The Racism Card

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Once again, something really weird and/or reprehensible has happened in Texas. I found this looking for a current event for my Pedagogy class. I'll let the headline speak for itself.

"Texas teacher claims she couldn't have fondled black student because she's racist."

Yep, her entire defense so far is that she is simply far too racist to have touched a 6-year-old black girl. I suspect this won't work out too well for her. It should go at least as well as, "I couldn't have killed her, your honor! I'm a misogynist and don't associate with women!"

Sorry to my fellow Texans since this will almost surely start up some state bashing, but I figured it may as well be me to break this.

Source:http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/17/texas-teacher-claims-she-couldnt-have-fondled-black-student-because-shes-racist/

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I have no idea how anyone can think that is in any way going to help them.

Furbyz:

It should go at least as well as, "I couldn't have killed her, your honor! I'm a misogynist and don't associate with women!"

You know you might joke but that might work in Idaho. I'm kidding, sort of.

More on topic. I don't see how this is going to help her. All it dose is give someone ammo to attack you with.

Actually it makes sense. You deny a greater crime by admitting to something else terrible. You say something you'd never otherwise admit, to prove to everyone else your innocence.

Not that any smart juror will buy it, but a dumb one might... And that's all it takes.

R.Nevermore:
Actually it makes sense. You deny a greater crime by admitting to something else terrible. You say something you'd never otherwise admit, to prove to everyone else your innocence.

Not that any smart juror will buy it, but a dumb one might... And that's all it takes.

And you know texas ... So it just might work . Someone file this under , " it's so stupid , it just might work ".

OT: i really hope this doesn't work . Imagine the consequences . The next guy to go to court for rape might just say he's gay in hopes to get off scott free .

Edit: i just realised , this confirms my prejudice about texans being racist . I'm black and i recall ( at least in canada ) that a lot of black people wouldn't dare set foot in Texas out of pure fear . Now i'm sure not all of the things people say about texas is true , but i'm sure as hell not going to set foot there to find out .

krazykidd:

R.Nevermore:
Actually it makes sense. You deny a greater crime by admitting to something else terrible. You say something you'd never otherwise admit, to prove to everyone else your innocence.

Not that any smart juror will buy it, but a dumb one might... And that's all it takes.

And you know texas ... So it just might work . Someone file this under , " it's so stupid , it just might work ".

OT: i really hope this doesn't work . Imagine the consequences . The next guy to go to court for rape might just say he's gay in hopes to get off scott free .

Edit: i just realised , this confirms my prejudice about texans being racist . I'm black and i recall ( at least in canada ) that a lot of black people wouldn't dare set foot in Texas out of pure fear . Now i'm sure not all of the things people say about texas is true , but i'm sure as hell not going to set foot there to find out .

So racist = (or comparable to) homosexual?

R.Nevermore:
Actually it makes sense. You deny a greater crime by admitting to something else terrible. You say something you'd never otherwise admit, to prove to everyone else your innocence.

Not that any smart juror will buy it, but a dumb one might... And that's all it takes.

Except, well... Back in slave times, when a rich white slave owner denied fathering mulatto children....

krazykidd:

R.Nevermore:
Actually it makes sense. You deny a greater crime by admitting to something else terrible. You say something you'd never otherwise admit, to prove to everyone else your innocence.

Not that any smart juror will buy it, but a dumb one might... And that's all it takes.

And you know texas ... So it just might work . Someone file this under , " it's so stupid , it just might work ".

OT: i really hope this doesn't work . Imagine the consequences . The next guy to go to court for rape might just say he's gay in hopes to get off scott free .

Edit: i just realised , this confirms my prejudice about texans being racist . I'm black and i recall ( at least in canada ) that a lot of black people wouldn't dare set foot in Texas out of pure fear . Now i'm sure not all of the things people say about texas is true , but i'm sure as hell not going to set foot there to find out .

I DO know Texas. You apparently do not. Having moved to Texas from the mid atlantic, I currently live in one of the most diverse, multicultural cities in the North America, and the largest city in US history to elect an openly gay mayor.

Prejudice (noun): 1. an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge.

krazykidd:

Edit: i just realised , this confirms my prejudice about texans being racist . I'm black and i recall ( at least in canada ) that a lot of black people wouldn't dare set foot in Texas out of pure fear . Now i'm sure not all of the things people say about texas is true , but i'm sure as hell not going to set foot there to find out .

