Incest

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For a starting definition so there's no confusion

Definition of incest
noun
sexual relations between people classed as being too closely related to marry each other.
Origin:
Middle English: from Latin incestus, incestum 'unchastity, incest', from in- 'not' + castus 'chaste'

It's from the Oxford Dictionary.

For discussion:

-Is incest morally wrong?
-In the case of no possible offspring?
-With offspring?

-Should incest be legally banned?
-Does the act of incest disgust you?

This thread is going to end well.

seydaman:
-Is incest morally wrong?

Nope.

-Should incest be legally banned?

Nope.

-Does the act of incest disgust you?

Yeah but provided no one is getting hurt it is none of my business.

I'm pretty liberal when it comes to this sort of stuff.

Looks like the thread is ending wonderfully. Good show, chaps.

Milk:
This thread is going to end well.

seydaman:
-Is incest morally wrong?

Nope.

-Should incest be legally banned?

Nope.

-Does the act of incest disgust you?

Yeah but provided no one is getting hurt it is none of my business.

I'm pretty liberal when it comes to this sort of stuff.

This is my view as well. Though from a medical standpoint, I would recommend genetic counselling for heterosexual couples who might run the risk of being pregnant, just as it is recommended for couples who have a risk of passing on genetic conditions on their offspring.

This... is probably the most unusual thread I have seen in a looooong time. I mean, Bam! The title was straight to the point, even.

OT: I'm pretty neutral on the subject. As long as it's consensual and no specific genetic lineage is being created by it (if heterosexual relations is present)... do whatever gets your rocks off.

Something about the idea of screwing your brother/sister/mother/father just seems kinda wrong. That's all I have to say on the matter.

Milk:
This thread is going to end well.

seydaman:
-Is incest morally wrong?

Nope.

-Should incest be legally banned?

Nope.

-Does the act of incest disgust you?

Yeah but provided no one is getting hurt it is none of my business.

I'm pretty liberal when it comes to this sort of stuff.

Agreed entirely.
Although I think that having a child from incest (however close the relation is that is considered statistically dangerous for the child) should certainly be banned.

One of those fun little quirks of human psychology. No one wants to sleep with their own sibling, but just about everyone likes the idea of a threeway with twins. ;)

I say as long as no children are possible, do what you like.

seydaman:
-Is incest morally wrong?

Not really, no. Sex is just sex. It's nothing special, just two bodies together (This does not mean that it can't be something special)

-Should incest be legally banned?

It's a tough one to answer. On grounds of incest, then no. But due to the problems with incestuous conception it is also a problem, especially being that no sexual contraceptives are 100% effective. If two related people want a baby together, something needs to be done to prevent that from happening . I'm not saying it should be banned, just playing devil's advocate.

You also here stories about long lost brothers and sisters who are married with kids before they realise (Can I change the spellchecker on here to U.K English in any way?) anything. I've seen similar stories where random married couple's in-laws have fallen in love and ran off together to be married etc. While they're not blood relatives in any sense, they still fall within the definition of incest. It's just too hard to judge.

To quote Woody Allen: "The heart wants what it wants. There's no logic to those things. You meet someone and you fall in love and that's that."

and to quote him further: "Happy father's day- or as they call it in my family, happy brother-in-law's day"

-Does the act of incest disgust you?

It depends really. At first I want to type 'yes' but then I think "Would I like to see two really fine twins lesbianing it up" - "Yes, yes I would"

Seriously, who's fantasy wasn't the Olsen twins when growing up?

It fucking creeps me the shit out.

But, if two consenting adults want to do boinking, who am I to deny them?

I don't believe it's wrong or should be banned, no. I had a pretty lengthy debate in another thread a short while about this, and it's something I'm set in stone about. As long as they're over their country's legal age, and are consenting, then I am all for it. The issue of incest birth having problems is one I understand, and so I say there is an insanely simple solution: adoption.

As for whether it disgusts me, not really. As long as it isn't forced and both (or more) people involved are all fine with it, then no, it doesn't disgust me. Why would it? Now, if it was a parent abusing his/her 11 year old child, then that disgusts me. But not the former.

And I see no reason for this thread not to be healthy and civil. This is a topic that deserves some discussion.

BathorysGraveland2:
The issue of incest birth having problems is one I understand, and so I say there is an insanely simple solution: adoption.

I'm a little confused at how this would help? The problems with incestuous conception is that many birth defects occur within the baby. Higher death rates, Higher chances of illnesses, deformity and many other genetic problems.

Milk:
This thread is going to end well.

seydaman:
-Is incest morally wrong?

Nope.

-Should incest be legally banned?

Nope.

-Does the act of incest disgust you?

Yeah but provided no one is getting hurt it is none of my business.

I'm pretty liberal when it comes to this sort of stuff.

Hey, look at that, it's everyone's answer to this thread.

Yeah, I think we can just end the thread with this comment, because it's just minor variations of this.

seydaman:
Is incest morally wrong?

It is as morally wrong as killing is; which is to say, this question is meaningless without context. So are the next three, for which reason I will skip them.

seydaman:
Does the act of incest disgust you?

