Cultural Creeping?

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this is just something i've noticed slowly emerging in my 28 years of life. Japanese culture seems to be gaining a lot of strength and momentum in our culture. I was in a shop in my tiny town and noticed that it was selling books of 'Cinderella' but it was done entirely with manga-style artwork, very shojou.

Then there are our cartoons, i've noticed a growing number of them are aping the anime style, with an american twist, as Anime is far more popular (as far as I am aware) than conventional american animation.

But it's not just media, i've seen some girls a bit younger than me dressing in outfits i'd expect to see in a japanese fashion magazine, similar hairstyles, make up, words and even gestures.

I saw a picture of some of my old friends from my beauty school posing together and doing the 'V' with their fingers and big grins on their faces, another trend i've seen growing.

Whilst i'm not really offended or startled by this, I'm curious if anyone else has seen this cropping up anywhere?

Yes, I did notice that. About 12 years ago. You're kind of late to the party, bro :P

Culture flows like water. It will spread out to all spaces it is physically able to reach.

Sorry, too distracted watching Australian culture erode under the media onslaught of US culture to notice.

RhombusHatesYou:
Sorry, too distracted watching Australian culture erode under the media onslaught of US culture to notice.

Wait wait...We have culture in the US?
And here I thought it was just reality TV shows, political punditry and Facebook.

RhombusHatesYou:
Sorry, too distracted watching Australian culture erode under the media onslaught of US culture to notice.

Yup. I recently expressed my thoughts about one particular instance

DoPo:

Chantellyboom:
a day for consumers to rob us

You mean merchants there, I think. But I agree. For all the talk that it's been commercialised... I really don't know others' experience with that but I've seen it in action. Directly in action. And I didn't like it. Here is my story:

About 15 years ago, the only way I knew of Valentine's day was due to movies from the USA. I didn't even know which date it fell on or anything else than what movies showed, i.e., people stressing out about being single or trying to pick a date and stuff. We don't celebrate that in my country. Or we didn't use to. See probably 10 years ago (or around there) shops started offering Valentine's day stuff. It was small - maybe some cards, here and there you'd see flowers or some gifts going on sale. It was a bit weird, as it felt like injecting foreign culture. But it was also small. And then each year, things started to grow. Now the vast majority of stores offer Valentine's day themed promotions and stuff. And fuck chocolates or flowers - you are told that to prove your love you have to buy what each store offers. That includes mobile phones, for example, or whatever else happens to be sold there. It's even in ads on the TV "Hey, you know that foreign holiday? Yeah, you MUST honour it and you MUST buy this thing for your partner or you don't love them as much". That's really frustrating to see - a date that went from being just somebody else's thing is now being advertised as the time to BUY LOTS O' STUFF to prove something that never needed that proof until a while ago.

But that's not the only issue I have with Valentine's day - it's not only the foreign holiday thing it has going on, no. See, we actually HAD that holiday already. Less than a month after St. Valentine's, even - it's not exactly the same but there is a "mother's/women's day" which covers pretty mucht he same aspects as it. Only St. Valentine's gives a bit of leeway to people so both sexes are expected to treat the other (how often that happens, I don't know) on the women's day it's women that get treated to something nice. But there is also love and that other stuff overlapping between the two. So it is not only somebody else's, it is also redundant - you can't make a case of "but it's a nice thing to celebrate" because we already did that.

And final problem with Valentine's day - it's on 14th of February. For people who normally celebrate it then it doesn't mean much but look at it from my perspective - this date is already occupied by another holiday. It feels...wrong to suddenly say "nope, you have to honour that other holiday even if you already kind of do and even if you already do something else at the same time". Oh, and what holiday it is? I'd say it's way better than St. Valentine's but maybe it's just me.

The legend goes that St. Trifon did some stuff and yadda yadda yadda now wine. Yeah, it's a wine celebration day. Erm...it the highest official sense, that is, it's more like "wine and all other alcohol celebration day", actually. You probably guessed what's the tradition there - in order to celebrate the holiday, you go and drink wine and other alcohol (if you fancy that). Beats a card and a box of chocolates, if you ask me.

