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Copy Clerk  Posts: 107 Joined: 30 Aug 2008     | |
Copy Clerk Posts: 107 Joined: 30 Aug 2008 |
Bolded in your quote~ |
On the Record  Posts: 6389 Joined: 24 Apr 2008     |
I mean, why have you attributed that entire passage to me when i did not write it? EDIT: It was Alleged_Alec |
Copy Clerk Posts: 107 Joined: 30 Aug 2008 |
OH! I'm sorry. XD |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 596 Joined: 20 May 2008     |
Lol, dude. The American Presidents supreme power is his control over foreign policy! Truth be told, the American President does not have that much control over the American state in comparison to how much control he has over the states foreign policy, so i believe we have every right to have a say in what he does, because it will almost always have a major effect on foreign countries! 250k a year not higher class? dude, i think the government has every right to increase taxes on people earning over 250k, that is still a phenomenal amount of money! |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1878 Joined: 22 Jul 2008    |
Amen to that brother! If someone's got no job, it is obviously their own fault. If they were actually trying then I know damn well they'd be millionares. Simple as that. And fuck healthcare while we're at it, you know who people have to blame for getting sick? Mmhmm, themselves, so bugger helping them out, if they wanted help they should have made themselves important, because the proper moral pursuit is only achievement of self happiness with man as the heroic being, compounded with rational self interest so screw the poor and- ...oh hang on a second, how the hell did we end up in an objectivist society? |
King of the Yetis  Posts: 2539 Joined: 15 Jul 2008    |
I've seen a fair few splicers wandering around on wall street. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1878 Joined: 22 Jul 2008 |
They'll get ya, watch out for them. I do feel left out not having played that though, I don't even know what a splicer looks like. |
King of the Yetis Posts: 2539 Joined: 15 Jul 2008 |
Pretty much exactly like people who work on Wall Street. But older. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 162 Joined: 4 Dec 2007     | It's not the only reason, but a rather important reason why I like Obama is simply that he's Democrat and not Republican. Most republicans simply don't serve their country. They serve themselves and their big bucks buddies in the industry. Almost everyone in every country around the world knows this, except in the US. The only explanation I have for this is that many major news networks in the US, such as Fox News, are republican-controlled and only report in their "fair-and-balanced" stile, such as the balance between Britney Spears boobs. I guess that helps in keeping people ignorant. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 884 Joined: 19 Sep 2008    | It just seems to me as a non-American that it wouldn't matter who is in charge of the Democrats or Republicans. The majority stick to their vote through their whole lives, basically in favour of right-wing or left-wing. |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 706 Joined: 8 Sep 2008  | reasons to vote for obama |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1766 Joined: 2 Jul 2008    |
Excellent post. Could you maybe say what you like about Obama and/or his policies? As an Englishman I could only suggest that Americans liked his youth, vigor, style, charisma and oratorical skills. Personally, I'm disappointed Hilary Clinton isn't a candidate (I think things are so bad with Iraq, Afganistan, Health Care, and the Economy) that the US (and the World) needs the benefit of 3 Presidents, not 1 (and not someone who has not been in the White House already). In case you are wondering, the 3 Presidents you would effectively get are: Hilary Clinton - former First Lady, standing as an Independent There is also the post of Vice President to consider and it may make sense to have someone from the US Green Party. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3285 Joined: 23 Oct 2007    |
Hillary Clinton hates computer games. That's enough reason for us not to want her as a candidate. |
Paperboy  Posts: 23 Joined: 14 Oct 2008  | Can you smelllllllll what Barack is cookin'?! |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 90 Joined: 26 Jan 2007    | If I was an American voter, I'd be voting for Obama because I agree with his positions on more things than any Republican. But even if I had some major disagreements with Obama, at least he's got a cool head and enough sense to examine the situation and take advice before coming to a decision. In recent weeks, McCain has shown himself to be nothing short of reckless, cynical and frankly dangerous; I honestly believe that, with the best intentions in the world, McCain would cause irreparable damage to the United States both at home and abroad. And that's not even touching on the disaster that's likely to happen if Palin was ever to get the Oval. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 356 Joined: 28 Aug 2008  | He's least likely to shove Christianity down American's throats, he has a liberal voting record (in my book, that's a good thing). Less likely to invade another country and start world war three and just seems like a decent person, who's had experience of the lowest rung of the ladder. Shame i can't vote 'cause i'm English. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1766 Joined: 2 Jul 2008 |
