The Reverend!:

One of the people I regularly play TF2 with is female, although I cant say Ive ever heard someone say "OMGz Ur A gIrL, pix Plz" to her.

So? That's power right there - you show them your boobs and they worship you. Is it that bad? I know you are all like "What is on the inside is important" and "I want them to respect me for who they are, not for my boobs", but seriously, that's unused potential if you ask me. And do you really think that guys judge only women based on looks?
Half of my friends like my simply because I am tall (most people in my town are around 5,6 and I am 6,3). And a lot of guys liked Arny back in the day, simply because he was muscular and looked like a badass.

im a 14 year old girl gamer and i have to agree with you guys, on the whole girls dont play video games. From experience with my friends they simply think there are much better things to do. I cant understand this being an avid cs player who often stays up till 2 on fridays and saturdays scrimming with my clan. And as for the "worship" thing, there are four main responses i get from boys when i talk on the mic.

1. OMG ITS A GIRL! I DIDNT KNOW GIRLS PLAYED CS! OMG OMG OMG (mostly preteens as you can imagine)
2. Your not a girl. Your a boy. Girls dont play cs. Your just a preteen fag whos balls havnt dropped (this repeatedly until muted)
3. Go back to the kitchen where you belong u slutty piece of shit (u can imagine the response this gets)
4. Cool a girl. (proceeds to act normally, if not a bit more polite)

So yes i am an example of a girl who loves computer and console games but i am one of few. If your one of the guys who is no. 4, be polite and the girls will love you. If your a no. 3 on the other hand you can go f*** a tree :D

Btw games i love - CS, COD4, Portal, Doom, Duke Nukem (grew up on this lol), Pyschonauts, Halo series, Gears of War and pokemon :)

"I have found some older data that suggests that 16% of the game is female, which is closer to what I've heard (and if you have played any type of MMO (EQ2, City of Heroes, WoW, etc, you damn well know half of the people playing are not women). I think you may be confusing the guys that play female characters. You can check it out here: http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/archives/001369.php"

I can't now remember where I've seen it, but the figure I've read about had a much larger test group (close to 10k) where the final figure was 36%. But since I can't remember where I read it...

It's often been said that girls (isn't it interesting, btw, that female gamers are generally refered to as "girls" while male gamers are generally refered to as "men"? ^^) prefer games where social interaction is a key element, something no one can deny is a big part of MMOs and WoW in particular.

"This is the 30000 topic about this. Think of something else pls.
Now....."

...as opposed to every other topic 'round here? : )

Go make a "favorite persistant world"-thread. I don't think that's floated to the top for a while : P

I'm more interested as to why you cared enough to make that post. Do you feel your masculinity is threatened in some way? ^^

Couldn't let this slide by...

dreamshark:

Many of my daughter's girl friends liked computer games, but none of them had the kind of gaming obsessiveness you often see in boys. Only one of those girls likes action/horror games. But all of them (including the one that likes FPS) loved playing adventure games TOGETHER, working cooperatively to solve puzzles. I know it's a cliche that girls prefer cooperative play to competitive play, but my observations certainly support that. Do boys ever play computer games that way?

My friends and I are competitive as all hell, and it's been that way ever since I can remember playing games with friends. Didn't matter what the game was: racing, puzzle, shooter, platformer...if it had options of playing together, we competed. Even when we were SUPPOSED to co-operate, there was a competition going on. There was SOME way to compare ourselves to each other. Kill count, Score, Time completed, number of X object grabbed, number of times died, there was always something to compare each other to. Heck, I remember playing 4 swords on the gamecube. We spent an hour killing each other over and over again over gems in one dungeon. But that's for another time..

My friends, you might ask? Mostly guys. Though, we knew some girls who'd play. They weren't as cut-throat, but they'd compete just the same. I think it has a lot to do with personality. I'm a pretty competitive person. Used to be more so in the past...I've tried not to be so cut-throat in recent years.

This is not about gaming but it seems similar, so I'll toss it in. At the motorcycle dealership where I bought my bike, they now carry a full line of women's and girl's dirt bike gear in color combos like baby blue and silver, and pink and cream. The sizes go from adult women's sizes all the way down to suits for 4-5 year old girls. At first I was like, "God, why does everyone always go with the pink whenever they make stuff for girls?" but then I thought, "Wait, what they are basically telling everyone is that they expect every kind of girl, tomboys and girly types alike, to participate. Now that's cool." The reason they started carrying the line is that the dirt bike meets they go to have more and more girls, and in the youngest divisions, it's pretty much 50/50 girls and boys.

