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Press Junketeer  Posts: 360 Joined: 11 Oct 2008     | I may be a minority on this one, but I really loved Casino Royale (my special edition DVD is smiling at me, begging me to watch it right now instead of doing actual work). The camp was fun and my favorite 007 films were with Sean Connery, to be sure, and I'm not thrilled about the "multiple-film arc", but I understand it... and I love Daniel Craig, he's a hot piece of man. It may be a different direction than the original but I really loved Casino Royale and plan on seeing Quantum of Solace at least once... |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 980 Joined: 24 May 2008   | I can't consider Casino Royale a proper Bond film. Even if it was a good movie, and I am not prepared to concede that, it was absolutely unrecognizable as Bond. I actually think Daniel Craig might have made a really good 007- but we'll never know. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3310 Joined: 10 Oct 2008    | I like Casino Royale as well. Daniel Craig is the BEST damn Bond since Connery, period. All the other guys were lame and super cheesy. Damn stupid one liners and shit. Brosnan was the WORST. What a loser. Craig put the bad ass back into Bond. I cannot wait for Quantum of Solace. Supposedly it takes off right after the last one e3nded. That is just righteous! And Craig does not take it in a diffrent direction than the original. He puts if back on track like the original. Less stupid jokes, less cheese, and less dumb ass gadgets. It was all the other Bond movies after Connery left that put all that jack assery into the Bond series. Why do you think Connery left? Too many gadgets and too many stupid one liners. Connery and Craig are more like the source material in the books by Ian Fleming. Sure Bond uses cool gadgets and is flippant, but he does not need to depend on technology to get the job done. His mind and his fists are enough to kick anyone's ass. |
On the Record  Posts: 5946 Joined: 7 Mar 2008     | well i personally love the Bond movies, probly some of my favorite movies of all time and i could watch them over and over as for it being a multi-movie arc, they did that in the previous ones as well, it's just they were so disjointed it wasn't that oblivious. as was said Sir Sean was definitely the best bond, tho i am tempted to say Pierce was better than Roger, tho at best they are tied. Dalton just sucked. as for Craig well he has a lot of potential HOWEVER he's said he's not sure how much longer he wants to do Bond, which sux cause he seems pretty good so far also this is also based on one of the Ian Flemming novelettes, so it should be good and have some great bond lines in it. i for one love the camp in the movies as a lot of the tongue in cheek humour was pretty good and funny, even as sexist as the "Oh James" lines are the Bond girls really aren't and are a lot of tongue in cheek humour |
On the Record Posts: 5946 Joined: 7 Mar 2008 |
George Lazenby and/or Timothy Dalton take that trophy, i thought Pierce wasn't a bad bond, he just had some bad scripts to work with is all |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 980 Joined: 24 May 2008 |
Even though I disliked the movie, I agree with you about Daniel Craig. Might have been a great Bond. EDIT: I didn't dislike Brosnan, to be honest, and I think Goldeneye was a great movie. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 659 Joined: 10 Aug 2008   | I prefer it, the olden James Bonds were getting repetitive and unoriginal. For example, almost all of the movies plots were bad guy blows shit up, Bond infiltrate bad guys base, Bond gets captured, escape, some unimportant people die, defeat bad guy, get girl, sleep with girl, girl never gets a mention again, Bond continues his life as a bachelor and a man slag. I'm sorry but that's just a shit, cliched formula to the genre that Bond resides in. And it brings up the stereotype that the British are all spies. That or wizards (Thanks to Harry Potter). -Ricky |
BANNED  Posts: 829 Joined: 9 Aug 2008    |
I don't understand. User was banned for: Half-wits to the left of me, Wankers to the right. (Permanent) |
Press Junketeer Posts: 360 Joined: 11 Oct 2008 |
' Dalton was the worst, but I also really disliked Roger Moore's Bond. As for tongue-in-cheek, that's still in the new Bond movies, albeit in a more subtle, yet funny way ("You're not my type." "Smart?" "Single."). I hope Daniel Craig stays on for awhile, and I hope it stays the way it is- no stupid gadgets, no cars with missiles... Brosnan would've been pretty decent if it'd stayed like GoldenEye, but Die Another Day was just... retarded. |
Paperboy Posts: 48 Joined: 25 Sep 2008 |
To be fair, Lazenby was only in one. I don't think we got a great glimpse of what he would've done with Bond. As for why he only did one movie, I honestly don't know. If I recall, OHMSS was a bit different from the usual Bond formula, but it's been a long time since I've seen it. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3310 Joined: 10 Oct 2008 |
Sure it is, but it is like Connery and the books, flippant, yet subtle. But it seems we are both on the same page here. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2849 Joined: 8 Jul 2008    | I was never a huge fan of James Bond but I loved Casino Royal, I think I prefer the more realistic turn it's taken. And Daniel Craig is pretty darn hot for 40 :D |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 980 Joined: 24 May 2008 |
Forgive me for not elaborating, but it strains my nerves. And honestly, I know it's been so long that I can't even remember a lot of the details that led to my conclusion. I thought the movie was humorless, celebrated the male physique rather than the female, presented Bond as more emo than badass, and gave him a very different relationship to women. Overall, I thought Bond's attitude wasn't Bondesque at all. I wish I could do a better job- feel free to discount my opinion because I can't remember many of the details that led me to it. But I know that when I watched that movie, I was genuinely taken aback every time they used the word "Bond." I just couldn't connect that movie with the notions I already had. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 360 Joined: 11 Oct 2008 |
