Rampant nerd fanboyism you want to beat with a stick.

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BarelyAudible:
Transformers and Power Rangers fans who only love G1/Mighty Morphin' and treat the rest as suckyshowsforbabiesthatdon'tevenexist.

God yes, add to that Ninja Turtles fans. I love the turtles in all their incarnations (well okay not the Next Mutation, but no franchise is perfect), but every single version does not have to be loyal to the Fred Wolfman cartoon. Especially when as a cartoon it wasn't even particularly good. (For the record the IDW series is my fave, not that it makes me spit on the Nickelodean or 4Kids versions which are both excellent!).

Lil devils x:
I think my point has been proven on this very thread that when someone says " anime sucks", Nerd fanbois act accordingly in it's defense. LOL

Not really.

If you had said "Obnoxious anime fanboys irritate me, when they always tell me I am wrong for disliking anime, when I have tried it and still don't like it." then people getting annoyed would be an example of what you describe.

You said "Anime fanbois annoy me because anime sucks. Here is why it sucks [insert reasons here]."

If you replaced anime with absolutely anything else, the reaction would be the same:

"PC fanboys annoy me. PC gaming sucks, the controller is better than the keyboard and mouse combo, they are too expensive and you have to upgrade them all of the time".

"Pop music fanboys annoy me. Pop music sucks, as it's all repetitive and the lyrics are unoriginal. It's even worse as they don't write their own music either".

See my point yet?

Your logic seems to be that fans are annoying because they like something that you don't like, as opposed to their actual behaviour. If you can't see how that might irritate people, then I am not sure what to say.

Metal elitism. I'm a pretty hard guy to anger, but smug bigots spewing shit like "Slipknot aren't metal, they're fucking lame nu metal shite" or "Avenged Sevenfold are emo metalcore for 12 year old girls"..

..those push my buttons. People that think that only certain underground extreme metal acts have the right to fall under the wide category know as metal, those need to be beaten with a stick. No, scratch that; a 400kg tree log.

I don't think I would have answered to this thread a month ago, but thanks to 3.0, I can say that Evangelion fanboys are fucking insurmountable, at least in case of 3.0. If anywhere, their defense for that mess oft boils down to "You just don't get it, you're just dumb" or "Well it's because [insert entire book worth of explanation that requires you to have read 10 extraneous fan theories, read 50 different wiki articles, mapped it all out on a spreadsheet and then shoved it up Roger Corman's nostril to understand]".

I don't hate Evangelion. I really like 2.0 and love the manga. I just hate the way some pretend it to be some holy scripture brought down by Allah, Jesus and Buddha themselves and that they're the only ones who have truly discovered its mysteries. For the record, I actually saw an user review on IMDB claiming that Eva was based on "banned books of the Bible" or some rubbish like that. I tried to find it to show it here, but I couldn't.

It's a show about people trying to sort out their mental issues while fighting giant monsters with giant mechs, simple as that.

Edguy:

..those push my buttons. People that think that only certain underground extreme metal acts have the right to fall under the wide category know as metal, those need to be beaten with a stick. No, scratch that; a 400kg tree log.

This, but with every other music genre out there. I surprisingly cant recall ever seeing this on these forums, but I guess only a minority of the threads here are about music. But I do know a few people how will instantly dismiss certain bands or groups or whatever simply because they are popular or "mainstream" and then go on about only the unknown underground stuff is good. Hipsters, but only for music I guess. I get that there are a ton of unknown people who make great music but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of popular music is great as well.

Vigormortis:

Legion:
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My thoughts exactly.

I second this. Sure fans can be super annoying and write terrible fan fictions and tell you to watch/read something over and over again, but why would you go out of your way to insult these people? Just fucking ignore them. Ignoring people works a lot better then people may think. I don't know how often I was tempted to respond to flamers in LoL/DotA or Starcraft, but in the end ignoring them always works out better.
I must admit that I hate fans that go way to far and make other fans look bad (as descried several post above), but I'm not going to write them hate emails and tell them I want to punch them in the face either....

Probably crazy fangirls/fanboys of anime/video games who go crazy for certain characters... even the bad guys.

Also, the crazy Bronies/Pegasisters who ruin things for the rest of us. Also, did "Cupcakes" really deserve all those edits/"sequels"? NO! May Celestia damn whoever wrote that... thing to the moon... no... the sun!

...What? That's pretty damn serious...

AlexWinter:

Lil devils x:
My irritation is with anime fanbois. I just don't "get it". I have tried to understand why anyone would think this to be tolerable, little lone good, but I just cannot. It is just so awful I cannot understand how it has a fan base. The art isn't good, the high pitched whiny emo characters, the storylines are crap. For the life of me, I just cannot understand how anyone wants to actually watch this, but apparently some people think it is the greatest thing ever. I don't think I will ever understand why. Ever.

I've heard Rebecca Black and Justin Bieber therefore all music is shit.

I've watched Godfather 3 and Spider-man 3 therefore all films are shit.

I've played Other M and Action 52 therefore all games are shit.

I've read Moll Flanders and The Bell Jar therefore all books are shit.

A few = all and I don't understand why anyone would want to read, watch, play or listen to any of that crap.

OT: I don't mind fanboys as long as they don't try and tell me why their thing is better than my thing. People have different opinions and tastes. Why does it matter; just deal with it.

That isn't the same comparison at ALL. I like cartoons, I just do not like Anime. Anime is a particular style of cartoons, and that is the style I do not like. It would be like saying Rap sucks but rock is great. Just because I don't like rap does not mean that I don't like music.

Just because I don't like soap operas does not mean I don't like television.
Just because I don't like Final fantasy games due to their art style does not mean I don't like games.
Just because I don't like romance novels does not eman I don't like books.

There is a difference. Anime is just one crappy subsection of cartoons. I personally love Southpark, but think whoever thought of Cowboy Bebop should have been dropped on their head a couple of more times until they came to their senses. That doesn't mean I don't like cartoons, I just really really don't like those kind of cartoons.