I expect that we are going to see more an more girls start with "girly" games like Sims (and Spore I wonder?) and then get curious about Halo or Half-Life or WoW, so they check it out and - hey, this is fun! I'm curious to see how much of this shows up as a "pink helmet" factor of some sort unapologetic, ass-kicking femininity, and how much of it will be "one of the boys."

Also, I think game companies really want to appeal to potential girl gamers because, hello? Can you say HUGE UNTAPPED MARKET? But every time they try, they fail. My suggestion? One article on kneeslider.com asked what women wanted in motorcycles and gear, and all the responses boiled down to better quality, better design, and more customizability and options. Sounds a lot like what everyone wants in a game, doesn't it? So I would say to game developers, "If you want more women to play your game, make a better game."

Girl gamers do live and roam this planet (shock) and any girl who find the colour pink attractive is a freak.
I love to play on just about any game a console can offer. In fact I'm beating my brother on most games we have, I don't sit on the 360 all day but I do enjoy playing.Halo 1, 2 & 3 are on the list of games I play as are Forza 1 & 2, Assassin's Creed, Gears of War and others. Most games I play involve killing people and I thoroughly enjoy it, I despise games such as the Sims and Viva Pinata and believe that someone should take a very course scouring pad to them.

PC Gamer (UK) did an article about this a few months ago and they found that differences between how male and female eye sight has evolved makes a difference. A man's eye sight is more developed for focusing on objects straight infront of the person but is lacking in periphial vision but female vision is better for focusing on items anywhere in the field of view.

Anothe tid-bit they brought up was the only game where half the players were male or female was The Longest Journey.

Possible reasons for women not being into gaming...
1) Gaming lends itself better to things which men tend to be into, like violence, highly competitive anything, car racing, sports etc. If you look at the non-computer games little boys play there are usually about a million computer games relating to them, whereas for games little girls play there's the Sims and that's about it. I don't know if this is a socialisation thing or what, but for whatever reason a lot fewer women enjoy pretending to shoot people, crash cars etc. Also, because most people who spend money on games are men, games are targeted at them, hence the killing and sports and also scantily clad female characters. I tend to avoid playing female avatars since they always end up with armour that wouldn't even keep them warm let alone protect them.
2) The vicious circle where girls don't play games, so they don't introduce them to their friends, little sisters etc. Having a boyfriend who's into gaming isn't the same, since most women would automatically categorise gaming as 'guy thing I'd find really boring' along with watching football, watching youtube videos of people getting injured, drinking contests and so forth. Related to this, I think it's harder for women to get into gaming since people tend to assume we're not interested, and if we play like noobs at first it's assumed that it's cos we have vaginas rather than cos everyone is crap when they first start playing.
3) For whatever reason I think women are much more reluctant to 'waste' hours on end gaming. the percentage of women who are into casual games is very high, I think because we are happy to while away 15 minutes or so playing Bejeweled, but not an entire weekend on some more complex game. This is partly because we still end up doing most of the housework and childcare but also most women just want to go out and do stuff rather than sit around on the couch. (You know how your girlfriend is always wanting the two of you to go out and do things?)
4) Internet cafes are usually gross.
5) A way too high proportion of male gamers have very limited social skills, especially around women, which can be seriously off putting. Lots can act like normal people, but there's a few too many who react to female gamers with either a) you're into gaming?! that's so weird!! or b) will you marry me?
We just want to play, okay? We're not in this to find boyfriends or discuss gender politics.

MikeyW:
None of my female friends play games. None have even tried. They just all say no whenever they are asked. Is this because games genuinely don't appeal to the gentler sex or is it more of a social conditioning thing. Before i get people crying out to me "My g/f sister cousin soforth plays games, your an idiot" I'm talking about the general whole. Personally I think it comes from a society that still clings to the archaic ideas that it is bad for a female to be competitive. Any thoughts on the subject?

Before you can even take the whole male/female stereotypes into account you gotta introduce gaming to non gamers, star with simple games...and try to match the game with the person while keeping it simple.

If you do planed events with your friends plan out a gaming sleep over and get out the library or rent some titles.

