NEWS: Girl, 9, Gives Birth in Mexico

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knight steel:

krazykidd:
Wait i may have read that wrong , but didn't the article say the 17 y/o boy wanted to have the girl and HIS BABY move in with him? And the girl refused? Seriously , i'm proud of this guy ( for that one thing) , hell in the world there all full fledge adults who don't even take care of their kids and this guy wanted to .

SanAndreasSmoke:
Relationship...? Relationship? RELATIONSHIP?? A nine-year old??
What the fuck am I hearing? This guy had a long-running, ongoing series of contacts with a 9-year old and no one decided to intervene?
J-Just... How? How did no one see anything wrong with this?

You do know that there are different laws/mentallities depending on which part of the world you come from right? And none of them of "wrong" .

i have a feeling i'm going to get flamed for this post

I couldn't agree with you more however were still gong to get torn into,You and me both man, you and me both *sigh*. But despite that if we stick together we can prevail!

The age of consent in Mexico is 12 years old. What he did was illegal in his own country and is not supported by his own culture so in this case that argument is invalid.

Believe it or not this is not the mind blowingly rare occurrence that you might think.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers

Abomination:
I'm more concerned with the logistics of the situation. How does a 9 year old get time away from a guardian to actually have sex in the first place?

This is some seriously irresponsible parenting.

Exactly, this is why poor people shouldn't be allowed to have kids! No time for baby raising when you have to work 18 hours a day.

Snownine:

knight steel:

krazykidd:
Wait i may have read that wrong , but didn't the article say the 17 y/o boy wanted to have the girl and HIS BABY move in with him? And the girl refused? Seriously , i'm proud of this guy ( for that one thing) , hell in the world there all full fledge adults who don't even take care of their kids and this guy wanted to .

You do know that there are different laws/mentallities depending on which part of the world you come from right? And none of them of "wrong" .

i have a feeling i'm going to get flamed for this post

I couldn't agree with you more however were still gong to get torn into,You and me both man, you and me both *sigh*. But despite that if we stick together we can prevail!

The age of consent in Mexico is 12 years old. What he did was illegal in his own country and is not supported by his own culture so in this case that argument is invalid.

HMMM good point, did you read my other earlier post it brought up other different points,also just because the law/culture says something doesn't mean you can't try and fight/change it or bring up point against it, other cultures and time allow it so perhaps mexico should as well?

Fluffythepoo:

Abomination:
I'm more concerned with the logistics of the situation. How does a 9 year old get time away from a guardian to actually have sex in the first place?

This is some seriously irresponsible parenting.

Exactly, this is why poor people shouldn't be allowed to have kids! No time for baby raising when you have to work 18 hours a day.

So the child is left alone for, essentially, the entire day (the parents have to sleep some time)?

If that's the case then, no, you shouldn't have children. Because you don't even spend ANY time with them. What's the point?

Wow I really thought this would have more comments and views by now, I wonder why not?
Come on guys share your thoughts on the situation!

Copper Zen:

Yeah, you read that right. Let's check the magnifying glass:

Corona says the state prosecutor is "still open to the possibility of rape or child sex abuse."

We have some Escapists from Mexico, so out of consideration for some of our own--whom I know would be as disgusted and outraged by this as the rest of us--it's incumbent that people don't Group Pounce on the country in general, but recognize that this is the vile act of a vile young man and a criminally irresponsible mother who let the 17 year old alleged father date her 9 year old daughter to begin with.