Cause we all know the best way to fight prejudice and stereotypes is with MORE prejudice and stereotypes. I'm sure as you say you are black that you would take offense to someone claiming their prejudices about black people were confirmed when they saw a black guy eating watermelon at a KFC or a news story about police catching a criminal who turned out to be black. Please do not perpetuate prejudice and bigotry.

Vanaron:

So racist = (or comparable to) homosexual?

I think the intent of that statement was not that racism=homosexuality but that a similarly stupid defense could be mounted in the case of a crime against a women if the accused claimed to be gay with no other evidence to clear himself of wrong doing.

I feel odd defending a guy on not being a bigot in the same post I accuse him of being a different kind of bigot. I think that is enough to get me to stay away from forums for a while. Good bye

krazykidd:

R.Nevermore:
Actually it makes sense. You deny a greater crime by admitting to something else terrible. You say something you'd never otherwise admit, to prove to everyone else your innocence.

Not that any smart juror will buy it, but a dumb one might... And that's all it takes.

And you know texas ... So it just might work . Someone file this under , " it's so stupid , it just might work ".

OT: i really hope this doesn't work . Imagine the consequences . The next guy to go to court for rape might just say he's gay in hopes to get off scott free .

Edit: i just realised , this confirms my prejudice about texans being racist . I'm black and i recall ( at least in canada ) that a lot of black people wouldn't dare set foot in Texas out of pure fear . Now i'm sure not all of the things people say about texas is true , but i'm sure as hell not going to set foot there to find out .

Well here's the thing, Texas is a big state with a huge population. To put it in context, it is more populous than the entirety of Australia by several million people. While racism does exist throughout the whole state, most of Texas is no worse off than anywhere else in that regard. Most. Vidor, Texas, has absolutely earned its reputation of particularly bad racism. I was actually a little surprised to find this happened in the Houston Metropolitan Area, though with a population density that high, there's bound to be some crazy people.

I really wouldn't suggest making a policy of having one event compounded by hearsay and rumor enough to confirm and entrench prejudice against a large group of people. If everyone operated that way, I'm sure this next article would have confirmed black stereotypes the world over. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57580136-504083/men-pulled-ak-47-over-chicken-order-mixup-memphis-police-say/

Also, no, this will not work as an excuse in Texas. Were you to speak with the average Texan about this, the sentiments would probably trend toward "Never see the light of day again" and "Death Penalty."

Vanaron:

krazykidd:

R.Nevermore:
Actually it makes sense. You deny a greater crime by admitting to something else terrible. You say something you'd never otherwise admit, to prove to everyone else your innocence.

Not that any smart juror will buy it, but a dumb one might... And that's all it takes.

And you know texas ... So it just might work . Someone file this under , " it's so stupid , it just might work ".

OT: i really hope this doesn't work . Imagine the consequences . The next guy to go to court for rape might just say he's gay in hopes to get off scott free .

Edit: i just realised , this confirms my prejudice about texans being racist . I'm black and i recall ( at least in canada ) that a lot of black people wouldn't dare set foot in Texas out of pure fear . Now i'm sure not all of the things people say about texas is true , but i'm sure as hell not going to set foot there to find out .

So racist = (or comparable to) homosexual?

The nimrod is saying that she wouldn't touch a black person because black people are eww, so therefore she didn't bugger this child whom happened to be black. Its stupid either way.

Yeah, being racist doesn't preclude sexual attraction. In fact, when sexuality and racism intersect, "attraction" is best described as "obsession": Asian fetishism, Interracial porn and Mandingo parties (both of which are very popular in the former Confederacy), the spike in demand of Arab porn after 9/11. . . .

Texas...just...Texas.
Uck.

OT:
I find it rather funny, if sad, to see this 'defense'.

I can't WAIT till white people are the minority and start using Affirmative Action and 'The Race Card' to help themselves out.
-Wonder how hard the NAACP will shat themselves.

Acquitted of a crime, only to be fired for the very thing that set you free.

