So you can't sing, can't play an instrument, have a fourth grade vocabulary and still want to be a musician? Have you ever considered Rap?

Darth Mobius:

The Iron Ninja:
I agree with most of what this man had to say (at least about Metalica), The problem is Ares Tyr that for every decent rap/hipity-hopity artist you can name, we (the fellows who don't like said types of music) can name ten bad ones.
I won't argue that Rock music has zero terrible bands, far from it. I just think the ratio of good bands to bad bands is much better for Rock music. Besides, half of the Rock's bad bands are in little sub genres of their own.

But yeah, today's Metal (on the whole) is pretty shit.

Except for that last line, I COMPLETELY disagree with. I find most modern metal to be crap, and few are the bands which have even ONE good song, much less enough to buy a WHOLE CD of their music. So I think it would be best to agree that we like our own particular Genre of music and dislike the other's choice. I won't label modern Metal as shit if you don't label Rap as Shit.

Modern Metal was one of those sub-genres I was talking about.
And Rap is shit.

ReepNeep:
So you can't sing, can't play an instrument, have a fourth grade vocabulary and still want to be a musician? Have you ever considered Rap?

I think you mean punk - Yay generalisation

There are a lot of rappers who can sing, have a backing band and have some pretty smart lyrics

I will once again plug Buck 65.. I urge you to look him up

I might listen to rap one day when the double standard is uplifted. THE ONE WHITE GUY that is a successful rapper can not use the word that you know I am talking about. Yet the other can use it every other word. Eh, I guess white people get to say bad credit while black people get their one word advantage.(If you know what its from, That guy is hilarious:D.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IObykt39Xsc

boink.

Invader Ezri:

Ares Tyr:

Invader Ezri:
I absolutely hate the stuff. I really do. Most of it has a vulgar or stereotypical theme to it, and sometimes I can't even understand the words.

Last rap song I listened to said something about a toaster...

Most of all music genres is awful. Its not fair to make generalizations about the music without shining a light on any of the positive examples of it as an art form.

I apologize for my ignorance. Let me try again. I guess someone somewhere must be able to express themselves intelligently through rap, although I can honestly say I've yet to hear them. I like music, I am a musician myself. Just not that particular genre, along with many others.

Saul Williams.

If you care enough, listen to the song Release by Blackalicious. its split into 3 parts and he has the middle one. Or you could just look up the words.

But yeah, i love a lot of hip-hop, mainly Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, Lupe Fiasco, and Atmosphere. With the exception of De La, who are just kind of having fun and playing around, those groups make the more intelligent stuff. That's not to say that De La makes party rap, its just not lyrically trying to make something profound. Except for Eye Know, which is a very sweet song.

Saul williams sounds more like a composer than a rapper...

-Seraph-:
The only rap I have ever been able to listen through is my cousins...and he's french...and french rap sounded rather catchy..lol seriously

Nothing funny about that. French rap is awesome.
American rappers are first to admit it.

guyy:
I will resist the urge to rant indefinitely on the boundless horror within the style of music known as "Rap." Someone already did that anyway.

I'll just say that I hate it completely, and nothing will ever, EVER, make me change my mind.

That's what's wrong with rap haters. Recluse, narrow-minded people that are proud of being so. Since when are intolerence and generalisation cool?

ReepNeep:
So you can't sing, can't play an instrument, have a fourth grade vocabulary and still want to be a musician? Have you ever considered Rap?

No, I haven't! Who are you Mr. Magic Man?

There's no point to rap music because its just a bunch of words mixed together for no reason

demon lord 2037:
There's no point to rap music because its just a bunch of words mixed together for no reason

Im sure the people who are rapping are having phun...

demon lord 2037:
There's no point to rap music because its just a bunch of words mixed together for no reason

there's no point to literature because its just a bunch of words mixed together for no reason.

see that? that's how bad your logic is.

It's a cancer on the soul and the epitome of human stupidity made sound.

searanox:
It's a cancer on the soul and the epitome of human stupidity made sound.

guyy:
I will resist the urge to rant indefinitely on the boundless horror within the style of music known as "Rap." Someone already did that anyway.

I'll just say that I hate it completely, and nothing will ever, EVER, make me change my mind.

ReepNeep:
So you can't sing, can't play an instrument, have a fourth grade vocabulary and still want to be a musician? Have you ever considered Rap?