meet Lina Medina
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Lina Medina (born September 27, 1933, in Ticrapo, Huancavelica Region, Peru) is the youngest confirmed mother in medical history, giving birth at the age of five years, seven months and 17 days. She currently lives in Lima, the capital of Peru.
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Born in Ticrapo, Peru,[1] to silversmith Tiburelo Medina and Victoria Losea,[2] Medina was brought to a hospital by her parents at the age of five years due to increasing abdominal size. She was originally thought to have had a tumor, but her doctors determined she was in her seventh month of pregnancy. Dr. Gerardo Lozada took her to Lima, Peru, before the surgery to have other specialists confirm that Medina was pregnant.
Contemporary newspaper accounts indicate that interest in the case developed on many fronts. The San Antonio Light newspaper reported in its July 16, 1939, edition-in anticipation of the girl's expected visit to university scientific facilities in the United States-that a national Peruvian obstetrician/midwife association had demanded before the birth that the girl be transported to a national maternity hospital and quoted April 18 reports in the Peruvian paper La Crónica stating that a North American filmmaking concern sent a representative "with authority to offer the sum of $5000 to benefit the minor [in exchange for filming rights] ... we know that the offer was rejected."[3] The same article, reprinted from a Chicago paper, noted that Dr. Lozada had made films of Medina for scientific documentation and had shown them around April 21 while addressing Peru's National Academy of Medicine; on a subsequent visit to visit Lina's remote hometown, some of the baggage carrying the films had been dropped into the river while crossing "a very primitive bridge": "Enough of his pictorial record remained, however, to intrigue the learned savants."[3]
A month and a half after the original diagnosis, on May 14, 1939, Medina gave birth to a boy by a caesarean section necessitated by her small pelvis. The surgery was performed by Dr. Lozada and Dr. Busalleu, with Dr. Colareta providing anaesthesia. Her case was reported in detail by Dr. Edmundo Escomel in the medical journal La Presse Médicale, including the additional details that her menarche had occurred at eight months of age, in contrast to a past report stating that she had been having regular periods since she was three years old[4] (or 2½ according to a different article[1]). The report also detailed that she had prominent breast development by the age of four. By age five, her figure displayed pelvic widening and advanced bone maturation. When doctors performed the caesarean to deliver her baby, they found she already had fully mature sexual organs from precocious puberty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lina_Medina

Mexico,
Japan called. They want their 'DAFUQ' back.

Hey man, you shouldn't judge, I know some 9 year olds that look like they might be 11!

I'm going to go cry for a bit now.

Also, for those of you wondering that such a young people can already reproduce:
Everyone develops at a different time and at different rates, so this isn't all that unusual.

I had one guy in my class that was nearing 9" by the time we graduated elementary. Showering after PE was a real downer those last couple years.

Also, it would seem that the starting age of puberty is lowering in the last few decades, especially for females.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/oct/21/puberty-adolescence-childhood-onset

Abomination:
I'm more concerned with the logistics of the situation. How does a 9 year old get time away from a guardian to actually have sex in the first place?

This is some seriously irresponsible parenting.

And sadly something that happens more and more nowadays, worldwide.
Now everyone is also treating the girl as if she has no blame, only because she's 9 years old. Ok, everyone knows, there are MANY kids around that age who think they are badass adults, and do what they do willingly even if they do not fully comprehend the extent of their actions. Kids nowadays, especially those whose parents don't look after as they should (or sadly CAN'T look after as they should) - obviously -, are not that innocent anymore.
HOWEVER, obviously, the agent was 17 years old and she was NINE, I refuse to believe he didn't know her age or something (some 14 years old can pass for 18, bringing all types of controversy in court), and even if she isn't a saint HE should have refused to engage into sex. In my opinion, this is Statutory Rape, meaning it doesn't matter if she was ok with the act or not, he's old enough to know better, meaning he took advantage of her stupidity at least, or downright raped her (which I don't think was the case).

If I had a gun on hand I'd consider just blowing my brains out after reading that and as it stands right now I just want to take as many anti-depressants as humanly possible.

Seriously, who does that? That's fucked up.

You guys are overreacting to this.
Relatively, this is fairly mild compared to to the hundreds of millions of little girls who are raped or prostituted everywhere in the world, then and now.
This girl was noticed because she succesfully gave birth.
What about all the underage girls who don't happen to be "fortunate" enough to get pregnant and thus leave physical evidence of their rape/prostitution?
What about all the underage girls who simply die during childbirth?

I'm not saying this story doesn't deserve outrage, but it seems a bit overblown and misdirected, relatively, compared to the larger picture - which unfortunately goes unnoticed in the news most of the time.

Johnny Novgorod:

Copper Zen:
The search continues, according to authorities, for the baby's 17-year-old father, who may be criminally charged for having a sexual relationship with Dafne.

"MAY" be criminally charged? The hell?

Well, are they certain he IS the father? There certainly has been sexual abuse of a child going on, but it's best to know for sure who it was before charging anyone.

