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GamemasterAnthony:

NUMBER ONE: Extreme Shippers

There's nothing wrong with thinking two characters would make a good couple. Heck, as long as the explanation as to why they are a couple makes sense, pretty much ANY pairing you can think of can work. The ones I'm talking about here though...are the ones who feel that ONLY one coupling is right and everyone who disagrees is wrong. Yeah...THOSE kinds of shippers!

The problem with this type of fan is not only the fact that, once again, they can cause divisions within fandoms...but sometimes they will even resort to actions as described in the OTHER FOUR ENTRIES ON THIS LIST! They will bash characters, talk about how they worked in the good old days, bring certain characters back from the dead to make the pairing happen...and may even go straight into Rule 34! All while acting all smug and high and mighty over how well this pairing works.

Oh my yes. XD It feels weird for me to say it, since I am, myself, a rather extreme shipper, but my word. You fans on the outside of shipping fandom, who only see shippers get passionate when something relevant happens in the work proper, only see the tip of the iceburg. Shipping fandom is an intensely negative, hate-filled quagmire regardless of whether it's anime, gaming, literature, or tv. Fans of ships love nothing more than bashing each other, all the while feigning ignorance and trying to claim that all the insults and jeers started with the other side. I still enjoy shipping to an extent, but I found myself no longer able to muster the passion to persevere against the mountains of negativity, so I'm more on the outskirts of fandom these days.

Oh, and the overreactions. I don't so much find them irritating as I do worrying. For instance, this week's chapter of Naruto had a few fans of one of the series' girls claim they were literally contemplating suicide... Dearest me. the world is just ending because this chapter made a non-committal implication that maybe, just maybe, the wallflower girl won't get her lifelong crush in the end.

Liverpool fans. It might just be with the ones I know but SHUT UP ABOUT YOUR HISTORY. Nobody cares how good you were in the 80's or whenever, just face the truth that you are now upper-mid table and not going to see the Champions League for a long time. And Lampard > Gerrard. You cannot argue with 203 goals from midfield.

Lil devils x:
My irritation is with anime fanbois. I just don't "get it". I have tried to understand why anyone would think this to be tolerable, little lone good, but I just cannot. It is just so awful I cannot understand how it has a fan base. The art isn't good, the high pitched whiny emo characters, the storylines are crap. For the life of me, I just cannot understand how anyone wants to actually watch this, but apparently some people think it is the greatest thing ever. I don't think I will ever understand why. Ever.

Your post is like a shiny beacon on an ocean of interwebs filled with brooding cartoon characters and their hair.
(Sorry anime lovers, never liked it, baffled by how often I see it online)

Lil devils x:

Trollish and flaming now? Really that is funny. If you would like, you could review my quite lengthy post history, and it should reveal that I am neither "trollish nor flaming". I sincerely do not enjoy the rampant Anime fanboism, yet If I say so they swarm like flies. Even going as far as reporting saying " fanboi in a fan boism thread. Funny stuff there. Over 3,500 posts without a single warning, but if you say fanboi in a fanboism thread you should be reported! LOL I needed a good laugh TY. :)

You can take your own advice:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fanboy
fanboy

September 19, 2006 Urban Word of the Day

A passionate fan of various elements of geek culture (e.g. sci-fi, comics, Star Wars, video games, anime, hobbits, Magic: the Gathering, etc.), but who lets his passion override social graces.
fanboy

1. A person who is completely loyal to a game or company reguardless of if they suck or not.
2. A pathetic insult often used by fanboys themselves to try and put down people who don't like whatever it is they like.

Fanboy

Someone far beyond a simple fan.
No, not the tye of fan which keeps people cool.

An arrogant person who goes into an outburst every time something he likes is questioned. Fanboys usually acuse others of being fanboys. Usually use 1337 and swarm MMORPGs. Fanboys caused alot of fallouts between people when they started arguing about consoles. If you insult something that a fanboy likes, he will spam your computer up and try to insult something that you like. Most words a fanboy uses are in 1337 or end with 'X0RZ' and they spell the work 'the' as 'teh' because they think that it is 'teh

Definition of OPINION
a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/opinion

The dictionary is your friend. :)

EDIT: I would also like to add The definition of Fanboi, since I feel this is the appropriate spelling to address rampant fanboism:

fanboi

Someone who is hopelessly devoted to something and will like anything associated with thier particular thing.
Fanboi

Deliberate mispelling of the word 'fanboy' typically referring to an annoying, immature fan of a specific video game console.

Now in this case, I replace " gaming console" with " Anime".
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fanboi
You have a great day too! :)

Reported for calling somebody a fanboy in a thread entitled "Rampant nerd fanboyism you want to beat with a stick."
Wow.
Just, wow.
That's an awful lot of butthurt!
I think fanboyism of any type is at least mildly irritating to be honest, there's something embarrassing about somebody who will mindlessly approve of something without any appreciation of its merits purely because of the association with or similarity to something else that they like.
I notice that this type of thing seems to go along with groups who view themselves as "counter-culture", it's very common among anime fans, comic fans and the My Little Pony people, and I think the reason for that is that they identify with it as more than just a thing that they enjoy.
They construct a facet of their personality around it, so that rather than a hobby or an interest that they enjoy for its merits it becomes something that they project into the world, as a sort of defining feature.
I've encountered a lot of people like this, they're deliberately into anything that will seem "odd" to outsiders because they think it makes them interesting, one sure-fire way to gauge this is to see how they respond if it becomes more mainstream, they will either drop it and move on because it no longer has use to them, or they'll start defining themselves as a "hardcore" subset that were "into it before it was cool" or some similar tripe.
If they were interested for the merit alone they would broadly welcome newcomers, possibly tinged with a little concern if there was a chance of a change in direction towards more mass-appeal, not the open hostility you see amongst, say "hardcore" gamers towards the "dirty casuals" (I'm aware that term is mostly used in jest here, but I've seen it used seriously in many other places.

frizzlebyte:

Lil devils x:
My irritation is with anime fanbois. I just don't "get it". I have tried to understand why anyone would think this to be tolerable, little lone good, but I just cannot. It is just so awful I cannot understand how it has a fan base. The art isn't good, the high pitched whiny emo characters, the storylines are crap. For the life of me, I just cannot understand how anyone wants to actually watch this, but apparently some people think it is the greatest thing ever. I don't think I will ever understand why. Ever.