I should not have to defend not liking them, it is a matter of taste. I wouldn't expect someone to explain not liking southpark, Hell if they said " southpark sucks flea infested prosimians." I wouldn't think twice about it. It is the fanboism that makes one think they should care what someone else dislikes. LOL

TizzytheTormentor:

The Wykydtron:
Ok, people who fucking WORSHIP the main character of Persona 3 like he's Mind Jesus or something. He's an unlikable prick and is singlehandedly the WORST thing about the entire game (Including the party AI.) He drags EVERYTHING down, every single other character is amazing (coughAigiscoughChidori/Junpeicoughcough) but he just does not give a single fuck about anything. His conversation options are without fail at least twice as dickish than the choice I would actually like to make. ALL. GAME. LONG.

I also remember Yu having some dickish lines...

Kou: "Will you help clean up?"
Yu: "Be an ass and leave"

Naoto: Will you help me find the culprit behind these mysterious letters?
Yu: "You're on your own"

Yumi: "I love you, but if you reject me, just walk away, I will turn my back, I don't want to see you go..."
Yu: *Leave"

Also one from Golden!
Nanako: "When I think of you big bro, I feel much stronger, like there is strong bond between us, do you feel that way when you think of me big bro?"
Yu: "No"

Oh, you think Minato is an unlikable? Try the accomplice ending in Golden (bash it all you want, it is one hell of an ending, watched it gobsmacked the whole time)

OT: Most shippers, okay, if you hope 2 characters to get together, that's fine, but getting into fights over it is just silly.

No, Yu did have some dick moments but they were few and far between and mostly within the first few hours of the game before the story even remotely gets moving. Minato stays in that Dick Zone from the start and never moves out of it ever.

Basically, Yu tries to distance himself towards the start because he didn't want to make friends in a town he knows for a fact he's only living in for one year. Perfectly understandable reasoning.

Oh but I actually did leave on the Yumi confession... Yeah sorry, I would but me and Chie man... We've got like a thing going on already.

Speaking of hasty girlfriend decisions, I'm continuing a playthrough of Persona 4 that was randomly on my memory card (I was on the boss door in Void Quest and I didn't have the key, hmm wonder why that playthrough ended so abruptly) I was maxing Chie's Link again and I got the prompt that you already have a girlfriend. I was shocked to find out, that in some fit of madness I fucking went out with the chick in the band. WHAT?! WHEN?! WHY?! WHAT DRUGS WAS I ON?!

Minato is just an antisocial loner who never evolves past that archetype in a game REVOLVING AROUND FRIENDSHIP! Man that's bad. Yu gets dickish lines you can ignore at times. Minato gets nothing BUT dick lines forever. Maddening.

Also Labrys and Unit Number Oh Two Four are definitely totally 100% in the Yuri Zone together and I will fight you on the side of the street if you say otherwise >:(

Where is the fan art dammit!

IceForce:
Wait wait wait, ... people are agreeing with this now?

Now don't get me wrong, I also agree with you on haters.
But when I posted in a previous thread a little while back, basically the same as what you've said here, ... instead of people agreeing with me, I got an inbox full of angry quotes telling me that "anyone who uses the term 'haters' non-ironically is an idiot", and "calling people haters is just a way of dismissing legitimate criticism".

That would depend on your definition of a 'hater'. Yahtzee for example gets away with it scot-free, because not only is he funny while doing it, he usually has a point, and he has a genuine love for the medium. Tough love isn't a sign of what I'd consider to be a 'hater'. Au contraire!

A 'hater' is someone who doesn't understand the concept of subjectivity, who fails to realize that their vague criticisms and cheap jabs could be leveled at anything (including their own interests), who believes that the 'fanboys' are objectively wrong in their jubilation. At the same time, 'haters' tend to be just as passionate about something as the 'fanboys' they mock. See the console wars.

You could say that a hater is a fanboy turned to the dark side, their love turned to anger and hate. As we know, hate leads to suffering... So cut that shit out.

Of course there's also the kind of hater who's just a bitter, withered shell of a humanbeing, filled with bile and scorn, but it's not our fault they're incapable of feeling enjoyment.

bartholen:
For the record, I actually saw an user review on IMDB claiming that Eva was based on "banned books of the Bible" or some rubbish like that. I tried to find it to show it here, but I couldn't.

I assume that has something to do with the Dead Sea Scrolls. They actually do exist, and they do contain Biblical texts, but that's pretty much where the similarities with their Evangelion counterparts end.

Lil devils x:
Anime is a particula style of cartoons, and that is the styel I don not like.

No, it's not, and that's why people are taking an issue with your posts. Anime is just a word for Japanese animation.


If all of the above looks the same to you, you should go see a doctor about it. You don't have to like any of them, but when you go and say things like "I don't like anime because it's all ____!" you're just being obtuse.

IceForce:

And That's Terrible:

RTSnab:
Bronies.

Don't really think I need to explain that one, right?

Wow really?

Guy got suspended for saying he hates bronies?

I can't stand them either.

You see someone get suspended for something, and then you go and do the same thing they did?

Not the smartest move.

And That's Terrible:
And no, saying "Maybe I just like to watch the show" isn't some argument. You know why? Cause the people who are watching the show ARE WATCHING THE FUCKING SHOW, not feeling the need to defend it on forums or rub it in the face of everyone else.

Circular logic right there.

They're defending themselves because people like yourself keep attacking them.
If you people stopped attacking them, they wouldn't have to defend themselves on forums and such.

He is "attacking" the guys that have also been "attacked" by every other comment here that mentions bronies. He isnt saying that the show is bad, he isnt saying that watching the show is bad, he is saying that being a douchebag about it and obsess the shit out of it is. Like, the worst kind of bronies are VERY vocal (and those usually talk shit), thats the problem with them, the cool ones are talking about MLP in the apropriatte places and annoying no one.

OT: People that dont give merit to the right things based on their current state.

Call of Duty 1,2 and 4 were amazing and yet if you say that to someone that never played those they will think you are an idiot fanboy.

Pretty much any comic fanboys who hate the film of a comicbook solely because of the change made compared to the source material but the thing is, the film itself is GOOD!!!

