OHC:

Captain_Planet:
Every vegetarian I know is a self-rightous militant crusader

No, it's just me so far.

You obviously haven't known me for long.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.73537?page=1

Good times.

The reason many people don't like vegetarians is that sometimes vegetarians can be pretentious and act with a holier than thou attitude. I know that this isn't always the case but still...

Shivari:

OHC:

Captain_Planet:
Every vegetarian I know is a self-rightous militant crusader

No, it's just me so far.

You obviously haven't known me for long.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.73537?page=1

Good times.

Ah, pleased to meet you :-)

You might like this then: http://www.cafepress.com/nomeatplease

Well I have a cousin who is a pretty alright person, and she's a vegetarian. To me, as long as you don't cross the line from being a vegetarian/vegan into being a vegeterrorist, you're A-OK. I can respect you're not wanting to eat/use whatever if you respect my right to want to. People on both sides usually are nice enough to not cause trouble over it in social situations.

The problem isn't what you believe; much like with religion, it's whether or not you force other people to conform. Giving me a pamphlet is fine, but attacking people and their coats with spraypaint is unacceptable. Those kind of people don't value human life any more than Al-Qaeda.

Shivari:

OHC:

Captain_Planet:
Every vegetarian I know is a self-rightous militant crusader

No, it's just me so far.

You obviously haven't known me for long.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.73537?page=1

Good times.

So we "meat" again...

=.=

I only heckle people I know about it, it's just fun to make fun of people, although not in a nasty bullying way, it's just a ongoing joke between me and all veggies I know

From a serious stand point I don't understand the want not to eat meat;
> there's no other natural source with enough protein to sustain the human body healthily, well with a reasonable amount of said substance, a good chicken breast has about 40 grams protein, whereas a egg (best non-meat (technically) source of protein) has 3ish grams, big difference

> From a religious stand point, I think some where in genesis it says about eating anything except the fruits of one tree, and seeing man was created with K9's at the front, these teeth rip up meat, why would god have given us hem if not to eat meat

> From a Atheist's evolutionary stand point, the teeth at the front of the mouth (K9's) are for ripping up meat, why else would we have them if not to eat meat? They've developed over the centuries to make the eating of meat easier

sms_117b:

> From a religious stand point, I think some where in genesis it says about eating anything except the fruits of one tree, and seeing man was created with K9's at the front, these teeth rip up meat, why would god have given us hem if not to eat meat

The biblical standpoint on food differs with each book. In Leviticus (I forget the chapter/verse) it says you can only eat animals of cloven or parted hoof, animals with scales and birds that don't eat flesh, but in Verses, God says it is fine to eat anything you want so long as the meat doesn't have blood in it.

Best not to pay too much attention to the diets described in the bible I think.

I'm cool with vegetarians.
I am not cool with vegetarians that accuse me of killing animals or try to convince me to their ways.
So yeah, I hate vegetarians that criticize me for not being one.

wewontdie11:

sms_117b:

> From a religious stand point, I think some where in genesis it says about eating anything except the fruits of one tree, and seeing man was created with K9's at the front, these teeth rip up meat, why would god have given us hem if not to eat meat

The biblical standpoint on food differs with each book. In Leviticus (I forget the chapter/verse) it says you can only eat animals of cloven or parted hoof, animals with scales and birds that don't eat flesh, but in Verses, God says it is fine to eat anything you want so long as the meat doesn't have blood in it.

Best not to pay too much attention to the diets described in the bible I think.

Let`s not mix up biology and religion.
We have pointy teeth, it`s for eating meat no doubt just like herbivores don`t have pointy teeth. However, humans also have large brains and can make choices and thus overrule instincts. Thus, it is fine for a vegetarian to choose to not eat meat, and it`s also fine for a non-vegetarian to eat meat.
I see no subject to hating in here. If you get hate for being a vegetarian while not bothering others for it, I apologize in their name.

wewontdie11:
I am a vegetarian and have been for the majority of my life so far (since I was 8). None of my family are vegetarian or are animal activists or anything, but one day I just decided that I didn't like the taste or texture of meat when I was eating it anymore.