Some of the stories are actually pretty good, like Cowboy Bebop and Ghost in the Shell. But I agree, the archetypes in Anime tend to be so blatant that it is embarrassing. Actually, lack of subtlety is something I notice about a lot of Japanese pop-culture. Take JRPGs for instance. They always have the same characters over and over again, just with a new paint job slathered on like neon-colored Max Factor, and the storylines are silly to me, for the most part.

I can't understand the rampant fanboyism, either. Then again, most of the people I know who are all into Anime tend to be really immature. I always figure that if they ever mature to the point that they can recognize the archetypal forms of Anime, they will run from it so fast that the ground will ignite.

Hasn't happened yet, though.

I know a lot of the archetypes and have found the ones that piss me off and the ones that delight me. Anything dark, gritty or deconstructive (Psycho-pass) or any really good mecha (Gundam Wing) makes me want to watch it immediately. Harem, slice-of-life, and comedy make me hurl. If i'm wrong on what you mean by archetypes, please elaborate.

As to the OP, I can say with some experience that I'm one of those insane anime/manga/game fanboys. I love them and really want to read backstory, even pushing it on others. It's taking some time to adjust but it's getting there.

Generally the thing that people hate is constant pushing and shoving of opinions on them. I have done it to some and some have done it to me so I can understand that it needs to be beaten out. Here's the thing that I will play as devil's advocate, many of these people have had good memories or experiences with them so they hold them close to the heart. Others, including myself to some degree, have some sort of OCD which makes it attached to them immensely and become obsessed which drives others insane. Not trying to completely defend rabid fans, just want to give a different view.

bartholen:
I don't think I would have answered to this thread a month ago, but thanks to 3.0, I can say that Evangelion fanboys are fucking insurmountable, at least in case of 3.0. If anywhere, their defense for that mess oft boils down to "You just don't get it, you're just dumb" or "Well it's because [insert entire book worth of explanation that requires you to have read 10 extraneous fan theories, read 50 different wiki articles, mapped it all out on a spreadsheet and then shoved it up Roger Corman's nostril to understand]".

I don't hate Evangelion. I really like 2.0 and love the manga. I just hate the way some pretend it to be some holy scripture brought down by Allah, Jesus and Buddha themselves and that they're the only ones who have truly discovered its mysteries. For the record, I actually saw an user review on IMDB claiming that Eva was based on "banned books of the Bible" or some rubbish like that. I tried to find it to show it here, but I couldn't.

It's a show about people trying to sort out their mental issues while fighting giant monsters with giant mechs, simple as that.

Well, Eva 3.0 is a mess, a fun to follow mess with Shinji's breakdown happening spectacularly, but a mess regardless. I, however, am intrigued by what Eva the Final will be like.

Personally, Eva 3.0 is going to be the most debated of the rebuild movies. I like it and have some interpretation of it but I can understand why some might not like it. I would love for people to stop using cheap defenses and start debating interpretations. Eva is a show/franchise to interpret not to accept at face value

As for the user review, Eva does pull some elements from the Kabbalah and non-canonical texts but it's superficial at best.

VMK:
Obligatory console fanboys answer.

Also, Street Fighter fannboys. I am talking about people that dismiss other fighters without even playing them. Their arguments? Weaboo sh*t, stoopid animu fighter, SF rip-off, etc.
Concerning latter argument: true, many fg franchises started as copies of SF, but blaming them for copying the VERY FIRST fg is like blaming Bioshock devs for ripping of Doom.

And about "animu" argument:
Lemme see...
1)Stoic main characters, that lives only for battle;
2)Arrogant and emotional best friend/rival;
3)Big bad evil guy that wants to conquer the world;
4)Big bad evil guy that lives only to die in battle;
5)pretty boy that loves only himself;
6)TITS EVERYWHERE;
7)Bad storyline
and etc, etc, etc...

OH MY GAWD!!! Street Fighter is shonen animu embodied! Alpha 3 with its anime graphics does not help at all.

Believe me, as someone who loves the Blazblue franchise, I get a lot of people saying "it sucks, we want Guilty Gear" Look, you have your old Guilty Gear games (and a new one that's been announces), just let those who love Blazblue play their game

excalipoor:

excalipoor:
Fanboyism doesn't bother me, but haters do.

I just found a particular breed of fan that does bother me: Welcome to the NHK fans who think that the show encourages hikikomori behavior.

I'm not one to kick people when they're down, but it really isn't something you should be proud of... It's not a fucking lifestyle, it's a complete and total lack of a lifestyle!

From what I can tell, it actually puts the hikikomori in a tragic light, showing the mental and social issues that push many into their condition and also illustrating the unreality of their favorite tropes (the whole "make the ultimate moe girl" in the manga shows this part clearly)

Art stimulates people. If it's good art then people project on to it which results in all this passion. Good art and passion are inextricable. The only alternative would be to have shit art.

It'd be Everybody Loves Raymond forever.

Izanagi009:

excalipoor:

excalipoor:
Fanboyism doesn't bother me, but haters do.

I just found a particular breed of fan that does bother me: Welcome to the NHK fans who think that the show encourages hikikomori behavior.

I'm not one to kick people when they're down, but it really isn't something you should be proud of... It's not a fucking lifestyle, it's a complete and total lack of a lifestyle!

From what I can tell, it actually puts the hikikomori in a tragic light, showing the mental and social issues that push many into their condition and also illustrating the unreality of their favorite tropes (the whole "make the ultimate moe girl" in the manga shows this part clearly)

It does at that. I've read both the manga and the novel, and while the anime is still my favorite, it's also the easiest to misinterpret. Every time I hop on Youtube to listen to the (amazing) soundtrack, without fail I will see comments in the vein of "HIKKY PRIDE 4 LYFE!" That's just dangerous thinking, and I genuinely hope these people are just rebellious teenage introverts who will eventually grow out it.

Real talk. Being a shut-in isn't something anyone should aspire to be. I'm almost there, and it sure as fuck hasn't made my life any better.

excalipoor:

Izanagi009:

excalipoor:

I just found a particular breed of fan that does bother me: Welcome to the NHK fans who think that the show encourages hikikomori behavior.

I'm not one to kick people when they're down, but it really isn't something you should be proud of... It's not a fucking lifestyle, it's a complete and total lack of a lifestyle!

From what I can tell, it actually puts the hikikomori in a tragic light, showing the mental and social issues that push many into their condition and also illustrating the unreality of their favorite tropes (the whole "make the ultimate moe girl" in the manga shows this part clearly)

It does at that. I've read both the manga and the novel, and while the anime is still my favorite, it's also the easiest to misinterpret. Every time I hop on Youtube to listen to the (amazing) soundtrack, without fail I will see comments in the vein of "HIKKY PRIDE 4 LYFE!" That's just dangerous thinking, and I genuinely hope these people are just rebellious teenage introverts who will eventually grow out it.

