PedroSteckecilo: The second anyone says "It's a Satanic Ritual!" they've labled themselves as idiotic. I've known some true Satanists, they're not nearly as scary as you'd think and tend to have a more philosophical outlook than anything. In my American Religious History course the Satanist and Evangelical Christian got along famously... it was very strange.
True. I dated a stanist, she was the most rational thinker I ever met (which sucked for me). I blame parents for misconceptions and people for being morons. I should start a etting pool to see which band will be blamed for the next series of murders (money on Marilyn Manson cuz I hate people who have no gender). Yes I realize he/she/it was already blamed for something, but it will happen again.
It is always a sad day when some poor misguided youngster decides against sticking to his illegal narcotics and moves on to listening to Metal, everyone knows it deprives you of reason & judgment. Truly a sad thing to happen, makes you lose your faith in humanity.
PedroSteckecilo: The second anyone says "It's a Satanic Ritual!" they've labled themselves as idiotic. I've known some true Satanists, they're not nearly as scary as you'd think and tend to have a more philosophical outlook than anything. In my American Religious History course the Satanist and Evangelical Christian got along famously... it was very strange.
True. I dated a stanist, she was the most rational thinker I ever met (which sucked for me). I blame parents for misconceptions and people for being morons. I should start a etting pool to see which band will be blamed for the next series of murders (money on Marilyn Manson cuz I hate people who have no gender). Yes I realize he/she/it was already blamed for something, but it will happen again.
Hmm, you did.
MUST NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT KINK!!!!!!
I'm a satanist and I'd imagine it would be impossible to ever find a date.
Hawgh: It is always a sad day when some poor misguided youngster decides against sticking to his illegal narcotics and moves on to listening to Metal, everyone knows it deprives you of reason & judgment. Truly a sad thing to happen, makes you lose your faith in humanity.
no it doesn't.Well i still think the same after listening to metal for years. Altough i agree about losing faith in humanity,i'm disgusted at this sort of thing,maybe even in humanity in general.
I blame R 'n' B for all the stabbings in Britain recently. I think we should ban all music and self expression, a small minority are murderers, everyone knows that the minority are actually the majority. Did that make sense? No? Good, I proved my point.
why are the parents never blamed? i'd lay bets that the kid was going through a tough time, maybe a divorce, maybe something else. teenage is a hard enough time by itself even for the most adjusted amongst us, and if you have no one to talk to, it just gets a lot worse. i think that if a kid gets his hands on a 60cm long blade and can get it inside school without anyone noticing, a lot more people are to blame rather than a band who are probably passed out at this very moment.
"In an apparent Satanic ritual, a Krugersdorp matriculant "with mad eyes" arrived at school on Monday with several swords and allegedly killed one boy before seriously injuring three more people.
that's not a satanic ritual. You jackass. You people need to learn a little more about satanism. A satanic ritual is done alone or with willing participants and no one is physically harmed in the process, unless it's used for the purpose of destruction, but that definitely does not involve you physically stabbing someone. And I'm not going to half-believe anything this reporter says until then.
but I'm pretty sure their not a satanic band, from the songs I've heard, and yes to be a proper Satanic band you need to burn down a christian church, the exception being if the church was built on a site of worship that belonged to the preceeding Pagan cult.
you're a jackass to. Satanism has no problem with christians, they just think christians are masochists and the ones who have problems with people who do masochistic things during sex or just aren't Christian are in denial. If the church killed anyone related to you however, the religion doesn't STOP you from burning it.
The second anyone says "It's a Satanic Ritual!" they've labled themselves as idiotic. I've known some true Satanists, they're not nearly as scary as you'd think and tend to have a more philosophical outlook than anything. In my American Religious History course the Satanist and Evangelical Christian got along famously... it was very strange.
thank you A satanic ritual never involves the person invoking the ritual stabbing someone.
Hey! Don't you be telling me how to worship Satan. I don't come into your house and tell you how to wash your dishes.
Hey! Don't you be telling me how to worship Satan. I don't come into your house and tell you how to wash your dishes.
so i was wondering, by worshiping satan, do you mean worshiping him as the god? i can understand thinking of him as a prophet of some sorts but god would mean rewriting a lot of the bible.
Hey! Don't you be telling me how to worship Satan. I don't come into your house and tell you how to wash your dishes.
so i was wondering, by worshiping satan, do you mean worshiping him as the god? i can understand thinking of him as a prophet of some sorts but god would mean rewriting a lot of the bible.