As for stereotypes meh there over rated non gamers are fickle things party games and multiplayer co op games would eb a good way to try and entice them to at least try, action adventure/action titles would be a good 2nd like DMC, Onimushia, RE, Otogi, Castlvina, ect these and some RPGs would be a good follow up to general fun titles like Mario,Zelda,and party games.

In a group tho I would focus more on multi player games.

Also Odd world strangers wrath is silly and cute(but dark) game, the humor can get stale(a lot of gay prison jokes) but has a varatiy of gameplay styles it might be cute enough to get some interested in checking out games.

Im a female gamer myself,and i have been one all my life. Guess it comes to growing up in a family of gamers..all my cousins,friends and family have always played digital games, and i remember getting a gameboy and a ps1 exactly when they were on for sale. Since that day ,ive always loved games, especially First person shooters,rpgs,and platformers. But yes indeed,there are a lack of female gamers,probably because at this age (im 18) , most girls are too busy trying to chat men up at bar s here and there to actually care about anything that doesnt have to do with their sex appeal (i know for a fact since some of my female friends admit it themselves). Oh well,their loss tbh !!

Aumichan:
I'm surprised that gaming is a mostly male dominated field. I love gaming. Even the shoot outs of zombies like resident evil, odd most girls find them disturbing.

according to me ,the more the gore,the better the game :) Gives me a good way to release frustration !

I think the main reason I (a girl) became a gamer is because my dad and my brother are total geeks and I found it necessary as I grew up to mercilessly defeat them at their favorite games. Call it familial rivalry if you like.

I know a lot of girls that play games though I wouldn't necessarily label them 'gamers' they have game cubes, play stations ect. and play games that usually involve whacking your enemy with a big key or being a tiny green boy who likes to play the harmonica or whatever the hell that thing is. I personally only play PC games (unless you count my pitiful attempts at random button mashing)

I agree the more gore in a game the better. Blood and guts combined with beautiful graphics usually result in me not leaving my room for a good couple of days. I know there are other girls out there who feel the same, (or else the PMS clan and the Frag Dolls would not exist) I've even met a few at Lan Parties. But I think most girls just weren't exposed to games like I was. If I was just learning how to play a computer game at my age (16) and I sucked (which lets face it we all did at some point) I would probably abandon the game immediately and do something else that didn't make me feel like such a idiot. but hey thats just me.

I play alot of TF2, true there arent alot of girls playing, but there are a few on the servers I play o. I know there are alot who play CS though. Also check out www.hotgamergirls.com, theres your proof that girl gamers exist :)

In my life, I've owned a SNES, N64, Sega Saturn (RIP), GameBoy original (the big gray one), GBA, Nintendo DS, Wii and PS2.

I kinda slept through the N64-Saturn era (I only owned Zelda) and only picked up the PS2 a couple of years ago. I was in college, in a sci-fi lit class, when several guys brought their GameCube and XBoxes to class, all in the name of 'research'.

All the girls left, expect myself. When I saw how far graphics (the guys were playing Metroid Prime) had advanced, I cried 'ME WANT' and bought myself a slim down PS2. It felt good getting back in the saddle after so long, because I had good memories of playing Nights and Mario with my girl friends, but also because I felt that if I didn't go back to gaming, I was going to be seriously left behind.

So far, I focus on action/adventure games, but as I research games that I never played when I was a kid, I've found that stuff like the Final Fantasy and Prince of Persia to rock. RPGs are my bread and butter, but RE4 Wii was made of awesome and I want more of it. I also own the Half-Life series and Portal (thanks, Orange Box!), Guild Wars and The Sims 2. And wherever Kingdom Hearts goes, I shall follow.

Games I didn't like included GTA San Andreas and some crappy RPG that seemed to be ported right from an arcade. GTA was too gangsta, and the RPG looked too cheap. Basically, I'll play anything, as long as it looks good and I can relate, even a little bit.

I must say, the true irony is that while I am usually very... For a lack of a better phrase, femenine in a masculine way, I am the complete opposite in video games. For example, my Morrowind character carries at least eight outfits, not counting enchanted robes and armor, and is subjected to my every asthetic whim, often dressed in various pastel colors with skirts being the ideal. On MMORPGs, I have trouble playing anything except a healing character, and always wind up tagging along with my higher-level friends, acting like a dainty little maiden while they protect me.
In reality, however, my wardrobe is pretty much: Black, Black, Black leather jacket x2, black suede jacket, and big, unbecoming-but-unbelievably-warm jacket.