Real talk. Being a shut-in isn't something anyone should aspire to be. I'm almost there, and it sure as fuck hasn't made my life any better.

You can say that again but i may have fallen into the opposite trap. I now am the type to not want to depend on people and be a cold loner. I'm willing to pull myself up from adversity and I am more social than in High school but I still don't want to get too close to people

I have a pretty high tolerance for fandom, but anything that amounts to some form of, "You're liking the thing I like wrong," or, "You're not a True Fan," is a brand of bullshit which I have absolutely no patience for. Also, shipping wars are piles of garbage stinking up my internet existence. You are literally fighting over which non-existent, fictional people you think should fuck each other. How in the damn hell can you take that so ridiculously seriously and act smug and self-important about it when you do?

Izanagi009:

excalipoor:

Izanagi009:

From what I can tell, it actually puts the hikikomori in a tragic light, showing the mental and social issues that push many into their condition and also illustrating the unreality of their favorite tropes (the whole "make the ultimate moe girl" in the manga shows this part clearly)

It does at that. I've read both the manga and the novel, and while the anime is still my favorite, it's also the easiest to misinterpret. Every time I hop on Youtube to listen to the (amazing) soundtrack, without fail I will see comments in the vein of "HIKKY PRIDE 4 LYFE!" That's just dangerous thinking, and I genuinely hope these people are just rebellious teenage introverts who will eventually grow out it.

Real talk. Being a shut-in isn't something anyone should aspire to be. I'm almost there, and it sure as fuck hasn't made my life any better.

You can say that again but i may have fallen into the opposite trap. I now am the type to not want to depend on people and be a cold loner. I'm willing to pull myself up from adversity and I am more social than in High school but I still don't want to get too close to people

Nothing wrong with that, though it might be a slippery slope. I don't think it's solely an issue of socialization, as long as you have more than introspection and ceiling-gazing in your life: a routine, a career, a goal, a person... Anything that keeps you from thinking yourself to death. Doing nothing is the worst thing you could do for yourself.

When one has fallen so far that they literally do nothing but wait for someone to help pull them out of it, it's time to get up and go look for the help. It's out there, just gotta ask. Simply wallowing in self-pity will never change anything, as comfortable as it may be.

Moonlight Butterfly:
I've been told I'm not a 'real gamer' because I don't play call of duty. You know apart from owning a console from every generation since the atari 2600 and building my own pc.

I'm just a big fake fakey pants.

It also annoys me if you play all kinds of games you are some sort of Blonsky. I like Animal Crossing and the Sims but I also love games like Bioshock or Left for Dead. People are so fucking weird sometimes.

I guess that's what gets on my nerves people who think if you like one thing you can't like another.

YOU NO PLAY COD? D:<

YOU NO REAL GAMER!

RELA GAMERS ONLY PLAY MADDEN AND COD AND NONE OF THOSE *insert sexist, racist, and sexualist statements here* FROM JAPLAND!

*Chugs mountain dew*

Izanagi009:
I know a lot of the archetypes and have found the ones that piss me off and the ones that delight me. Anything dark, gritty or deconstructive (Psycho-pass) or any really good mecha (Gundam Wing) makes me want to watch it immediately. Harem, slice-of-life, and comedy make me hurl. If i'm wrong on what you mean by archetypes, please elaborate.

The things you refer to are actually called "genres." When I say archetypes, I mean a certain kind of character. In western storytelling, you have archtypal characters like the "wise old wizard," the "hero," the "trickster," those kinds of things. For example, Obi Wan Kenobi would be a fairly standard interpretation of the wise old wizard, whereas Morpheus (from the Matrix) would be the same archetype with (literally) different clothing and demeanor.

It seems to me that Anime archetypes are a little more obvious, or hew more closely to a certain template, than other storytelling genres. For example, the standard Anime/Manga "magic girlfriend" archetype is, from my experience, largely obvious and unchanged as a character from story to story, whereas Morpheus is rather different from Obi Wan Kenobi, in both appearance and demeanor.

They also seem to often have a "perky, or quirky, sidekick" character, as well in my experience. Sazh, from Final Fantasy XIII is one example I can think of.

If you are interested in wanting to know more about archetypes, I'd heartily recommend Joseph Campbell's book, "Hero with a Thousand Faces." He goes into a lot of detail about it there.

"The Writer's Journey," by Christopher Vogler, is also good, and doesn't spend as much time as Campbell on comparative mythology, which can be a slog at times.

They call it an Unpleasable Fanbase for a reason. The most proactive fans will never be happy, ever.

Lil devils x:
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If I my say, Mr. or Ms. devils X, as a fan and student of animation from around the world, I'm fine with you not liking products from Japan, but I don't think you've done a good job explaining yourself.

You don't specifically cite any characters or story arcs as examples of why you don't like Japanese animated media, in general. Your complaints are generalized, and it gives the impression that you are stereotyping without really understanding what it is that your are critical of.

You say that whoever came up with Cowboy Bebop should be beaten until they get some sense in them, but you don't point out specific moments or characters in the anime that you don't like to back up that claim, and it seems like you're just being antagonistic without any real justification. Especially when you rather negatively compare enjoying anime with enjoying eating bugs. (For the record, several countries do eat bugs that are actually high in various proteins and nutrients. You probably couldn't get me to eat them unless in desperation, but still, like any food, certain bugs are nutritious when prepared properly.)

I think those are more along the lines of why other posters have been irritated with your arguments, rather than being fanbois.

ShogunGino:

Lil devils x:
snip

If I my say, Mr. or Ms. devils X, as a fan and student of animation from around the world, I'm fine with you not liking products from Japan, but I don't think you've done a good job explaining yourself.

You don't specifically cite any characters or story arcs as examples of why you don't like Japanese animated media, in general. Your complaints are generalized, and it gives the impression that you are stereotyping without really understanding what it is that your are critical of.

You say that whoever came up with Cowboy Bebop should be beaten until they get some sense in them, but you don't point out specific moments or characters in the anime that you don't like to back up that claim, and it seems like you're just being antagonistic without any real justification. Especially when you rather negatively compare enjoying anime with enjoying eating bugs. (For the record, several countries do eat bugs that are actually high in various proteins and nutrients. You probably couldn't get me to eat them unless in desperation, but still, like any food, certain bugs are nutritious when prepared properly.)

