EN again" posts? *le sigh* He's really not helping me prove that most anti-Twilicorns like myself aren't batshit insane. :(
Wait, you're anti-Twilicorn?
If so, then why did you give me evidence that felt more pro-Twilicorn?
Besides, the writers aren't giving away everything. If any time the Season Three finale ends with Twilight remaining a princess, then surely, the two-part Season Four premiere will have Twilight Sparkle sacrifice her princesshood to save her friends, and thus everything returns to normal. Right?
V da Mighty Taco: I take it this is why the first page is filled with "not EN again" posts? *le sigh* He's really not helping me prove that most anti-Twilicorns like myself aren't batshit insane. :(
Wait, you're anti-Twilicorn?
If so, then why did you give me evidence that felt more pro-Twilicorn?
Besides, the writers aren't giving away everything. If any time the Season Three finale ends with Twilight remaining a princess, then surely, the two-part Season Four premiere will have Twilight Sparkle sacrifice her princesshood to save her friends, and thus everything returns to normal. Right?
I've been giving you the benefit of the doubt, but at this point I'm certain you're trolling. At least 90% of my posts in this thread (including most of my replies to you) have been about why I think it's a bad idea, even though I'm still going to wait and see what happens. Your also saying that the writers and Hasbro - the only ones who know for certain what really will happen in Season 4 and who have the most at stake here - are lying and that it'll all be undone ASAP without any evidence to back that up.
V da Mighty Taco: I take it this is why the first page is filled with "not EN again" posts? *le sigh* He's really not helping me prove that most anti-Twilicorns like myself aren't batshit insane. :(
Wait, you're anti-Twilicorn?
If so, then why did you give me evidence that felt more pro-Twilicorn?
Besides, the writers aren't giving away everything. If any time the Season Three finale ends with Twilight remaining a princess, then surely, the two-part Season Four premiere will have Twilight Sparkle sacrifice her princesshood to save her friends, and thus everything returns to normal. Right?
I've been giving you the benefit of the doubt, but at this point I'm certain you're trolling. At least 90% of my posts in this thread (including most of my replies to you) have been about why I think it's a bad idea, even though I'm still going to wait and see what happens. Your also saying that the writers and Hasbro - the only ones who know for certain what really will happen in Season 4 and who have the most at stake here - are lying and that it'll all be undone ASAP without any evidence to back that up.
The Mane Six consisted of two earth ponies, two pegasi, and two unicorns. Once Twilight becomes an alicorn, there would be two pairs of earth ponies and pegasi, but only one unicorn, thus disrupting the natural balance. Plus, Season Four might be so obsessed with Twilight learning the ropes of princesshood, that the show will forget about the other five main ponies. Either that, or vice versa.
not really related, but I seem to be reading your posts in Abridged Vegeta's voice now.
OT: Did you seriously just try and compare this to killing of Prime in the 80s? You don't see the fatal flaw in that? really? first of Prime was dead, toy line discontinued, THATS what pissed the fans off and cause a kid to lock him self in a room for a week. Twilight becoming an Alicorn is not the same thing. She's not dieing for one, sure the 'Twi as a Unicorn' line might get stopped, but she'll still be around as an Alicorn, and there's money to be made there.
As for the plot implications, your over reacting, again. We've o proof Twi will suddenly become godlike, Cadence isn't godlike in terms of power, and she's notable younger then Celestia and Luna, which is what your forgetting. AGE, your stuck in this mind set Twilly is gonna go Super Sayian 4 when she gets her wings, I highly doubt this, I'd put money on the only thing she gets out of this immediately is a set of wings and a new title, that's it. Maye a few jokes with Twi learning to fly but other wise nothing really changing much.
Also, this has been a fan theory for fucking EVER, why are you surprised by this exactly?
If so, then why did you give me evidence that felt more pro-Twilicorn?
Besides, the writers aren't giving away everything. If any time the Season Three finale ends with Twilight remaining a princess, then surely, the two-part Season Four premiere will have Twilight Sparkle sacrifice her princesshood to save her friends, and thus everything returns to normal. Right?