Lol, no, that would be far too perverse. Naw, I worship him as the better of my problems. See, let's take a scenerio. I just bought a hooker and a 40oz. What does Christ/God do? He gives me a condescending look and says, "No. Do nothing you like, then when you die, you will become like me, which is technically a robot." However, as I'm pouring vodka on my hooker Satan is giving me a thumbs up. Basically he just presents me with a life more suitable to what benefits me best. A life of happiness, for eternal damnation after it nolonger matters. Live how I want to when I'm alive, exist how he wants me to after I die. I could see him as more of a prophet yes, but when the time comes, he's going to be the guy who tells me what sounds best.
Hey! Don't you be telling me how to worship Satan. I don't come into your house and tell you how to wash your dishes.
so i was wondering, by worshiping satan, do you mean worshiping him as the god? i can understand thinking of him as a prophet of some sorts but god would mean rewriting a lot of the bible.
Lol, no, that would be far too perverse. Naw, I worship him as the better of my problems. See, let's take a scenerio. I just bought a hooker and a 40oz. What does Christ/God do? He gives me a condescending look and says, "No. Do nothing you like, then when you die, you will become like me, which is technically a robot." However, as I'm pouring vodka on my hooker Satan is giving me a thumbs up. Basically he just presents me with a life more suitable to what benefits me best. A life of happiness, for eternal damnation after it no longer matters. Live how I want to when I'm alive, exist how he wants me to after I die. I could see him as more of a prophet yes, but when the time comes, he's going to be the guy who tells me what sounds best.
wow imagine telling that to one of the muslim priests. so basically following satan means a life with no responsibility for the after-life? i'm probably wrong because then a satanist(is that even the correct term?) can commit any crime that a religion would prohibit. but in that case you people would probably look at the state laws, because stealing might seem to lead to happiness, but it might lead to getting jailed in the life here and now, which would be counter-productive to your pursuit of happiness. i know i should be wiking this, but i have never had a conversation with a follower of satan. and btw do you people have a church of your own?
Nah, it's not having no responsibility of the afterlife. Look at it this way, read your Bible, what's in the afterlife? Nothing, or pain, eternal nothing, or eternal pain...... Well, to get the eternal nothing, I must remain sober, abstain from premarital sex, etc. However, to get the eternal pain, I merely have to experiment with alchohol (fun), play video games without constantly dwelling on the fact that it is merely a game and that by playing it I make myself vulnerable to demonic attack, I am allwoed to experiment sexually, etc. It's not a shirk of eternal responsibility, it's an acceptance. Yes I do much more than live how I want to, but most of everything else is more philospohical than physical.
And some people may have chruches for it, but organised religeon has never gone well from what I've seen. So I'd stick, if at all, to groups of 10 at best.
TheNecroswanson: Nah, it's not having no responsibility of the afterlife. Look at it this way, read your Bible, what's in the afterlife? Nothing, or pain, eternal nothing, or eternal pain...... Well, to get the eternal nothing, I must remain sober, abstain from premarital sex, etc. However, to get the eternal pain, I merely have to experiment with alchohol (fun), play video games without constantly dwelling on the fact that it is merely a game and that by playing it I make myself vulnerable to demonic attack, I am allwoed to experiment sexually, etc. It's not a shirk of eternal responsibility, it's an acceptance. Yes I do much more than live how I want to, but most of everything else is more philospohical than physical.
And some people may have chruches for it, but organised religeon has never gone well from what I've seen. So I'd stick, if at all, to groups of 10 at best.
you guys must be the most misrepresented people in history no? i thought of satanists as like the necromancers in oblivion or something. and did you adopt satanism or were you born one? a bit too personal i think but i am just too curious now...
Jesus Christ......*sigh*...I, Bored Tomatoe, do sincerely apologize for the stupid, stupid people that have come to represent america, on behalf of all americans who aren't total idiots, I appologize....
And who blames a band when the kid is clearly higher than a kite???
zirnitra: also how dare they call it satanic music? for it too fill that category the band has to off burnt down at least one church illegally like a proper black metal band...and be from Norway.
Like Burzum =D
And yeah I think it's all bullshit, I've been listening to metal for like 3 years and I've only killed a few people... I mean none...
Its probable that he got high then saw a slipknot music video and said "wow it would be cool if i looked like that" and went outside.
Music is basicly about making good songs and if a song you like tells you to go kill people then somethings wrong in the first place and if you go and do it something is wrong with you.