Just to be clear, there are times when I am with the hate toward a comicbook film because it had too many changes like e.g. Wolverine (Deadpool was only good at the start of the film and Emma Frost is NOT Silver Fox sister!) but to complaim good comicbook films like X Men: First Class (the rouster from each side were different) and Kick Ass (the ending was different)?

I guess I am willing to overlook the nitpick difference from the source materials if the film itself is good (it can bare its own weight without relying too much from the source as if it need to be 100% accurate to be good).

I guess this can be apply to the recent Star Trek film however I knew little from the original series and films unlike my interest toward comics so I can't really form a fences toward the new film.

excalipoor:

bartholen:
For the record, I actually saw an user review on IMDB claiming that Eva was based on "banned books of the Bible" or some rubbish like that. I tried to find it to show it here, but I couldn't.

I assume that has something to do with the Dead Sea Scrolls. They actually do exist, and they do contain Biblical texts, but that's pretty much where the similarities with their Evangelion counterparts end.

From what I can remember of that review, the implication was that the banned parts were actually the basis for the story and world, instead of the DSScrolls being just a plot element.

Lil devils x:

That is the thing, most people completely like something that others find disgusting. I personally like fresh broccoli and am perfectly okay with the fact that others might find that repulsive. That is the difference between fanboism and just liking something. I do not feel any need to convince others to like something. I do not feel any need to defend my liking broccoli. But the minute you tell someone you think anime is as repulsive as dog poo, they feel a need to defend it as can be seen in this very thread. It isn't my words that are the problem here, as most do not think twice when someone says "eww eating bugs is gross!" while others in India, for example, think it is a great treat!

Anime to me is no different than some people enjoy eating bugs. What is there to discuss? If someone doesn't like something, that should be fine. No one should try to convince them to like something they do not like. It is only " rampant nerd fanboism" that makes one wish to defend something like that. I think my point has been proven on this very thread that when someone says " anime sucks", Nerd fanbois act accordingly in it's defense. LOL

I avoid Anime threads for a very good reason. I don't seek out confrontations with Anime fanbois, they are entitled to like what they like, I just don't want to see it, so they need to stop trying to make me. :)

So yes, I would like to beat Anime fanboism with a stick. Is that really so bad?

EDIT: It is funny though that if someone says " eww eating bugs is gross!" they are not labled a "hater" but if they say" eww Anime is gross!" they are.

No, that is not the thing. You did not say you dislike anime or that you dislike people who watch anime. Nobody on this forum would have a big problem with that. What you did is you went out of your way to try and prove that anime are crap and that nobody in their right mind should watch them. You just named yourself the judge, jury and executioner of what is good and what is not in this world.

You keep generalizing by using the term anime fanboys. Anime series have alot of different art styles, different themes, different stories, different characters... and some people like one style but hate another. So there is no such thing as an anime fanboy. That's like saying music fanboy or movie fanboy.

As for you food comparison, tell me this. If you see someone coming out of a pizza place and you go up to them on the street and start being all like: << Ewww pizza, it's so disgusting and bad, all the ingredients are crap, for the life of me, I just cannot understand how anyone wants to actually eat that. What is wrong with you? How can you like it? >>, do you really believe that if they liked pizza they would not be offended? or at least annoyed?

So people do not have a problem with the fact that you mentioned anime. What people have a problem with is that fact that you make ignorant and offensive statements and try to disguise them as opinions.

And when someone tries to explain to you why your statement is wrong you just dismiss them as fanboys and go on insulting them.

Agreed on Boba Fett. The character was cool as a background distraction, but by giving him a backstory in ep II and resurrecting him in the Expanded Universe it feels like such obvious fanservice/catering it's revolting.

Also agreed on bronies. Mostly because I can't see any of the redeeming values they go on and on about. "The animation", "the jokes", "the characters"... look, I've seen some of the show. The animation is type Flash 101, on par with pop-up ads. The jokes are sitcom trash. The characters are '80s high-school movie stereotypes - the every(wo)man, the tomboy, the smug bitch... again, I'm not saying it's awful, just another mediocre, standard-issue show and I can't for the life of me figure out why anybody would follow it. Supposedly the biggest pro is the friendship message, but don't we get that thing in every kid's show?

And That's Terrible:
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Ooo, edgy.

Now riddle me this: Who's more pathetic? Someone who won't shut up about a girl's cartoon on the Internet, or someone who won't shut up about how the other person won't shut up about a girl's cartoon on the Internet?

OT: Peoples' obsession with the almighty canon can get annoying to me. It's kind of amusing how people will get legitimately enraged at the idea of something going awry in their preferred fictional universe, but when shit goes down in the real world, they just give a shrug and keep on keeping on.

You know...I was going to do a "Top 5 Worst Fans in Any Fandom" list on another forum. But this seems to be a good topic to whip this list out for. Now...I was going to go into more detail with the entries for it, but I'll give you guys the brief version, since all five of these fans need to be retconned out of existance.

NUMBER FIVE: Rule 34-ists

Basically...these are fans that feel that things need to get a little naughty in what they choose to be fans in, even going so far as to write the appropriate AO-Rated fics to do so. Problem is that not everything needs to have smut nor is it appropriate to make smut. I mean, seriously...there's X-Rated BARNEY fanfic out there?!?

Biggest problem with these fans is that they can actually destroy certain fanbases in a way. Ever wonder why Archie doesn't allow any fanfic based on their core Riverdale based franchise? This is why. Too much fic between the main characters which pretty much amounts to multiple cases of statutory rape in fanfic. Definitely something Archie did not want.

NUMBER FOUR: Revivers

No one likes to see a beloved character die. As such some fans will do anything in the multiverse to see the character come back from the beyond, from writing fic which involves various forms of Deus Ex Machina to prevent them from dying to even going so far as to petition the guys who own the IP to bring them back.

The big problem with this is the fact that, from a storytelling standpoint, certain characters must die for the sake of the story. Just like how Aeris's death from FFVII was necessary for that story to work. Yet some fans just won't have it and appear not to care about the story.