Personally, I'd be more worried about having a President who did. I wouldn't be surprised if George W. Bush liked Command & Conquer. Could explain a lot. |
Muckraker  Posts: 332 Joined: 15 Jul 2008   | McCain knows when and how to use the military, Obama does not... As a military family in the US I will be voting for McCain. PS.... socialism failed. The only country still using it is China... and they now employ the free market in everything but politics. Americans want everything and dont want to pay for it. Just look at your roads and bridges. Alabama refused to increase the sales tax for 3% so they had to release convicts from jail. And now you want Healthcare? How in the world are you going to pay for it?? The US has over a trillion in debt, social security is broken. In the UK we payed a 17% tax on EVERYTHING. Thats how they have socialised medicine. You pay what 7% sales? Get a grip.. McCain all the way. Not to mention the south is worried about Obama being assisinated or something. At the end of the day though America has more to worry about then just a president. You have a terrible "Yes Sir" media, your congress is easily lead (just look at the Iraq invasion) and the people seem to be 1 click above retarded. Do they even know how much socialised medicine costs? Do you think the doctors are going to stick around when they become gov't employees? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1821 Joined: 7 Jul 2008     | Initially I liked Obama because he was something different. A (comparitively) young candidate of African-American background is pretty much the furthest we've had from the norm in a while. I also liked him because he seemed level-headed enough in discussion and regualr discourse. Then when the dissent from the loyal opposition (or not I guess given what some of the supporters said to that cameraman...) started up, I began to start to just want him to win out of spite for the way some (not all) of the Republicans were acting. Also McCain just seems like his time has passed. 4 or 8 years ago I think he would've stood a real chance, but now he's changed into a standard GOP-line-toeing supporter. It disheartens me because I really liked him and I almost considered voting for him before it became clear nothing was going to change. Ultimately though the final thing added to why I like him is because he represents a Palin-free Executive branch. It's hard enough trying to figure out why anybody would think destroying a wildlife reserve for oil is an awesome idea, add that to her ideas and lack of experience (like, oh say, never being out of North America) you can practically see the car wreck that she'd bring to the White House. I know some of Obama's goals and plans (like the tax relief plan) are lofty given the state of our economy, but the fact that he at least HAS the plan is good by me. And it just feels that he has the best interests of everyone at hand. I don't see why everyone says socialism is a bad thing. Perhaps some of them think it equals communism (which it does not) and perhaps others are worried they won't be so rich they can buy stupid shit they don't need. But I don't care about them, I care about everyone and I want everyone to be getting a fair shake unlike the last 8 years. And it's not like just because you're instituting socialist/other left wing policies it means it will be EXACTLY like every other country. After all our law enforcement, fire departments, public libraries, and post offices are socialized. And that seems to be working out just fine. |
Red Guard Posts: 3542 Joined: 27 Mar 2008 |
At best, Obama's policies are "socialist" in the same way that Western Europe is "socialist." If you're gonna say that Western Europe doesn't qualify as "socialist," there's no point in using that label on Obama. -- Alex |
Copy Clerk Posts: 107 Joined: 30 Aug 2008 |
Again, it's an opinion. You don't have to mock me for it. |