My question is why do so many people have so much hate for vegetarians? A lot of my acquaintances constantly berate me for my eating preferences like some kind of amateur food Nazis, but I fail to see how it is different from not liking, for example, bananas or turnip. Even the really hardcore, morally orientated vegetarians and vegans have the right to eat what they want, and although it is not my view, I understand and respect their not wanting to kill animals. I feel this to be a perfectly reasonable point of view.

So I ask you, why the hate?

now i come from a long line of vegetarians, not family wise, i am in high school and guess whats the new fad over here right now. I dont think we just pick on vegeterians because they are what they are. Now of course i aint no vegeterian, neither will i ever be, i love my meat and every thing about it, but neither will i insult another vegeterian for as long as they dont deserve it. But most vegetarians, maybe not you or any one you know preach. By preaching i mean they constantly go around spewing out animal rights and saying how we shouldnt eat them and what have you. Its them that get picked on for sure and probably its because of them vegetarians are so picked on today. So in one last work Fuck you PETA

I'm a vegetarian and my mates are constantly on my back for it "yummy meeaat" and all that lark. I'm not one of those vegeterrorists, infact I don't even really like animals apart from the odd penguin or squirrel. The main reason I'm a vegetarian is I couldn't walk up to a cow, zap it, cut it to pieces and eat it, I just don't have it in me, and for that reason I don't eat it. However if I went fishing, I'd probably kill the bugger and eat it.

I'm not sure if its true but I was told by a crazy vegan girl who was ranting at me, that the reason people like meat so much is because it releases an feel good enzyme that's been around for ages. This enzyme was like a pat on the back for hunting and taking an animal down..But she could of been insane..

kanada514:

wewontdie11:

sms_117b:

> From a religious stand point, I think some where in genesis it says about eating anything except the fruits of one tree, and seeing man was created with K9's at the front, these teeth rip up meat, why would god have given us hem if not to eat meat

The biblical standpoint on food differs with each book. In Leviticus (I forget the chapter/verse) it says you can only eat animals of cloven or parted hoof, animals with scales and birds that don't eat flesh, but in Verses, God says it is fine to eat anything you want so long as the meat doesn't have blood in it.

Best not to pay too much attention to the diets described in the bible I think.

Let`s not mix up biology and religion.
We have pointy teeth, it`s for eating meat no doubt just like herbivores don`t have pointy teeth. However, humans also have large brains and can make choices and thus overrule instincts. Thus, it is fine for a vegetarian to choose to not eat meat, and it`s also fine for a non-vegetarian to eat meat.
I see no subject to hating in here. If you get hate for being a vegetarian while not bothering others for it, I apologize in their name.

Oh no I totally agree with you that it's blatantly obvious we have evolved to become omnivorous in quite a few ways, teeth, enzymes, bacteria and such forth in the digestive system and the appendix losing use probably had something to do with an increasingly carnivorous diet as well, but I was merely attempting to expand upon the ambiguity surrounding food in the bible.

Shivari:

OHC:

Captain_Planet:
Every vegetarian I know is a self-rightous militant crusader

No, it's just me so far.

You obviously haven't known me for long.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.73537?page=1

Good times.

For the first ten pages before it devolved into a mass of repeated arguments, perhaps :(

OHC:

Amnestic:
Hitler was a vegetarian and you instigated the murder of millions.

BZZT. Hitler was forced into a vegetarian diet by his doctor for a brief time for health reasons. Nice try though.

Ah, I see, so vegetarians who are vegetarians for health reasons aren't real vegetarians by your viewpoint then? Interesting.

Edit: Oh, and I request a source supporting said statement above, considering this is the first instance I've heard of such a thing.

I don't MIND vegetarians. I don't care what they eat. I don't even care if they try to get me to give up meat.