Nobody pointed out that while it's illegal to molest a student, it's not illegal to be a racist. So this makes sense legally, and only legally, in that she's claiming she didn't commit a crime by copping to something that's not illegal. She's still going to get fired, ostracized, and everything else that comes with being a racist though.

nepheleim:
Nobody pointed out that while it's illegal to molest a student, it's not illegal to be a racist. So this makes sense legally, and only legally, in that she's claiming she didn't commit a crime by copping to something that's not illegal. She's still going to get fired, ostracized, and everything else that comes with being a racist though.

Very true...but then, is being a racist going to get you in that much hot water? It's not like it's rare.

Silly Texans! When will you ever learn!? Lolololololol.

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Sorry, I'm an Oklahoman. We're obligated to make fun of Texas any chance we get, even if we know it's not justified.

Texas is actually a great state with an unfortunate reputation for crazy conservatives that, thanks to the sheer size of the state, always manage to pop up. I'd say it's actually the most liberal state in the South.

If you think Texas is bad, you should see the shit my state tries to pull. Look up Sally Kern.

I'm sorry in advance.

Is admitting to racism grounds for immediate dismissal from a teaching post/teacher's union in Texas/US? Or at least cause for suspension from active duties? Someone in texas know?

And i lived with a white supremacist/neo-nazi (briefly.. also im canadien.. yah they make racists in canada too >.<), i can more or less say that in their heads that's actually a legitimate point.

MPerce:
Silly Texans! When will you ever learn!? Lolololololol.

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Sorry, I'm an Oklahoman. We're obligated to make fun of Texas any chance we get, even if we know it's not justified.

Texas is actually a great state with an unfortunate reputation for crazy conservatives that, thanks to the sheer size of the state, always manage to pop up. I'd say it's actually the most liberal state in the South.

If you think Texas is bad, you should see the shit my state tries to pull. Look up Sally Kern.

I'm sorry in advance.

I shouldn't have looked it up,I knew as I did it it would upset me. Just...I honestly don't know what to say,just....ugh.

*Edit* Yeah.... Isin't this teacher kinda f'd either way now? Either she goes to jail,or she loses her job, right? Even if she didn't molest the kid,please tell me she can't admit to racism and keep her job as a teacher...

I would rather lose my job for being racist than be convicted of the "ultimate crime" of child molestation. At the moment the entire case is a "she said, she said" of a 7 year old accusing a 61 year old of doing something.

As much as I would hate the teacher to get away with it if she did it I would hate it even more if she was convicted for something she didn't do.

MPerce:
Silly Texans! When will you ever learn!? Lolololololol.

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Sorry, I'm an Oklahoman. We're obligated to make fun of Texas any chance we get, even if we know it's not justified.

Texas is actually a great state with an unfortunate reputation for crazy conservatives that, thanks to the sheer size of the state, always manage to pop up. I'd say it's actually the most liberal state in the South.

If you think Texas is bad, you should see the shit my state tries to pull. Look up Sally Kern.

I'm sorry in advance.

As a fellow Oklahoman I must say I disagree with your assessment that Texas doesn't deserve the shit they get.

I'll give them credit for this though they make us look better in comparison most days. Well that and they can actually keep a highway in decent shape.

Fluffythepoo:
Is admitting to racism grounds for immediate dismissal from a teaching post/teacher's union in Texas/US? Or at least cause for suspension from active duties? Someone in texas know?

And i lived with a white supremacist/neo-nazi (briefly.. also im canadien.. yah they make racists in canada too >.<), i can more or less say that in their heads that's actually a legitimate point.

I think a suspension would be in order while their teaching career is examined.

Racists come in all levels of attitude, there are racists who really dislike a race, but can still be cordial and treat them with proper respect in public but disdain them in private to those who will lash out whenever they get the chance like the KKK.

She would likely lose her job either way though, even if she was acquitted of the crime. They wouldnt even want someone accused of the crime on their payroll.

Gregory McMillan:

R.Nevermore:
Actually it makes sense. You deny a greater crime by admitting to something else terrible. You say something you'd never otherwise admit, to prove to everyone else your innocence.

Not that any smart juror will buy it, but a dumb one might... And that's all it takes.

Except, well... Back in slave times, when a rich white slave owner denied fathering mulatto children....

True, but because of the rights differences, they often got away with that. In our more equal society, no smart judge would let that slide.

And slave owners still always raped their slaves, racist or not.

