omg my boys and are getting sooooooooooooo trashed!!! America made history! good times are coming! Obama has so much to live up to that i know he wont just get walk into the oval office and sit on his hands for 8 years like Bush did. I garuntee you right now, he is making a plan so that day one in office he will sit down and say "alright we need to do this this this and this and get it done ASAP!" Sorry if i dont make sense, ive had 3 sparks and alot of hookah WOOOOOOOOO today i am damn proud to be an american!!
Higher taxes equal better public services and better gun control means that people like you who perhaps might want to murder somebody or let every criminal murder people with guns. Murder rate in the US is way higher than pretty much everywhere that has good gun control. You think trying to lower murder rate is a bad thing?
People who like lower taxes are evidently those who just want it easy for the well of while letting the poor starve to death and not get a decent education etc. They are in general selfish pigs too, not just the people wo get handouts.
But some of us like to take care of our own lives rather then have a paternalistic government to take care of us from cradle to grave. People who are for lower taxes are generally for keeping more of what they make, and realize that wealth trickles down(generally) And here in america no poor starve to death(there is Foodstamps WIC government housing, education is free, healthcare is almost free for many(medicare, tenncare,etc) I mean my god how much more can you ask for. In this country you are given every opportunity to make something of yourself. Why do we need even more government services (and higher taxes on me) just because people are to stupid or lazy to fend for themselves.
Regarding the bolding, please show me proof that this has worked... ever. It seems to me that since the 80s, with the combination of economic deregulation and other Reaganomic policies, the top 1% now controls the vast majority of American wealth. That doesn't seem like anything's trickling down.
Then again, in wacky conservative world, up IS down, isn't it? Just like freedom is torture, war is peace, domestic disasters means effective presidential leadership... etc. etc. etc.
Higher taxes equal better public services and better gun control means that people like you who perhaps might want to murder somebody or let every criminal murder people with guns. Murder rate in the US is way higher than pretty much everywhere that has good gun control. You think trying to lower murder rate is a bad thing?
People who like lower taxes are evidently those who just want it easy for the well of while letting the poor starve to death and not get a decent education etc. They are in general selfish pigs too, not just the people wo get handouts.
But some of us like to take care of our own lives rather then have a paternalistic government to take care of us from cradle to grave. People who are for lower taxes are generally for keeping more of what they make, and realize that wealth trickles down(generally) And here in america no poor starve to death(there is Foodstamps WIC government housing, education is free, healthcare is almost free for many(medicare, tenncare,etc) I mean my god how much more can you ask for. In this country you are given every opportunity to make something of yourself. Why do we need even more government services (and higher taxes on me) just because people are to stupid or lazy to fend for themselves.
Because some of those services include schools. Which I don't know about you, but last year, in my county alone we had three close. Due to lack of funds.
Were they good schools? Maybe some of the money went to training teachers and improving the other school systems. Maybe some of the saved money turned some schools into learning academy's instead of 7-hour long day care centers. As many of my teachers put it "Quality, not quantity".
sneakypenguin: Sad day for america at least the dems didn't get a supermajority in the house(to my knowlege) So its good for you libs who support someone who is for higher taxes on my company and family. someone who wants to use the power of government to spread the wealth around, for anti gun prez, for someone who thinks the bill of rights is a bill of negative rights. for someone who is pro govn't regulation of the free market, for someone who wants to use courts to.... O I give up for the night needless to say I look forward to hearing my business professors lament this tomorrow.
Higher taxes? Easy fix, tell your idiotic company to stop outsourcing. Obama isn't raising taxes on corporations, he's ending tax cuts for those that outsource. Do what's right and your tax cut remains intact.
Anti-gun president? As far as I know he's not anti-gun, just for some gun control That's a good thing, assault weapons have no place in the hands of private citizens, PERIOD
Bill of negative rights? Sounds like you're just making up stupid shit now, Obama has never said anything to indicate that he opposes anything in the Bill of Rights.
Regulation of the free market? Again, a good idea. Allowing corporations to do whatever they want without anyone keeping an eye on them leaves you wide open for bullshit like Enron.
Spreading the wealth around? Again, there's no issue with this. It's our duty as responsible citizens to care for all members of our nation, that includes the indigent and disadvantaged.
Ice Storm: Ugh, disappointing. Obama winning makes me question America. *sigh*
The options we had to choose from makes me question America. Seriously, I thought the choice between last election's Giant Douche and Turd Sandwich was bad (Aka Bush and Kerry). One more election of retarded leaders just might make me up and move to another country.
sneakypenguin: for someone who is pro govn't regulation of the free market, for someone who wants to use courts to.... O I give up for the night needless to say I look forward to hearing my business professors lament this tomorrow.