Lt._nefarious:
If I had a gun on hand I'd consider just blowing my brains out after reading that and as it stands right now I just want to take as many anti-depressants as humanly possible.

Seriously, who does that? That's fucked up.

I do hope you are exaggerating because if not you are taking that whole over reaction thing up to 11.

You know, no strong views one way or the other, but 'open to the possibility of rape'.

It was a fucking legal certainty and you know it.

Copper Zen:

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Yeah, you read that right. Let's check the magnifying glass:

Corona says the state prosecutor is "still open to the possibility of rape or child sex abuse."

The level of stoicism on display there is positively British.

Milanezi:

Abomination:
I'm more concerned with the logistics of the situation. How does a 9 year old get time away from a guardian to actually have sex in the first place?

This is some seriously irresponsible parenting.

And sadly something that happens more and more nowadays, worldwide.
Now everyone is also treating the girl as if she has no blame, only because she's 9 years old. Ok, everyone knows, there are MANY kids around that age who think they are badass adults, and do what they do willingly even if they do not fully comprehend the extent of their actions. Kids nowadays, especially those whose parents don't look after as they should (or sadly CAN'T look after as they should) - obviously -, are not that innocent anymore.
HOWEVER, obviously, the agent was 17 years old and she was NINE, I refuse to believe he didn't know her age or something (some 14 years old can pass for 18, bringing all types of controversy in court), and even if she isn't a saint HE should have refused to engage into sex. In my opinion, this is Statutory Rape, meaning it doesn't matter if she was ok with the act or not, he's old enough to know better, meaning he took advantage of her stupidity at least, or downright raped her (which I don't think was the case).

Well, one should consider that you are dealing with Mexico, you said you have seen 14 year olds who pass for 18. Well, the age of consent in Mexico only 12 years old. Now, I dont make a habit of trying to guess preteen girls ages, but I probobly would fail to recognize the differences in two folk of those two ages, particularly of hispanic origin who mature faster than others

saoirse13:
While searching this story earier today I came across this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers
The youngest birth mother recorded was 5 years old. this just totally shocked me.

And here I was, sitting smugly by, assuming I'd seen all the weird the world had to show me... I dunno how I feel about thaaaat.

OT: I'm more surprised by the girl having been capable of pregnancy, than the prospect of her having a relationship with a 17-year old. (Relationships between persons of large age gaps never bothers me. But when sex in on the table... 'skindaweirdbutaslongastheybothconsent.)

First of all: eeewww... Second: WHAT THE HELL?!?! Is that even physically possible!??!

Great, now I gotta go wash out my brain...

I think Gabe said it best.

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Blunderboy:
Mexico,
Japan called. They want their 'DAFUQ' back.

dude, you dont even know how fucked up mexico is sometimes.

some days some parts of mexico might be out of this guys nightmares:
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nad thats pretty fucked up.

rhizhim:

Blunderboy:
Mexico,
Japan called. They want their 'DAFUQ' back.

dude, you dont even know how fucked up mexico is sometimes.

some days some parts of mexico might be out of this guys nightmares:
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nad thats pretty fucked up.

I think this applies not only to your post but to the thread in general!

Tayh:
You guys are overreacting to this.
Relatively, this is fairly mild compared to to the hundreds of millions of little girls who are raped or prostituted everywhere in the world, then and now.
This girl was noticed because she succesfully gave birth.
What about all the underage girls who don't happen to be "fortunate" enough to get pregnant and thus leave physical evidence of their rape/prostitution?
What about all the underage girls who simply die during childbirth?

I'm not saying this story doesn't deserve outrage, but it seems a bit overblown and misdirected, relatively, compared to the larger picture - which unfortunately goes unnoticed in the news most of the time.

You're not wrong. I imagine it helps that this happened in Mexico, which is safely distant and foreign enough to let people get their outrage on until they get bored with it, rather than looking at a systemic problem they are interested in seeing fixed.

Do you guys live in a bubble or something?

How can you be shocked by this?

Worse shit happens every hour in the World, but everyone ignores it until it's widely spoken on the media.

Biodeamon:
Quite frankly, if you really want be a truly loving and supporting nation you should respect two romantic parnters relationship if they are both entirely consensual, no matter what they may both be.

