Fondant:
Don't listen to Ultrajoe anybody- Tyranids are pathetically easy to beat for a Guard player who knows his business. Here's an apocalypse example.

I've got a three-thousand point guard army holding a section of line in an apocalypse battle against a mass of Tyranids. And I'm decimating his Gaunts- seriously, the closest any of his infantry get's is 12"(Rapid fire range- for approximately 150 lasguns). His Lictor's have been and gone- knocked out two of my lascannon teams before being swamped unto death, while the other tried to kill HSO, and got a power sword pushed through it's spine for it's troubles.

SO, to try and break the stalemate, my oppnenet Deepstrikes in his Trygon (massive tunneling super-beastie) into my lines. It scatters just inside my defensive line- not in base-to-base (mind, you can shoot at it even if it is in close-combat). So, what do I do? Do I redirect my Leman Russ and sacrifice a turn of shooting? Or should I charge it with a couple of squads and try to hold it up?

I do neither. Instead, I land(deepstrike) a squad of hardened veterans (3 meltaguns, 1 plasma pistol) and a special weapon's squad. The special weapons goes first- the demo charge scattering nicely and wiping out it's one mass point. They fire their meltaguns, which both miss (cursed Guard accuracy). Then the veteran's step up to fight. In a hailstorm of energy fire, the Trygon is reduced from 5 wounds, right back down to one. A solitary krak missile finishes the job. The Trygon screams, and crashes to the ground in a sickening medley of shattering bone and destroyed flesh.

The guardsmen smile, and resume firing.

HAHA! THE EMPEROR TRIUMPHS ONCE MORE!!!

1) I was saying that he should leave the rushing to the Nid's, as his plan was to make a charging guard army.

2) Not to start this argument, but slap that idiot player down and spit on his face will you? The bastard does not deserve to masquerade as the hive mind...

...Trygon? Amateur.

I used to play 40K until I was old enough to want to save my money for a car.

I played as the Dark Eldar, I chose them because I thought they looked the coolest and none of my friends were playing as them.

I got back into the game in college playing instead as the Witch Hunters (that's sisters of battle to you who played Soulstorm) but again, the game is more expensive than a drug habit so I had to quit. Actually I quit because I was so angry they were 'canceling' Dark Eldar and not accepting them as a playable army in tournaments... that was a big mushroom stamp to the face for me.

I used to play a lot of tabletop games. But the people I used to play with started getting all annoying, so I stopped playing with them.

40K: Guard, Marines, Tau, Tyranids
Fantasy: Lizardmen, Empire
Blood Bowl: Humans, Chaos, Dwarves, Norse
Necromunda: Anybody
Warmachine: Cygnar, Cryx

All Hail the glory of the Hive Mind (laymen's terms: I play Tyranids as well)

I've been in the hobby for 4 years now, and I've noticed a trend. Whenever I think my army is at the size it should be, I always tend to walk past a carnifex and think "hmmmm, I could use another one in my army". Six weeks later, I've doubled the size of my army, and have to live off of ramen noodles for the rest of the month.

So what I'm saying is...Warhammer is awesome.

Joe, he was not an amauteur- I am simply incredibly experienced in the fine art of fighting off any form of assault. Hence my unnatrual love of all things short-ranged, cheap and abjectly brutal. He was something of a middling player- not bad, but simply unprepared for the sheer concentrations of malevolent, devious evil that exist in every Imperial Guard player. (it's the only way our army can possibly survive.)

Are you UK-based? We must play a battle or two at some time, once I return to Her Majesties Shores. (If the answer to the first question is 'no', then disreagrd prior statement)

And all he could afford was a Trygon. Well, he could have brought more 'Fexes instead (the wiser decision), or more infantry, but I point-blank refused to play an army with more than six Lictors. Those things are the most evil little fuckers you guys have-forget Hive Tyrants, Hierodules and Hierophants- if the Hive-Mind simply fielded nothing but Lictors and Gaunts then it would be unstoppable.

What would you have suggested instead? More Raveners? Gargoyles? A morass of winged Tyranid Warriors? Enough Gaunts to sink the Bismark?

But no-one would play you, either. Except maybe Blood Angels players and overzealous CSM.