It's fine if they do, I can accept that vegetarian diets may or may not offer a healthier lifestyle. But I can't eat vegetables. Or fruits.

The only time I dislike vegetarians is when they try to get me to eat their food, because they think I'm childish or being stupid for not eating vegetables, no matter how many times I explain that I can't eat either. I can eat in very little doses, but If I eat say, a piece of carrot and then another one right after that, I may have to spend the afternoon in the bathroom.

If they wouldn't do that, I'd be fine with all of them.

I hate it when the ONLY reason they have of being a vegetarian is that they read one of those books about the meat industry.

Tells a lot about one's mental capacity.

Generally, I don't hate vegitarians at all. Like anything in life, its when people use it to look down or condescend towards me that I feel a bit of resentent. If these two things don't appear, I don't hate. Simple.

Vegetarianism is good for the enviroment... Actually, cutting down on meat in general is good for the enviroment... And for you health...

Vegetarians are tasty with BBQ sauce.

axia777:
Vegetarians are tasty with BBQ sauce.

Agreed.

MagnetoHydroDynamics:
Vegetarianism is good for the enviroment... Actually, cutting down on meat in general is good for the enviroment... And for you health...

I'd like to see a source for the first claim. As to the second, cutting down on meat is only good for your health if you're currently eating a stupid amount of it. Too much of anything is bad for you. If you drink somewhere around 16 gallons of water in an hour, you'll die from water poisoning. Does this mean that cutting down on your water consumption is good for you? No. It just means that you shouldn't be stupid and drink 16 gallons in an hour. Eating three steaks a day will very likely lead to heart problems. However, eating meat in moderation along with the rest of the food groups is, in fact, quite healthy for you. There's a reason that meat is in the food pyramid. If you want to avoid meat and are willing to do what you need to do in order to make up for the missing nutrients, have at it. But don't make baseless claims that your diet is healthier than mine.

Woo! Another "Why the hate?" thread! I'm addicted to posting in these things, so bad but so good.

I don't hate vegetarianism, just -some- vegetarians who behave holier-than-thou about their choices, criticizing mine under the presumption that I could not possibly criticize theirs.

I have moments of reflection that meat eating is strange. I have no bad feelings towards people who eat horse or dog or cat, they're just doing what others do with cow and pig and sheep.

Quick hypothetical - If there were such thing as a feral human on earth which provably had nothing resembling homo sapiens intelligence, no legal protection or family capable of lawsuits, would you approve of the killing/eating of them? Would you do so yourself?

For me the answer is probably no, but meat eating in general comes naturally - it feels natural, probably because I'm descended from those who have. I have a fancy brain that tells me I can be contrary however, and I will or will not as is -my- 'right'.

sms_117b:
> there's no other natural source with enough protein to sustain the human body healthily,

Bullshit.

Soy has a lot of protein, so do nuts, beans, milk, etc.

Oh, and you don't need 40g of protein in a single meal. You know what your body does with extra protein? It goes down the toilet. Everyone these days gets way more protein than they ever need anyway. Just because you're taking in 120g of protein a day doesn't mean you need half of that.

liquidmetal:
However, eating meat in moderation along with the rest of the food groups is, in fact, quite healthy for you. There's a reason that meat is in the food pyramid. If you want to avoid meat and are willing to do what you need to do in order to make up for the missing nutrients, have at it. But don't make baseless claims that your diet is healthier than mine.

Eating meat in moderation is healthy for you, sure, but it's still not as healthy as not having any. It's like, yeah, chocolate is fine in moderation, but not eating it at all would be even better, it is healthier, much more so. You may be perfectly healthy, but I'm even healthier.

Fact.

sms_117b:
> From a Atheist's evolutionary stand point, the teeth at the front of the mouth (K9's) are for ripping up meat, why else would we have them if not to eat meat? They've developed over the centuries to make the eating of meat easier

First off, the whole teeth argument is bullshit. I could take it the other way and say that our teeth are more friendly with other foods. And yes, we used to eat meat, that doesn't mean we should keep doing that, it's not necessary at all.