Well to be fair, to me it seems like such a stupid defence that someone who was desperate or otherwise felt that their innocence was not solid wouldn't risk using it. As in you would think of something smarter if you thought you actually had to depend on it. But that's like going full circle and then some, at the more basic level maybe the person is an idiot and thought that alone was a reasonable point to make.

krazykidd:

R.Nevermore:
Actually it makes sense. You deny a greater crime by admitting to something else terrible. You say something you'd never otherwise admit, to prove to everyone else your innocence.

Not that any smart juror will buy it, but a dumb one might... And that's all it takes.

And you know texas ... So it just might work . Someone file this under , " it's so stupid , it just might work ".

OT: i really hope this doesn't work . Imagine the consequences . The next guy to go to court for rape might just say he's gay in hopes to get off scott free .

Edit: i just realised , this confirms my prejudice about texans being racist . I'm black and i recall ( at least in canada ) that a lot of black people wouldn't dare set foot in Texas out of pure fear . Now i'm sure not all of the things people say about texas is true , but i'm sure as hell not going to set foot there to find out .

Texas isn't too bad really, it's the states around Texas you need to watch out for. Like a town in Georgia that still has segregated proms because mixing races is all icky I guess.

OT: Yeah I doubt that defense will work, either way she loses her job because I doubt a school will keep employing a teacher who publicly admitted to being so racist they'd refuse to go near any black students.

It would seem a lot of people didn't read the article because she was placed on administrative leave immediately after the complaint was filed and an investigation was begun. As a result of the investigation, she has already been fired.

krazykidd:

R.Nevermore:
Actually it makes sense. You deny a greater crime by admitting to something else terrible. You say something you'd never otherwise admit, to prove to everyone else your innocence.

Not that any smart juror will buy it, but a dumb one might... And that's all it takes.

And you know texas ... So it just might work . Someone file this under , " it's so stupid , it just might work ".

OT: i really hope this doesn't work . Imagine the consequences . The next guy to go to court for rape might just say he's gay in hopes to get off scott free .

Edit: i just realised , this confirms my prejudice about texans being racist . I'm black and i recall ( at least in canada ) that a lot of black people wouldn't dare set foot in Texas out of pure fear . Now i'm sure not all of the things people say about texas is true , but i'm sure as hell not going to set foot there to find out .

I'm not black, but I've gotten much of the same impression as you. Taking into account what other posters are telling you, I'm just going to assume that Texas has a population that doesn't do a very good job of policing themselves. I'm from Seattle, and if you even breathe a word that could be taken as racist by some one else, you will be told to cut it out. Honestly, I think it's too far in the other direction, but it's still a good thing, because I've grown up with racism being nothing more than a dark joke you tell your friends than an actual force of unwarranted hate.

DJjaffacake:
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I... yeah I think this sums up my reaction about perfectly.

All it takes is a claim for the school to drop you. She's already lost her job and possibly the employment of anywhere else. At this point, I can see reaching for straws. She probably already talked to a lawyer and the lawyer probably already told her it might help. Maybe she's trying to build up a case, no matter what it takes because no-one wants to be imprisoned from a 'he said, she said' case.

know whats better than the racist card?

The racist door.

This reminds me of how Crassus got out of the charge of trying to screw a Vestal Virgin by claiming he was only after her property the whole time.

But yeah her career is effectively over now so at this point its pleading to a lesser charge to avoid a more severe social stigma.

krazykidd:

R.Nevermore:
Actually it makes sense. You deny a greater crime by admitting to something else terrible. You say something you'd never otherwise admit, to prove to everyone else your innocence.

Not that any smart juror will buy it, but a dumb one might... And that's all it takes.

And you know texas ... So it just might work . Someone file this under , " it's so stupid , it just might work ".

OT: i really hope this doesn't work . Imagine the consequences . The next guy to go to court for rape might just say he's gay in hopes to get off scott free .

Edit: i just realised , this confirms my prejudice about texans being racist . I'm black and i recall ( at least in canada ) that a lot of black people wouldn't dare set foot in Texas out of pure fear . Now i'm sure not all of the things people say about texas is true , but i'm sure as hell not going to set foot there to find out .