I've been giving you the benefit of the doubt, but at this point I'm certain you're trolling. At least 90% of my posts in this thread (including most of my replies to you) have been about why I think it's a bad idea, even though I'm still going to wait and see what happens. Your also saying that the writers and Hasbro - the only ones who know for certain what really will happen in Season 4 and who have the most at stake here - are lying and that it'll all be undone ASAP without any evidence to back that up.
The Mane Six consisted of two earth ponies, two pegasi, and two unicorns. Once Twilight becomes an alicorn, there would be two pairs of earth ponies and pegasi, but only one unicorn, thus disrupting the natural balance. Plus, Season Four might be so obsessed with Twilight learning the ropes of princesshood, that the show will forget about the other five main ponies. Either that, or vice versa.
Is this evidence enough?
No, it's not. Not at all. You're repeating what my concerns are about Twilicorn as somehow evidence that Twilicorn will be undone, when my concerns are merely speculation of a possible outcome based on the facts we have at hand that isn't 100% guaranteed to happen. Your also acting like the ratio of Earth / Unicorn / Pegasi ponies in the main cast is even slightly important or impacts anything.
You are most definitely trolling. You're arguments are the very definition of "Insane Troll Logic". Seeing as how you don't care for a logical argument in the slightest, I'm done here. Anyone else want to discuss this with me, then go ahead and I'll get back to you; but I'm ignoring EN now. Good day.
Ehhh. To me, this just shows why investing in these things is always risky. People always said that Hasbro does not care about the show, how good it is, and all that good stuff, but I never knew just how deep it ran. But when I read the statement from one of the execs at Hasbro that said, "Well, there are 13 episodes because there are enough episodes out already for us to have a good pool of reruns without spending as much time or effort in the show," I knew something was very wrong, in the same way the writer infighting about the direction of the show and Lauren Faust saying she left because she couldn't have the same creative control made a few flags raise.
With Hasbro beginning to meddle more and more, I don't see things getting better. Yes, you can say that the writers can take anything and spin it around to make it work, but I don't have that much faith in the writers anymore. Season 2 wasn't horrible, but most of it was just average, lacking the same passion and creativity, having bad characterization to the point where it seemed like they didn't care, having a changed tone and pacing, playing things more predictably and simply without doing much with them, and things getting less enamoring in general.
Season 3? Look at The Crystal Empire and tell me that's anything but the lazy, dumb, and just...bad thing that they've put out. Look at One Bad Apple, which people hyped us up about. Tell me it's not just cringeworthy and unoriginal. I'm sure the anti-bullying episode and the crystal pony episodes might have been mandated by the lords on high, and they had a lot of room to work with what could have been good ideas. Look what they did. Look at the Discord episodes and tell me why they couldn't write an ending that made sense. Or the NEW Discord episode. That was certainly bland and cliche enough.
I've always been more in love with the fanon because it represents pure passion with no limits. People can explore the ideas that they want to, inject their own, and be creative without people stepping in to moderate them. Yeah, you do have to worry about quality control, but I find that it's easy to tell what is schlock and what is good, and when something is good, it often hits higher notes than the show ever did. I'm proud to say I've read millions of words over the past few years that I think I enjoyed more than any episode that has come out in seasons 3 or 2.
I don't know what's caused this, because season 1 was pretty good! It wasn't perfection, but it was good in all the right ways, and all the bad was minor and forgettable. You couldn't say that it was brilliant, but it's charm was in other areas. They tried to put that behind them and seemingly compete in those areas that didn't really matter, and it baffles me. Even when it's just these writers, I don't see them caring at all. I see sloppy work, not love, devotion, and passion, more often than not, and more and more lately.