So, no, I don't really celebrate Valentine's day and I'm not a big fan of it either. But just so we're clear - I'm not a big fan of it unless it's in its native territory - I don't care there.

RhombusHatesYou:
Sorry, too distracted watching Australian culture erode under the media onslaught of US culture to notice.

Australian culture! That is the very definition of an oxymoron. What's the difference between yogurt and Australia, yogurt has culture. Mind you you can't beat us at cricket anymore, you may have a point.

Carl Barks invented manga.

Also, considering Japanese culture is dying over there it's probably good that it will be preserved in a grotesquely westernised joke version. Just like the mighty Chinese panda that's now munching on Dutch bamboo in a British zoo built by Polish contractors.

Atmos Duality:

RhombusHatesYou:
Sorry, too distracted watching Australian culture erode under the media onslaught of US culture to notice.

Wait wait...We have culture in the US?
And here I thought it was just reality TV shows, political punditry and Facebook.

Yep, 'Murican culture is still technically culture. Even if I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

albino boo:

RhombusHatesYou:
Sorry, too distracted watching Australian culture erode under the media onslaught of US culture to notice.

Australian culture! That is the very definition of an oxymoron. What's the difference between yogurt and Australia, yogurt has culture.

Oh, I was going to guess 'England can beat yogurt in rugby' or 'English people don't flee to yogurt for jobs'...

And of course we have culture, we have Geoffrey fucking Rush, the man positively shits culture and pisses class.

Mind you you can't beat us at cricket anymore, you may have a point.

Naw, Australian cricket has fallen because of 2 major, related issues - when the national squad was strong they stopped investing so much in player development and the national selectors are a bunch of fuckwits giving mutual handjobs to players past their prime... the English went through this in the early 80s and it took them 20 years to recover. The West Indies fell apart in the late 80s/early 90s and still haven't gotten their shit back together. Besides, how fucking boring was it when Australia was winning everything?

I don't even really follow the cricket but it's almost impossible to avoid the politics of it here.

Quaxar:
Carl Barks invented manga.

Also, considering Japanese culture is dying over there it's probably good that it will be preserved in a grotesquely westernised joke version. Just like the mighty Chinese panda that's now munching on Dutch bamboo in a British zoo built by Polish contractors.

Nonsense. Culture doesn't die. It evolves. Anywhere humans live there is culture.

I more see of this as a spread of a particular subset of Japanese culture that has little to do with the entirety of their customs, conventions, and beliefs. Anime/manga isn't the entirety of Japanese media, and the fashion trends mostly come from a small part of youth fashion culture and inspirations from anime/manga. Culture as international business doesn't transfer in the same way that culture as a product of human connection does. What we get ultimately is what will sell here, and that is also shaped by our cultural viewpoints. For example: If America didn't value "innocence" and youth in girls and women, some parts of anime culture just wouldn't do nearly as well here, nor would media produced for international sale be catered to that.

It's also worth noting that Western and Japanese animation have a sort of tangled history.

RhombusHatesYou:
Sorry, too distracted watching Australian culture erode under the media onslaught of US culture to notice.

pretty much. Rverything is murrica.

chinangel:

I saw a picture of some of my old friends from my beauty school posing together and doing the 'V' with their fingers and big grins on their faces, another trend i've seen growing.

yeah, haven't seen that shit before.

Owyn_Merrilin:
Yes, I did notice that. About 12 years ago. You're kind of late to the party, bro :P

Pretty much this. The only surprising thing is that someone could be surprised by this in the year 2013.

I would be curious to know where the OP lives that this is just filtering into there now.

I don't mean to be offensive, but at this point it's kind of like saying with a straight face that the internet seems to be really popular these days.

considering the direction in which the american culture is going...honestly i wouldnt mind if another culture overrode ours.

It's called Globalization. Its a major field of study in various disciplines. Go do some research on it, it's interesting stuff.