Tried it, didn't like it.

I enjoyed painting the models and making custom ones out of spare parts, but in the end I couldn't get into playing it, and the prices were prohibitive for pieces of plastic.

That and I couldn't stand the 13-15 year olds who were there, playing with models their mummy and daddy bought them for their birthday.

Vampire Counts and Chaos Marines FOR THE WIN.
I made some Chaos Imperial Gaurd, they look pretty cool. They kinda look like mutant Germans circa 1914-1918.

Warhammer 40.000
Orks, more points then I can be bothered to count.
(and space marines of the Space Wolf chapter.)

I used to play and I really enjoyed it. The prices never bothered me because I had my first army (tyranids) cheap and I kept it for years with out upgrading. It was tiny for a 1000 point Nid army, so small was my Nid collection i could barely scrape 1500 points, but I always used to win because everyone used to underestimate me and the sheer hardness of my army. It was the same for my Empire. I stopped playing for while mainly because everyone in my local store who was a challenge started fine tuning their armies specifically to beat mine which irritated the hell out of me. They got so bad my army was in tatters in a couple of turns and the game wasn't fun to play anymore. Then one day I played against the uber nerd veteran who everyone hailed as a warhammer god, he put out his special army (Chaos) that was made for killing my Nids but he was surprised when I pulled out my mates 2000 points imperial guard army and shot everything he had to hell. After that he never played me again and he got all his little followers to do the same. I packed the whole thing in because the only people who were cool enough to not listen to that douche bag weren't regulars. Shame really because I was an a brilliant strategist and tactician and I always came high in the shop tournaments. Yet I would go back to playing it tomorrow if I had some sporting people to play against. Oh well.

I play both Fantasy and 40K, High Elves and Eldar respectively. I was ultimately swayed by the capability of being a symphony of destruction when each piece of an army works in harmony with one another.

If they would release a new Dark Eldar Codex (They should be, they have been getting a lot of mention in recent publications and their current Codex is 10 years old) then i would pick up a small force of them. Their models look really cool and their fluff is so sinister that it can send a shiver down one's spine.

I play warhammer fantasy battles, 40k, and D&D.

Fondant:
Joe, he was not an amauteur- I am simply incredibly experienced in the fine art of fighting off any form of assault. Hence my unnatrual love of all things short-ranged, cheap and abjectly brutal. He was something of a middling player- not bad, but simply unprepared for the sheer concentrations of malevolent, devious evil that exist in every Imperial Guard player. (it's the only way our army can possibly survive.)

Are you UK-based? We must play a battle or two at some time, once I return to Her Majesties Shores. (If the answer to the first question is 'no', then disreagrd prior statement)

And all he could afford was a Trygon. Well, he could have brought more 'Fexes instead (the wiser decision), or more infantry, but I point-blank refused to play an army with more than six Lictors. Those things are the most evil little fuckers you guys have-forget Hive Tyrants, Hierodules and Hierophants- if the Hive-Mind simply fielded nothing but Lictors and Gaunts then it would be unstoppable.

What would you have suggested instead? More Raveners? Gargoyles? A morass of winged Tyranid Warriors? Enough Gaunts to sink the Bismark?

But no-one would play you, either. Except maybe Blood Angels players and overzealous CSM.

What does the Tyranid player with a devious mind and all the brutal, bastardly cunning do in an apocalypse battle? When seeking to sink guard into a bloody mess?

Take one look at the fact that he can get unlimited spore mine clusters and giggle hysterically all the way to the bank. No force restrictions.

Think about that for a second.

Thats right, thats right...

And lictors rule, you cannot have enough.

Well, he did have eight Biovores, but they all died when I landed a Bombard shell on them. (7" Blast). And I said: 'If you take more than six Lictors, I'm taking an army built entirely out of Grenadiers.'

Fondant:
Well, he did have eight Biovores, but they all died when I landed a Bombard shell on them. (7" Blast). And I said: 'If you take more than six Lictors, I'm taking an army built entirely out of Grenadiers.'

You see, i'm clever, id take the spore mines as deep strikers without the biovores.