Too bad kids can't consent to sex.

And quite frankly, if you're trying to excuse this with "we should be a loving and supportive nation", then love and support can fester and rot.

lacktheknack:

Biodeamon:
Quite frankly, if you really want be a truly loving and supporting nation you should respect two romantic parnters relationship if they are both entirely consensual, no matter what they may both be.

Too bad kids can't consent to sex.

And quite frankly, if you're trying to excuse this with "we should be a loving and supportive nation", then love and support can fester and rot.

People come into sexuality and mature at different times and over the history of man kind views on age and sex have fluctuated [people use to marry and have sex legally at 12 and was considered normal].

The doctor has said she physically fine and while we don't know the detail's the girl states that it was a loving companionship suggesting consent [the idea of when a person can consent varies from country to country and as stated before people mature differently so it is possible that she knew what she was doing thus consensual], the man also wanted to look after the child but ran when refused.

While doing so was wrong as he should have stayed considering possible reaction to this he might have felt like he had no choice and had to go for his own safety. Considering these factors we should wait intill more info but at the moment I personally see this act as ok an that he should NOT be punishable at this time.

My god, an underage mexican girl giving birth?! Call the presses! That never happens!

knight steel:

lacktheknack:

Biodeamon:
Quite frankly, if you really want be a truly loving and supporting nation you should respect two romantic parnters relationship if they are both entirely consensual, no matter what they may both be.

Too bad kids can't consent to sex.

And quite frankly, if you're trying to excuse this with "we should be a loving and supportive nation", then love and support can fester and rot.

People come into sexuality and mature at different times and over the history of man kind views on age and sex have fluctuated [people use to marry and have sex legally at 12 and was considered normal].

The doctor has said she physically fine and while we don't know the detail's the girl states that it was a loving companionship suggesting consent [the idea of when a person can consent varies from country to country and as stated before people mature differently so it is possible that she knew what she was doing thus consensual], the man also wanted to look after the child but ran when refused.

While doing so was wrong as he should have stayed considering possible reaction to this he might have felt like he had no choice and had to go for his own safety. Considering these factors we should wait intill more info but at the moment I personally see this act as ok an that he should NOT be punishable at this time.

I have a line drawn in the sand.

The age of consent is 12 in Mexico (I believe).

He was significantly older than that, and she was significantly younger.

Laws are there for a damned reason, and one potentially exceptable couple being inconvenienced can just suck it up and wait. I'm not interested in technicalities of potential maturity, I care that a nine-year-old has been thrust into motherhood (and there's NO WAY you can convince me she was prepared for that), and I'm disgusted that people try to defend this.

lacktheknack:

knight steel:

lacktheknack:

Too bad kids can't consent to sex.

And quite frankly, if you're trying to excuse this with "we should be a loving and supportive nation", then love and support can fester and rot.

People come into sexuality and mature at different times and over the history of man kind views on age and sex have fluctuated [people use to marry and have sex legally at 12 and was considered normal].

The doctor has said she physically fine and while we don't know the detail's the girl states that it was a loving companionship suggesting consent [the idea of when a person can consent varies from country to country and as stated before people mature differently so it is possible that she knew what she was doing thus consensual], the man also wanted to look after the child but ran when refused.

While doing so was wrong as he should have stayed considering possible reaction to this he might have felt like he had no choice and had to go for his own safety. Considering these factors we should wait intill more info but at the moment I personally see this act as ok an that he should NOT be punishable at this time.

I have a line drawn in the sand.

The age of consent is 12 in Mexico (I believe).

He was significantly older than that, and she was significantly younger.

Laws are there for a damned reason, and one potentially exceptable couple being inconvenienced can just suck it up and wait. I'm not interested in technicalities of potential maturity, I care that a nine-year-old has been thrust into motherhood (and there's NO WAY you can convince me she was prepared for that), and I'm disgusted that people try to defend this.

Just because the law/culture says something doesn't mean you can't try and fight/change it or bring up point against it, other cultures and time allow it so perhaps mexico should as well? Also she's not going through mother hood alone she has her parent or if it was to hard adoption!

Biodeamon:
Quite frankly, if you really want be a truly loving and supporting nation you should respect two romantic parnters relationship if they are both entirely consensual, no matter what they may both be.