Dimitriov:

Owyn_Merrilin:
Yes, I did notice that. About 12 years ago. You're kind of late to the party, bro :P

Pretty much this. The only surprising thing is that someone could be surprised by this in the year 2013.

I would be curious to know where the OP lives that this is just filtering into there now.

I don't mean to be offensive, but at this point it's kind of like saying with a straight face that the internet seems to be really popular these days.

It's not a very big town, fairly conservative too and resistent to change. I wanna get out of here but that's something in the making. Besides i am merely trying to find something to talk about as well

I would agree that it is just globalization.
Before the internet, it was mainly western sulture that got exported, and those who liked it will go along with the western trend.
Now that the flow goes both ways, I think people are less restridted geographically with culture, and are free to take part of whatever fits their taste.

And I would disagree that Japanese culture is dying.
If anything, the uniqueness of it to the Americans are starting to wear off, but the culture itself is not going anywhere.

While the manga art style is becoming more prevelent in american cartoons of late, many of the classic cartoons I grew up with as a child of the 80s were japanese imports redubbed (and in some cases completely rewritten as was the case with Sailor Moon and the three different cartoons that became Robotech) for American audiences.

Atmos Duality:

RhombusHatesYou:
Sorry, too distracted watching Australian culture erode under the media onslaught of US culture to notice.

Wait wait...We have culture in the US?
And here I thought it was just reality TV shows, political punditry and Facebook.

Hey, nobody said it was good culture :P

Quaxar:
Carl Barks invented manga.

Also, considering Japanese culture is dying over there it's probably good that it will be preserved in a grotesquely westernised joke version. Just like the mighty Chinese panda that's now munching on Dutch bamboo in a British zoo built by Polish contractors.

I think you you'll find that there are pandas in a Scottish zoo, and we are trying to ween it off bamboo and feed them a chippy form the local chip shop.

sextus the crazy:

Sore totemo kawaii Churchirru, ne? Sugooooii~ <3<3

Oh dear. Pardon me.

Erm. Is it still plausible if I say that I haven't noticed?
I suppose not...

I dont think there is a huge Japanese infolans in Britain or at least Scotland. I know a couple of guy who are big into there stuff: like history, media and language, and i enjoy there cartoons and some of their comics. but nothing i think is huge. there is a bit of english stuff coming in, like poster for the football team and i know a lot of guys who dont support Scottish football teams, which saddens me a bit.

Candidus:

sextus the crazy:

Sore totemo kawaii Churchirru, ne? Sugooooii~ <3<3

Oh dear. Pardon me.

Erm. Is it still plausible if I say that I haven't noticed?
I suppose not...

Adolf-kun, although i find your methods abhorrent, your chikara in gathering the sentai of the third reich impressive, unfortunately for you, we now have the last component needed to build the densestsu-CHURCHILL-GUNDAM!

and then i remembered this is a thing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Message_to_Adolf

There are people from all over the world in these boards, we're all discussing the same stuff, I think it's pretty obvious that is something that's happening, hell here in México some people are now celebrating Halloween, I mean why would we need that if we already have the Day of the Dead one day after that?
But that's what happens when media goes global, cultures start to merge together, I don't see that as a bad thing though.

chinangel:
this is just something i've noticed slowly emerging in my 28 years of life. Japanese culture seems to be gaining a lot of strength and momentum in our culture. I was in a shop in my tiny town and noticed that it was selling books of 'Cinderella' but it was done entirely with manga-style artwork, very shojou.

Then there are our cartoons, i've noticed a growing number of them are aping the anime style, with an american twist, as Anime is far more popular (as far as I am aware) than conventional american animation.

But it's not just media, i've seen some girls a bit younger than me dressing in outfits i'd expect to see in a japanese fashion magazine, similar hairstyles, make up, words and even gestures.

I saw a picture of some of my old friends from my beauty school posing together and doing the 'V' with their fingers and big grins on their faces, another trend i've seen growing.