NUMBER THREE: Gen One Fans

I can certainly understand that nothing can really beat the feeling of when something is new and exciting and brings something fresh to the table. But that is still no excuse for making fun of the newer items and annoying the living hell out of those who enjoy the new stuff. Obviously, the Pokémon franchise is rife with these idiots...but it's not just limited to that. As BarelyAudible and Nadia Castle pointed out, series like Transformers, Power Rangers, and TMNT also have them.

These fans need to dry up and blow away because these kinds of fans can cause divisions within fandoms. Quite frankly, it disturbs me to think that fans you'd THINK would have a common bond could easily turn on each other over something as inherently stupid as which generation was best. Especially since many such series should be judged on all generations as a whole over the years to see how well they've endured.

NUMBER TWO: Character Bashers

I can certainly understand not liking a certain character. Sometimes all it takes is just some small aspect of the character to not sit well with others. But...does it make ANY sort of sense to ridicule, mock, and wish all matters of pain and misery on them? Even going so far as to write fic where terrible things happen to them? You Bashers DO know you can't actually harm them as they don't exist...right?

These fans disturb me. I mean...if this is what they would do to a fictional character, what the heck would they do to people who piss them off in real life?!? On second thought...I don't wanna know. All I know is that these fans are another type that can cause divisions within fandoms, since some people actually like characters that others hate.

NUMBER ONE: Extreme Shippers

There's nothing wrong with thinking two characters would make a good couple. Heck, as long as the explanation as to why they are a couple makes sense, pretty much ANY pairing you can think of can work. The ones I'm talking about here though...are the ones who feel that ONLY one coupling is right and everyone who disagrees is wrong. Yeah...THOSE kinds of shippers!

The problem with this type of fan is not only the fact that, once again, they can cause divisions within fandoms...but sometimes they will even resort to actions as described in the OTHER FOUR ENTRIES ON THIS LIST! They will bash characters, talk about how they worked in the good old days, bring certain characters back from the dead to make the pairing happen...and may even go straight into Rule 34! All while acting all smug and high and mighty over how well this pairing works.

Well...that's the list in a nutshell, and my two cents/Rupee/Mobiums/Zenny/Gil/etc. on this topic.

CAPTCHA: mumbo jumbo

Sounds like a good description of how many of these fans sound, actually...

The really obnoxious slashfic writers. It's insanely difficult to find any Kingdom Hearts fanfic that does not pair up any nobodies. Those pairings go against the canonical mechanics of the KH universe. Or the fans who say that their fic is better then canon because x characters got together. Or the ones that plain old disrespect the canon that they are fans OF.

GamemasterAnthony:

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Everything you just said.

The people who defend Atlus's treatment of Europe. Yes they are a brilliant company who make fantastic games... however that does not excuse them neglecting an entire market.

Typically people always give it the excuse "Oh they are niche and don't have enough money for an EU branch" well it's not exactly rocket science I mean look at NIS America, a company who are arguably even smaller yet set aside a small portion of staff specifically for EU localization so it can be done. Also kinda funny when you take a minute and think for a second NISA managed to publish Hyperdimensionneptuna in the US and EU.

The other point is about the whole Persona 4: Arena fiasco if that was any other publisher people would not have put up with it, region locking a region free console is simply unacceptable... also screwing over an entire market just so you can save a little bit of money on reverse importing is a major dick move Atlus! Kinda does not help that the EU version took like 9 months to release and nothing changed from the US release.

Just wanted to vent a little so don't get me wrong I really like Atlus it is just frustrating to be an EU Atlus fan and hopefully the deal with NISA means this kinda stuff won't happen anymore.

And That's Terrible:

RTSnab:
Bronies.

Don't really think I need to explain that one, right?

Wow really?

Guy got suspended for saying he hates bronies?

No, he got suspended for not saying anything else but that he doesn't like them. It was the fact that it was low content that got the suspension, not the opinion itself.

These forums are a discussion board, if you ever feel the need to ask "Don't really think I need to explain that one, right?" the answer is yes, because that is how a discussion is created.

If this topic was "What's your favourite program?" and he'd answered:

"My Little Pony.

Don't really think I need to explain that one, right?"

He'd have gotten a suspension for that as well assuming a mod saw it or it was reported. The only difference is people don't tend to report low content posts unless they are negative, and mods can't be everywhere at once. That's why it sometimes seems like people with certain negative opinions appear to be singled out for things such as this.

But it's not the actual reason why.

Tyrant_Valvatorez:
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A decade ago I'd say that those people were right, but now the companies could upload it to a damn website/server and we could download those games, there really is no excuse any more. This goes for all niche entertainment that can be accessed via the internet. The "It's expensive" route is entirely negated due to digital distribution.

GamemasterAnthony:

NUMBER TWO: Character Bashers

I can certainly understand not liking a certain character. Sometimes all it takes is just some small aspect of the character to not sit well with others. But...does it make ANY sort of sense to ridicule, mock, and wish all matters of pain and misery on them? Even going so far as to write fic where terrible things happen to them? You Bashers DO know you can't actually harm them as they don't exist...right?

These fans disturb me. I mean...if this is what they would do to a fictional character, what the heck would they do to people who piss them off in real life?!? On second thought...I don't wanna know. All I know is that these fans are another type that can cause divisions within fandoms, since some people actually like characters that others hate.

This one makes me laugh. Because if you go on over to the Bioware forums they have actually closed the character discussion board for Mass Effect 3 due to how extreme people have gotten over it.

It's insane how intense and serious some people can be over these things.

Johnny Novgorod:
Supposedly the biggest pro is the friendship message, but don't we get that thing in every kid's show?

I don't know... Invader Zim seemed to be about how if aliens were to invade we'd have nothing to fear, as they'd probably be even more stupid than we are.

Obligatory console fanboys answer.

Also, Street Fighter fannboys. I am talking about people that dismiss other fighters without even playing them. Their arguments? Weaboo sh*t, stoopid animu fighter, SF rip-off, etc.
Concerning latter argument: true, many fg franchises started as copies of SF, but blaming them for copying the VERY FIRST fg is like blaming Bioshock devs for ripping of Doom.