Er...why do you want to know? Are you checking for bias among respondents?

I have no intention to touch my brother or either of my sisters but if someone else feels like that then I have no right to intrude. It's not wrong in any way and most of the reasons people believe it is wrong is bullshit pseudo-science usually propagated by the Church.

In the case of possible offspring, the chances of genetic defects in first generation incestuous children is almost no different from a normal, non related couple. It's only when multiple generations of inbreeding occur that negative traits tend to surface. There's also a chance of positive traits doing the same. Ever heard of selective inbreeding? We've been doing it to dogs for centuries.

Does it disgust me? Yes and no. I find the thought of sexual relations with my own siblings disgusting but I have no strong reaction to other people being in that kind of relationship. If it's what they want then that's their prerogative.

Bug MuIdoon:

BathorysGraveland2:
The issue of incest birth having problems is one I understand, and so I say there is an insanely simple solution: adoption.

I'm a little confused at how this would help? The problems with incestuous conception is that many birth defects occur within the baby. Higher death rates, Higher chances of illnesses, deformity and many other genetic problems.

Umm, I believe he suggests the couple adopts, rather than risk exactly what you described. I'm a bit confused why you described the problems they won't face and were confused by that.

OT: I'm pretty lax on the matter, I suppose, I never thought of it as a huge deal.

seydaman:
-Is incest morally wrong?

I suppose it depends on the morals. As I said, the idea of incest doesn't bother me/

seydaman:
-In the case of no possible offspring?

Yeah, I think it's fine.

seydaman:
-With offspring?

That's different, I'd say the couple needs to consult a doctor of some kind and think about it really well. And as was suggested, adoption is an option.

seydaman:
-Should incest be legally banned?

OK, I can see a reason, namely the offspring, but I am not really sure, to be honest. I don't think I can answer this one.

seydaman:
-Does the act of incest disgust you?

No. As far as I'm concerned, people should be free to do whatever.

Bug MuIdoon:
I'm a little confused at how this would help? The problems with incestuous conception is that many birth defects occur within the baby. Higher death rates, Higher chances of illnesses, deformity and many other genetic problems.

Adoption means an incest couple wouldn't need to have their own baby in the first place, completely overriding those problems you mentioned.

I think it's fucking creepy as all hell and just gives me the heebie jeebies.

However, as much as I think it's gross I'm not gonna stop consenting adults doing.... things.... in the bedroom.

People are weird and kinky creatures, and the less I know about their late night extra-special activities the happier I am.

Bug MuIdoon:
But due to the problems with incestuous conception it is also a problem, especially being that no sexual contraceptives are 100% effective. If two related people want a baby together, something needs to be done to prevent that from happening

Um, there are plenty of other cases where a couple is almost guaranteed to have a child with terrible genetic conditions. We do not prevent them from having children. We recommend genetic counselling, which informs them of the risks they are undertaking and what official medical recommendations are.

If having a child with genetic conditions was such a horrible event that absolutely needed to be prevented from happening, we would perform automatic abortions (or induced labour and subsequent infanticide) on any pregnant woman whose child turned up positive on congenital birth defects or genetic conditions screenings.

Please don't let this turn into the new trend for threads Please don't let this turn into the new trend for threads Please don't let this turn into the new trend for threads.

I don't condemn those who do it consensually however I'm not exactly gonna cheer em on either :P

While I do find the idea pretty disgusting,the same could be said for a number of the many,many, many different fetishes,so.... Just don't have kids I suppose,that just seems like another big can of worms.

1. Have I noticed I have an attractive cousin? Yes.
2. Do I want to bone her? Society would shun me forever, not worth it.

BathorysGraveland2:

Adoption means an incest couple wouldn't need to have their own baby in the first place, completely overriding those problems you mentioned.

ahh, makes more sense :] I read it as 'to put the baby up for adoption', never mind. Though it still doesn't stop the possibility of accidental births

Darken12:

Um, there are plenty of other cases where a couple is almost guaranteed to have a child with terrible genetic conditions. We do not prevent them from having children. We recommend genetic counselling, which informs them of the risks they are undertaking and what official medical recommendations are.

If having a child with genetic conditions was such a horrible event that absolutely needed to be prevented from happening, we would perform automatic abortions (or induced labour and subsequent infanticide) on any pregnant woman whose child turned up positive on congenital birth defects or genetic conditions screenings.

You missed the part where I stated that it wasn't my opinion, just playing the devils advocate, but that's cool.

I have to admit though, in light of your post, couples who go ahead fully knowing they will have a child with genetic implications is, in my opinion, incredibly wrong and borders on abuse. But that's a different topic, as is the whole abortion debate which you mentioned.

DoPo:

I'm a bit confused why you described the problems they won't face and were confused by that.

Pardon? They are factors that occur due to incestuous breeding among humans. I think we have the wrong end of each others stick or something, ha ha. I read his post differently than he meant (see above)

Bug MuIdoon:
ahh, makes more sense :] I read it as 'to put the baby up for adoption', never mind. Though it still doesn't stop the possibility of accidental births

There are accidental births in many cases, in completely normal relationships. As another poster mentioned, there are also cases where a normal couple are almost guaranteed by doctors that a birth by them will be flawed.