Whilst i'm not really offended or startled by this, I'm curious if anyone else has seen this cropping up anywhere?

I'm getting the vibe that you're a cut younger than me (later twenties, as has been noted below i think it's an inevtiable part of cultural osmosis that comes rather naturally when several priviliged nations has an open way to inter-communicate globally and gather data immediately. I think that what some of us might have failed to notice (not trying to flakk anyone here) is that a few years ago it was more prevalent as it was completely new, people dressing up in gothic lolita ware in northern europe was unheard of, japanese classes, K-pop and chinese lessons was pretty new as well. And now that it's spreading we're all getting jaded and attributing it to a global development of intermingling cultures, like the (now) eyerollingly embarrasing embrace of american culture with rock in the fifties and video culture in the eighties.

But yes, i think it is more widespread now. But among the examples i've seen above they all seem pretty straightforward, but i'd be interested to know what part of the world you're from and how large a "small" community is in your eyes.

OP, where have you been for the last decade or so? This phenomenon has been going on for years. Have you seriously never noticed the vast amount of Pocky eating kids, that rattle on about their favourite anime to everyone they can find, and very obnoxiously add japanese words to every sentence? Some extreme cases go as far as undergoing plastic surgery to appear more Asian, or in some cases, anime/manga-like. And it's not just in America, it's worldwide.

What I find ironic about this, is that these people try so hard to 'be Japanese', but the Japanese (or at least the manga artists) themselves seem to prefer a more western look, a conclusion supported by the fact that EVERY anime or manga features Caucasian looking characters, with big eyes, and the occasional black guy.

What's the cause of all this is? I'd say it's a form of escapism. People are fed up with their own boring lives, and see how different Japanese culture is, so they try to mimic it, to try and give themselves a feeling as if they were someone else, with a different cultural background. People find Japanese culture interesting because it differs so much, and subconsciously think that they themselves will become more interesting when acting as if they're a part of this culture.

Personally, I find it extremely annoying. I like anime, a lot even. But I don't act like I'm Japanese, insist on calling noodles 'ramen' or add 'kawaii' and 'desu' to everything. I feel embarrassed when I'm grouped with these people, and wish to personally smack some sense into each one of these so-called 'weaboos'.

I keep hoping that this is just a temporarily thing, but like the whole brony fad, it seems horribly persistent.
I suppose it's just something I will have to learn to live with.

wolf thing:
I dont think there is a huge Japanese infolans in Britain or at least Scotland. I know a couple of guy who are big into there stuff: like history, media and language, and i enjoy there cartoons and some of their comics. but nothing i think is huge. there is a bit of english stuff coming in, like poster for the football team and i know a lot of guys who dont support Scottish football teams, which saddens me a bit.

I thought that was because most Scottish teams aren't that good, and therefore don't get broadcast. Until last year, there were only two "good" teams, Rangers and Celtic. And since Rangers has effectively shat their pants and been relegated to the 3rd division, it'll be a while before they can take on Celtic again.

I do love Scotland though, lived here all my life. It's the only place where a "carry oot" has nothing to do with food, and you can buy cigarettes, nappies, sweeties, booze, and a chippy all in the same shop.

Deathlyphil:

wolf thing:
I dont think there is a huge Japanese infolans in Britain or at least Scotland. I know a couple of guy who are big into there stuff: like history, media and language, and i enjoy there cartoons and some of their comics. but nothing i think is huge. there is a bit of english stuff coming in, like poster for the football team and i know a lot of guys who dont support Scottish football teams, which saddens me a bit.

I thought that was because most Scottish teams aren't that good, and therefore don't get broadcast. Until last year, there were only two "good" teams, Rangers and Celtic. And since Rangers has effectively shat their pants and been relegated to the 3rd division, it'll be a while before they can take on Celtic again.

I do love Scotland though, lived here all my life. It's the only place where a "carry oot" has nothing to do with food, and you can buy cigarettes, nappies, sweeties, booze, and a chippy all in the same shop.