Now I myself move in somewhat different circles to most people, but I still find that a lot of my female friends don't play games. Among the ones that do, about half play in a manner that would be considered 'obsessive'. I myself (A female, for those who have not guessed.) first got into gaming through Starcraft, Duke Nukkem, Commander Keen and Worms back in the good old days when I was a younger child. Progressing through the stage of Age of Empires, Baldur's Gate and the like, I now play Starcraft, Psychonauts, Deus Ex, Half-life, Silent Hill, Unreal Tournament and whatever else I feel like at the time. Of all of these, I'd say my Unreal Tournament and Deus Ex addictions are the most obsessive.

I have yet to actually -buy- the Orange Box, but I also have yet to achieve the financial level that permits such a thing to drop into my lap so I can salivate over it. Playing Portal at a friend's place simply made me crave.

Dectilon:
I can't now remember where I've seen it, but the figure I've read about had a much larger test group (close to 10k) where the final figure was 36%. But since I can't remember where I read it...

Last I read regarding online PC games was that over half of the gamers were female. A high percentage of those will be casual games, but certainly an increasing percentage of gamers are female. The level of female gamers will probably also increase as games get better. Let's face it, men are much more easily entertained than are women.

werepossum:

Let's face it, men are much more easily entertained than are women.

Hey, that's not true! Men have a totally complex...ooo, a rubber band!

Erana:

In reality, however, my wardrobe is pretty much: Black, Black, Black leather jacket x2, black suede jacket, and big, unbecoming-but-unbelievably-warm jacket.

You do realize that you just fit yourself into what everyone thinks about the stereotypical gamer right? Black, black, black, hates society, free thinking, everyone just falls into the pack, blah blah blah. I'm not saying you are personally like that, but I find it funny that when people are wearing all black, lots of people think that (unless you are actually open minded and understand that is no true conformity, which let's face it, I can count how many people think that on one hand).

Necrohydra:

werepossum:

Let's face it, men are much more easily entertained than are women.

Hey, that's not true! Men have a totally complex...ooo, a rubber band!

I bet someone with a laser pointer could keep you entertained for hours. Hey! *pounce* What? *pounce* Gettit! *pouncepouncepounce*

mshcherbatskaya:

Necrohydra:

werepossum:

Let's face it, men are much more easily entertained than are women.

Hey, that's not true! Men have a totally complex...ooo, a rubber band!

I bet someone with a laser pointer could keep you entertained for hours. Hey! *pounce* What? *pounce* Gettit! *pouncepouncepounce*

Well thats hardly fai... ooh, something shiny! Heh, well, my attention span lasts.. well, I've so many unfinished CS, DoD and now TF2 maps on my comp its somewhat depressing. Thats something; how many female programmers are there out there? Because that may be an interesting statistic to find out..

Just wondering...
Are there any questions you'd like to ask the women gamers here at the Escapist?

Ah, the debate of decades...
It's certainly true that a lot less girls seem to play games than guys, I have a few theories...

1. Girls tend to do lots more socially. Maybe this is by virtue of being a girl, but growing up I always found that girls would go shopping, walk around aimlessly talking, go to the cinema, just spend the day at each others' houses doing whatever came to mind... whereas boys tended to go for playing sports, going to the pub, or cramming five of themselves onto a two-seater sofa with a consignment of XBox controllers. If I ever played games with my non-gamer girl friends, it was usually fifteen minutes of "oh you have to see this, it's so cool", after which we'd go get a drink and sit in the garden laughing at strangers.

2. Girls often get bored of FPSs and RTSs. I can't stand FPSs for the most part - there are only so many ways you can shoot someone, and after a few minutes, you run out, and it just feels like a grind. If you're going to play a game in which you kill people, you might at least do it with style - sneaking up on someone and knifing them is much more satisfying than shooting them from behind a Conveniently Placed In The Middle Of Nowhere wall of sandbags. I love RTSs, but I know most of my female friends get instantly turned off by anything describable as a "war game".

3. Many girls are quieter in games. We don't feel the need to confirm the presence of our breasts by calling anyone else with them a dyke - so there goes a large percentage of ingame chatter :p .

