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Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 983 Joined: 21 Feb 2008     | People try to tell me I have ADHD whenever I get pissed. |
Muckraker  Posts: 270 Joined: 20 Sep 2008 | Alot of people have undiagnosed mental disorders. I probs have alot |
Beat Writer  Posts: 168 Joined: 28 May 2008 | I know here in the states if you have a mental illness it's hard for you to even get a job. It's something I can and can't agree with it. I agree cause some mental illnesses put a damper on one's abilities to follow direction. I disagree because sometimes mental illnesses are manageable to a extent. So I say if you could handle it (which to me sounds like you can) then they have no reason to deny you. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 190 Joined: 6 Sep 2008   | So they won't even let you try? I'd call that discrimination, fair and simple. Especially if you seem completely normal in all regards. Good luck to you mate. Though sometimes I do doubt my own sanity, in what appears to be a rapidly deteriorating state. Anyone else fell that way? |
Anonymous Source Posts: 7 Joined: 26 Mar 2008 | I agree completely, as long as it doesn't hinder your performance in whatever you're doing then I say it's fine and you should go for it... Too bad ADFA isn't as understanding *edit* |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 91 Joined: 8 Sep 2008     | Mental illness is different because no one really understands it. You would not just tell a person "Don't have cancer today, it's inconvenient" but it happens all of the time with mental illness. There is no cure and most treatments are as bad as the disease so there is a great fear of mental illness that goes well beyond the person or their actions. You can put ramps and elevators in to accommodate a person in a wheel chair but what do you do for the mentally ill. I have a mentally ill family member and it manifests at the worst times. I don't know what to do beyond trying to point out the illness, which makes them furious, or getting away from them, which just makes things worse. Until there is a cure or an easily understandable way for everyone to cope with it, mental illness will be seen through the eyes of fear and ignorance. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4554 Joined: 25 Feb 2008    | I assume that by applying to go to ADFA you were also signing up for the Aussie military as well? If that's the case then they were probably right in their decision. While you may not be mentally ill, you were applying for a high stress job in which sooner or later people's lives will most likely depend on you. Which would be the worst possible time for any mental issue you might have to manifest itself. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3576 Joined: 8 Dec 2007  | I don't remember reading about people with Autism being unable to deal with stress... Personally, I think sounds like prejudice against the different from some self-important meatheads, but whatever. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3893 Joined: 4 May 2008    | So, you had a form of Autism that had never manifested itself before in a major way, and despite the fact that they had no evidence that it would suddenly evolve into a case so severe that it would hinder your ability to work, they turned you down? Man, those guys are real jobsworths/assholes. |
On the Record  Posts: 6713 Joined: 22 Aug 2008    | Pie: Get yourself retested. Not that I'm saying you don't suffer from anything, but I've found that a lot of doctors these days can be somewhat "trigger happy" with diagnoses, often needlessly, to satisfy either the parents of the child or because they feel obligated to actually diagnose a kid with something more serious than "It's a kid, they act that way because they're a child." |
On the Record  Posts: 6071 Joined: 25 Jan 2008    | I'm no medical knowledge buff, and I had to Wikipedia what Assburgers syndrome was because aside from Yahtzee mentioning it once, I really never knew about it. Upon a brief read of its description, I have to wonder, why in the fuck should it even be considered an illness or disorder? Unless I missed a critical component, it's mainly... So how is any of this even a bad thing? Find me an Aspergers sufferer with an interest in firearms and you'll have yourself a gunsmithing savant, or an Aspergers victim who obsesses over molecular chemistry and we'll finally have someone who can devise an alternate fuel source with zero pollution. As I said, I may have missed some detrimental aspect to this so-called syndrome, but if OP "supposedly" has it and doesn't even see it as a problem, the I'd say it's just more medical jargon for someone who isn't the cookie-cutter normal that society wants us to be. After all, I'm 7/9 positive criteria for schizoid personality disorder (4/9 considered a confirmed schizoid). I don't see it as a negative. Not going to let some doctor tell me how bad it is, when I'm one of the few people I know who is entirely happy with who I am, not taking any mood-altering drugs/meds, and totally content with my life. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2346 Joined: 21 Aug 2008    | does being a smart ass count as a mental disorder because I'm told that I'm that all the time. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 974 Joined: 22 Mar 2008     | They assume that, because I was bullied, thought of suicide, and fought back to keep my mental sanity, I have Aspergers. I don't, because I'm pretty damn social. The bitches that think it feel it's right to make me miss classes for counseling I don't need. It's so bloody annoying. They assume I have it because I can't make friends. I don't try to make friends with all people because most can be assholes. Look at it this war. If you have it, you're smarter than everyone else, which is completely stupid why they force you to miss university courses. Because you are mildly smarter? What is that? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1554 Joined: 10 Sep 2008 | Like the other guy said, get retested, if it is so mild as to be almost non-existent then I don't see why they shouldn't remove the diagnosis. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1374 Joined: 12 Sep 2007  |