Regulation of the free market? Again, a good idea. Allowing corporations to do whatever they want without anyone keeping an eye on them leaves you wide open for bullshit like Enron.
Not to mention the CURRENT SITUATION we're in.
Jesus... does anybody still think economic deregulation is a good thing anymore? Don't you pay any attention to what the key figures in economics have said these past few weeks?
For just one example, Greenspan basically admitted he screwed up and that economic deregulation directly lead us into the situation we're currently in.
If your business professors are lamenting a return to economic regulation, change schools now. Your professors are idiots.
*shakes head* Well I suppose not everyone values individuality and freedom as I do. To each their own opinion I suppose
All government implies the loss of freedom. From property rights to the police, all of this means we lose freedoms. If freedom was so invaluable that it wasn't worth trading there would be no laws against murder, and no property rights for which to get rich on in the first place. The question isn't do we lose freedom because the answer to that is always going to be yes. The question is whether or not the trade in freedom is worth it. The freedom of the top 1% to become ridiculously wealthy in exchange for the bottom 60% being better of is most definitely worth it. Especially when one considers said top 1%s wealth was bought by taking away the freedom of said bottom 60%.
I don't know much about the two candidates or their policies (American parties tend to be less clear cut than English ones. At least in name) but I think no matter who won it would be a big step forward for the states. Either the first black president or the first female V.P, either way that's a monumental step and it makes a big statement to other nations who, sometimes unfairly, label Americans as backwards, racist, pricks.
Ice Storm: Ugh, disappointing. Obama winning makes me question America. *sigh*
The options we had to choose from makes me question America. Seriously, I thought the choice between last election's Giant Douche and Turd Sandwich was bad (Aka Bush and Kerry). One more election of retarded leaders just might make me up and move to another country.
We can't put or best citizens for leadership that would be dumb!
And here in america no poor starve to death(there is Foodstamps WIC government housing, education is free, healthcare is almost free for many(medicare, tenncare,etc) I mean my god how much more can you ask for. In this country you are given every opportunity to make something of yourself. Why do we need even more government services (and higher taxes on me) just because people are to stupid or lazy to fend for themselves.
The poor and homeless starve to death more than you'd think. Homeless shelters are underfunded and soup kitchens/food pantries have a great deal of trouble keeping shelves stocked. I'm not going to really touch on food stamps, they do work in some cases. But, you mention government housing, yet fail to acknowledge how government housing projects are some of the most dangerous places in America to live and have a much higher per capita murder rate than the cities they are located in.
Education is free? Hardly. You, I, and every other working citizen pays a school tax, yet that tax is often misappropriated and used to fund wars. Public education in America is underfunded, in some cases outdated, and in general just pathetic.
Free healthcare? I can't believe you even went there, there's no such thing as free healthcare in America. Sure, you can sometimes get a deeply reduced rate for some things, but if it's not an immediate threat to your life you're shit out of luck if you can't afford it. And, when you can get any kind of assistance with healthcare you're sent to an underfunded and overworked outreach that is staffed by under-qualified health care workers.
What the heck are you guys celebrating for, he is still just another politician like all the rest. Change? Ha, how does the saying go? There is another one born every minute. (For the record I never liked McCain much either both of them are bad choices.)
Decoy Doctorpus: I don't know much about the two candidates or their policies (American parties tend to be less clear cut than English ones. At least in name) but I think no matter who won it would be a big step forward for the states. Either the first black president or the first female V.P, either way that's a monumental step and it makes a big statement to other nations who, sometimes unfairly, label Americans as backwards, racist, pricks.
Now please endavour not to shoot the guy.
Considering the reported number of deaththreats Obama has been receiving from what may well be the largest terrorist group on earth, I think that might be a bit too hopeful.
Higher taxes? Easy fix, tell your idiotic company to stop outsourcing. Obama isn't raising taxes on corporations, he's ending tax cuts for those that outsource. Do what's right and your tax cut remains intact.
Anti-gun president? As far as I know he's not anti-gun, just for some gun control That's a good thing, assault weapons have no place in the hands of private citizens, PERIOD
Spreading the wealth around? Again, there's no issue with this. It's our duty as responsible citizens to care for all members of our nation, that includes the indigent and disadvantaged.
Regarding spreading the wealth around I dont care to do that if it's of my own free will, I just have an issue with it when my government decides how much and to whom i should spread it around.