I think those are more along the lines of why other posters have been irritated with your arguments, rather than being fanbois.

1) I never said I don't like products from Japan. As can be seen here in this thread, that is a false assumption on your part. post #54 to be precise.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.408735-Japanophiles-WARNING-Essay-on-the-Real-Japan?page=2

2) There is no reason for me to explain myself. If someone doesn't like something, they should not have to explain themselves. The idea that they should have to explain themselves is what is wrong here. If someone says they think broccoli is repulsive, I don't ask them why because I do not have a desire to defend it, nor is it my business why they don't like it. Now if I were a rampant nerd fanboi of broccoli, I would expect them to. There is a difference.

3)This thread is not about defending why you dislike something, nor is it about what is wrong with Anime, it is about " rampant nerd fanboisms you want to beat with a stick". So why would I go into great detailed discussion on what exactly is repulsive about Anime in a thread that is about Fanboism, and why would you feel obligated to ask me, when I specifically stated that why Anime fanboism is bad is because they continually seem to think that I have not seen the Anime they liked and that is why I hated it so they keep sending it to me to watch? Due to them sending me many different types of Anime because they are convinced theirs is the awesome of awesomeness and that I could not possibly dislike theirs I have found that the Anime they like is often worse than the ones I had viewed before that. It is the fact that Anime fanbois have the most difficult time understanding that there are people out there that are actually repulsed by something they like is what makes them the most annoying to me in the first place.

4)see #2 this isn't about Anime, it is about Anime fanboism. the fact that you think you even deserve an explanation is part of the problem here.

5)The fact that they are irritated at all is the very definition of fanboism as noted above by the definitions I linked earlier in this thread.

EDIT: And yes, it is She* :)

As far as I am concerned this Japanese cartoon is far superior to what they produce today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyGvGMa2RFg

Elitists need to go die in a hole.

Haven't played this obscure game from 20 years ago? Ugh you're so fake.
Didn't have the foresight to be born male? Omg what are you doing get out of MY hobby!

Though I do like it when they get all introspective in threads about what makes someone a `real gamer`.
(Psst, it's anyone who wants to be and identifies as such).

One day I'm going to get a shirt with Link on it, stroll into my local game shop and call him Zelda until somebody cries.

Balberoth:

Lil devils x:

Trollish and flaming now? Really that is funny. If you would like, you could review my quite lengthy post history, and it should reveal that I am neither "trollish nor flaming". I sincerely do not enjoy the rampant Anime fanboism, yet If I say so they swarm like flies. Even going as far as reporting saying " fanboi in a fan boism thread. Funny stuff there. Over 3,500 posts without a single warning, but if you say fanboi in a fanboism thread you should be reported! LOL I needed a good laugh TY. :)

You can take your own advice:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fanboy
fanboy

September 19, 2006 Urban Word of the Day

A passionate fan of various elements of geek culture (e.g. sci-fi, comics, Star Wars, video games, anime, hobbits, Magic: the Gathering, etc.), but who lets his passion override social graces.
fanboy

1. A person who is completely loyal to a game or company reguardless of if they suck or not.
2. A pathetic insult often used by fanboys themselves to try and put down people who don't like whatever it is they like.

Fanboy

Someone far beyond a simple fan.
No, not the tye of fan which keeps people cool.

An arrogant person who goes into an outburst every time something he likes is questioned. Fanboys usually acuse others of being fanboys. Usually use 1337 and swarm MMORPGs. Fanboys caused alot of fallouts between people when they started arguing about consoles. If you insult something that a fanboy likes, he will spam your computer up and try to insult something that you like. Most words a fanboy uses are in 1337 or end with 'X0RZ' and they spell the work 'the' as 'teh' because they think that it is 'teh

Definition of OPINION
a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/opinion

The dictionary is your friend. :)

EDIT: I would also like to add The definition of Fanboi, since I feel this is the appropriate spelling to address rampant fanboism:

fanboi

Someone who is hopelessly devoted to something and will like anything associated with thier particular thing.
Fanboi

Deliberate mispelling of the word 'fanboy' typically referring to an annoying, immature fan of a specific video game console.

Now in this case, I replace " gaming console" with " Anime".
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fanboi
You have a great day too! :)

Reported for calling somebody a fanboy in a thread entitled "Rampant nerd fanboyism you want to beat with a stick."
Wow.
Just, wow.
That's an awful lot of butthurt!
I think fanboyism of any type is at least mildly irritating to be honest, there's something embarrassing about somebody who will mindlessly approve of something without any appreciation of its merits purely because of the association with or similarity to something else that they like.
I notice that this type of thing seems to go along with groups who view themselves as "counter-culture", it's very common among anime fans, comic fans and the My Little Pony people, and I think the reason for that is that they identify with it as more than just a thing that they enjoy.
They construct a facet of their personality around it, so that rather than a hobby or an interest that they enjoy for its merits it becomes something that they project into the world, as a sort of defining feature.
I've encountered a lot of people like this, they're deliberately into anything that will seem "odd" to outsiders because they think it makes them interesting, one sure-fire way to gauge this is to see how they respond if it becomes more mainstream, they will either drop it and move on because it no longer has use to them, or they'll start defining themselves as a "hardcore" subset that were "into it before it was cool" or some similar tripe.
If they were interested for the merit alone they would broadly welcome newcomers, possibly tinged with a little concern if there was a chance of a change in direction towards more mass-appeal, not the open hostility you see amongst, say "hardcore" gamers towards the "dirty casuals" (I'm aware that term is mostly used in jest here, but I've seen it used seriously in many other places.

Yes, I do think it is the issue of fanboism itself. I think it is a personality issue, where they become quite emotionally attached to something. I would think the closest thing to me that I could consider myself a major fan of would be gas sculptures, sheet metal art, or music but if someone says one I really like sucks and they find it repulsive, it isn't going to bother me. I think you hit the nail on the head with them relating to these things as part of their self identity, rather than just something they enjoy. I have found that I tend to distance myself with those that are overly concerned with their self identity to begin with because I find that irritating as well and a terrible waste of time.

SuperSamio64:

Megalodon:
As far as I'm aware, the classic Doctor never travelled with only a male/elderly companion, and that era isn't accused of romanticizeing the Doctor.

Yeah he did. The First Doctor, who physically was an old man, travelled with Steven. The Second travelled with Jamie for a very long time, though it's true he wasn't female-less on TV. Also the Fifth Doctor travelled solo with Turlough, an alien schoolboy, for quite a while.

Fair enough, as I said I don't know the Classic series well, but in everything I have seen of it, the Doctor had at least one female companion.