TheYellowCellPhone:

Milk:
This thread is going to end well.

seydaman:
-Is incest morally wrong?

Nope.

-Should incest be legally banned?

Nope.

I'm pretty liberal when it comes to this sort of stuff.

Hey, look at that, it's everyone's answer to this thread.

Yeah, I think we can just end the thread with this comment, because it's just minor variations of this.

Yeppers, pretty much this. Although I'd like to contribute something I recently learned: Albert Einstein married his first cousin. I'm not sure if this is generally known, but I just learned about it so...

Bug MuIdoon:
You missed the part where I stated that it wasn't my opinion, just playing the devils advocate, but that's cool.

I have to admit though, in light of your post, couples who go ahead fully knowing they will have a child with genetic implications is, in my opinion, incredibly wrong and borders on abuse. But that's a different topic, as is the whole abortion debate which you mentioned.

My bad!

The moment you start regulating a person's reproductive freedom is the moment you jump down the slippery slope towards eugenics and other similarly nasty things. We have to educate people and then trust they will do the right thing. That's the entire point of genetic counselling. It's a lot better to discuss this sort of thing in the open and non-judgementally, while providing access to contraceptives if they so desire.

So long as you're not inbreeding for multiple consecutive generations,[1] I really don't give a shit.

[1] Which is highly unlikely given the nature of humanities aversion of incest.

Meaning of Karma:
So long as you're not inbreeding for multiple generations, I really don't give a shit.

The main reason it shouldn't be done, really. Once you decide a thing like that is acceptable once, anyone can go at it and limit the branches of the family tree. Before you know it, it's House of Usher time.

seydaman:
-Is incest morally wrong?

-In the case of no possible offspring?

-With offspring?

Assuming the involved parties are consenting to the act, I say no... Albeit begrudgingly.

seydaman:
-Should incest be legally banned?

Again, I say no, but only begrudgingly.

seydaman:
-Does the act of incest disgust you?

To the deepest depths of my very being, but I believe in equal rights for any and all... Which happens to include the (literal) mother fuckers, therefore it'd be quite hypocritical of me to demand rights for teh gays and lezbins but not people that engage in incest, much as I dislike it.

well incest is a game the whole family can play and is that not what many religious nuts want, family entertainment ?

on a more serious note i see no problems at all for first generation however after a few generations there could be issues with bad genes cropping up more often than is ideal though with modern genetic screening and or some advancements in the field that issue may well be mitigated to a point where it is moot

I'm not endorsing incest. That said....

Darken12:

This is my view as well. Though from a medical standpoint, I would recommend genetic counselling for heterosexual couples who might run the risk of being pregnant, just as it is recommended for couples who have a risk of passing on genetic conditions on their offspring.

The odds of genetic defects are lower than in a woman in her 40s (with any partner), so I hope you're going to apply that evenly. It takes a history of incest to run the risk of "flipper babies," as they're commonly called.

Incest is subject to a lot of taboo and hyperbole and such because it's "gross." And I agree with the "gross" part, though that's a personal assessment. I just disagree with excuses for banning something which isn't all that inherently harmful or dangerous.

Now, I'm more concerned about certain relationships, such as parent/child because of the inherent influence that exists. And honestly, I'm...Not sure what to do about that.

This takes me back! My very first post on this website was on a topic just like this. I pretty much said the same thing as Milk.

Bug MuIdoon:

You missed the part where I stated that it wasn't my opinion, just playing the devils advocate, but that's cool.

He didn't condemn the poster, he condemned the logic. And the logic is still broken and horrible.

And no, I did not miss the part where you said that, in light of his post, yada yada...I'm just pointing out that addressing poor logic is the same whether addressing a genuinely held opinion OR a DA-stated opinion.

And that's my point here.

Zachary Amaranth:

Darken12:

This is my view as well. Though from a medical standpoint, I would recommend genetic counselling for heterosexual couples who might run the risk of being pregnant, just as it is recommended for couples who have a risk of passing on genetic conditions on their offspring.

The odds of genetic defects are lower than in a woman in her 40s (with any partner), so I hope you're going to apply that evenly. It takes a history of incest to run the risk of "flipper babies," as they're commonly called.

Of course, I have been trained to aid in giving genetic counselling for many different kinds of patients. From people with specific genetic conditions to those above a certain age (such as the case you mention) to those with a family history of genetic conditions to other risky cases, there is actually a significant number of couples who ought to be given genetic counselling. It's just not a very widespread practice.

I believe everyone has the right to their pursuit of happiness as long as it doesn't stop anothers. So I have no problem with just sex or anything, but it's proven that conception between closely related people doesn't give child enough genetic diversity and that can lead to a lot of problems for the childs life. And that will infringe upon his/her happiness. Of course he/she would have never existed if they hadn't conceived. It's a very strange area in my view of how the world should work.

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