Regarding outsourcing. It's a necessary evil as companies strive to maintain a competitive advantage, plus why not relocate to a country with a friendlier tax policy and cheaper labor? it makes sense to me. Plus if you really cared about this issue how often do you strictly look for things that are made in america? How often do you by a more expensive product just because it's made in america. I hear people complain when the job goes overseas but I don't hear them complain when their goods cost X amount cheaper.
Higher taxes equal better public services and better gun control means that people like you who perhaps might want to murder somebody or let every criminal murder people with guns. Murder rate in the US is way higher than pretty much everywhere that has good gun control. You think trying to lower murder rate is a bad thing?
People who like lower taxes are evidently those who just want it easy for the well of while letting the poor starve to death and not get a decent education etc. They are in general selfish pigs too, not just the people wo get handouts.
But some of us like to take care of our own lives rather then have a paternalistic government to take care of us from cradle to grave. People who are for lower taxes are generally for keeping more of what they make, and realize that wealth trickles down(generally) And here in america no poor starve to death(there is Foodstamps WIC government housing, education is free, healthcare is almost free for many(medicare, tenncare,etc) I mean my god how much more can you ask for. In this country you are given every opportunity to make something of yourself. Why do we need even more government services (and higher taxes on me) just because people are to stupid or lazy to fend for themselves.
Because some of those services include schools. Which I don't know about you, but last year, in my county alone we had three close. Due to lack of funds.
Were they good schools? Maybe some of the money went to training teachers and improving the other school systems. Maybe some of the saved money turned some schools into learning academy's instead of 7-hour long day care centers. As many of my teachers put it "Quality, not quantity".
They were k-6. I dunno, but it seems pretty easy to teach a child that 2*2=4. Not to mention our schools here are overcrowded already, so the ones they closed only made the problem worse.
Seekster: What the heck are you guys celebrating for, he is still just another politician like all the rest. Change? Ha, how does the saying go? There is another one born every minute. (For the record I never liked McCain much either both of them are bad choices.)
Any choice FOR government is not really a choice... but between the guy who picked a VP who thinks (er... "believes"... sorry... "thinks" would require thought) the world's only 6000 years old and the guy who picked the VP with decades of congressional experience... I voted for the latter.
Regarding outsourcing. It's a necessary evil as companies strive to maintain a competitive advantage, plus why not relocate to a country with a friendlier tax policy and cheaper labor? it makes sense to me. Plus if you really cared about this issue how often do you strictly look for things that are made in america? How often do you by a more expensive product just because it's made in america. I hear people complain when the job goes overseas but I don't hear them complain when their goods cost X amount cheaper.
I buy American as much as I possibly can. I do check labels on products and have on many occasions spent a few bucks more to pick up a product with that little flag that says "MADE IN USA" on it. Hell, I even go out of my way to try my best to avoid using services from companies that outsource their call-centers for customer/tech support overseas.
To me, it's worth the extra effort and a few extra bucks here and there to support the workers of my own country rather than just mindlessly buy the cheapest shit available and not care where it was made.
California is pretty disappointing at the moment: with 29% of precints reporting, propositions 2, 8, and 9 are all passing at the moment. Together those indicate that Californians would rather enact feel-good measures (crazy feel-good measures that will do a lot of economic and social damage to California) than actual progressive social policy.
I've also heard, tentatively, that Bachmann got reelected. Again, not a good show for the US.
Decoy Doctorpus: I don't know much about the two candidates or their policies (American parties tend to be less clear cut than English ones. At least in name) but I think no matter who won it would be a big step forward for the states. Either the first black president or the first female V.P, either way that's a monumental step and it makes a big statement to other nations who, sometimes unfairly, label Americans as backwards, racist, pricks.
Now please endavour not to shoot the guy.
Considering the reported number of deaththreats Obama has been receiving from what may well be the largest terrorist group on earth, I think that might be a bit too hopeful.
Regarding outsourcing. It's a necessary evil as companies strive to maintain a competitive advantage, plus why not relocate to a country with a friendlier tax policy and cheaper labor? it makes sense to me. Plus if you really cared about this issue how often do you strictly look for things that are made in america? How often do you by a more expensive product just because it's made in america. I hear people complain when the job goes overseas but I don't hear them complain when their goods cost X amount cheaper.
I buy American as much as I possibly can. I do check labels on products and have on many occasions spent a few bucks more to pick up a product with that little flag that says "MADE IN USA" on it. Hell, I even go out of my way to try my best to avoid using services from companies that outsource their call-centers for customer/tech support overseas.