And about "animu" argument:
Lemme see...
1)Stoic main characters, that lives only for battle;
2)Arrogant and emotional best friend/rival;
3)Big bad evil guy that wants to conquer the world;
4)Big bad evil guy that lives only to die in battle;
5)pretty boy that loves only himself;
6)TITS EVERYWHERE;
7)Bad storyline
and etc, etc, etc...

OH MY GAWD!!! Street Fighter is shonen animu embodied! Alpha 3 with its anime graphics does not help at all.

Megalodon:
Become? The show's pretty much always been like this, at least the new series (don't know the classics all that well). Two off the top of my head in the 9th Doctor series; Rose's saved Dad killing himself, reversing Rose's actions brings people back to life, and Rose opening the Tardis core to destroy the Daleks in the series finale while bringing Jack (and only him, why not anyone else the Daleks killed?) back to life.

Killing Jack, just to bring him back, was indeed pretty lame, but it's still not a complete "undo everything bad" that's been featured frequently in later series (the Shakespeare Code, Doomsday, Journey's End, and the latest episode to name a few examples).

With Rose and her dad, at least all the mechanics necessary for the conclusion were laid out. It's not quite a "deus ex machina" when the episode revolves around the inevitability of a sad ending, rather than grabbing an (unfeasible) victory from the jaws of the big bad.

Megalodon:
I agree about the soap-opera drama, especially last series (no show, you're not going to kill the Doctor, stop trying to make me think you will). But the "romanticization" hasn't really been a thing since Rose/Martha went away. As far as I'm aware, the classic Doctor never travelled with only a male/elderly companion, and that era isn't accused of romanticizeing the Doctor.

The Doctor himself was frequently elderly, not the geek-chic sex-symbol he now seems to be intended to be. By "romanticizing" the Doctor, I don't mean presenting an on-screen romance; they let the teenage imaginations do the work for them.

Megalodon:
Again, this is show that popularised "reverse the polarity" as a technobabble expalnation/plot fix. This isn't some betrayl that Davies/Moffat have inflicted on a previously plausible Sci-Fi show. It's always been like this.

Looking back over the Ecclestone series, I can't see anything that really qualifies. Perhaps the old series made extensive use of that tired old plot device, in which case, it's not a betrayal, but rather a return to bad form.

Megalodon:
Pendantry first, Amy is dead, that was Clara. Secondly, the episode is less than a week old, you should have probably put this bit in spoiler tags
Otherwise, you're generally right about this, the finale wasn't massively strong, but it was also far the worst I've seen this show inflict.

You're right. That was poor form. I'll go back and edit.

And That's Terrible:

RTSnab:
Bronies.

Don't really think I need to explain that one, right?

Wow really?

Guy got suspended for saying he hates bronies?

I looked up on this, because I agree with you that a suspension for that would be unfair.

He was suspended for Low Content. The reason it was a suspension is because his forum health meter was up to that point. (The punishments get higher each time, if you don't wait long enough for a pardon.)

You can always PM a Mod or visit the Moderation user group if you disagree with someones punishment. Though the best course of action is to encourage them to use the appeals system themselves. Since that's usually what will overturn it.

Silvanus:

Megalodon:
Again, this is show that popularised "reverse the polarity" as a technobabble expalnation/plot fix. This isn't some betrayl that Davies/Moffat have inflicted on a previously plausible Sci-Fi show. It's always been like this.

Looking back over the Ecclestone series, I can't see anything that really qualifies. Perhaps the old series made extensive use of that tired old plot device, in which case, it's not a betrayal, but rather a return to bad form.

Anti-Plastic, from the very first episode? The show's always been firmly on the soft side of Sci-Fi. That said, I think the Ecclestone series is easily the best of the new series, best Doctor, less fan service BS (which really got to be a problem at the end of Tennant's run). Plus the series-spanning metaplot was done with interest and subtlety, which is Moffat's biggest failing since he took over in my view.

excalipoor:
Fanboyism doesn't bother me, but haters do.

I just found a particular breed of fan that does bother me: Welcome to the NHK fans who think that the show encourages hikikomori behavior.

I'm not one to kick people when they're down, but it really isn't something you should be proud of... It's not a fucking lifestyle, it's a complete and total lack of a lifestyle!

ShogunGino:
While I agree that it's the haters that really cause all the poor reputations of fandoms, its the haters disguised as fans that are reason we can't have nice things. Then ones that who seem like they love something so much that it actually manifests as hatred.

I can just go on and on about how much the Star Wars base annoys me. I only know of one, count them, ONE happy fan who claims to be a Star Wars fan. Everyone else has spent the past several years since 1997 never shutting their mouths as to how the special editions and prequels were the worst thing to happen to human decency since the Holocaust.

There was even a recent thread on this site where some dared to say that he thought Midichlorians were an interesting idea, and several of the responses boiled down to 'No. Just no.' One of them, after saying his 'No. Just no.', said that 'You can't take something as beautiful and pure as the Force as reduce it to a case of eugenics.'

...Beautiful and pure?...It's a made-up energy in a made-up universe wielded by made-up characters! You're treating this thing like its a real religion.

And if you dare mention that the patron saint of science fiction, the holiest of holy films, The Empire Strikes Back, may have a few flaws, well, I hope the nearby observers brought some popcorn, 'cuz shits about to like up like its arma-f**king-geddon. I have, actually, seen on more than one site, where some people have called the movie 'flawless'.

I honestly think the 'fans' have turned Empire into the most overrated film in existence. I honestly think that, until Cloud City, Harrison Ford's and Carrie Fischer's performances were just as stiff as Anakin and Padme, with dialog equally poor. Until Cloud City, every other line out of Han Solo's mouth was a whiny complaint. AT-ATs and AT-STs, no matter how iconic, are poorly designed vehicles of war. AT-ATs are top-heavy, have poor mobility, and a narrow cone of fire. AT-STs have better mobility at the cost of again being top-heavy with thin-ass legs that make it easy to trip.