I hate to be so militant about it*, but when I see people not caring about the amount of animals killed for their taste buds it totally sickens me.

*I actually quite enjoy it.

I am not a strict vegetarian as I do eat eggs but I think its the upbringing that matters when it comes to eating meat/sea food or other stuff. I don't eat meat/sea food because well, I am not used to it my whole life and coupled with a somewhat religious environment, it falls into a 'feels awkward' zone.

Having said that, I am getting closer to eating meat as to be honest, I am getting kinda tired of vegetables :/

I actually love vegetarians. Watching them get all foamy at the mouth while I eat a hamburger makes for good theater.

not eating eggs is more being a vegan than a vegetarian. fundamentally i agree with vegetarians, but if they try any of that "you're killing animals" crap on me i'd have to agree and say innit awesome? cows, sheep and pigs are to be honest smelly buggers who i am quite happy to eat. Don't even get me started n chickens. they're pure 100% evil. the beady eyes and talons... shudder

Shivari:

I hate to be so militant about it*, but when I see people not caring about the amount of animals killed for their taste buds it totally sickens me.

*I actually quite enjoy it.

Wait,If your only point is not just dietary benefit,But also animals being killed for meat, I find that strange.

All things are living, Every little plant,flower,and bacteria even in yeast is a living organism. Now maybe not living in the same way as humans or complex thought but they are still part of life. Unless there lives do not count because they can not voice out there objections? One reason even when I think of eating bread it feels kind of sickening, Thinking about all the bacteria you are eating ending their little microorganism lives.

I really think Jainism views on life is the best way one should live if they are really concerned with all life and not just the top layer of life.

Shivari:
Bullshit.

Soy has a lot of protein, so do nuts, beans, milk, etc.

Oh, and you don't need 40g of protein in a single meal. You know what your body does with extra protein? It goes down the toilet. Everyone these days gets way more protein than they ever need anyway. Just because you're taking in 120g of protein a day doesn't mean you need half of that.

Ok, the ideal amount of protein for a body daily is your mass in KG multiplied by 2 then divided by 1000, well when training for muscle regrowth, generally, when not training, you should be taking in 2/3's of that. I never said you need 40g in a single meal, the most your body can absorb is 30g at a time, I'm just stating chicken breast has about 40g.

per 100g or 250ml;
Chicken has 19g protein.
Soy milk has 10g.
Soybean 3.04g.
hemp, pumpkin and soy nuts have the largest protein content of nuts per 100g.
other statistics evade me, however your point is well seen, touche my friend.

Shivari:
I hate to be so militant about it*, but when I see people not caring about the amount of animals killed for their taste buds it totally sickens me.

*I actually quite enjoy it.

You would really, really hate me, far as some animals are concerned their purpose is that they're bred to be eaten and nothing more, it's because of veggies that most male cow calves don't live very long and are just killed and thrown away, they used to be killed and eaten as a rather tasty delicacy, but now-a-days most people see eating young meat as wrong, seeing the farmers have little to no use for more than one or two bulls, and it's financially enviable to feed something later on you won't need, they're just killed in cold blood.

I'm going to be very blunt, far as I'm concerned I'm up at the top of the food chain, I love eating meat, Shark, Veal, Chicken, Turkey, Cow, Pig, Rabbit, all taste good, and are good for you, in moderation the same as everything else in this world

Sgt. Pepper:
I actually love vegetarians. Watching them get all foamy at the mouth while I eat a hamburger makes for good theater.

Got to try that, sounds fun

Shivari:

sms_117b:
> From a Atheist's evolutionary stand point, the teeth at the front of the mouth (K9's) are for ripping up meat, why else would we have them if not to eat meat? They've developed over the centuries to make the eating of meat easier

First off, the whole teeth argument is bullshit. I could take it the other way and say that our teeth are more friendly with other foods. And yes, we used to eat meat, that doesn't mean we should keep doing that, it's not necessary at all.