4. I forgot this one.

5. I forgot this one too.

6. Most of the girl gamers I know adore RPGs. A few play MMORPGs, but a lot just play one HELL of a lot of Oblivion. I guess there are less multiplayer RPGs than other games? It pretty much rules out XBox Live for a start.

Well as said, all these apply to *most* girls *I* know, so you can stop typing "I'm a girl and this is all BS!!!" now - but just a few thoughts.

As for the people who suggested it was mostly social influence.. well I can't comment on now, because now, at the age of 16, I look at small children and think "Their parents should be shot. wtf is that?? This kid is five! It should be playing with xyz, not smoking on my front garden!". But when I was a kid, it was definitely the case that boys played runescape and girls played the Sims. Not sure why, but the sexism theory holds water.
(Incidentally, I was saved from this stereotype by joining a Sims 2 forum, becoming friendly with a few staff/veteran members; who then proceeded to inform me that they were staff because they loved the forum, and hated the game. Then they held my head under the water of C&C, Morrowind and Dungeon Seige 2 for a while, and I emerged choking in disgust at my own previous bad taste in games.)

Female programmers - I know about four serious (ie professional) male programmers, and two female ones. Not sure if this is generally accurate but it fits the stereotype.

Erana:
Just wondering...
Are there any questions you'd like to ask the women gamers here at the Escapist?

Yes. Your measurements *shot* Actually, No. *thinks* What is iČ?

Female programmers - I know about four serious (ie professional) male programmers, and two female ones. Not sure if this is generally accurate but it fits the stereotype.

Yeh 2-1 ratio seems about right tbh.

I am girl. I play games.

Not many games, but the ones I do play I play religiously, faithfully, and constantly. My favorite franchise for a long time was "Devil May Cry" though the 4th one is good ONLY because it reminds me of the 3rd one, which I loved. The plotholes and gaps in logic do make me cry though. Ocarina of Time was the game that got me into games, though I played Myst and Under a Killing Moon when I was younger. My favorite recent game is "Assassin's Creed" because it is beautiful and wonderful and I don't care if it's not perfect, I love it anyway. And if Ubi Montreal does not get to keep it and make the sequel, I will kick several people in the balls.

As for girl game designers, the two main programmers of Portal are women. Young women too: scouted by Valve as students.

Can we not divide Gamers into "real gamers" and "girl gamers?" Can't we all just be gamers here?

Thank you.

I think I've previously said I don't classify myself as a gamer so much as someone with a lot of time on their hands and a very geeky outlook on life. However I know from long experience (yes, mid eighties and now I feel oh so old) that girls are in the minority on the gaming front...at least in the online gaming front, which I suppose is the only way to judge it. If your boyfriend says "Try Portal woman!" and you wah about it initially and ignorantly say it looks like the dozen other games he's tried to shovel you into getting involved with you'll never know. I lost almost a week of my life playing that and going "WHEEE!" But essentially I got my face taped to the monitor and I realised there was more to life than Baldurs Gate and boyhood doesn't consist entirely of Duke Nukem...and I'll leave a big pause here for everyone who wants to laugh so hard their pants explode.

Slash end pause.

Girly gamers, as I've found them, tend to like puzzle games, the RPG side of MMORPGs and anything that in fact uses their brain rather than insane "KILL" response techniques. They work with strategy rather than going "YO T32342 GEAR BITCH EAT MAH DOTS" and focussing on finishing the game. They enjoy the same things as guys, but they actually take the time to enjoy it.

I'm not sure why women and girls play video games less then guys. The second I walked into an arcade when I was 6, I was hooked forever. My mom actually working there and her boss giving us handfuls and handfuls of free tokens might have had something to do with it. But I digress. It's probably just the "boys play with games and girls play with dolls" stereotype.

Plus the gaming industry is geared toward males and so is the advertising. Which makes sense actually since the majority of their consumers are males but it has the downfall of not really attracting little girls. And the games geared specifically to females are usually horrendous. I'm not talking about cutesy sim type games. Killing beholders is spectacular but raising cows is pretty fun too (haha). Case in point:

http://blog.wired.com/games/2006/11/games_4_girls_a.html

Sure focused towards little girls and on the DS no less, but still. Even the casual games made for girls suck. So in the end, I think it's a combination of conditioning as a child and what games or lack there of that girls and later women are exposed to.