Thus spoke the ignorant masses. You guys have no clue what you are talking about.

Ares Tyr:
Thus spoke the ignorant masses. You guys have no clue what you are talking about.

I know exactly what I'm talking about. I despise it, and that is my opinion. Yes, I have been exposed to the "good" and "underground" rap, and it's just as shitty as the rest of it, lyrics aside. It's the fundamentally obnoxious vocals and drum/bass arrangements that really get to me; they're the foundation of the music and the removing of them makes the music a hell of a lot more tolerable (though still not at all enjoyable), but then it ceases to be rap.

searanox:

Ares Tyr:
Thus spoke the ignorant masses. You guys have no clue what you are talking about.

I know exactly what I'm talking about. I despite it, and that is my opinion. Yes, I have been exposed to the "good" and "underground" rap, and it's just as shitty as the rest of it, lyrics aside. It's the fundamentally obnoxious vocals and drum/bass arrangements that really get to me; they're the foundation of the music and the removing that makes it a hell of a lot better for me (though still not at all enjoyable), but then it ceases to be rap.

Drum and bass are the foundations of Hip Hop, how is it being removed? Apart from drum fills and solos, Hip Hop has the same drumming structure of any other song. I could easily rap over the drumming in "Gimme Shelter" by the Rolling Stones. Hip Hop thrives off the usage of sampled music that is re-arranged to create a stable beat to be rapped over. I mean, if it's not your cup of tea, then that is acceptible, but it is extremely ignorant to say it is shit just because you dislike it. I hate Country Western music for the most part, but its clear it requires a certain talent to do it. And I'm not so bullheaded to think otherwise.

I consider "rap music" to be an oxymoron. It's not appealing to the ears, it's just talking over some un-rhythmic beat (any rap music made in the last 10 years, anyway, I've never listened to 80s/early 90s stuff). Pretty much all that soulja boi/ludacrisp b.s. is just for tools who don't think for themselves.

Ares Tyr:
Drum and bass are the foundations of Hip Hop, how is it being removed? Apart from drum fills and solos, Hip Hop has the same drumming structure of any other song. I could easily rap over the drumming in "Gimme Shelter" by the Rolling Stones. Hip Hop thrives off the usage of sampled music that is re-arranged to create a stable beat to be rapped over. I mean, if it's not your cup of tea, then that is acceptible, but it is extremely ignorant to say it is shit just because you dislike it. I hate Country Western music for the most part, but its clear it requires a certain talent to do it. And I'm not so bullheaded to think otherwise.

What's wrong with me saying the music is shit? I don't like it. I think it's shit. You don't. We are each individuals and we each have our own tastes that are shaped by our prior experiences and exposures to music as well as other social phenomena. I never said anything about hip-hop, though I dislike it almost as much as I do rap. I never said that rap requires no talent to create or perform, either. Please stop putting words in my mouth.

kanyatta:
I consider "rap music" to be an oxymoron. It's not appealing to the ears, it's just talking over some un-rhythmic beat (any rap music made in the last 10 years, anyway, I've never listened to 80s/early 90s stuff). Pretty much all that soulja boi/ludacrisp b.s. is just for tools who don't think for themselves.

I can't vouch for Soulja Boi because I hate his, but I'm offended for the Ludacris statement because he's very talented. I'm very free-thinking and open-minded individual and I hate it when people insult the intelligence of MCs and hip hop fans alike.

searanox:

Ares Tyr:
Drum and bass are the foundations of Hip Hop, how is it being removed? Apart from drum fills and solos, Hip Hop has the same drumming structure of any other song. I could easily rap over the drumming in "Gimme Shelter" by the Rolling Stones. Hip Hop thrives off the usage of sampled music that is re-arranged to create a stable beat to be rapped over. I mean, if it's not your cup of tea, then that is acceptible, but it is extremely ignorant to say it is shit just because you dislike it. I hate Country Western music for the most part, but its clear it requires a certain talent to do it. And I'm not so bullheaded to think otherwise.

I never said anything about hip-hop. I dislike it almost as much as I do rap. What's wrong with me saying the music is shit? I don't like it. I think it's shit. You don't. We are each individuals and we each have our own tastes that are shaped by our prior experiences and exposures to music as well as other social phenomena. I never said that rap requires no talent to create or perform, either. Please stop putting words in my mouth.