No, I totally agree. I was talking about the less subtle, in-your-face, stupid dialogue of later films. Connery was the man, and I think the humor now gets back to what it should be. But you're right, we're on the same page :D |
On the Record Posts: 5946 Joined: 7 Mar 2008 | as for Bronsan, Goldeneye was good, Tommorrow Never dies wasn't that great, the world is not enough was a bit better, die another day was a lot better the issue is they aren't using scripts based on Ian Flemming's novels so you have people trying to be him and not doing so great a job |
Paperboy Posts: 48 Joined: 25 Sep 2008 |
I still found some humor in it, albeit some of it may have been more directed towards Bond fans. As for the celebration of the male physique, it could be argued that the Bond series objectified the female presence and celebrated instead the "irresistible" male machismo that blessed British agent. Not necessarily my personal opinion, but merely playing the devil's advocate. |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 980 Joined: 24 May 2008 |
Actually, I think that's a much better way of putting it. Casino Royale did not objectify the female presence. It definitely celebrated the male machismo (oh God did it celebrate it), but it took a completely different approach to it than previous Bonds, in my opinion. This Bond was eye-candy for the ladies, while the rest had a different draw that men could appreciate and emulate. It's subjective, but this one was just too different for me. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3310 Joined: 10 Oct 2008 |
Goldeneye was good because it was a good movie not because of Brosnan. Personally I have wished that Craig was in Goldeneye instead of Brosnan. Now that would kick ass. ;) |
Press Junketeer Posts: 360 Joined: 11 Oct 2008 |
My brain can't even fathom how amazing that is. If I try to think about it too much, I might have an aneurysm. That's how awesome it would be. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3310 Joined: 10 Oct 2008 |
Hells to the yes friend. ;) |
Paperboy Posts: 48 Joined: 25 Sep 2008 |
I think there was still a bit to look at for the men, too. Eva Green, for instance. But as you said, it's subjective. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 783 Joined: 27 Aug 2008  | Casino Royale is my favourite Bond film in years. I was so bored with the gadgets and cardboard villians that the departure from all that just felt right. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 360 Joined: 11 Oct 2008 |
Mads Mikkelsen = way creepy, but still human. I loved his characterization :D |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2013 Joined: 24 Sep 2008  | I don't see how anyone can complain about Casino Royale breaking a tired and outdated formula. Casino Royale was actually an interesting, good movie, and was the best Bond film in decades (that I've seen, at least). |
Press Junketeer Posts: 360 Joined: 11 Oct 2008 |
This is slightly OT, but your avatar made me think of how it started in B&W. Ah. That was classic. |
Paperboy Posts: 48 Joined: 25 Sep 2008 |
Even more off-topic, but I maintain that Casino Royale had the best intro of all the Bond films. Especially the opening credits. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 360 Joined: 11 Oct 2008 |
And now the theme song is stuck in my head. Damn you, Chris Cornell! |
Video Producer  Posts: 1108 Joined: 19 Feb 2006    | I enjoy the new style. Although a high stakes game of poker isn't much better then space lasers and such. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2381 Joined: 6 Mar 2008   | Tess of the D'Urbervilles (aka Gemma Arterton) is the new Bond girl. It has to be good. And for what it's worth I quite liked Timothy Dalton. License to Kill is my favourite Bond movie. |
BANNED  Posts: 3486 Joined: 25 Aug 2008   | I'll watch it, just to satisfy my sheer love for Bond, but in my opinion not only are the films downgrades on the books, but Sean Connery was the true Bond. I love the films and will always watch them, but they've lost some of their class and have fallen into the trap of satisfying a "modern" audience... explosions and dramatic fight scenes galore. I kind of miss the style. Although Craig is alright, I preferred him in Layer Cake. User was banned for: The Second Annual Escapist Election: Part 1: Presidential Primaries. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1011 Joined: 1 Dec 2007  |
Because its healthy to strangle a man to death with your bare hands, and have a quip be the extent of one's emotional reaction. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 610 Joined: 12 Aug 2008    | my only regret on quantam of solace are; 1 no Q hes awsome |
Press Junketeer Posts: 360 Joined: 11 Oct 2008 |
There wasn't a Q in Casino Royale, either; and Moneypenny! I honestly thought Eva Green was Moneypenny at first and was sad when she wasn't, but it wouldn't have made sense if she was... Agree on the second point, though. |
On the Record Posts: 5946 Joined: 7 Mar 2008 |
yes but the high stakes game of poker is what happened in the book also Bronsan could have replaced Moore but he had just finished Remington Steel and they were afraid too many ppl would compare him to that role considering how alike the two were he was a good Bond, just had bad scripts is all |
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...and it got me wondering, how does everyone feel about this turn in the James Bond franchise? Do they enjoy the slightly darker turn the series is taking, or do they miss the campy fun of previous installments? Or how do they like this multiple film story arc or prefer the episodic isolated and self-contained stories of the older films? Or do they even like Daniel Craig?