I hate to be so militant about it*, but when I see people not caring about the amount of animals killed for their taste buds it totally sickens me.

*I actually quite enjoy it.

Don't do this Shivari, don't turn this into a Meat=Barbaric thread. :( Spend your time elsewhere working on something that will actually make a difference (Robot Dystopia for instance ;D) because if the last thread taught me anything its that people won't be changing their views anytime soon.

Shivari:

I hate to be so militant about it*, but when I see people not caring about the amount of animals killed for their taste buds it totally sickens me.

Whats there to care about?
They're bred to die.

They have no point in life except to be SLAUGHTERED.

Plus, they taste mighty fine cooked southern style. (Which is how it always is cooked here in Georgia)

Why should I care?

All it is is some stupid bovine/pig

I don't hate vegitarians but being allergic to all forms of tasty alternate protien (Fish (I know, still technically meat but lots of Vegi's don't care about fish) and Nuts) I tend to get hostile. Hence I will tell anyone who wants to take away my meat to **** themselves with a *********. Basically to all vegitarians who want to take away my meat, I am NOT eating soy and beans for the rest of my life, fuck you.

Similarly studies have shown that Males cannot safely sustain themselves on a diet of Soy protien because of the estrogen content. It can increase our risks of various cancers because our bodies are not meant to handle that much estrogen.

I don't have vegetarians. I hate pillocks that just so happen to be vegetarians. You can see where the issue comes up.

Mr. Moose:

Shivari:

I hate to be so militant about it*, but when I see people not caring about the amount of animals killed for their taste buds it totally sickens me.

Whats there to care about?
They're bred to die.

They have no point in life except to be SLAUGHTERED.

Plus, they taste mighty fine cooked southern style. (Which is how it always is cooked here in Georgia)

Why should I care?

All it is is some stupid bovine/pig

Whats there to care about?
Humans can be killed.

They have no point in life but eventually die.

So who cares about humans if they eventually die?

It's just some stupid Homo sapien/Human

While Mr. Moose has made an overly hostile statement to vegitarians I will say the following as an unabashed carnivore.

I do not consider animals more important than people or my own health, plain and simple. I do not mind eating a creature that has been bred to supply me with food. We must kill to eat, it is unfortunate but true. I do not feel for animals when I eat them, I do not care that I am eating muscle or blood.

I do however feel that such creatures should NOT be unduly mistreated on their way into my stomach or onto my plate. They're already being bred simply to die, it's a sad existance, and I don't want anyone to make it worse than it already is.

EDIT: I also disagree strongly with hunting, if you MUST hunt for sport, damn well eat what you kill.

PersianLlama:

Mr. Moose:

Shivari:

I hate to be so militant about it*, but when I see people not caring about the amount of animals killed for their taste buds it totally sickens me.

Whats there to care about?
They're bred to die.

They have no point in life except to be SLAUGHTERED.

Plus, they taste mighty fine cooked southern style. (Which is how it always is cooked here in Georgia)

Why should I care?

All it is is some stupid bovine/pig

Whats there to care about?
Humans can be killed.

They have no point in life but eventually die.

So who cares about humans if they eventually die?

It's just some stupid Homo sapien/Human

That is how I feel.

I place cows, dogs, cats, pigs, etc, on the same level of importance as Humans.

That level being the level of little importance.

In the grand scheme of things, our existence on this little blue rock floating in space is pretty unimportant.

EDIT : This does not mean I do not care for the lives of creatures.

What I was saying was in response to Shivari being 'sickened' by the lack of caring that people do about how many animals are killed for food.
I cannot bring myself to care for an animal that would die anyway.

Cattle are specifically bred to be food.
They cannot survive on their own without humans.
They cannot forage, they cannot migrate.
They cannot do anything.

When it comes to Wild animals, I will not eat them unless they are like the deer here in Georgia ( They are overpopulated)

On my view of humans.

Homo Sapien is my least favorite of the Earths creatures, and I am of the mindset that the earth would be better if we dropped our population by a few billion.