I don't like Rap

zen5887:
Really.. When people say they like Metal you can almost guess they hate everything else (I know thats not always the case but most of the time). There is no point trying to explain the talent required to make a hit rap song to these guys, likewise there is no point trying to convince metalheads that a lot of their stuff is a joke

I enjoy tons of different music. I listen almost exclusively to metal, but I also am very capable of enjoying blues, jazz, funk, various forms of electronic music, and some orchestral stuff, whatever movements that may include. Metal is not exclusively dumb garbage like Metallica, KoRn, Slipknot, Slayer, Cannibal Corpse, etc., just as I know there is rap people consider better than 50 Cent and whoever else is popular in the mainstream these days (I really don't follow it).

The difference I see between something like metal and rap is that rap is based entirely on a certain type of vocal delivery and drum/bass groove. Although there's a huge number of variations on that, if I can't stand those basic components, then those supplementary elements are meaningless to me. With metal, what is there? Drums? Distorted guitars? Power chords? Aside from maybe a few pieces, such as the instruments used, there's very little connecting most forms of metal, at least nothing that doesn't exist in other forms of rock music; if anything, the overarching theme that defines metal has to do more with ideology and aesthetics than the music, though the music itself is still quite important. Thrash metal sounds very different from traditional heavy metal, with death metal, black metal, etc. even further removed. Therefore, I find it silly to reject metal as a whole, especially on the basis of even several examples from different sub-genres; the amount of variation present is incredible, to the point where there are non-metal bands like Ulver which are considered to be part of the metal scene, or Fejd, which is basically folk metal without the metal elements (i.e. electric guitars).

I don't profess to be familiar with what I'm sure are the many sub-genres of rap music, but I've never heard rap without rapping. Does it exist? I get the impression that it becomes a completely different style of music when that happens. Therefore, I don't feel uncomfortable saying I strongly dislike all rap like I do with some other genres.

Dance The Revolution:

crazy-j:
I don't give a flying monkey shit for rap.

Finally! Look Ares Tyr, a brotha who did it right. He don't like it, but he doesn't say it is crap.

That's all I'm asking for, man.

zen5887:
PS: Ares there is very little talent in country music. I play in a country band and it is really.. really... reaaaally simple

I was willing to give it the benefit of the doubt, but okay. I still like Johnny Cash and think he is talented.

I like Metal more than Rap but some rap is ok, not good but ok, adequate listening material lol.
Most of the rap nowadays is just about shit though, that's the only thing I don't like about it, though the basslines are still slamming:D

I'm a big fan of rap actually. I tend to have very diverse music tastes and I like just about anything I listen to.

searanox:

zen5887:
Really.. When people say they like Metal you can almost guess they hate everything else (I know thats not always the case but most of the time). There is no point trying to explain the talent required to make a hit rap song to these guys, likewise there is no point trying to convince metalheads that a lot of their stuff is a joke

I enjoy tons of different music. I listen almost exclusively to metal, but I also am very capable of enjoying blues, jazz, funk, various forms of electronic music, and some orchestral stuff, whatever movements that may include. Metal is not exclusively dumb garbage like Metallica, KoRn, Slipknot, Slayer, Cannibal Corpse, etc., just as I know there is rap people consider better than 50 Cent and whoever else is popular in the mainstream these days (I really don't follow it).

The difference I see between something like metal and rap is that rap is based entirely on a certain type of vocal delivery and drum/bass groove. Although there's a huge number of variations on that, if I can't stand those basic components, then those supplementary elements are meaningless to me. With metal, what is there? Drums? Distorted guitars? Power chords? Aside from maybe a few pieces, such as the instruments used, there's very little connecting most forms of metal, at least nothing that doesn't exist in other forms of rock music; if anything, the overarching theme that defines metal has to do more with ideology and aesthetics than the music, though the music itself is still quite important. Thrash metal sounds very different from traditional heavy metal, with death metal, black metal, etc. even further removed. Therefore, I find it silly to reject metal as a whole, especially on the basis of even several examples from different sub-genres; the amount of variation present is incredible, to the point where there are non-metal bands like Ulver which are considered to be part of the metal scene, or Fejd, which is basically folk metal without the metal elements (i.e. electric guitars).

I don't profess to be familiar with what I'm sure are the many sub-genres of rap music, but I've never heard rap without rapping. Does it exist? I get the impression that it becomes a completely different style of music when that happens. Therefore, I don't feel uncomfortable saying I strongly dislike all rap like I do with some other genres.

Wow!