Whenever I actually bring up these opinions around my fellow college students (going to an art school, you can bet your ass I'm in the minority here), a common response to me poking some holes in their precious nostalgia is 'Well, it's still better than the prequels!'.....I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE MOTHERF**KING PREQUELS!!

And why didn't Han Solo, Leia, R2 and C3PO get sucked out into space when they went outside the Falcon when they were in the asteroid worm? No one seems to have an answer for that. I could go on, but its nearly 1 a.m., I'm tired, and I feel like summarizing at the risk of shallow rage.

Despite that I think that 80's media, in general, contains the largest amount of people too attached to their nostalgia, I feel it's the Star Wars 'fans' that come across the worst.

I think they use the original trilogy's critical acclaim to justify why they shouldn't take an objective look at the movies again. Well, they all seem to hate Return of the Jedi for the Ewoks alone, so the first two's acclaim. I think they use RedLetterMedia's (interesting, but assholish and annoying, imo) reviews as justification for their hatred, and you can barely find a thread that has someone saying that they kinda enjoyed the prequels without someone posting a link to them followed by a /thread.

And they won't ever need a reason to stop complaining now that Disney wants to release new Star Wars movies yearly, and they dissolved LucasArts and gave the license to EA. And if there's one thing they do best, is complain.

Y'know, a while ago, I heard one of these 'fans' say, in response to the special editions and prequels that 'no one hates Star Wars more than George Lucas'. I used to think that it was just another douche, but now, I'm actually thinking that's true. If I had 'fans' that did nothing but insult me and blame me for every mistake that the developers of video games based on my IP despite the fact that I had nothing to do with it, I'd probably want to sell off the rights, too.

Wow, I wrote both more and less than I intended. Whatever, I'm sleepy.

are you a female, Cause I love right now.

You just said everything I hate about star wars fans, which seem more like haters nowadays.

Heck I like the prequels more than the originals, yea I said it, and no, no one will ever force me to change that viewpoint.

There's other fandoms that annoy me to no end.

Valve fans are among the second on my list of annoying fandoms. Though there the except opposite of star wars fans (haters) in that the blindly love valve and denounce any criticism and dislike any company but valve.

In fact as a whole gamer culture annoys me.

Lil devils x:

Just because I don't like soap operas does not mean I don't like television.
Just because I don't like Final fantasy games due to their art style does not eman I don;t like games.
Just because I don't like romance novels does not eman I don't like books.

There is a difference. Anime is just one crappy subsection of cartoons. I personally love Southpark, but think whoever thought of Cowboy Bebop should have been dropped on their head a couple of more times until they came to their senses. That doesn't mean I don;t like cartoons, I just really really don't like those kind of cartoons.

I should not have to defend not liking them, it is a matter of taste. I wouldn't expect someone to explain not liking southpark, Hell if they said " southpark sucks flea infested prosimians." I wouldn't think twice about it. It is the fanboism that makes one think they should care what someone else dislikes. LOL

Yeah, this is getting a little ridiculous now.
You've explained that you don't like anime and that you find anime fanboys to be the most irritating form, as asked for by the OP.
As a result of this an argument has gone on for three pages about how you aren't allowed to dismiss anime because you haven't seen every single example of it ever created.
You've explained repeatedly that you are not obliged to justify yourself in not liking something anyway, and that the fanboyism toward anime is what you find irritating, not the fact that other people enjoy it, and yet still they're going on and on about it!
If your original intention was to draw them out and have them prove your claims about them correct then congratulations, you've done that superbly.
I share your sentiment about anime itself and the fanboyism around it, and I also find Western superhero comics to be very similar in that even the "adult" ones have storylines and characterization that are clearly aimed at the level of comprehension of an early teenager.
Doesn't mean that I don't think they should exist or that others are "wrong" for liking them, but the next person who tells me that I'd really like "The Adventures Of Plush-Toy-Man, the man who became an unstoppable hero after a teleportation incident with his murdered daughter's favourite toy gave him the power to see through wooden doors, and who travels America righting wrongs and having painfully awkward and badly-written emotional scenes with a series of improbably loose women." is going to be hospitalized with a sturdy rock.
I don't like comics.
I've not liked them since early childhood.
Stop incessantly recommending them to me when WE HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION A THOUSAND TIMES, AND EVERY TIME I TOLD YOU THAT I DON'T LIKE COMICS! This comic is not "different from all the others" and it's unlikely that I'll like it, so unlikely that I won't waste my time with it, so stop wasting yours on this pointless crusade.

Any fan of any piece of media who ridicules fans of another piece of media because "mine is better". Period.

I'll take that to an extreme:

I'm a fan/player in the World of Darkness franchise. The Masquerade is my favorite flavor of vampire.
I hate the Twilight franchise. I think it's the most utterly stupid depiction of vampirism ever written.

...but if I meet an honest fan of the Twilight series, I will not rub their face in the myriad ways that "my vampires are better than your vampires". If one of my friends starts to do it, I will insult and ridicule that friend for acting like a fucking child.

In essence, that's a side-effect of mob mentality, the unthinking "us vs them" attitude that has held humanity back and caused us to perpetrate atrocity after atrocity throughout our history... and it's the one thing I feel absolutely justified in hating with all of my being.

I don't really have too much of a problem with it. There are some IPs and genres that I just plain don't get people liking at all. But I don't really hate fans. Maybe hardcore sports fans... but that's not really a nerd fan base.

DavidBowieNoReally:

the stuff that people come up with next doesn't even make a lick of sense... and you can only explain it as fan service... ...a lightsaber? He's not a Jedi... stop it already!
Stop!
STOP!

How does this not make sense? Do light sabers have a special evaporate mode that was never explained in any of the movies or ever used in any novel or videogame?

If he killed Jedis why the fuck wouldn't he pick up their lightsabers and consider using them? Seems like a pretty fucking powerful tool to me, even if he can't use the force and deflect lasers with it; it can still cut through pretty much anything.