I'm taking that you calling it the epitome of human stupidity is a way of saying that its easy to create and calling it a cancer to the soul is killing the creative process in the human mind. As well, calling it "shitty" as you are quoted to have saying, is a pretty big insult in my eyes. Being both an MC and a vocalist, I'm just astounded by how ignorant you come off as, saying that people who make it are stupid and the music is shitty, and try to take the intellectual high ground in your ignorance. I'm not saying you don't have a right to dislike it. You do, and I'm fine with you disliking it, but you're instulting one of my favorite art forms, one which I take part in, and that is by extension an insult to me.

wow...this thread is suprisingly full of more sophisticated responses...good for yo, escapist forums!
:D

searanox:

Ares Tyr:
Drum and bass are the foundations of Hip Hop, how is it being removed? Apart from drum fills and solos, Hip Hop has the same drumming structure of any other song. I could easily rap over the drumming in "Gimme Shelter" by the Rolling Stones. Hip Hop thrives off the usage of sampled music that is re-arranged to create a stable beat to be rapped over. I mean, if it's not your cup of tea, then that is acceptible, but it is extremely ignorant to say it is shit just because you dislike it. I hate Country Western music for the most part, but its clear it requires a certain talent to do it. And I'm not so bullheaded to think otherwise.

What's wrong with me saying the music is shit? I don't like it. I think it's shit. You don't. We are each individuals and we each have our own tastes that are shaped by our prior experiences and exposures to music as well as other social phenomena. I never said anything about hip-hop, though I dislike it almost as much as I do rap. I never said that rap requires no talent to create or perform, either. Please stop putting words in my mouth.

The difference is saying something is bad vs. you don't like it. Ares Tyr was explaining that you said it was shit like that was a fake. A simple "I don't like" would make him satisfied, but you just keep on saying it is shit. The difference is once you say [insert subject] is [insert derogatory term] it isn't an opinion anymore. It isn't an opinion once you put is in it like that. If you think it is bad, just say "I think it is bad. I think it is the blight on society and deserve to be destroyed completely. I think." You see how it works now?

I'm verbose. Sue me.

searanox:
I'm verbose. Sue me.

Sure. How much do you have...anything lower than 1,000 will make it not worth it.

rap = crap

thats all I will say.

AmericanWarMachine:
rap = crap

thats all I will say.

Wow, I never thought of it that way. You've.... opened my eyes to truth!

I don't like rap in the slightest, but I'll admit that some underground rappers/groups like the Roots and such do have talent. However, the mainstream acts like Kanye West, Jay-Z, 50 Cent et al are arrogant wipes of rectal smear who should be ashamed for ruining mainstream music.

AuntyEthel:
I don't like rap in the slightest, but I'll admit that some underground rappers/groups like the Roots and such do have talent. However, the mainstream acts like Kanye West, Jay-Z, 50 Cent et al are arrogant wipes of rectal smear who should be ashamed for ruining mainstream music.

Don't you EVAH speak a con-word about the Jigga Man! Jay-Z is GREAT!

i dony give a flying monkey shit for rap

typo *dont

The non-mainstream stuff is alright.

I am mostly into Hard Rock/Metal though.

Nas is the only artist I like alot.

crazy-j:
I don't give a flying monkey shit for rap.

Finally! Look Ares Tyr, a brotha who did it right. He don't like it, but he doesn't say it is crap.

Im starting to see the trend of this thread.. Someone comes in and says they dislike Rap then Ares Tyr comes in and defends it. 7 pages of "I don't like Rap" "Why not?" "Cos I don't like it" "But its great"

Really.. When people say they like Metal you can almost guess they hate everything else (I know thats not always the case but most of the time). There is no point trying to explain the talent required to make a hit rap song to these guys, likewise there is no point trying to convince metalheads that a lot of their stuff is a joke.

People like different music for lots of different reason and there is very little point trying to turn them. Unless you get the small percentage of people who are open to all kinds of music there is no point trying. I've been trying for 2 years to get my metal/prog friend into Jazz but it just wont work - he just isnt into that stuff.

PS: Ares there is very little talent in country music. I play in a country band and it is really.. really... reaaaally simple