But even if you did have the PERFECT writing team, this decision is dumb at the very least. It messes up character progression to the extreme and gives me the feeling of, "Well, now what?" I don't think any fan had major opposition to the idea that Twilight becomes and alicorn or a princess at some point. I think that's what they filled in when we all came together and wondered what the finale would be like and what the ponies would have happen to them in it and after. But now? Why do this now, especially if you're just going to be putting a shitload of effort into keeping everything the same afterward? Why make this change that is supposed to be big and life changing, that is "supposed" to be the end of her character arc, and rush it like this for some "Hey, everyone can be a princess if they're nice and moral and what the fuck ever! Well, no, that's not true, but even if you can't, you can act like a princess, because this is what it is!" message? And that's assuming the writers aren't BSing because this was something they had to do.
The morals should not interfere with the plot and characters this much. It shouldn't take these big, impactful moments and seek to make them as unintrusive as possible while still trying to mean these big things. Why have the writers trying to downplay it and make this seem small when this should have been the opposite, but at the ending? And if they're going to do that, why have the episode play up the, "Twilight will be a princess! It is her destiny!" that the season opener seems to suggest is more the case? It looks like a mess, from where I'm standing, and I would pity the writers if I thought they gave even a little bit of a shit. And don't get me started on the rumors about humans in s4. There won't be a fan left to complain in the month, and by the time they realize how bad they messed up, given the 1 year turn around time for episodes, it will be far too late to do anything about it.
Then of course, there is Derpy Hooves, which is a shitstorm all of its own. If the rumors are true, and I do think that they are, given the evidence of what we have seen, this is seriously going to turn people off. It's like they're allergic to money and don't know how to handle their own business. PR is a real thing, and it would take so very very little to foster good PR in a big community. But it seems like they are hellbent to squander that opportunity for a little bit more in toy sales. It seems like the people who run this shindig are very short sighted.
You know, in thinking about this, I don't think they can make it permanent. The main six are a point-counterpoint bunch. There are two of each type, earth pony, pegasus, and unicorn, and each pairing if opposites. Rainbow Dash is an extrovert, Fluttershy is an introvert, Applejack is very down to earth, Pinkie Pie is...Pinkie Pie('nuff said), Rarity is all about style and presentation, Twilight is all about function and utility. Those qualities on their own aren't important to the finale, but the fact is that everyone is paired together, and taking her away would upset the balance. So I'm not counting on this sticking. In fact I'm guessing, given the synopsis we've been given so far, that alicorn twilight will be the result of Celestia(or Luna) and Twilight swapping places, and at the end everything will be returned to the status quo.
Bashfluff: Season 3? Look at The Crystal Empire and tell me that's anything but the lazy, dumb, and just...bad thing that they've put out. Look at One Bad Apple, which people hyped us up about. Tell me it's not just cringeworthy and unoriginal. I'm sure the anti-bullying episode and the crystal pony episodes might have been mandated by the lords on high, and they had a lot of room to work with what could have been good ideas. Look what they did. Look at the Discord episodes and tell me why they couldn't write an ending that made sense. Or the NEW Discord episode. That was certainly bland and cliche enough.
I rather liked One Bad Apple. Not every episode has to stand solely on its writing, and this one has a great song and is shot through with visuals that are weapons-grade adorable. Plus the line about Rarity's edible golden boots is the best collective fandom spit-take we're going to get in a while.
But the new Discord episode, that was anything but cliche. Fluttershy laid down an epic guilt trip, a natural extension of her Mom Voice superpower, and cracked a lord of chaos with it. She decided she was going to catch flies with honey, and then climbed up on her cross and just stayed there until it worked. We could have used one more scene of Discord sweating under the pressure, something to confirm he's not a complete sociopath and does actually care that he's disappointing Fluttershy, but otherwise this episode is exactly what I want from the show. That was a display of feminine power we rarely see, and never in a positive sense. More of that please, more taking negative female tropes and stereotypes and subverting them.
Speaking of which: Princesses. Man, I don't know. The "fan fics will burn" line is the best summation, if you've got extensive headcanon built up around Twilight or the alicorns, this is going to be rough. My Cheerilee ship is likely sunk. But that's the risk of investing in someone else's universe. Some days you wake up and now there are midichlorians and we're just going to cope with that.