When fighting guard its important to break their lines sharply so you can force a trio of dakkafex up the centre. A trygon will not do this, biovores will not do this.

Gargoyles and spore mines deep striking will do this, warrior hordes with deathspitters will do this. Raveners taken for 3-pods will do this. (take 3 squads of one ravener, so they are separate units, when you roll for deep strike you have at least one lictor. If one comes in, re-roll the one to try and make it fail. If two come in, re-roll the third to go for a trifecta... that way you can get, sometimes, 7 squds shooting behind their own lines at the raveners. They get up to 12 inches more for gaunts and in conjunction with gargoyles can send a gaurd line into chaos, tied up in close combat so fex's claws can reach the tanks.)

That is why i call him an amateur, because he broke the first rule of Tyranids.

Know thine enemy

Note, i don't want to start a discussion of what we would each do to beat the other. Im simply spotting flaws in his strategy that i think are glaring and rather sloppy of him.

Is "Space Hulk", a WarHammer game?

Smitty of the Tolchocks:
Is "Space Hulk", a WarHammer game?

Why yes it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Hulk

I thought so,but it's been quite a while since I played it(the tabletop version).It just looked so much like some of Bolt Thrower's album covers that I had always made that connection.

If you prefer a faster game then 40k try Warmachine or Hordes. The gameplay is more centered around combos and having large Steam Mechs/Freaky Beasts slug it out while the infantry stand around placing bets. Plus its more often cheaper than GW games.

I'm getting into Skorne at the moment, they're an army entirely centered on fighting like a rugby scrum, except with giant bipedial four armed elephants, or as one of their special units, an infant bipedial four armed elephant, thats been tortured.

Alifornication:
I used to play and I really enjoyed it. The prices never bothered me because I had my first army (tyranids) cheap and I kept it for years with out upgrading. It was tiny for a 1000 point Nid army, so small was my Nid collection i could barely scrape 1500 points, but I always used to win because everyone used to underestimate me and the sheer hardness of my army. It was the same for my Empire. I stopped playing for while mainly because everyone in my local store who was a challenge started fine tuning their armies specifically to beat mine which irritated the hell out of me. They got so bad my army was in tatters in a couple of turns and the game wasn't fun to play anymore. Then one day I played against the uber nerd veteran who everyone hailed as a warhammer god, he put out his special army (Chaos) that was made for killing my Nids but he was surprised when I pulled out my mates 2000 points imperial guard army and shot everything he had to hell. After that he never played me again and he got all his little followers to do the same. I packed the whole thing in because the only people who were cool enough to not listen to that douche bag weren't regulars. Shame really because I was an a brilliant strategist and tactician and I always came high in the shop tournaments. Yet I would go back to playing it tomorrow if I had some sporting people to play against. Oh well.

Paragraphs are your friend. Think of them as one of several mystical wards to shield thyself from Bannation's Hammer....

Lucas113:
I used to play whilst I was at school, but realised I was spending ten times longer painting than I was actually battling. Plus, I was spending a huge amount of money on an army when I could get computer games that were much cheaper and lasted longer...

1. Building and painting is half the point. Sometimes I buy models purely for that purpose.
2. Games are slightly cheaper, but not longer. Actually, it depends on the type of game, for example: Halo 3- 8 hours + multiplayer. £40
Imperial gaurd battleforce: about 14 hours. More, if you take your time. Plus the gaming. £50
£50 worth of 15mm stargrunt: a very, very long time.

Maybe games like civ or spore have long playablility, but they are not as fun, they are not as open-ended and they have no social aspects.

Tabletop games win.

zhoomout

' I've never really see the appeal of the tabletop warhammer stuff and unless I suddenly obtain more money than sense I don't think I ever will. If theres a cheaper tabletop game though, I'm open to new things.'

Like I said before, try 15mm Stargrunt. Tis very, very fun. Warhammer is not the only one out there, ya know.

Also, in my travels, Games Workshop plastics are the best on the market, and that is no joke. They are also one of the cheapest bulk troop options for 28mm. In fact, Games workshop products are the best modelling quality, and you'd be surprised how much everything else is... especially for terrain. Games workshop produce some of the most detailed, easy to build and best value 28mm terrain out there. So don't be too harsh.