Paperboy  Posts: 41 Joined: 15 Jul 2008   | I suppose I'll be a black sheep, no pun intended, on this thread and tell you why I will not support Obama. To start the list is the fact that he is heavily influenced by Karl Marx and his Communist Manifesto, but then again so is a majority of the liberal congressmen. For instance, Obama wants to raise taxes on people who make over $250,000/year, the people who fall into this category are the people that make jobs for others, aka the 'evil rich.' What we learned from the tax cuts on the rich during the Reagen and early Bush years was that when you cut taxes on the rich that new jobs become available in a trickle down effect of the money the rich are now being allowed to keep. Second reason would be his ties to the former weather underground terrorist William Ayers. A few of his talking heads are still denying that the two have any connection at all. The ones that actually admit he and the terrorist are related defend that relationship by saying he, Barrack, was only eight at the time of the bombings. That is like saying it is okay to be friends with Adolf Hitler because he was killing millions of Jews when you were eight. It is one thing to be a friend of someone before he commits acts of domestic terrorism, it is quite another to be start being friends with someone who has had his actions documented and regrets not doing more. Thirdly, I've heard a few people on the liberal news shows say that Obama would be a return to what the founders of the country wanted for it. Never mind that the founders had slaves; that's a can of worms I don't feel like opening yet. Back to the rant, reading the US Constitution and US Bill of Rights lead me to believe that the Founding Fathers wanted a more locally run government, meaning that you answered to the state long before you were brought to D.C. The only exception to this was during times of war, as right they should be, but in the past 100 years the role of government has become more intrusive in our lives, so much so that they can legally look in your bank account without your knowledge or permission. Obama wants to make the government even more centralized with things like the 'right to a job, the right to health care, the right to a brand new Porsche,' you get the idea. The Founding Fathers recognized that the only rights anyone was allowed to have were ones that didn't tread on another persons time or money. I.E. The rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. No where in the original US Constitution or US Bill of Rights does it say you have the right to another person's money or property. There is also no such thing as the right to vote in a federal election with the only exception being the House of Representatives. The Senate vote was changed from the State legislators to the people of the state, thus making Canada represented in DC but not the state of New York, the people of New York but not the state. Fourth and Fifth, Obama can't talk without prepared questions or a teleprompter. When Obama was 'ambushed' with the question 'knowing what you know now, would you still vote against the surge,' he stammered an answer out saying, through all the uhs, basically 'no, because I hate Bush.' He may have great charisma but that's pretty much it. To lengthen this paragraph I'll through in his disdain for the military. Obama, like most if not all of his liberal colleagues, doesn't like the military unless they are doing something they shouldn't, then its finger pointing time. Obama's gems of statements on the military include 'bombing villages and killing civilians.' Putting this man in charge of the military would be like putting a chocoholic in charge of an addiction rehabilitation clinic, irresponsible. Reason Six: These people
Lastly, cause I know you're about to send me the pms calling me a racist, is the race card defense everyone pulls for him. Calling him skinny is racist, discussing his past as a community organizer for ACORN is racist, challenging any policy of his you don't agree with is racist. You'd think that after a year and a half the American people would be sick and tired of this crap, but your average citizen gets their news from E! Tonight and other celebrity worshiping programs. And for those of you who will call me a racist: Racism is the belief that one race is genetically superior to all other races. I.E. The Nazis and their Aryan race. Bringing up facts about a single person is not racist. |
Red Guard Posts: 3542 Joined: 27 Mar 2008 |
-- Alex |
Paperboy Posts: 41 Joined: 15 Jul 2008 | -- Alex[/quote] I'm not saying Obama has an ongoing relationship with the terrorist. I'm saying that Obama had no problem relying on him when it was convenient for himself. This slight connection doesn't excuse the fact the Obama surrounds himself with Anti-American individuals. Rev Wright would be a good secondary example with his comments like 'God damn America.' This sort of talk doesn't just happen out of the blue and siting in a pew for twenty years and not raising an eyebrow until convenient says a lot about Obama. And let's not forget his seemingly best friend Raila Odinga. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1053 Joined: 23 Sep 2008 |
So is mine but I am going for Obama But my views on the republican party is that they try to make the rich richer and the poor poorer P.S. It may be off topic but i need to say this, Browns beat the Giants! Take the Yorkies! (New York, not York BTW) |
Paperboy Posts: 39 Joined: 11 May 2007  |
There are and have been wise and intelligent people who think that there should be. Presumably, because equality is a good thing. Maybe there isn't such a thing - does that automatically mean that there shouldn't be? Or does it mean that it will take change and effort to include equality with our freedoms and privileges?