But I'm not willing to write it all off sight unseen. Maybe Princess Sparkle will be the best thing to ever happen to little-girl-show royalty. Maybe.
Bashfluff: Season 3? Look at The Crystal Empire and tell me that's anything but the lazy, dumb, and just...bad thing that they've put out. Look at One Bad Apple, which people hyped us up about. Tell me it's not just cringeworthy and unoriginal. I'm sure the anti-bullying episode and the crystal pony episodes might have been mandated by the lords on high, and they had a lot of room to work with what could have been good ideas. Look what they did. Look at the Discord episodes and tell me why they couldn't write an ending that made sense. Or the NEW Discord episode. That was certainly bland and cliche enough.
I rather liked One Bad Apple. Not every episode has to stand solely on its writing, and this one has a great song and is shot through with visuals that are weapons-grade adorable. Plus the line about Rarity's edible golden boots is the best collective fandom spit-take we're going to get in a while.
But the new Discord episode, that was anything but cliche. Fluttershy laid down an epic guilt trip, a natural extension of her Mom Voice superpower, and cracked a lord of chaos with it. She decided she was going to catch flies with honey, and then climbed up on her cross and just stayed there until it worked. We could have used one more scene of Discord sweating under the pressure, something to confirm he's not a complete sociopath and does actually care that he's disappointing Fluttershy, but otherwise this episode is exactly what I want from the show. That was a display of feminine power we rarely see, and never in a positive sense. More of that please, more taking negative female tropes and stereotypes and subverting them.
Speaking of which: Princesses. Man, I don't know. The "fan fics will burn" line is the best summation, if you've got extensive headcanon built up around Twilight or the alicorns, this is going to be rough. My Cheerilee ship is likely sunk. But that's the risk of investing in someone else's universe. Some days you wake up and now there are midichlorians and we're just going to cope with that.
But I'm not willing to write it all off sight unseen. Maybe Princess Sparkle will be the best thing to ever happen to little-girl-show royalty. Maybe.
No, it doesn't have to stand on its writing, but it has to be written well and competently. It was not.
The most important part of it was cliche, like they took it right out of some other script. That's fine, but don't call it anything but cliche. I think that people with fanfics will prosper in this era of, "Oh God, Hasbro, stahp!" Because they can ignore all of the BS and provide a better product without interference.
If so, then why did you give me evidence that felt more pro-Twilicorn?
Besides, the writers aren't giving away everything. If any time the Season Three finale ends with Twilight remaining a princess, then surely, the two-part Season Four premiere will have Twilight Sparkle sacrifice her princesshood to save her friends, and thus everything returns to normal. Right?
I've been giving you the benefit of the doubt, but at this point I'm certain you're trolling. At least 90% of my posts in this thread (including most of my replies to you) have been about why I think it's a bad idea, even though I'm still going to wait and see what happens. Your also saying that the writers and Hasbro - the only ones who know for certain what really will happen in Season 4 and who have the most at stake here - are lying and that it'll all be undone ASAP without any evidence to back that up.
The Mane Six consisted of two earth ponies, two pegasi, and two unicorns. Once Twilight becomes an alicorn, there would be two pairs of earth ponies and pegasi, but only one unicorn, thus disrupting the natural balance. Plus, Season Four might be so obsessed with Twilight learning the ropes of princesshood, that the show will forget about the other five main ponies. Either that, or vice versa.
Is this evidence enough?
Bro you've got it all wrong. Why do you keep bringing it up when you're wrong? Just admit MLP is the greatest thing in the known universe and your life will turn out better. That's all their is to it, there's no use denying that
Normally I don't post in pony threads but ...uh...Don't get me wrong I love my old cartoons and all that but I don't think I'd have this kind of issue with a childrens show. I still enjoy Ed Edd and Eddy but after they did the whole "we're going to school thing" and it became unfunny, much like Dexter when it got a new artist I think the best idea is to just move on.
This coming from a cartoonist no less :|