A relationship with a party that does not mentally comprehend what they are doing by definition cannot be consensual.

Is she hot?

But seriously, that's pretty messed up. As a severe punishment, he should have earbuds glued into his ears and be forced to listen to metalcore for the rest of his life.

knight steel:

lacktheknack:

knight steel:

People come into sexuality and mature at different times and over the history of man kind views on age and sex have fluctuated [people use to marry and have sex legally at 12 and was considered normal].

The doctor has said she physically fine and while we don't know the detail's the girl states that it was a loving companionship suggesting consent [the idea of when a person can consent varies from country to country and as stated before people mature differently so it is possible that she knew what she was doing thus consensual], the man also wanted to look after the child but ran when refused.

While doing so was wrong as he should have stayed considering possible reaction to this he might have felt like he had no choice and had to go for his own safety. Considering these factors we should wait intill more info but at the moment I personally see this act as ok an that he should NOT be punishable at this time.

I have a line drawn in the sand.

The age of consent is 12 in Mexico (I believe).

He was significantly older than that, and she was significantly younger.

Laws are there for a damned reason, and one potentially exceptable couple being inconvenienced can just suck it up and wait. I'm not interested in technicalities of potential maturity, I care that a nine-year-old has been thrust into motherhood (and there's NO WAY you can convince me she was prepared for that), and I'm disgusted that people try to defend this.

Just because the law/culture says something doesn't mean you can't try and fight/change it or bring up point against it, other cultures and time allow it so perhaps mexico should as well? Also she's not going through mother hood alone she has her parent or if it was to hard adoption!

Over time, the age of consent has gone UP. Lowering it further was considered a bad idea FOR A REASON. Do you honestly think she was ready for sex and children? I don't want some wishy-washy "she might be", because that's BS and you know it. Your average nine year old is preoccupied with the simplest mathematics, making simple crafts, playing games with friends, and generally not worrying about "adult problems". Now she has to, support or not.

What's worse, that a very mature nine-year-old should be forced to wait a few years before she steps into adulthood, or that a typical nine-year-old should be allowed into adulthood before she's anywhere close to ready? (Hint: It's the second one.)

Yes, some things can/should be changed. Lowering age of consent IS NOT ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

lacktheknack:

knight steel:

lacktheknack:

I have a line drawn in the sand.

The age of consent is 12 in Mexico (I believe).

He was significantly older than that, and she was significantly younger.

Laws are there for a damned reason, and one potentially exceptable couple being inconvenienced can just suck it up and wait. I'm not interested in technicalities of potential maturity, I care that a nine-year-old has been thrust into motherhood (and there's NO WAY you can convince me she was prepared for that), and I'm disgusted that people try to defend this.

Just because the law/culture says something doesn't mean you can't try and fight/change it or bring up point against it, other cultures and time allow it so perhaps mexico should as well? Also she's not going through mother hood alone she has her parent or if it was to hard adoption!

Over time, the age of consent has gone UP. Lowering it further was considered a bad idea FOR A REASON. Do you honestly think she was ready for sex and children? I don't want some wishy-washy "she might be", because that's BS and you know it. Your average nine year old is preoccupied with the simplest mathematics, making simple crafts, playing games with friends, and generally not worrying about "adult problems". Now she has to, support or not.

What's worse, that a very mature nine-year-old should be forced to wait a few years before she steps into adulthood, or that a typical nine-year-old should be allowed into adulthood before she's anywhere close to ready? (Hint: It's the second one.)

Yes, some things can/should be changed. Lowering age of consent IS NOT ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

She might be :P.......but seriously in all honesty that is my answer not everything is black and white, not every line is straight, we need to be flexible in our judgment and decision's and look at each case individually on it's own merits!

Really your probably right she was most likely not ready for it in which case this is sad and he should be punished but we don't know that for certain children can be incredibly smart.

As for that adult problems again their is adoption and if she is mature enough to partake willing in the event then those problems aren't really there.

As which is worse the second one is, but were not talking about a world were we have the ability to choose like that, things like this will happen and we have to look at all possible facts ^_^

Third world countries are third world. Is this really news?

Is it sad that I'm not surprised in the slightest?

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