I'll split this hair, because it's important. We are all equal, even when that is not acknowledged. That doesn't mean that we all demonstrate the same merits or that we've earned the same privileges. Some of us aren't work the fscking air we breathe. There are abuses of the social safety nets, of course. There are also abuses of the wealth systems too - embezzlement, theft, and fraud. But that's not enough to throw out capitalism and the free market, any more than it's a reason to knock out the supports either. All I'm emphasizing is that a little equality goes a long way - none of us in the "free" world work completely on our own, no matter what we think. Or are you unaware that the social safety net includes funding that supports the kind of college education that you - and I - paid for by working our asses off? We didn't pay the whole cost. We paid enough of the cost to make up what the tax system and other funding didn't cover. I hope you enjoy your life of privilege as much as I enjoy mine. Every day, thousands of people in your country and mine turn their lives(or their corporations) around with a little outside help. From their government and us, the citizens and taxpayers, or friends, or family. For just one moment, let's allow that some will abuse the privilege and never get off of our fscking couch until we have the living room moved out from underneath them, and let's ignore them for that moment. Thousands more take a few years in social housing, or welfare, or a government backed business loan and build or rebuild. If I never need another nickel from the government, if I never need welfare or social support, I still need there to be a social support system. Because my privileges disappear when all those thousands are unable to catch the moment's respite they need to again become productive, contributing members of my society.
Close-ish to where we seem to be today - but we've got a little bit more social security protecting us from harm. It won't be this bad. For some of us, however, it will be this bad, and a lot of those will slip through the cracks no matter how much we feel that the sweat of a person's brow is enough to see him or her overcome difficulties. Some of that failure of the security net will be that the system will be abused. It's not the role of government to give us all equal lives. But at the least, they should be safegaurding our opportunity to build our own lives. A good house is built under a solid roof and atop a strong foundation. You need both. Which most of us would probably agree on, where we all differ from each other, generally, is the how. Which is why there are elections - another privilege of our equality. ;) |
BANNED  Posts: 35 Joined: 14 Oct 2008  | Out of the two, lesser of the two evils. But the people who are sucked in by the personality cult aspect disgust me. They're the kind of people who would have followed hitler, because they're swayed by charisma and rainbow-tinted speeches rather than facts User was banned for: Poll: Eating Meat, Is It Barbaric?. (Permanent) |
Paperboy  Posts: 45 Joined: 23 Aug 2007 |
It is fine that if you don't like the man, and fine if you won't vote for him. What is NOT fine, however, is if you make those decisions based on misinformation. 1. On his citizenship - He HAS released his birth certificate. It has been presented on his own website, and through a TON of media outlets. This issue is not even up for discussion anymore. 2. Obama, Sr. and Raila Odinga - Obama's father has been revealed to be close friends with the guy behind the current Kenyan genocide? What Kenyan genocide are you talking about? Are you confusing Kenya with Rwanda or Sudan? There is in-fighting amongst Kenyan politicians and their supporters, which has resulted in a number of deaths, but it is not a genocide. Secondly, Obama's father is DEAD, and has been since 1982. Barack barely knew him. Heck, he probably knows Bill Ayers better than his father. So trying to connect Barack to a non-existent genocide only shows your ignorance. Also, for the record, Obama, Sr. was a well-recognized and well-respected figure throughout Kenya, so there were many who would name him a friend or close associate. 3. On Bill Ayers - Like others have said, Ayers is well-connected within the education system of Illinois, where has done GOOD work. Have you bothered to look at what board Obama and Ayers were on together? An anti-poverty group. Hardly a terrorist organization. And NOT to defend Ayers actions of many years ago, but his meaning in saying he wished he had "done more" did NOT refer to more terrorist activity, but more for the "movement", which had some good ideology, just bad methods. He does not think NOW that more bombings were necessary. If you're going to vote for or against a person, at least make sure you have the FACTS. If you want to truly be an educated and informed member of our citizenry, then read from a variety of sources - even those that seem to go against your preconceptions. I am so tired of people spreading misinformation. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1053 Joined: 23 Sep 2008 |