Lil devils x:
1) I never said I don't like products from Japan. As can be seen here in this thread, that is a false assumption on your part. post #54 to be precise.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.408735-Japanophiles-WARNING-Essay-on-the-Real-Japan?page=2

2) There is no reason for me to explain myself. If someone doesn't like something, they should not have to explain themselves. The idea that they should have to explain themselves is what is wrong here. If someone says they think broccoli is repulsive, I don't ask them why because I do not have a desire to defend it, nor is it my business why they don't like it. Now if I were a rampant nerd fanboi of broccoli, I would expect them to. There is a difference.

3)This thread is not about defending why you dislike something, nor is it about what is wrong with Anime, it is about " rampant nerd fanboisms you want to beat with a stick". So why would I go into great detailed discussion on what exactly is repulsive about Anime in a thread that is about Fanboism, and why would you feel obligated to ask me, when I specifically stated that why Anime fanboism is bad is because they continually seem to think that I have not seen the Anime they liked and that is why I hated it so they keep sending it to me to watch? Due to them sending me many different types of Anime because they are convinced theirs is the awesome of awesomeness and that I could not possibly dislike theirs I have found that the Anime they like is often worse than the ones I had viewed before that. It is the fact that Anime fanbois have the most difficult time understanding that there are people out there that are actually repulsed by something they like is what makes them the most annoying to me in the first place.

4)see #2 this isn't about Anime, it is about Anime fanboism. the fact that you think you even deserve an explanation is part of the problem here.

5)The fact that they are irritated at all is the very definition of fanboism as noted above by the definitions I linked earlier in this thread.

EDIT: And yes, it is She* :)

Very well, then.

1. A poor choice of wording on my part, I suppose. I used the word 'products' because a lot of recurring elements in anime have found themselves spreading to other Japanese media, which are common products purchased by foreigners. I apologize for having seemed like I made an assumption.

2. (this'll cover points 3 and 4 as well) I'm sorry to say that I completely disagree with you when you say that you don't think that you need to explain yourself. That simply goes against my personality. I'm someone who always figures out the reasons why I like, dislike, do, or don't do things, and I think that by explaining your opinion on why you don't enjoy anime in more specific details, you can then better connect your argument against the anime fanbois, despite the fact that this thread is specifically about fandoms you can't stand. In my other post on this thread before responding to you, I wrote out details as to why I don't really like Empire Strikes Back so that I could connect it to why I think the Star Wars 'fans' have turned it into the most overrated, over-deified movie in existence. That's just how I am, and no, I don't think that wanting an explanation contributes to the problem, I think it does the exact opposite. I don't think I "deserve" an explanation, and I'll thank you if you don't say that again, I just think explanations make opinions better. However, I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree on this point. (Also, I don't think your broccoli example holds much water because reactions to food in the mouth and reactions to entertainment media are quite different things)

5. I disagree that being irritated with how someone writes their opinion is a clear indication of fanboism. If you saw me tell someone off for making crude insults towards, say, people that watch Doctor Who, would you assume that I was a Whovian? Probably, but I would then tell you that I, in reality, don't really care about Doctor Who, and I thought the guy was just being an ass, and I wanted him to stop acting like one because he was pissing me off by doing so.

To be a bit more blunt, I think that your posts went beyond anime-fanboi complaints, and started making rude remarks about people who enjoy anime in general, irritating fanboi or not. In that sense, I think that you too lost track of the OT. I hope I don't offend you by saying that, but I did, actually, find some of your posts to be rather tactless, and I think that also is what made some other posters react to you in the way they did. Sorry for critiquing you, but I felt I needed to speak my mind.

And now its time for ME to get back OT. The other fanbase that grinds my gears are Transformer G1 'fans'. The ones that treat that cartoon like its an intricate Shakespearean masterpiece when, in reality, it was a series so focused on selling toys that right after season 2, they made a theatrical feature that killed off the popular hero and several others so that new toylines could replace them. And then they figured out what happens when you don't give a shit about your target audience, and then they brought him back to life because it threatened ratings, and therefore toy sales.

While I think Transformers G1 is a horrendous disgrace to animation, with its made-for-syndication low-quality visuals and numerous embarrassing animation glitches, over-reliance on cheap puns for humor, characters introduced and quickly forgotten solely for the sake of making a new toy, really irritating voices for the less intelligent characters, and the overall attitude that you don't need coherence of storytelling and quality control when making a successful kids' cartoon, just a flashy premise with plenty of toy marketing opportunities.

Can you tell that I hate toyetic cartoons?

The 'fans' only really started to pop out of their holes when the first Michael Bay movie came out, and since the, like Star Wars fans, they have never shut up about how Bay 'shat upon a legacy'. A legacy built on exploiting childrens' want for toys.

Yeah, I don't really like Bay's movies either, but I don't really think they're bad enough to warrant enough hate to turn 'Michael Bay movie' into a internet-meme insult, especially since the thing they are defending so blindly was made with about as much care for the viewing audience as Bay's movies.

/wall of text

I collect transformers, and the hostility and negativity in the fanbase is such that it often feels like the 'adult collectors' are more spoilt and childish than the kids the figures are aimed at. Seeing flamewars erupt over the correct colours of two identical characters, for saying you prefer a specific version of a character over another, or because this new toy has the 'wrong' coloured eyes is all kinds of depressing.

mechalynx:
Not hating per se, more along the lines of not understanding at all - Yaoi girls. I just don't get it.

I do deeply dislike Hollywwod for being in love with Meryl Streep and Woody Allen. If that's not fanboyism, I don't know what is.

In short, do you like lesbians? if yes, you have your answer.

Megalodon:

SuperSamio64:

Megalodon:
As far as I'm aware, the classic Doctor never travelled with only a male/elderly companion, and that era isn't accused of romanticizeing the Doctor.

Yeah he did. The First Doctor, who physically was an old man, travelled with Steven. The Second travelled with Jamie for a very long time, though it's true he wasn't female-less on TV. Also the Fifth Doctor travelled solo with Turlough, an alien schoolboy, for quite a while.

Fair enough, as I said I don't know the Classic series well, but in everything I have seen of it, the Doctor had at least one female companion.

Yeah. There are only a few stories wherein the Doctor isn't travelling with an attractive woman by his side.

Ok so this one is going to be a bit more general than it should be, but the fanboys I can't stand are the ones who think they define the terms of their said fandom. Those who say things like, "If you haven't watched the original series, you're not a true fan." Or, "A real fan would agree with me." Or, "You haven't even read the books, proper fans read the books."