If you want to complain about something complain about the fact that hes fighting Darth Vader which actually does make no sense. He's a mercenary who has at times yielded lucrative contracts from the empire, also jedis have precognition and have been training with lightsabers their whole lives. So it would make no sense for him to pull a weapon because not only would it hurt his career but choosing a lightsaber specifically is the path that puts him at the most disadvantage. It would be like a marine sniper deciding that instead of fighting at a range using his greatest skill he should instead try to fight an MMA champion at fisty cuffs.

Azwrath:

Lil devils x:

That is the thing, most people completely like something that others find disgusting. I personally like fresh broccoli and am perfectly okay with the fact that others might find that repulsive. That is the difference between fanboism and just liking something. I do not feel any need to convince others to like something. I do not feel any need to defend my liking broccoli. But the minute you tell someone you think anime is as repulsive as dog poo, they feel a need to defend it as can be seen in this very thread. It isn't my words that are the problem here, as most do not think twice when someone says "eww eating bugs is gross!" while others in India, for example, think it is a great treat!

Anime to me is no different than some people enjoy eating bugs. What is there to discuss? If someone doesn't like something, that should be fine. No one should try to convince them to like something they do not like. It is only " rampant nerd fanboism" that makes one wish to defend something like that. I think my point has been proven on this very thread that when someone says " anime sucks", Nerd fanbois act accordingly in it's defense. LOL

I avoid Anime threads for a very good reason. I don't seek out confrontations with Anime fanbois, they are entitled to like what they like, I just don't want to see it, so they need to stop trying to make me. :)

So yes, I would like to beat Anime fanboism with a stick. Is that really so bad?

EDIT: It is funny though that if someone says " eww eating bugs is gross!" they are not labled a "hater" but if they say" eww Anime is gross!" they are.

No, that is not the thing. You did not say you dislike anime or that you dislike people who watch anime. Nobody on this forum would have a big problem with that. What you did is you went out of your way to try and prove that anime are crap and that nobody in their right mind should watch them. You just named yourself the judge, jury and executioner of what is good and what is not in this world.

You keep generalizing by using the term anime fanboys. Anime series have alot of different art styles, different themes, different stories, different characters... and some people like one style but hate another. So there is no such thing as an anime fanboy. That's like saying music fanboy or movie fanboy.

As for you food comparison, tell me this. If you see someone coming out of a pizza place and you go up to them on the street and start being all like: << Ewww pizza, it's so disgusting and bad, all the ingredients are crap, for the life of me, I just cannot understand how anyone wants to actually eat that. What is wrong with you? How can you like it? >>, do you really believe that if they liked pizza they would not be offended? or at least annoyed?

So people do not have a problem with the fact that you mentioned anime. What people have a problem with is that fact that you make ignorant and offensive statements and try to disguise them as opinions.

And when someone tries to explain to you why your statement is wrong you just dismiss them as fanboys and go on insulting them.

Funny stuff here. Did I go over to the Anime threads and start dissing them? No I did not. I did not go throw Anime blood on their Anime fur coats and start harrassing them now did I? No, I stated my opinion on what fanboism I would like to beat with a stick and somehow the Anime fanbois go nuts. It would seem that it is the Anime fanbois that cannot stand for someone to think Anime is dog poo, that is their problem not mine.

I could care less if someone says " pizza is gross". That IS the difference here that you fail to understand. I am not obsessed with Pizza to the point that I would feel the need to defend it. I am perfectly fine that people do not like things I do. The way anime fanbois act in particular makes them come across as OCD because they for some reason cannot understand how someone can know about Anime, the different styles, and think that it is complete and utter garbage.
That is not trying to disguise anything as an opinion. It IS an opinion, and I am entitled to have one just as well as anyone else is. LOL

Hell I don't need to beat Rampant Anime Nerd Fanboism with a stick, I need to drop an anvil on them so they can stop it. They can't even stand for someone to post in a thread about beating fanboism with a stick without getting all worked up about it.:)

Balberoth:

Lil devils x:

Just because I don't like soap operas does not mean I don't like television.
Just because I don't like Final fantasy games due to their art style does not eman I don;t like games.
Just because I don't like romance novels does not eman I don't like books.

There is a difference. Anime is just one crappy subsection of cartoons. I personally love Southpark, but think whoever thought of Cowboy Bebop should have been dropped on their head a couple of more times until they came to their senses. That doesn't mean I don;t like cartoons, I just really really don't like those kind of cartoons.

I should not have to defend not liking them, it is a matter of taste. I wouldn't expect someone to explain not liking southpark, Hell if they said " southpark sucks flea infested prosimians." I wouldn't think twice about it. It is the fanboism that makes one think they should care what someone else dislikes. LOL

Yeah, this is getting a little ridiculous now.
You've explained that you don't like anime and that you find anime fanboys to be the most irritating form, as asked for by the OP.
As a result of this an argument has gone on for three pages about how you aren't allowed to dismiss anime because you haven't seen every single example of it ever created.
You've explained repeatedly that you are not obliged to justify yourself in not liking something anyway, and that the fanboyism toward anime is what you find irritating, not the fact that other people enjoy it, and yet still they're going on and on about it!
If your original intention was to draw them out and have them prove your claims about them correct then congratulations, you've done that superbly.
I share your sentiment about anime itself and the fanboyism around it, and I also find Western superhero comics to be very similar in that even the "adult" ones have storylines and characterization that are clearly aimed at the level of comprehension of an early teenager.
Doesn't mean that I don't think they should exist or that others are "wrong" for liking them, but the next person who tells me that I'd really like "The Adventures Of Plush-Toy-Man, the man who became an unstoppable hero after a teleportation incident with his murdered daughter's favourite toy gave him the power to see through wooden doors, and who travels America righting wrongs and having painfully awkward and badly-written emotional scenes with a series of improbably loose women." is going to be hospitalized with a sturdy rock.
I don't like comics.
I've not liked them since early childhood.
Stop incessantly recommending them to me when WE HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION A THOUSAND TIMES, AND EVERY TIME I TOLD YOU THAT I DON'T LIKE COMICS! This comic is not "different from all the others" and it's unlikely that I'll like it, so unlikely that I won't waste my time with it, so stop wasting yours on this pointless crusade.