This has been a "big concern" as here in America for the past 30-40 years. Parents or authority figures place the blame of bad decisions of their kids on music, video games, role playing games, movies, T.V., etc. The idea is that if kids spend so much time on these things they will be influenced to do bad things. You know what there is some truth to it; however, there is no scientific evidence or any other hard evidence for the theory. Sure if you play or listen to the previously mentioned that have tons of killing, violence, or hate speech in it you will undoubtedly become desensitized to some of the ideas. This does not however follow that you or anyone will follow through them. I myself have listened to metal and played violent video games and grew up in a horrible environment. I have not done anything that these games portray and nor do act far out of the "norm." I have known many individuals the same and many of you have undoubtedly done the same and none of us (at least that I know of) have done anything on that level. I believe that people are a sum of their experiences and this often over looked when parents or school reps start blaming things. They do this because they don't know how to except responsibilities for their failures as parents or public leaders. In America we are quick to except the gratitudes and quick to blame for failures. Anyway I could type all day on the subject. Hit me up if you wanna hear more.
"In an apparent Satanic ritual, a Krugersdorp matriculant "with mad eyes" arrived at school on Monday with several swords and allegedly killed one boy before seriously injuring three more people.
that's not a satanic ritual. You jackass. You people need to learn a little more about satanism. A satanic ritual is done alone or with willing participants and no one is physically harmed in the process, unless it's used for the purpose of destruction, but that definitely does not involve you physically stabbing someone. And I'm not going to half-believe anything this reporter says until then.
but I'm pretty sure their not a satanic band, from the songs I've heard, and yes to be a proper Satanic band you need to burn down a christian church, the exception being if the church was built on a site of worship that belonged to the preceeding Pagan cult.
you're a jackass to. Satanism has no problem with christians, they just think christians are masochists and the ones who have problems with people who do masochistic things during sex or just aren't Christian are in denial. If the church killed anyone related to you however, the religion doesn't STOP you from burning it.
The second anyone says "It's a Satanic Ritual!" they've labled themselves as idiotic. I've known some true Satanists, they're not nearly as scary as you'd think and tend to have a more philosophical outlook than anything. In my American Religious History course the Satanist and Evangelical Christian got along famously... it was very strange.
thank you A satanic ritual never involves the person invoking the ritual stabbing someone.
Hey! Don't you be telling me how to worship Satan. I don't come into your house and tell you how to wash your dishes.
Well, are you le-vayon (AHH!! HOW DO YOU SPELL THAT). If so read the satanic bible. There might be some things open to interpretations but it's not like the christian one where squabbles can logically happen over it. if you're some other kind of satanist, whatever.
Exactly. Why the hell would you listen to Slipknot? Now, if you want to worship Satan, Behemoth is the way to go.
behomoth= best name ever.
Lol, no, that would be far too perverse. Naw, I worship him as the better of my problems. See, let's take a scenerio. I just bought a hooker and a 40oz. What does Christ/God do? He gives me a condescending look and says, "No. Do nothing you like, then when you die, you will become like me, which is technically a robot." However, as I'm pouring vodka on my hooker Satan is giving me a thumbs up. Basically he just presents me with a life more suitable to what benefits me best. A life of happiness, for eternal damnation after it nolonger matters. Live how I want to when I'm alive, exist how he wants me to after I die. I could see him as more of a prophet yes, but when the time comes, he's going to be the guy who tells me what sounds best.
now that sounds like a true satanist.
so basically following satan means a life with no responsibility for the after-life? i'm probably wrong because then a satanist(is that even the correct term?) can commit any crime that a religion would prohibit. but in that case you people would probably look at the state laws, because stealing might seem to lead to happiness, but it might lead to getting jailed in the life here and now, which would be counter-productive to your pursuit of happiness.
Following satan means you live this life for this life and you're pretty close to a liberalist if I read it right. NOT AN ANARCHIST.
you guys must be the most misrepresented people in history no? i thought of satanists as like the necromancers in oblivion or something. and did you adopt satanism or were you born one? a bit too personal i think but i am just too curious now...
It's only because satanism is basically the opposite of christianity. . satanism says "if someone smites you on your right cheek you smash them on their right". I interpret that as saying "with a large hammer" that they forgot to mention. And I've always liked black magic in videogames so if we could bring the dead back to life I would've been a satanist when I turned 5.
I know this wasn't twoards me, but I adopted it.
And some people may have chruches for it, but organised religeon has never gone well from what I've seen. So I'd stick, if at all, to groups of 10 at best.
argggghhhh... the church of satanism? that sounds like the worst thing ever.....wait "who wants to have a pre-marital bdsm sex party".....best thing ever!