Quoted for truth. Sometimes parents won't be happy - OR doctors assume they won't be happy - until told that their perfectly normal child has some sort of disorder, preferably one that can be treated with zombie pills. If you don't think you have it, you probably don't, especially since these things tend to be self-fulfilling prophecies. (Meaning that some nurse, teacher, or doctor decides you are "different", so everyone treats you differently from "normal" people, and thus you grow up not really understanding how to behave like other children because no one treats you like other children.) That said, I don't think everyone regardless of disability is somehow entitled to have whatever job they want without regard to their ability to perform that job. But I don't think you should accept some authority figure's pronouncement on blind faith, either. If you really want a job or an educational opportunity and are being denied, challenge them - offer to take a stress test. There must be SOME accepted clinical method of determining Asperger's or other borderline autistic syndromes, or some accepted clinical method of testing whether or not an individual can take a highly stressed environment. Research and offer to take it, or if possible take it first on your own and shown them the results. Regarding private schooling, I can't imagine anything more fair than allowing those who can afford it to take private schooling. The whole point of working harder, saving money, delaying gratification, risking your savings to try a new investment or inventing something or opening a business, is to provide a better life for yourself and your family. Removing this incentive by equalizing results removes the motivation for doing these things. If your child is stuck in a school to be determined by the government, why bother to save and invest your money at all? Just buy a big screen TV and some more beer, it really doesn't matter either way. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2538 Joined: 29 Mar 2008  |
Actually Khell, you're totally wrong on this one. It's not jus social awkwardness, it's a crippling lack of (and I assume inability to learn) social interaction (this is only what I've seen). my ex's brother suffered from it (and I do mean suffered) in that any open ended question resulted in blank looks. it's got to do with not understanding (or more accurately, not being able to understand) other people's reaction to things. There is a single mindedness, but it isn't as useful as you think it is. this could be due to society, but if a kid, and we are dealing with kids here, has a passion for word puzzles, they approach everything as a word puzzle. so often they're looking for something that's not there. Routine is also important. any variation on the routine (to the point where changing dinner from one night to the next in some cases) can frighten and stall them. it's a very logical state of mind. this has to happen before this and so on. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4229 Joined: 27 Apr 2008  | Aspergers doesn't seem like it would impair your ability to learn, teach or work, so yeah, I would say that's unfair segregation with no real reason behind it, I don't understand why they turned you down, and personally; I think you should complain -23 days |
BANNED Posts: 530 Joined: 10 Jan 2008 | That's why i was so cut about it, I don't see it as a disadvantage, I knew going into the course that it was high stress. Say you had a horrible accident and lost your legs, if you replaced them with prostate legs and were as capable as anyone else, you would still be disallowed certain occupations, I could understand if someone was wheelchair bound and they wanted to be a professional runner, that would be a reasonable thing to disallow... I'm getting an independent psychiatric test done, if it comes back as i'm stable and capable, I'm going to ring up and talk to someone about it, but I doubt that I will ever want to apply for anything that has to do with the ADF ever again. It might seem i'm making a big deal over nothing, but I was in a class recently and the teacher went around and asked everyone their plans for next year. Everyone had stable plans and achievable goals, but I couldn't tell them anything because apart from this, I had no options. And it's not as uncommon as i first thought, I now know several people that have been diagnosed with limited mental illnesses and they haven't been hindered by it at all... User was banned for: Lock please.. (Permanent) |
BANNED  Posts: 366 Joined: 18 Sep 2008  | Syptoms of Aspergers include " difficulties in social interaction and restricted, stereotyped patterns of behavior and interests". The fact that you are a part of a gaming forum supports this. User was banned for: Probation posts. (Permanent) |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 950 Joined: 10 Sep 2007    | If it's on their "requirements" list to have no mental disorders, then, well, that's that. You should get yourself retested, see if it was just a poor diagnosis first, though. It was borderline when you were six, and you haven't noticed anything like it since then, so you never know. If you are classified as having asperger's, even if it's minor, well... Assuming you're going into the armed forces, it's understandable that they restrict people with mental disorders from joining. They probably don't want to deal with having to decide how severe someone has to be affected before they can't be accepted, so they just draw the line at that. Can't see a whole lot that can be done, honestly. |
On the Record  Posts: 6465 Joined: 24 Apr 2008   |
Provided you notice it happening, you should be fine.