Many of the previous posters have made examples such as this, where their chosen fanboys comment on being true fans. This stuff is very prevalent, just go to a YouTube video for one of these fandoms and you'll probably find somebody telling someone else they are not a "true fan" because they don't conform to the fanboys conditions of fandom.

My message to these people then:

Stop telling somebody if they are a fan or not. A fan doesn't have to have read all the books or extra material or play every game or watch every episode or agree with you on everything. A fan is somebody who enjoys something, who supports it, not somebody who creates their own members club around it and says "You're not allowed in here, you're not a real fan." to those who don't meet their level. These people love something as much as you do, it should be some common ground for you to get along. Instead you're using it as an opportunity to make yourself feel superior to others. What do you accomplish by it? Ok so you feel a bit better for a while but the creator of that thing you love isn't going to come round to your house and praise you for being the ultimate fan, nobody will appreciate you putting down another fan because they don't conform to your ideals. If you want to show how much of a fan you are just keep supporting the creators work, if you really want to show it send them a message saying how much you love it, everyone likes to feel appreciated for their hard work and fan mail is just about the best thing somebody can get. So stop trying to one-up other fans, nobody will appreciate it and all it will earn you is criticism and derision. But send some fan mail and you will have made somebody's day.

Edguy:
Metal elitism. I'm a pretty hard guy to anger, but smug bigots spewing shit like "Slipknot aren't metal, they're fucking lame nu metal shite" or "Avenged Sevenfold are emo metalcore for 12 year old girls"..

..those push my buttons. People that think that only certain underground extreme metal acts have the right to fall under the wide category know as metal, those need to be beaten with a stick. No, scratch that; a 400kg tree log.

I agree, I have people tell me that so and so isn't Metal often and its total bullshit. I have everything from Lacuna Coil to Slayer, Killswitch Engage, Lamb of God and Ghost in my collection and they are all Metal to me. Its not just about the music but the attitude and aggression that to me defines Metal. I don't care what it is labeled as if I like it then I like it, if you don't like band X then don't support them but don't bash someone who does.

Windknight:

mechalynx:
Not hating per se, more along the lines of not understanding at all - Yaoi girls. I just don't get it.

I do deeply dislike Hollywwod for being in love with Meryl Streep and Woody Allen. If that's not fanboyism, I don't know what is.

In short, do you like lesbians? if yes, you have your answer.

Nah, girl on girl action is Yuri if I understand it correctly. Yuri si either not as widespread as Yaoi or the fanbase isn't as rabid.

I am completely dispassionate on the genders in romance. Don't really care as long as it's hot and/or romantic.

frizzlebyte:

Izanagi009:
I know a lot of the archetypes and have found the ones that piss me off and the ones that delight me. Anything dark, gritty or deconstructive (Psycho-pass) or any really good mecha (Gundam Wing) makes me want to watch it immediately. Harem, slice-of-life, and comedy make me hurl. If i'm wrong on what you mean by archetypes, please elaborate.

The things you refer to are actually called "genres." When I say archetypes, I mean a certain kind of character. In western storytelling, you have archtypal characters like the "wise old wizard," the "hero," the "trickster," those kinds of things. For example, Obi Wan Kenobi would be a fairly standard interpretation of the wise old wizard, whereas Morpheus (from the Matrix) would be the same archetype with (literally) different clothing and demeanor.

It seems to me that Anime archetypes are a little more obvious, or hew more closely to a certain template, than other storytelling genres. For example, the standard Anime/Manga "magic girlfriend" archetype is, from my experience, largely obvious and unchanged as a character from story to story, whereas Morpheus is rather different from Obi Wan Kenobi, in both appearance and demeanor.

They also seem to often have a "perky, or quirky, sidekick" character, as well in my experience. Sazh, from Final Fantasy XIII is one example I can think of.

If you are interested in wanting to know more about archetypes, I'd heartily recommend Joseph Campbell's book, "Hero with a Thousand Faces." He goes into a lot of detail about it there.

"The Writer's Journey," by Christopher Vogler, is also good, and doesn't spend as much time as Campbell on comparative mythology, which can be a slog at times.

If you put it into that perspective then the thing that pulls me in is the cold stoic detached hero such as Heero Yuy. What I hate the most is either the ignorant, idiot sidekick or the blockhead harem hero.

I can definably understand why people hate the archetypes of anime: too much emphasis on cute and/or sexy and not enough on character depth with pandering to the otaku being pushed so heavily that it reeks.

P.S. thanks for the suggestions but I really just needed to know the difference between genre and archetype and I can go from there.

excalipoor:

Izanagi009:

excalipoor:

It does at that. I've read both the manga and the novel, and while the anime is still my favorite, it's also the easiest to misinterpret. Every time I hop on Youtube to listen to the (amazing) soundtrack, without fail I will see comments in the vein of "HIKKY PRIDE 4 LYFE!" That's just dangerous thinking, and I genuinely hope these people are just rebellious teenage introverts who will eventually grow out it.

Real talk. Being a shut-in isn't something anyone should aspire to be. I'm almost there, and it sure as fuck hasn't made my life any better.

You can say that again but i may have fallen into the opposite trap. I now am the type to not want to depend on people and be a cold loner. I'm willing to pull myself up from adversity and I am more social than in High school but I still don't want to get too close to people

Nothing wrong with that, though it might be a slippery slope. I don't think it's solely an issue of socialization, as long as you have more than introspection and ceiling-gazing in your life: a routine, a career, a goal, a person... Anything that keeps you from thinking yourself to death. Doing nothing is the worst thing you could do for yourself.

When one has fallen so far that they literally do nothing but wait for someone to help pull them out of it, it's time to get up and go look for the help. It's out there, just gotta ask. Simply wallowing in self-pity will never change anything, as comfortable as it may be.

My issue is now that I spend too much time looking at the people better at me and driving myself down. In addition, my goal has now gotten completely over bloated: To remove the primal aspects of humanity and become close to god. I'm doing something, it's just that I may be driving me insane in the opposite direction

ShogunGino:

Lil devils x:
1) I never said I don't like products from Japan. As can be seen here in this thread, that is a false assumption on your part. post #54 to be precise.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.408735-Japanophiles-WARNING-Essay-on-the-Real-Japan?page=2

2) There is no reason for me to explain myself. If someone doesn't like something, they should not have to explain themselves. The idea that they should have to explain themselves is what is wrong here. If someone says they think broccoli is repulsive, I don't ask them why because I do not have a desire to defend it, nor is it my business why they don't like it. Now if I were a rampant nerd fanboi of broccoli, I would expect them to. There is a difference.