But 40k does suffer from what I like to call 'Halo syndrome'. So many people play it, that there is an inevitablely large amount of dickheads palying it as well.

But back to Stargrunt, try it out! The rules are free! 15-28mm figures! Insanely good. Here is teh link:

http://www.groundzerogames.net/

Other free rules: try out full thrust (GZG) and necromunda (GW)

Its a lot easier if your in Britain then anywhere else, the exchange rate annoys the hell out of me with 40k

Ultra- yes, but three dakkafexes would have had minimal value on entrenched guard. Even if you maxed out your shooting rolls, I failed all LD tests etc- the max you've wiped out is thirty guardsmen.

And besides, there's no way you'd get three fexes to my lines unscathed. So let's say each one is missing one wound.

Now, what I do is land my two reserve hardened vets squads and plasma/melta two of your fexes to death, and finish the next on off with regular fire.

Result- you lose three fexes. Now I can resume wiping the rest of your swarm out.

I never played Warhammer, but I did play W40K for a while. First I played as the Space Marines, then the Tau (love that firepower), and back to the Marines.

To be honest, I likes W40K mainly for the creation part as opposed to the actual gameplay. I'm an artist, so I liked painting all those little guys. Taking those same hand-painted guys out to blow the hell out of other people's creations was just a plus.

Oh, and every time someone tells me that Games Workshop ripped off Blizzard, I die a little inside. Ignorant little...

I had a Black Templar chapter Space Marine army years back. I have played a great deal of other table top, pen and paper, CCGs, etc. I am a big fan of Shadowrun, even if it does borrow liberally from CyberPunk( which is another equally great game).

I used to play WH40K when I was young, had time, and money to blow on such things. How I am older, have to time for such things, and have to use my money responsibly. *cries* Adult hood sucks monkey choad sometimes. Teen agers and kids don't know how easy it really is for them.

I want to start playing D&D again, but I live in a new place and have no one to play it with. That sucks too. I still like the 3.5 rules over that new World of Warcraft-ified 4th Edition crap. They dumbed it all down WAY to much. They also RAPED the Forgotten Realms too. They are all bastards at Wizards of The Coast. TSR FTW!!!!! *cries*

And as I am concerned, the new Warhammer MMO SHOULD have been Warhammer 40k. I would have played that SO fast! As if we needed ANOTHER fantasy based MMO!!

Vanguard1219:

Oh, and every time someone tells me that Games Workshop ripped off Blizzard, I die a little inside. Ignorant little...

Crack em in the head for me too!!! Damned whipper snappers....

I went for the Black Templars Chapter too. I reall liked the imagery and story behind them. I stopped playing and collecting a couple of years ago, when I was about 15. When I think about how much I spent it makes me weep.

With my later years in W40K, I kept experimenting with the Imperials a lot, especially the Inquisition armies, partly for style, mainly for functionality. You could basically mix-and-match any Imperial units you wanted using the rules from the Inquisition Codexes. Think about it: guardsmen and tanks as the meat of the force (as well as the expendables), Sisters of Battle as the spearhead and then Deep Striking Grey Knights as the "coup de gra" that would drive it home. Beautiful.

Oh, and axia, I have heard about a W40K MMO being in development. When that comes out, I'm going to be on that game like white on rice.

Vanguard1219:

Oh, and axia, I have heard about a W40K MMO being in development. When that comes out, I'm going to be on that game like white on rice.

Really? That is awesome and I will research what and when. And I too will be on it like white on rice!!!

I used to collect dwarfs. But I didn't have the patience to play the game, it was too expensive and I am enough of an nerd already. I did have loads of fun making and painting them, though now that I think back on it, it was probley just the smell of the glue

have collected 40k orcs, marines [not ultra a small desprate company, painted them grey and thir awsome] and most recently vampire counts stopped bothering when the new codex stopped my blood dragons from gtting over about ws 76, thats just pathetic to b fair, and i realydon't have the mony, mayb i'll play again when im old and rich

I played 40k for a while, had a blast with my IG Tank Company, becuase most of my foes think i'll just sit in one place and shoot.

nope, i rumble forwards and grind them underneath my Baneblade's treads.