I say we all dress up in polos and checkered pants and beat the shit out of all those dicks who wanna take away video games and metal and tell em jesus told us to do it
and for god sakes slipnot isnt satanist there just crappy satanists dont even worship satan
HSIAMetalKing: I'd blame the kid's parents before I blamed the music or the drugs.
Well that's just not cool. The problem with drug addict children, is drug addiction HAS NOTHING to do with upbringing. Even when properly educated a teenager will still be tempted to try the forbidden things. And unfortunately if it's hard drugs, one time was all it took for his life to fall apart. Trust me, I've grown up around it.
Um, I do. That's what qualifies me as a Devil Worshiper. Anyone whoc alls themself a Satanist or devil worshipper without actually worshipping Satan, is a poser.... And we jocks hate posers. :P
Okay. Utter bullshit. As always, the media loves to slander. Games, satanism, music, tv, etc. They want us all to read books, and listen to good Christian music. Okay, now you've gone, and pushed it to far. Blaming a religion that has nothing to do with Satan (At least from Anton LeVay's principles.) I've listened to each Slipknot album, none have actually made me want to go out and kill somebody. Can anyone tell me one instance in which a 'satanic' ritual has been conducted? Publicly? Found out about? Anything?
In fact, you know what? I'm going to go pick up the new one tomorrow. Maybe I'll conduct a satanic ritual after a do. :P
I don't think this could be blamed solely on drugs. It would help if they told you want kind of drugs he was using and if he had history of mental illness or was addicted to them. The reasons as to why he did it will come down to the nature/nurture debate.
PlasticPorter: thats not satanism yo you might as well worship the ghost of buddy holly do sum research on your religion
That's facism. Telling me the religeon I choose to follow, simply as it is different than yours, is wrong. Great jorb. Allah is God, just worded differently. I actually pray to Satan, yes it's different than what others "practice" but hey, I'm hardcore like that. Practice your religeon in your way, I'll practice mine in my own, lest you wish for me to hunt you down and tell you how to live your life.
Tl;Dr: Don't tell me my Thessaurus is a Dictionary.
America is big on scapegoats. No one wants to admit that people can just be crazy. Or that some people really are terrible parents and screw up their children.
No, everyone wants to blame something.
"My kid didn't want to kill those thirty seven toddlers, it was the satanic music. Or the violent videogames. Or the violent movies. Or the violent BOOKS!! It sure wasn't my debilitating alcohol dependency and the fact that I hit my wife!! It was the mass media!!"
"But he was such a good boy! Sure he tortured neighbourhood pets, but it was that damn videogame that made him rape that girl!"
EDIT: Oh, this isn't about America, then why is everyone making a point of it. Damn my whole post is null and void now. Well i'm leaving it up anyway because I like the point I made.
HSIAMetalKing: I'd blame the kid's parents before I blamed the music or the drugs.
Well that's just not cool. The problem with drug addict children, is drug addiction HAS NOTHING to do with upbringing. Even when properly educated a teenager will still be tempted to try the forbidden things. And unfortunately if it's hard drugs, one time was all it took for his life to fall apart. Trust me, I've grown up around it.
Um, I do. That's what qualifies me as a Devil Worshiper. Anyone whoc alls themself a Satanist or devil worshipper without actually worshipping Satan, is a poser.... And we jocks hate posers. :P
Technically LaVeyan satanism doesn't worship Satan. I'm not even sure why it's called satanism. Why not LaVeyanism?
Limos: America is big on scapegoats. No one wants to admit that people can just be crazy. Or that some people really are terrible parents and screw up their children.
No, everyone wants to blame something.
"My kid didn't want to kill those thirty seven toddlers, it was the satanic music. Or the violent videogames. Or the violent movies. Or the violent BOOKS!! It sure wasn't my debilitating alcohol dependency and the fact that I hit my wife!! It was the mass media!!"
"But he was such a good boy! Sure he tortured neighbourhood pets, but it was that damn videogame that made him rape that girl!"
EDIT: Oh, this isn't about America, then why is everyone making a point of it. Damn my whole post is null and void now. Well i'm leaving it up anyway because I like the point I made.
Again, Krugersdorp is in South Africa. It's the South African media that is attacking Slipknot on this one-- not the Americans.
True. I dated a stanist, she was the most rational thinker I ever met (which sucked for me). I blame parents for misconceptions and people for being morons. I should start a etting pool to see which band will be blamed for the next series of murders (money on Marilyn Manson cuz I hate people who have no gender). Yes I realize he/she/it was already blamed for something, but it will happen again.