To me, it's worth the extra effort and a few extra bucks here and there to support the workers of my own country rather than just mindlessly buy the cheapest shit available and not care where it was made.
Well kudos to you then. But you have to admit most do not follow your example. If they did companies wouldn't outsorce.(and this without regulation from uncle sam) lol if only people would put their money where their mouth is the free market would work wonders :)
Higher taxes equal better public services and better gun control means that people like you who perhaps might want to murder somebody or let every criminal murder people with guns. Murder rate in the US is way higher than pretty much everywhere that has good gun control. You think trying to lower murder rate is a bad thing?
People who like lower taxes are evidently those who just want it easy for the well of while letting the poor starve to death and not get a decent education etc. They are in general selfish pigs too, not just the people wo get handouts.
But some of us like to take care of our own lives rather then have a paternalistic government to take care of us from cradle to grave. People who are for lower taxes are generally for keeping more of what they make, and realize that wealth trickles down(generally) And here in america no poor starve to death(there is Foodstamps WIC government housing, education is free, healthcare is almost free for many(medicare, tenncare,etc) I mean my god how much more can you ask for. In this country you are given every opportunity to make something of yourself. Why do we need even more government services (and higher taxes on me) just because people are to stupid or lazy to fend for themselves.
Because some of those services include schools. Which I don't know about you, but last year, in my county alone we had three close. Due to lack of funds.
Were they good schools? Maybe some of the money went to training teachers and improving the other school systems. Maybe some of the saved money turned some schools into learning academy's instead of 7-hour long day care centers. As many of my teachers put it "Quality, not quantity".
They were k-6. I dunno, but it seems pretty easy tot each a child that 2*2=4.
English classes could use a boost, but that's more about policy change than MOAR MUNNIES FRO MOAR BUKS!! There needs to be more stress on grammar and vocabulary understanding than "the teachers pick for least racist book this year".
Anti-gun president? As far as I know he's not anti-gun, just for some gun control That's a good thing, assault weapons have no place in the hands of private citizens, PERIOD
So true, i checked his website and he is all about letting LAW ABIDING CITIZENS to own guns. On his website he also posted that he not only supports hunting be reconizes it as a very valuable asset to the economy. Also serously you dont need an AK or M16 for personal use, i mean you cant use it for self defense (you shoot someone chances are your gonna hit someone in the house next to you and kill them too) and they are useless for hunting, So Retoru i am drinking to your post *chugs whats left of my Sparks*
Ice Storm: Ugh, disappointing. Obama winning makes me question America. *sigh*
The last eight years hasn't?
Yeah, I too am pretty wary of anyone who isn't questioning of his country when they begin, I dunno... torturing people?
but its so fun!
And with the above post. I have to disagree more government is always better, just look at California and their amazing growth of industry.
I believe in small government in terms of making it easy for people to thrive, but big government regulation wise in terms of industry. Problem is, it's on the books that corporations can be considered "people". Something that needs to change since it's the ultimate loop hole. I am in favor of small government, once the population shows adequate ability to govern itself.
But the government is effected by the people. The Government isn't some all powerful deity that can act on the world without fault. The problem is the government has been filled out with so much feces, bile, and piss that it negatively effects everyone. If you notice there actually a good bit of in sourcing into the United States and Americans are being given jobs by foreign countries (Automobile Industry).
Too much of anything is very counter productive. I will give you an example, Unions. They should be a good thing, they should represent the people to the companies but they are mainly just another group politicians to pay and be lobbied. Something that has helped the country change from a third-world country into power house has now become a poison.
Although Obama has started a new age for American policies we are entering a another new age that he and congress will have very little to effective control has happens in the following years. The Government has been injecting Epinephrine into our economy for the last 7 years and he have just started to get off of our high. Lets just say that no matter who is president they won't be able to do a good enough job and history will judge them poorly.
I voted for Obama, and I'm glad he won. That being said, when everybody comes down from the euphoric high of the acceptance speech (which I think was a very good one), we'll see that there's still a damned long way to go. As I said, I voted for him, but I'm nowhere NEAR as enchanted by him as some people seem to be. Obama is a great communicator of ideas - we'll see how he does as an actual doer now that he's in charge. There have been people without much experience who assumed the presidency (i.e. Lincoln and Truman) who ended up doing a good job. Others, however (i.e. Warren Harding) have done terribly.
Hopefully, he'll be a Ronald Reagan type "communicator" who can inspire people around them. I certainly hope he listens to his advisors, but not to the extent that he's just a damned puppet.
Will he live up to everything he's said he will do? He had fucking better, or else a lot of Americans will be VERY pissed.