Bullshit. Him being on a gaming forum proves nothing but the fact that he is on a gaming forum. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 172 Joined: 2 Jul 2008    |
Oh, BOY does it hinder your ability to deal with stress...in most cases. I go to a school for people with "neurological differences". Almost all my friends have aspurgers or some other form of Autism. It's almost impossible for some of them to cope with stress on any level. edit: Many of them, with the help of the school and counseling, are overcoming their difficulties. However, they're still easy to spot. |
Beat Writer Posts: 172 Joined: 2 Jul 2008 |
You've got the right of it, here. |
On the Record Posts: 6465 Joined: 24 Apr 2008 |
So what, my past actions, which i admit to being antisocial and have since rectified, suddenly serve as evidence for someone else having a mental illness that impedes his abilities? As you are someone who believes that nobody but sheep herders have a reason to own a border collie, in no way do i expect to sway your opinion or strip you of your delusions... |
BANNED Posts: 366 Joined: 18 Sep 2008 |
I accept your apology User was banned for: Probation posts. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1659 Joined: 7 Mar 2008  | The biggest problem with Aspergers is there's no real way to diagnose it. Sure, you've got a few things that may look like Aspergers, but all these things show up in a lot of other places, too. They told me I have Aspergers; I'm beginning to think that the only reason Amy pushed so hard for that was because it was a better alternetive to being insane. Oh well. I'm quaint, and I have to deal with it. Apologies Abound |
On the Record Posts: 6465 Joined: 24 Apr 2008 |
I suppose that passes for wit somewhere. And taking cheap shots at me does not go anywhere towards proving your original statement (I assume thats what your attempting to do, other wise this is just arguing for the sake of it) that his membership here is proof of his illness. By that reasoning if i walk into a church i must be a priest. And if the word 'strawman' is anywhere near your inevitable eager reply then i will be most disappointed, that analogy is perfectly applicable to this situation. Presence in a place devoted to a cause or action is not immediately indicative of association with that cause. Your past record does not serve you well, i'm starting to think your just doing this for the sake of it. |
BANNED Posts: 366 Joined: 18 Sep 2008 |
I actually have a begrudging respect for you UltraJoe, although you are very righteous you are not as different from me as you would like to think, most of your posts I have seen are correcting or condersending, but to prove your point that I am all about arguments, your mum. User was banned for: Probation posts. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3633 Joined: 3 Apr 2008   | I would strongly advise you to shut up dude.... It makes everyone more than a little pissed off at you |
On the Record Posts: 6465 Joined: 24 Apr 2008 |
The difference between you and me, and an important one... While i love to rise to the bait, i never sink as low to go around setting the trap. Thats a big difference. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 765 Joined: 9 Apr 2008 | Some people I know have commented that I might have ADHD. I'll admit that I like to be doing things, not just sitting around, and I have a tendency to pace when I think. I doubt I have it though. I'm just being juxtaposed with lazy people. Plus I've been told that if I want to get tested its no alcohol or weed for 8 months. To hell with that. |
BANNED Posts: 366 Joined: 18 Sep 2008 |
To rise to the bait you need people like me. And you have to admit as much as you think I'm childish, and immature it makes things slightly more interesting around here. User was banned for: Probation posts. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2538 Joined: 29 Mar 2008 | do you think the two of you could stop maybe? |
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Recently I applied for the Australian defence force academy for my Uni degree only to be turned down due to a mild and up until now, unknown illness that I had. I went into the interview with the most agreeable attitude, i was sure i had that position in the bag, only to be told that due to my own mental illness, I would be unable to handle the position i was applying for, and not only that but i was recommended to not take ANY uni courses until i had resolved the problem.
I got home to my parents and my mother sat me down and explained that at the age of six, i was diagnosed with borderline Aspergers. My first reaction was, "I know what that is and i'm pretty damn sure I don't have it." But my mother was adamant that I suffered from it. So I started thinking and i came to the conclusion that while i now know I apparently suffer from this, I don't think it's right to restrict my learning capabilities because of it, I mean, I'm no different from anyone else and i don't feel that this problem is bad enough to warrant such a decision, especially from someone who doesn't even know me well enough to judge me from a fair point of view.
has this ever occurred to you, have you ever been limited or restricted because of something you're not in control of and something that is not even a problem. I mean, it's the same kind of discrimination that someone would suffer from if they were black, or poor, Just because they have issues that are outside of there control doesn't mean that they should be put at such a disadvantage. Take a poor person for example, It doesn't seem fair that if you can afford to pay for private education that you should be granted an elated status from anyone else that cannot afford that kind of privilege. That is borderline classwar. And this is mainly a finger pointing at the Australian government, Why is it that there is such a gap between status classes. I mean, because I have this supposed illness, now I can't get the job i wanted and possibly other jobs in the future, why should I be limited by this? Why should anyone be limited by these things. It is not necessarily the governments entire fault, but it isn't exactly on their list of things that have been fixed either.
Why is it that disadvantaged people get to feel so different from average Joes? Shouldn't you be attempting to integrate these people, not segregate them? Since when did that line be crossed?
I'm mainly talking from personal experience, and while that is limited at that stage, I think this is possibly a major problem. I know this is much like the steven hawking charade, I only noticed this after i was told I was part of this situation, if I had not been told then I probably wouldn't care as much.
What is your stance on this?
Do you think disadvantaged people are segregated, if so how much?
If you think they should be segregated, why?