This has most likely been covered, but im a girl gamer and im into just about all genres, we are a rare breed, not non-existant just unevenly represented. im the only one I know, the reason i tend to not be overt about my gaming is beacaue it tends to desexualise you, online is different but off, the guys see me as one of them, and i want to be a girl AND a gamer.

To all the girl gamers who have been treated 'a certain way' because they're a girl...

Go on a game and create a very male character, no matching colours (unless it's black) and one that screams testosterone; now join a pick up group and see if there's a difference, both good and bad.

Please. It did wonders for my girlfriends view of things.

One little thing about the 'how many female gamers are out there' researches; the outcomes depend heavily on what the researchers see as games. If we only include games that you buy in a (online) shop, the mainstream games, yeah, girls get nowhere near 50%. But some researchers also include solitaire, which you can find on every PC, and those little flash games. And in that case, a LOT of women game. Most women I know regularly play a bit of solitaire on their computers. Often also play a bit of flash games. Now, people could say 'but that's no a game'. And I'd reply; 'why not?'.

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Girlysprite:
One little thing about the 'how many female gamers are out there' researches; the outcomes depend heavily on what the researchers see as games. If we only include games that you buy in a (online) shop, the mainstream games, yeah, girls get nowhere near 50%. But some researchers also include solitaire, which you can find on every PC, and those little flash games. And in that case, a LOT of women game. Most women I know regularly play a bit of solitaire on their computers. Often also play a bit of flash games. Now, people could say 'but that's no a game'. And I'd reply; 'why not?'.

Because EA isn't making money from them, duuh.
Well, they are games, but they're not games. I think for them to be classed as a game its gotta have taken months of development and cost lots of money. Well, maybe, who knows, the think-tanks that come up with this crap are bound to know.
I'm Probably retreading the same spongy ground here, but gaming is a male dominated past-time, and women are the minority, and as long as men are in charge, things will only change slowly. Cos me man like smash. smash good. women no smash.

mshcherbatskaya:

Necrohydra:

werepossum:

Let's face it, men are much more easily entertained than are women.

Hey, that's not true! Men have a totally complex...ooo, a rubber band!

I bet someone with a laser pointer could keep you entertained for hours. Hey! *pounce* What? *pounce* Gettit! *pouncepouncepounce*

That will only end in tragedy. Most likely involving a window and a box of rusty nails.

In reality, I typically finish what I start and don't get too distracted from it. Oh, I'll get BORED with something and leave it for a while, but I always come back to it.

@DreamerM: That's funny, because the first question out of my mouth isn't *You're a girl and play games!?*, but, *So, what games do you play?* Much like I'd ask any other person who claims they game. If I wasn't playing a game in the first place...

Necrohydra:

mshcherbatskaya:

Necrohydra:

werepossum:

Let's face it, men are much more easily entertained than are women.

Hey, that's not true! Men have a totally complex...ooo, a rubber band!

I bet someone with a laser pointer could keep you entertained for hours. Hey! *pounce* What? *pounce* Gettit! *pouncepouncepounce*

That will only end in tragedy. Most likely involving a window and a box of rusty nails.

@DreamerM: That's funny, because the first question out of my mouth isn't *You're a girl and play games!?*, but, *So, what games do you play?* Much like I'd ask any other person who claims they game. If I wasn't playing a game in the first place...

Blessed are the easily amused, for they shall never be bored.

Oooh look, that spot on the wall looks sorta like a doggy when I squint!

@Necrohydra: glad to see were on the same wavelength. If the topic at hand is games, lets talk games.

My dad is a huge geek, as I have stated above, and when my step-mom decided that she was tired of just watching she jumped head long into the Call of Duty and Medal of Honor scenes (she can kick my dad's ass in thease games, its hilarious) We even used to have family ravensheild tournaments which she herself ushually won if only becuse the rest of us (mainly me) decided that just jumping into the room full of terrorists and mowing them down with bullets was more fun then sneeking around them (I suffer from Tank Mentality Syndrome). Anyway my point was that my step mom never would have looked twice at call of Duty if she hadn't married such a geek, and it took about a year before she decided she was good enough to play multiplayer anything. Most girls are socal beings and I don't think playing solo like my step mom did would intrest many of them and no one likes to get their ass kicked at a game over and over again, I know becuse thats the reason I refuse to play consol games.