I think the differences in rap are a lot more subtle. I've heard people talking about hating east coast rap and liking west coast. I can only assume the diffrence is lyrical content, with stuff comming from the bronx being more 'hard' then the stuff comming from LA (dont quote me.. just a theory). Again I can assume there are subtle diffrences in the musical styling, a certain style of rap/hip hop might use a live band over a drum machine, another style might focus on using jazz samples exclusivly (that would be aweosme!).

My guess is these styles are easyer to pick when you into it. Someone who isnt into metal might not be able to tell the diffrence between Metallica and Iron Maiden just as people not into hip hop cant tell the diffrence between east and west coast. Having said that I agree with you in that metal is a big genre, there is a big diffrence between grindcore and tech.

I've heard some hip hop stuff with blues, country, folk and bluegrass backing bands. I've heard a hip hop song with only a harpsichord playing and I've heard a hip hop concept album about this guy living on a houseboat. Theres some pretty intresting stuff around deep underground but thats the same for any genre, if your not into it you wont want to go looking.

I think that rap/hip hop without rapping comes under the spoken word genre but if it keeps the beats, samples and scratching it still comes under rap/hip hop.. Maybe.

Question for Searanox: What do you of rapmetal/rapcore/nu metal?

RTR:
TOdays rap just can't live up to what people listened to in the 80's. That rap could be defended at an intellectual level, but today's rap is impossible to defend. Just ask Chris Rock (I am aware he's a comedian, not a rapper.)

That's the general consensus for anyone who remembers what the genre was originally about. Its become oversaturated and commercialized to the extent that hacks like Soulja Boy can literally glance at any object (ex. his Sidekick,) add in a few hypocritical cliches of sex and violence (he once claimed to be a family-friendly rapper) then muse over his own fame to make a "song." What we hear today IS NOT RAP. True rap recycled pieces of other genres and forms of entertainment to become innovative. What we hear today is greedy hacks wanting a fast ticket to the good life yet claim they represent the 'hood even when they're from the suburbs. It's come to the point that rappers aren't competing with rappers over typical rivalries, but who's bastardized the genre.

zen5887:

searanox:

zen5887:
Really.. When people say they like Metal you can almost guess they hate everything else (I know thats not always the case but most of the time). There is no point trying to explain the talent required to make a hit rap song to these guys, likewise there is no point trying to convince metalheads that a lot of their stuff is a joke

I enjoy tons of different music. I listen almost exclusively to metal, but I also am very capable of enjoying blues, jazz, funk, various forms of electronic music, and some orchestral stuff, whatever movements that may include. Metal is not exclusively dumb garbage like Metallica, KoRn, Slipknot, Slayer, Cannibal Corpse, etc., just as I know there is rap people consider better than 50 Cent and whoever else is popular in the mainstream these days (I really don't follow it).

The difference I see between something like metal and rap is that rap is based entirely on a certain type of vocal delivery and drum/bass groove. Although there's a huge number of variations on that, if I can't stand those basic components, then those supplementary elements are meaningless to me. With metal, what is there? Drums? Distorted guitars? Power chords? Aside from maybe a few pieces, such as the instruments used, there's very little connecting most forms of metal, at least nothing that doesn't exist in other forms of rock music; if anything, the overarching theme that defines metal has to do more with ideology and aesthetics than the music, though the music itself is still quite important. Thrash metal sounds very different from traditional heavy metal, with death metal, black metal, etc. even further removed. Therefore, I find it silly to reject metal as a whole, especially on the basis of even several examples from different sub-genres; the amount of variation present is incredible, to the point where there are non-metal bands like Ulver which are considered to be part of the metal scene, or Fejd, which is basically folk metal without the metal elements (i.e. electric guitars).

I don't profess to be familiar with what I'm sure are the many sub-genres of rap music, but I've never heard rap without rapping. Does it exist? I get the impression that it becomes a completely different style of music when that happens. Therefore, I don't feel uncomfortable saying I strongly dislike all rap like I do with some other genres.

Wow!

I think the differences in rap are a lot more subtle. I've heard people talking about hating east coast rap and liking west coast. I can only assume the diffrence is lyrical content, with stuff comming from the bronx being more 'hard' then the stuff comming from LA (dont quote me.. just a theory). Again I can assume there are subtle diffrences in the musical styling, a certain style of rap/hip hop might use a live band over a drum machine, another style might focus on using jazz samples exclusivly (that would be aweosme!).

My guess is these styles are easyer to pick when you into it. Someone who isnt into metal might not be able to tell the diffrence between Metallica and Iron Maiden just as people not into hip hop cant tell the diffrence between east and west coast. Having said that I agree with you in that metal is a big genre, there is a big diffrence between grindcore and tech.