THANK YOU |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1766 Joined: 2 Jul 2008 | If you think the deregulation of the US financial system by the party most responsible for 'cutting red-tape' was a good idea and... If you think the government's response to Hurricane Katrina was rapid despite it being in a region not known for voting Republican and... If you think it was a prudent allocation of military resources to assign less troops to searching the caves of Afganistan and Pakistan and... If you think the invasion of Iraq and overthrow of Saddam Hussein has brought greater stability and democracy to the Middle East, then you should definitely vote for McCain and Palin of the Republican Party next month. I expect you can guess where I'm going with this... |
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Paperboy Posts: 45 Joined: 23 Aug 2007 |
Wow, Serge, I'm trying to remain civil here, but you're a douchebag. How do you go from this connection... Raila Odinga ---acquaintance---> Barack Obama, Sr. ---absentee father of---> Barack Obama, Jr. to Raila Odinga ---best friend of---> Barack Obama, Jr. I guess friendship is hereditary, huh? Are you seriously out of your mind, or are you just trying to butcher the facts? And while we're at it, what do you even know about Raila Odinga? Since when does anyone in the Republican party or the right-wing branch of our citizenry give a damn about anything that's going on in Africa? This country has done nothing in the face of ACTUAL genocides (in Sudan and Rwanda), but now suddenly politicians and biased pundits care about some vague (i.e. non-existent) connection between a presidential candidate and a Kenyan politician? If you can't see this for the smear campaign it is, then frankly, you are a moron. And by the way, I've got this helicopter ejector seat I'd like to sell you... |
Beat Writer  Posts: 168 Joined: 2 Sep 2008  | If I was gonna vote, it'd be Obama. Why? Plenty of reasons. I don't need to list it out again, but just one: the other choice is McCain. I don't like what Republicans made of the lipstick on a pig issue, either. Sure, let's ignore the fact that no one with half a working brain would actually think about saying that on national television. And the sad part is, people are actually bought this crap. You cheeseburger-inhaling Yanks. And of course, neither Hilary nor Ron Paul got in. Damn you, Hasbro! EDIT: Oh yes, that's right. He has no experience. His plans are good, but he "has no experience". Yeah, so let's vote for McCain instead. Because being a POW DEFINITELY helps you in being president. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 135 Joined: 21 Aug 2008   | I'm not going to be voting for Obama/Biden ticket for several reasons. Indeed, they are the lesser evil compared to McCain/Palin, but that in and of itself is not reason to vote for him, nor is it because he's "not Republican" for people voting like they're supporting a sports team, nor does it mean Obama/Biden are not themselves evil. I will not vote for Obama/Biden mostly revolving around his support for PATRIOT, FISA + retroactive immunity. Sure, he hemmed and hawwed and vowed to make a better bill later in either case, but that means diddly squat to me in the political world, and I've yet to see him follow that promise. Biden himself tried to claim credit for PATRIOT and went so far as to say it *didn't go far enough*! For two people who taught constitutional law to support and go as far as want to ENHANCE such a breach of civil rights... I also remember Obama promising to filibuster any attempt on retroactive immunity, but that took a complete 180 when it actually hit the vote. That's not even going into Biden's RIAA-bought self, especially now that we have an IP tech czar. At least with McCain/Palin, they state their position and stick to it. Obama/Biden play dirty word games. That sort of complicates things when you realize we'd have a democratically controlled legislative branch and a democrat president. That is just way too much leeway for democrats to get their power grabs. I also strongly dislike the socialistic programs he suggests including health care. With so many government subsidies keeping bad auto makers, banks, insurance and oil companies propped up, is it really such a surprise that these areas are so out of whack? If you think health care is expensive now, wait till it's "free." The solution to these situations is to get the dirty grubby hands of the government out of these systems and let the market control them naturally. And for anyone trying to claim I don't support old people (or some such other ridiculous argument for not supporting government funded health care): "We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain." Neither Obama nor McCain deserve this seat. Go third party. |
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I appreciate it, and hope those Kudos can be exchanged for a lower rent.
:V Obama is going to raise taxes to insurance companies, which will cause them to punish us. That's the MAIN reason I don't like him. He doesn't think in the long term, that's the main democrat problem, they fix things with Duct Tape.
Republicans, however, use unrealistically slow drying rubber cement. It eventually works, but it take so long that by the time it's fixed, it doesn't matter anyway.
It's why they should work together to create some sort of quick drying cement.
But a Democrat and a Republican working together? IN AMERICA? Unthinkable.