3)This thread is not about defending why you dislike something, nor is it about what is wrong with Anime, it is about " rampant nerd fanboisms you want to beat with a stick". So why would I go into great detailed discussion on what exactly is repulsive about Anime in a thread that is about Fanboism, and why would you feel obligated to ask me, when I specifically stated that why Anime fanboism is bad is because they continually seem to think that I have not seen the Anime they liked and that is why I hated it so they keep sending it to me to watch? Due to them sending me many different types of Anime because they are convinced theirs is the awesome of awesomeness and that I could not possibly dislike theirs I have found that the Anime they like is often worse than the ones I had viewed before that. It is the fact that Anime fanbois have the most difficult time understanding that there are people out there that are actually repulsed by something they like is what makes them the most annoying to me in the first place.

4)see #2 this isn't about Anime, it is about Anime fanboism. the fact that you think you even deserve an explanation is part of the problem here.

5)The fact that they are irritated at all is the very definition of fanboism as noted above by the definitions I linked earlier in this thread.

EDIT: And yes, it is She* :)

Very well, then.

1. A poor choice of wording on my part, I suppose. I used the word 'products' because a lot of recurring elements in anime have found themselves spreading to other Japanese media, which are common products purchased by foreigners. I apologize for having seemed like I made an assumption.

2. (this'll cover points 3 and 4 as well) I'm sorry to say that I completely disagree with you when you say that you don't think that you need to explain yourself. That simply goes against my personality. I'm someone who always figures out the reasons why I like, dislike, do, or don't do things, and I think that by explaining your opinion on why you don't enjoy anime in more specific details, you can then better connect your argument against the anime fanbois, despite the fact that this thread is specifically about fandoms you can't stand. In my other post on this thread before responding to you, I wrote out details as to why I don't really like Empire Strikes Back so that I could connect it to why I think the Star Wars 'fans' have turned it into the most overrated, over-deified movie in existence. That's just how I am, and no, I don't think that wanting an explanation contributes to the problem, I think it does the exact opposite. I don't think I "deserve" an explanation, and I'll thank you if you don't say that again, I just think explanations make opinions better. However, I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree on this point. (Also, I don't think your broccoli example holds much water because reactions to food in the mouth and reactions to entertainment media are quite different things)

5. I disagree that being irritated with how someone writes their opinion is a clear indication of fanboism. If you saw me tell someone off for making crude insults towards, say, people that watch Doctor Who, would you assume that I was a Whovian? Probably, but I would then tell you that I, in reality, don't really care about Doctor Who, and I thought the guy was just being an ass, and I wanted him to stop acting like one because he was pissing me off by doing so.

To be a bit more blunt, I think that your posts went beyond anime-fanboi complaints, and started making rude remarks about people who enjoy anime in general, irritating fanboi or not. In that sense, I think that you too lost track of the OT. I hope I don't offend you by saying that, but I did, actually, find some of your posts to be rather tactless, and I think that also is what made some other posters react to you in the way they did. Sorry for critiquing you, but I felt I needed to speak my mind.

And now its time for ME to get back OT. The other fanbase that grinds my gears are Transformer G1 'fans'. The ones that treat that cartoon like its an intricate Shakespearean masterpiece when, in reality, it was a series so focused on selling toys that right after season 2, they made a theatrical feature that killed off the popular hero and several others so that new toylines could replace them. And then they figured out what happens when you don't give a shit about your target audience, and then they brought him back to life because it threatened ratings, and therefore toy sales.

While I think Transformers G1 is a horrendous disgrace to animation, with its made-for-syndication low-quality visuals and numerous embarrassing animation glitches, over-reliance on cheap puns for humor, characters introduced and quickly forgotten solely for the sake of making a new toy, really irritating voices for the less intelligent characters, and the overall attitude that you don't need coherence of storytelling and quality control when making a successful kids' cartoon, just a flashy premise with plenty of toy marketing opportunities.

Can you tell that I hate toyetic cartoons?

The 'fans' only really started to pop out of their holes when the first Michael Bay movie came out, and since the, like Star Wars fans, they have never shut up about how Bay 'shat upon a legacy'. A legacy built on exploiting childrens' want for toys.

Yeah, I don't really like Bay's movies either, but I don't really think they're bad enough to warrant enough hate to turn 'Michael Bay movie' into a internet-meme insult, especially since the thing they are defending so blindly was made with about as much care for the viewing audience as Bay's movies.

/wall of text

Thank you for your well thought out reply.

I think that you may put too much into why someone dislikes something when a negative reaction to something can be as simple as "I like shades of grays, blues and greens, but I hate yellow." Do they really need to explain why yellow gives them a negative reaction when they dislike the color yellow? People have different reactions when viewing the same things, and do not always have a reason they have the reaction they do, they just do.

Since you did take the time to give a well thought out response, I will tell you a bit more about why I actually do not like Anime. For me, a few of the things about the Anime style I find repulsive are the eyes, chins, hair, the awkward animated movements of the characters, the way they talk, the drama, and overly emotional and stereotypical characters, I find their portrayal of women to be insulting to women, and their male characters to be absurd. Now this is not limited to Anime, I also do not like western superhero comics as well or Transformers either.

When watching the cowboy bebop someone sent me, for example, first the intro was terrible like reject shows from the 70's like a bad Charlie's Angels. Then it starts with this guy having a really deep voice and he goes in and beats up these other guys and then sits down watching tv where they have a female on with a really high pitched voice... I couldn't go any further. It wasn't interesting or funny. The whole thing was so bad I could not possibly understand how anyone could stand to watch this crap. I felt like I had wasted the part of my life that watched that, and I wanted the time back. I for the life of me could not understand why anyone would want to watch that. It was so awful that I thought it would be better to dig a hole and put it in there and never let it back out again and it would be doing the world a favor. Yes, the negative reaction I had to it was that bad.

Now, the thing is, I don't go to threads where people are gushing about Anime, No I don't see a point in that. In fact, I rarely mention that I hate Anime in general and keep my nauseated reaction to myself when I see their obnoxious avatars. I do not actively seek to make people feel bad for liking Anime, and keep my opinions to myself on the matter for the most part. This thread, I finally let it known that I can't stand Anime and I wish people would stop trying to push it on me and the Anime fans took offense. If you actually look at what others in this thread said about the different fanboisms, and the lack of people taking offense to those vs the number of people taking offense to Anime being insulted, and it is apparent that Anime fans ARE more defensive in regards to their ANIME than even most of the other fans.