I've heard some hip hop stuff with blues, country, folk and bluegrass backing bands. I've heard a hip hop song with only a harpsichord playing and I've heard a hip hop concept album about this guy living on a houseboat. Theres some pretty intresting stuff around deep underground but thats the same for any genre, if your not into it you wont want to go looking.

I think that rap/hip hop without rapping comes under the spoken word genre but if it keeps the beats, samples and scratching it still comes under rap/hip hop.. Maybe.

Question for Searanox: What do you of rapmetal/rapcore/nu metal?

Hip Hop without rapping is very common, just not in mainstream music. It's just a DJ composing and mixing a beat like a techno artist. It's really awesome. Look up Invisibl Skratch Piklz and The X-Ecutioners.

As for subtle differences, there are many. There are artists who focus on jazz samples, such as The Pharcyde and Souls of Mischief. West Coast hip hop is known for using Funk (G-Funk) samples, having a generally slower pace, and rapping about the place they come from. There are subtle differences in hip hop wherever is comes from which shows its origin. That's why I like Hip Hop alot, because despite what people say, it all DOES NOT all sound the same (not focused at you Zen). I can tell an Oakland based rapper from a Atlanta based on. It just takes experience from listening to it.

And thank you Zen.

Hehe...i like that..."flying monkey shit"
heehehehheeeeeeeeeeeeee

I don't like any rap...ehhh...especially Will Smith's Early 'clean' rap, which was accurately made fun of by Family Guy.

zen5887:
Question for Searanox: What do you of rapmetal/rapcore/nu metal?

I hate it. I hate it all. It's a combination of the two worst things in music: rap and -core.

Rap Music is an Oxymoron.

It's (some) rap fans I don't like. They play their lil wayne shit, and then when good rap is played(The Roots, in this case) they think it's crap.

Anyone who says hip-hop "isn't music" is just being moronic for the sake of it. Internet anonymity is a wonderful thing.

Like all types of music there are highs & lows, but I'd say the highs of hip-hop are beyond what a number of genres are capable of.

For example: Main Source, Organized Konfusion, early Mobb Deep, early Wu-Tang, A Tribe Called Quest, MF Doom et al have produced music that is far more worthwhile & creative than 99% of rock music. Arguably 100% of rock music.

Anyone who doesn't believe me should stop playing Halo for a second and listen to "Shook Ones Pt. II".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeuEGr_UTzg

Or, "Da Mystery of Chessboxin'":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl6jwab3HWk

Or, "Electric Relaxation"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERQzl4xDpXk

etc.

music is subjective, so every thing you say is jsut an opinnion. Hell we dont even now what makes music.

I personally enjoy some of it, mostly the main strem stuff thats actully a little more hip'hop. but persoanly I liek funk.

All tastes are subjective, and often a product of their environs.

harhol:
For example: Main Source, Organized Konfusion, early Mobb Deep, early Wu-Tang, A Tribe Called Quest, MF Doom et al have produced music that is far more worthwhile & creative than 99% of rock music. Arguably 100% of rock music.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

No, you're absolutely right. All of them had waaaaaaaay more talent than Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Kinks, The Clash, The Who. None of these bands did ANYTHING as worthwhile or creative as any rap artist.

Oh wait... they wrote all the riffs that rappers stole. I mean "sampled."

Lazzi:
Hell we dont even now what makes music.

Pitch, Rhythm, Dynamics, Timbre and Texture.

Hip hop and Rap has these

Thus.. Hip Hop and Rap IS music. Its official =D

zen5887:

Lazzi:
Hell we dont even now what makes music.

Pitch, Rhythm, Dynamics, Timbre and Texture.

Hip hop and Rap has these

Thus.. Hip Hop and Rap IS music. Its official =D

U dont know what maked music?!?!!? D: U imbicile...

AuntyEthel:

harhol:
For example: Main Source, Organized Konfusion, early Mobb Deep, early Wu-Tang, A Tribe Called Quest, MF Doom et al have produced music that is far more worthwhile & creative than 99% of rock music. Arguably 100% of rock music.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

No, you're absolutely right. All of them had waaaaaaaay more talent than Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Kinks, The Clash, The Who. None of these bands did ANYTHING as worthwhile or creative as any rap artist.

Oh wait... they wrote all the riffs that rappers stole. I mean "sampled."

Hip-hop sacrifices musical complexity for verbal dexterity. The simplicity of the beat allows for a greater range of expressions. Most "classic" rock musicians don't have anything interesting to say and attempt to disguise their lack of intelligence by wanking all over a guitar.