LOL! Yes, I would have to say Anime fans are among the worst when it comes to someone genuinely not liking what they like. Scary even. I also am not a fan of western superhero comics and find them to be insanely lame, and also have seen how defensive people have been over those as well. It is all so strange the way they have bonded with their cartoons. Anime fans are much worse though from what I have seen. I just don't " get" how emotionally attached they have become to these things that make them take it so personally when someone doesn't share their enthusiasm for something.

What I really find odd about this is that I am a hobby artist myself, sold art for a while in college, and was paid to do custom work. Even if it was something from my OWN imagination, art that I created and someone says " that's the crappiest thing I have ever seen" after I spent countless hours on it, I would not be offended in the least. I think it is a personality issue that creates the rampant fanboism in the first place. I have no idea why they care so much about the fact that someone else might think it crap. It is madness!

Lil devils x:
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I'm sorry it took me so long to see your trollish flaming nature. It's just that i have not encountered many such folk on The Escapist so i guess i was not expecting it. I'l stop replying to you after this since there is no point, but just in case you are not intentionally flaming i would just advise you to look up the words fanboy and opinion. They might not mean what you think they mean.

Have good day, or night depending on where you live.

P.S. i was apologizing to the OP for going off-topic.

Azwrath:

Lil devils x:
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I'm sorry it took me so long to see your trollish flaming nature. It's just that i have not encountered many such folk on The Escapist so i guess i was not expecting it. I'l stop replying to you after this since there is no point, but just in case you are not intentionally flaming i would just advise you to look up the words fanboy and opinion. They might not mean what you think they mean.

Have good day, or night depending on where you live.

P.S. i was apologizing to the OP for going off-topic.

Trollish and flaming now? Really that is funny. If you would like, you could review my quite lengthy post history, and it should reveal that I am neither "trollish nor flaming". I sincerely do not enjoy the rampant Anime fanboism, yet If I say so they swarm like flies. Even going as far as reporting saying " fanboi in a fan boism thread. Funny stuff there. Over 3,500 posts without a single warning, but if you say fanboi in a fanboism thread you should be reported! LOL I needed a good laugh TY. :)

You can take your own advice:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fanboy
fanboy

September 19, 2006 Urban Word of the Day

A passionate fan of various elements of geek culture (e.g. sci-fi, comics, Star Wars, video games, anime, hobbits, Magic: the Gathering, etc.), but who lets his passion override social graces.
fanboy

1. A person who is completely loyal to a game or company reguardless of if they suck or not.
2. A pathetic insult often used by fanboys themselves to try and put down people who don't like whatever it is they like.

Fanboy

Someone far beyond a simple fan.
No, not the tye of fan which keeps people cool.

An arrogant person who goes into an outburst every time something he likes is questioned. Fanboys usually acuse others of being fanboys. Usually use 1337 and swarm MMORPGs. Fanboys caused alot of fallouts between people when they started arguing about consoles. If you insult something that a fanboy likes, he will spam your computer up and try to insult something that you like. Most words a fanboy uses are in 1337 or end with 'X0RZ' and they spell the work 'the' as 'teh' because they think that it is 'teh

Definition of OPINION
a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/opinion

The dictionary is your friend. :)

EDIT: I would also like to add The definition of Fanboi, since I feel this is the appropriate spelling to address rampant fanboism:

fanboi

Someone who is hopelessly devoted to something and will like anything associated with thier particular thing.
Fanboi

Deliberate mispelling of the word 'fanboy' typically referring to an annoying, immature fan of a specific video game console.

Now in this case, I replace " gaming console" with " Anime".
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fanboi
You have a great day too! :)

The Wykydtron:

TizzytheTormentor:

The Wykydtron:
Ok, people who fucking WORSHIP the main character of Persona 3 like he's Mind Jesus or something. He's an unlikable prick and is singlehandedly the WORST thing about the entire game (Including the party AI.) He drags EVERYTHING down, every single other character is amazing (coughAigiscoughChidori/Junpeicoughcough) but he just does not give a single fuck about anything. His conversation options are without fail at least twice as dickish than the choice I would actually like to make. ALL. GAME. LONG.

I also remember Yu having some dickish lines...

Kou: "Will you help clean up?"
Yu: "Be an ass and leave"

Naoto: Will you help me find the culprit behind these mysterious letters?
Yu: "You're on your own"

Yumi: "I love you, but if you reject me, just walk away, I will turn my back, I don't want to see you go..."
Yu: *Leave"

Also one from Golden!
Nanako: "When I think of you big bro, I feel much stronger, like there is strong bond between us, do you feel that way when you think of me big bro?"
Yu: "No"

Oh, you think Minato is an unlikable? Try the accomplice ending in Golden (bash it all you want, it is one hell of an ending, watched it gobsmacked the whole time)

OT: Most shippers, okay, if you hope 2 characters to get together, that's fine, but getting into fights over it is just silly.

Minato is just an antisocial loner who never evolves past that archetype in a game REVOLVING AROUND FRIENDSHIP! Man that's bad. Yu gets dickish lines you can ignore at times. Minato gets nothing BUT dick lines forever. Maddening.

Also, his social link friends and dorm mates seem to think of him highly enough to make him their leader due to his calm and collected personality (to the point where even Junpei became jealous of everyone's faith in him)

Megalodon:
As far as I'm aware, the classic Doctor never travelled with only a male/elderly companion, and that era isn't accused of romanticizeing the Doctor.

Yeah he did. The First Doctor, who physically was an old man, travelled with Steven. The Second travelled with Jamie for a very long time, though it's true he wasn't female-less on TV. Also the Fifth Doctor travelled solo with Turlough, an alien schoolboy, for quite a while.

Bronies for the most part. Kind of annoyingly pretentious. As well as a apparent need for validation. Look you can like what you want, but if a "not so grate" T.V show is this big a part of your identity I'd say you must be a pretty boring person.

And That's Terrible:
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Mostly what this guy said.

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