That is the truth Scottish football isnt very good, supporting a team is more about tradition and showing local support. it doesn't compare to other football which is great to watch and i have no problem with scots watching it but its surprising that many i people i know don't support a local teams.

Also Ranger is the team i support and we are doing okay stop making fun

wolf thing:

Quaxar:
Carl Barks invented manga.

Also, considering Japanese culture is dying over there it's probably good that it will be preserved in a grotesquely westernised joke version. Just like the mighty Chinese panda that's now munching on Dutch bamboo in a British zoo built by Polish contractors.

I think you you'll find that there are pandas in a Scottish zoo, and we are trying to ween it off bamboo and feed them a chippy form the local chip shop.

Just remember the last ones died when you fed them fried mars bars.

wolf thing:

Also Ranger is the team i support and we are doing okay stop making fun

I was more making fun of football in general. I honestly don't see how these people can possibly be worth the ridiculous amounts of money that is thrown at them. If it takes clubs nearly going under, then maybe it is a good thing. We are "all in it together". Except for the rich, the famous, and the politicians...

RhombusHatesYou:

wolf thing:

Quaxar:
Carl Barks invented manga.

Also, considering Japanese culture is dying over there it's probably good that it will be preserved in a grotesquely westernised joke version. Just like the mighty Chinese panda that's now munching on Dutch bamboo in a British zoo built by Polish contractors.

I think you you'll find that there are pandas in a Scottish zoo, and we are trying to ween it off bamboo and feed them a chippy form the local chip shop.

Just remember the last ones died when you fed them fried mars bars.

Hey, they died happy!

Deathlyphil:

wolf thing:

Also Ranger is the team i support and we are doing okay stop making fun

I was more making fun of football in general. I honestly don't see how these people can possibly be worth the ridiculous amounts of money that is thrown at them. If it takes clubs nearly going under, then maybe it is a good thing. We are "all in it together". Except for the rich, the famous, and the politicians...

i was just joking, footballers are paid way too much, and as i recall Chris Boyd got paid thousand of pound to move to play in a U.S team and he only played a handful of matches. i still enjoy the game but with players being paid more than doctors and fan singing racist song and letter bombing managers, it can be easy to fall out of favors with the sport

RhombusHatesYou:

wolf thing:

Quaxar:
Carl Barks invented manga.

Also, considering Japanese culture is dying over there it's probably good that it will be preserved in a grotesquely westernised joke version. Just like the mighty Chinese panda that's now munching on Dutch bamboo in a British zoo built by Polish contractors.

I think you you'll find that there are pandas in a Scottish zoo, and we are trying to ween it off bamboo and feed them a chippy form the local chip shop.

Just remember the last ones died when you fed them fried mars bars.

Hey hey it was just the one, and now thanks to the weather and fried food there becoming hardy than ever before, if you ask me bring all the pandas to Scotland we'll have them fighting fit and ready to breed in no time.

Japanese culture seems to be gaining a lot of strength and momentum in our culture.

Then there are our cartoons, i've noticed a growing number of them are aping the anime style, with an american twist, as Anime is far more popular (as far as I am aware) than conventional american animation.

Funny, I am quite certain the same thing was said about Western culture in Japan from 1945 on, considering for example the style development of Manga/Anime which was influenced/inspired by American comics. Even today, some traditionalist writers and literary scholars consider Haruki Murakami to be "too western-ish" for example. Cultural exchange happens constantly. If you were to look at the history of Karate or Kung Fu... or Impressionism. :)

Also, considering Japanese culture is dying over there it's probably good that it will be preserved in a grotesquely westernised joke version.

Well, define "dying" and define "culture". I'd say Japanese traditions are being kept alive pretty well compared to other traditions/cultures.

Wait wait...We have culture in the US?
And here I thought it was just reality TV shows, political punditry and Facebook.

To be fair to yanks ;), even though there quite certainly is a lack of a deeply rooted "intellectual" or folkish culture, some things that are rooted in American "culture", which are now widespread over the world (or at least Europe) just can't be imagined away. :)

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