(I happen to like the Clash but I wouldn't exactly describe them as musically talented. Simonon couldn't even play the bass when he joined.)

I LIKE the who.....

harhol:

(I happen to like the Clash but I wouldn't exactly describe them as musically talented. Simonon couldn't even play the bass when he joined.)

Oh wow.. That would be a nerve, you just touched it.

First off Punk has nothing to do with musical complexity, it was the 'anyone can do it' that made it so popular.. Punk sacrifices musical complexity for verbal dexterity. The simplicity of the music allows for a greater range of expressions. =D

Second, The Clash are one of the more musical punk band out there. Simonon is a great bass player, it was his reggae style and overall ability that made him and the rest of the band stand out from the rest of the punk bands out there. You say you like The Clash so you would of heard London Calling, (White Man) in Hammersmith Palais and Guns of Brixton. You cant say that they are not great basslines. So he couldn't play when he joined the band, he got better.. A lot better.

As for

harhol:
Most "classic" rock musicians don't have anything interesting to say and attempt to disguise their lack of intelligence by wanking all over a guitar.

I can say

Rappers have no idea about music so all they do is talk really fast.

=)

I'm not a fan of rap for one simple reason.
All singers can rap.
You ever hear a rapper sing?
That's why they bring in another dude/girl to do those bits.

But even while not being a fan there's still some stuff I like and I've got some albums lying around for when the mood strikes me. Gorillaz, Beastie Boys and Run DMC mainly. Also: Brainpower!

Vortigar:
I'm not a fan of rap for one simple reason.
All singers can rap.
You ever hear a rapper sing?
That's why they bring in another dude/girl to do those bits.

But even while not being a fan there's still some stuff I like and I've got some albums lying around for when the mood strikes me. Gorillaz, Beastie Boys and Run DMC mainly. Also: Brainpower!

Let's see 50 cent sing opera...

FrankDux:
I'm a big fan of rap actually. I tend to have very diverse music tastes and I like just about anything I listen to.

Good for you! I tend to listen to only some types of music.I wish there were more diverse people in the world.

Here's one to confuse the metal heads, it's death rap, the combination of a death metal band and a rapper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JchyjafLdcg

Anyway, I love hip hop. And that includes hip hop that is being made today, just because it's not there in the mainstream doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

Music is like candy, you throw away the wrapper.
Anyhow seriously, I dislike almost all of it, especially 50 cent and soulja boi and the like. I'm not saying I know alot of rap, but I know only one rapper who I think is rather good and that's DEl Tha Funky Homo-Sapien, but I only know him from the Gorillaz.

Vortigar:
I'm not a fan of rap for one simple reason.
All singers can rap.
You ever hear a rapper sing?
That's why they bring in another dude/girl to do those bits.

But even while not being a fan there's still some stuff I like and I've got some albums lying around for when the mood strikes me. Gorillaz, Beastie Boys and Run DMC mainly. Also: Brainpower!

Nederlander dus. :P
I must say I agree with you, except for the Beastie Boys, don't like them very much.

Edit:
Damn double-post, apologies to those who are offended.

There needs to be a choice of liking some rap music and hating other stuff. I only like a small amount of rap.

I listen to stuff that is intellegent. Songs that are not about bling and partying. Nas I know I can, or Talib Kweli's Get By etc.

If it has a strong message and has a story then I'll listen to that kind of rap.

I enjoy reading about the people who think all rap is about bitches, hoes, guns and drugs... whereas you'll find just as many rock, country, and metal songs about the same thing. I could go off on a tangent of all the non-rap songs that include references to the above, but I'm sure anyone who's ever listened to more than 10 songs would know this.

I also find it funny that some people find all rappers lacking (or most whatever) in talent. I'm not saying many rappers have no talent (like soulja boy, he likes using the dr. Suess way of rhyming) but rapping is incredibly hard. Try right now to free-style and see where it gets you. Rapping takes flow AND a good voice, no one wants to hear a nasly ass rapper, just like no one wants to hear a rock singer who can't sing in key. Not every singer can rap and not every rapper can sing, they're completely different vocal skills and incorporate different aspects. NOTE- the above is based on rappers that can rap quickly, anyone can in fact rap if they do it real slow, try quickly rapping alliterations and toungue-twisters, and that's what i'm talking about.

There a few choice songs I don't mind. don't really like them. I am more of a Classic rock/Techno/electric/etc. kindof guy...oh! I also like classical music.

I think of the Fresh Prince of Bell Air opening song and I gotta say, that is a kick ass way to tell a story. But the thug stuff does get annoying. Social/political commentaries are incredible though.