Black's won't set in Texas out of fear of racism? What they'll think they would get shot or something? Stupid motherfucker's, that shit won't happen unless you go towards the shittiest neighborhoods, which would mean going towards a black neighborhood. Take it from a Black American, you have nothing to fear from white America, at the worst you'll get called a nigger, the rare types will kill your ass because your black. On the other hand, 5% of Americans happen to get majority of the homicides, and they are black, take note black america is 13%, no one can't do shit because of the race card. Funny as fuck and sad at the same time, but mostly funny, might be why I like conservatives on race politics than liberals. Also be careful of political correctness, if you are called urban or youth, that is PC for nigger. But yeah come on down to Texas, seems fun.

Magenera:

krazykidd:

R.Nevermore:
Actually it makes sense. You deny a greater crime by admitting to something else terrible. You say something you'd never otherwise admit, to prove to everyone else your innocence.

Not that any smart juror will buy it, but a dumb one might... And that's all it takes.

And you know texas ... So it just might work . Someone file this under , " it's so stupid , it just might work ".

OT: i really hope this doesn't work . Imagine the consequences . The next guy to go to court for rape might just say he's gay in hopes to get off scott free .

Edit: i just realised , this confirms my prejudice about texans being racist . I'm black and i recall ( at least in canada ) that a lot of black people wouldn't dare set foot in Texas out of pure fear . Now i'm sure not all of the things people say about texas is true , but i'm sure as hell not going to set foot there to find out .

Black's won't set in Texas out of fear of racism? What they'll think they would get shot or something? Stupid motherfucker's, that shit won't happen unless you go towards the shittiest neighborhoods, which would mean going towards a black neighborhood. Take it from a Black American, you have nothing to fear from white America, at the worst you'll get called a nigger, the rare types will kill your ass because your black. On the other hand, 5% of Americans happen to get majority of the homicides, and they are black, take note black america is 13%, no one can't do shit because of the race card. Funny as fuck and sad at the same time, but mostly funny, might be why I like conservatives on race politics than liberals. Also be careful of political correctness, if you are called urban or youth, that is PC for nigger. But yeah come on down to Texas, seems fun.

Aaaand , this is why i won't step foot inthe US . The worst case scenerio of yours is bad enough for me .

krazykidd:

Magenera:

krazykidd:

And you know texas ... So it just might work . Someone file this under , " it's so stupid , it just might work ".

OT: i really hope this doesn't work . Imagine the consequences . The next guy to go to court for rape might just say he's gay in hopes to get off scott free .

Edit: i just realised , this confirms my prejudice about texans being racist . I'm black and i recall ( at least in canada ) that a lot of black people wouldn't dare set foot in Texas out of pure fear . Now i'm sure not all of the things people say about texas is true , but i'm sure as hell not going to set foot there to find out .

Black's won't set in Texas out of fear of racism? What they'll think they would get shot or something? Stupid motherfucker's, that shit won't happen unless you go towards the shittiest neighborhoods, which would mean going towards a black neighborhood. Take it from a Black American, you have nothing to fear from white America, at the worst you'll get called a nigger, the rare types will kill your ass because your black. On the other hand, 5% of Americans happen to get majority of the homicides, and they are black, take note black america is 13%, no one can't do shit because of the race card. Funny as fuck and sad at the same time, but mostly funny, might be why I like conservatives on race politics than liberals. Also be careful of political correctness, if you are called urban or youth, that is PC for nigger. But yeah come on down to Texas, seems fun.

Aaaand , this is why i won't step foot inthe US . The worst case scenerio of yours is bad enough for me .

You won't step foot in America cause black's or white's? Cause I got called a nigger once in the deep south, and my ass is still fine, very rare for white to kill base on race. Most of that shit is media making it a big deal. Or is it black America, which I would say stay in white neighborhoods and enjoy your crime rate to the rest of the western world. I can't really tell. :D

thaluikhain:

nepheleim:
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Very true...but then, is being a racist going to get you in that much hot water? It's not like it's rare.

That's called projection. Generally speaking, people are too busy just making it through each day to bother with a systematic hate or oppression of an entire people. On the other side of that coin, comments like yours suggest a more casual racism, and that's a personal problem I am unable to help you with.

And yes, being "outed" (I can't think of a proper term: Revealed, discovered?) as a racist will severely limit things like job applications, jury selection, court-room testimony (which is why police jobs honestly try to keep from hiring klan members in larger cities)and other non-criminal things as such. What you won't do is go to jail for it. Freedom of Speech still exists, somewhat.

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