Why should everything need a detailed explanation and it can't be as simple as " I like the color red but I hate the color purple? " How and why someone reacts to something does not need to be overcomplicated, nor does it really need explanation.

I hope that helps. :)

Lil devils x:

Thank you for your well thought out reply.

I think that you may put too much into why someone dislikes something when a negative reaction to something can be as simple as "I like shades of grays, blues and greens, but I hate yellow." Do they really need to explain why yellow gives them a negative reaction when they dislike the color yellow? People have different reactions when viewing the same things, and do not always have a reason they have the reaction they do, they just do.

Since you did take the time to give a well thought out response, I will tell you a bit more about why I actually do not like Anime. For me, a few of the things about the Anime style I find repulsive are the eyes, chins, hair, the awkward animated movements of the characters, the way they talk, the drama, and overly emotional and stereotypical characters, I find their portrayal of women to be insulting to women, and their male characters to be absurd. Now this is not limited to Anime, I also do not like western superhero comics as well or Transformers either.

When watching the cowboy bebop someone sent me, for example, first the intro was terrible like reject shows from the 70's like a bad Charlie's Angels. Then it starts with this guy having a really deep voice and he goes in and beats up these other guys and then sits down watching tv where they have a female on with a really high pitched voice... I couldn't go any further. It wasn't interesting or funny. The whole thing was so bad I could not possibly understand how anyone could stand to watch this crap. I felt like I had wasted the part of my life that watched that, and I wanted the time back. I for the life of me could not understand why anyone would want to watch that. It was so awful that I thought it would be better to dig a hole and put it in there and never let it back out again and it would be doing the world a favor. Yes, the negative reaction I had to it was that bad.

Now, the thing is, I don't go to threads where people are gushing about Anime, No I don't see a point in that. In fact, I rarely mention that I hate Anime in general and keep my nauseated reaction to myself when I see their obnoxious avatars. I do not actively seek to make people feel bad for liking Anime, and keep my opinions to myself on the matter for the most part. This thread, I finally let it known that I can't stand Anime and I wish people would stop trying to push it on me and the Anime fans took offense. If you actually look at what others in this thread said about the different fanboisms, and the lack of people taking offense to those vs the number of people taking offense to Anime being insulted, and it is apparent that Anime fans ARE more defensive in regards to their ANIME than even most of the other fans.

Why should everything need a detailed explanation and it can't be as simple as " I like the color red but I hate the color purple? " How and why someone reacts to something does not need to be overcomplicated, nor does it really need explanation.

I hope that helps. :)

Fair enough, when I say that 'have an explanation for why you like/dislike something', I do mean that within a certain amount of reason. Food only really does a few things: It has a smell, it has an appearance, and it has a texture and flavor on the tongue (bad food will also leave a nasty feeling in the gut). A color is only that, a color, one thing. Anime, on the other hand, is a combination of character design, frame layouts, animation fluidity, consistency, and clarity, sound design, music, scriptwriting, voice acting, color design, movement choreography, and editing, as well as a few others I'm sure I didn't mention.

My point is that explaining why one doesn't like an anime is far more involved than why one may not like a particular food or color. When I was saying 'have an explanation', I meant regarding entertainment media. Books, film, animation, music, video games, comics, and the like.

On that point, I would also say that it seems like you judged an entire 26-episode series from the few opening minutes of a random episode, because what you described does not sound like the opening to the first episode, and I have watched the series a few times. In any case, I'm sorry that you didn't get the same enjoyment of of Cowboy Bebop that I did. I personally love the opening song as well as the entire soundtrack. I thought the composer did a great job emulating a 30's/40's film noir moods as well as more upbeat, energetic tracks for the action scenes. Considering that jazz is an unorthodox music style for space operas like this, I thought she made it work.

But that's just me. I know a lot of people like to judge whether or not they'll like some show, movie, or game based on the first impression, but in my experience, even if I don't like the opening of something, I at least try to stick with it a bit past that to see if it gets better. I thought the first half of Iron Man 2 wasn't very good, but I thought the second half of it had better everything: action, comedy, pathos, and pacing. A more extreme example, in my case, is with the film 'The African Queen'. I enjoy adventure epics, and this sounded like a classic Hollywood romp, but the opening is filled with embarrassingly racist depictions of Congo tribes-people. A product of its time, true, but not everything ages well. I felt so off-put by the opening that I couldn't watch the rest of the movie when it ended. I am told by people who've seen the whole movie that such racism is largely restricted to what I watched, and the rest is what I was looking for. I haven't gone back to the movie yet, but I will someday.

Anyway, that's what works for me, and its what I recommend to you. Believe me, I'm fighting an urge to recommend specific titles of Japanese animation for various reasons, technical, story-based, and otherwise, but I'm very aware that I wouldn't be helping matters if I did.

You know what kind of fanboyism is the worst? The fanboyism of the people who know fuck all about what they're allegedly fans of, but can list you all the related memes from the top of their heads.

Seriously.

Make them go away.

Another one here for MLP fanboys.

And I mean fanboys, not regular fans, regular fans are fine because they watch the show, perhaps talk about it with their buddies and make a few jokes about it, all good, no problem with you guys.

I'm talking about the people that take it above and beyond, the ones that make references to the show among a group of people who don't care about the show, that try desperately to draw attention to themselves and show off how 'ironic' they are that they like a show originally intended for young girls* and then when someone snaps at them they get massively defensive about it and spout off some crap about love and tolerance whilst simultaneously trying to alienate and mock the 'haters' in a way that runs completely counter to their claims of spreading love and tolerance.

Just my feelings on the subject, I don't like the show myself but I won't begrudge those that do, I just dislike the fanboys.

* I understand the show has some humour intended for a wider audience but its target was initially for young girls, perhaps that has changed now but its roots are there.

Lil devils x:
My irritation is with anime fanbois. I just don't "get it". I have tried to understand why anyone would think this to be tolerable, little lone good, but I just cannot. It is just so awful I cannot understand how it has a fan base. The art isn't good, the high pitched whiny emo characters, the storylines are crap. For the life of me, I just cannot understand how anyone wants to actually watch this, but apparently some people think it is the greatest thing ever. I don't think I will ever understand why. Ever.

Anime isn't a genre you know. The quality and style varies completely between them, so dismissing them all as having shitty art, emo characters and crappy storylines is ridiculous.

OT: Microsoft fanboys. My friend will defend literally anything they've ever done ever, and doesn't seem to think they can do anything wrong.

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