Anti-gun president? As far as I know he's not anti-gun, just for some gun control That's a good thing, assault weapons have no place in the hands of private citizens, PERIOD
So true, i checked his website and he is all about letting LAW ABIDING CITIZENS to own guns. On his website he also posted that he not only supports hunting be reconizes it as a very valuable asset to the economy. Also serously you dont need an AK or M16 for personal use, i mean you cant use it for self defense (you shoot someone chances are your gonna hit someone in the house next to you and kill them too) and they are useless for hunting, So Retoru i am drinking to your post *chugs whats left of my Sparks*
The biggest fault in your argument is that common citizens can't own AK47's or M16's or any assault rifle for that matter legally right now as all assault rifles are fully automatic and owning a fully automatic rifle is highly illegal. It results in immediate license revoking with no chance to get it back, a long prison sentence, and/or a huge fine.
Decoy Doctorpus: Either the first black president or the first female V.P, either way that's a monumental step and it makes a big statement to other nations who, sometimes unfairly, label Americans as backwards, racist, pricks.
Now please endavour not to shoot the guy.
Yeah, so much for America being backwards. A black guy in the middle of two wars and a financial meltdown whom people were calling a socialist.
Did you happen to the the two huge bulletproof glass walls on the podium with Obama? I guess we can trust a guy to be concerned with the security of the country considering how concerned he'll have to be with security for himself!
That should be his retort to anyone who questions him on security--a Jack Nicholson-type speech from _A Few Good Men_ about how he eats his breakfast one thin pane of bulletproof glass away from thousands of racists who want to assassinate him.
Alex_P: California is pretty disappointing at the moment: with 29% of precints reporting, propositions 2, 8, and 9 are all passing at the moment. Together those indicate that Californians would rather enact feel-good measures (crazy feel-good measures that will do a lot of economic and social damage to California) than actual progressive social policy.
Well, it's good for IT in Massachusetts--no gay marriage in the Bay Area? Come work near the Kendal Square stop and get married!
mrnelsby: You gotta hand it to Obama though. His speech was far better than the one I suggested he give:
Anti-gun president? As far as I know he's not anti-gun, just for some gun control That's a good thing, assault weapons have no place in the hands of private citizens, PERIOD
So true, i checked his website and he is all about letting LAW ABIDING CITIZENS to own guns. On his website he also posted that he not only supports hunting be reconizes it as a very valuable asset to the economy. Also serously you dont need an AK or M16 for personal use, i mean you cant use it for self defense (you shoot someone chances are your gonna hit someone in the house next to you and kill them too) and they are useless for hunting, So Retoru i am drinking to your post *chugs whats left of my Sparks*
The biggest fault in your argument is that common citizens can't own AK47's or M16's or any assault rifle for that matter legally right now as all assault rifles are fully automatic and owning a fully automatic rifle is highly illegal. It results in immediate license revoking with no chance to get it back, a long prison sentence, and/or a huge fine.
First, just so you don't look like a pinhead...there's no such thing as "highly illegal", something is legal or it isn't. If something is not legal, it's illegal, there aren't varying degrees of illegality.
Next, assault weapons are current quite legal in this country. There was an assault weapons ban that was put in place by Clinton, when it came time to renew it Bush chose not to renew it despite the Senate and House both urging him to renew it. AK-47s and M-16s can be set into semi-auto and fully-auto modes, those that are legal have the fully-auto mode disabled. Not that it matters much, you can easily modify a semi-auto weapon into a fully-auto weapon by removing a few pins inside the firing chamber.
Guys, think about it. With the Obama win, America will finally have an intelligent leader at it's helm. I think that's something to be excited about for both Democrats and Republicans.
good for obama... now lets see if he lives up to the hype. i seriously thought the republicans were going to blatantly cheat their way through this one or decalare martial law during the election, i suppose a bit of my faith in humanity is restored, but theres a little thing thats bugging me: the good guy NEVER wins. now its down to whether hes been hiding something or hes going to get shot. at least biden will be pretty good. not quite the inspirational speaking thing we need, but its something and im confident either of them will be better able to fix this mess than mccain, or some retarded snow lady whos known for murdering innocent animals and being tricked by canadian radio stations.
Oh I do hope they pass the ban on gay-marriage in California, hopefully that will remind the courts that it is not their job to make legislation, course this is California we are talking about so I wont hold my breath.
Joeshie, Obama is a politician and therefore, like all politicians, cannot be considered to be truly intelligent.
Seekster: Oh I do hope they pass the ban on gay-marriage in California, hopefully that will remind the courts that it is not their job to make legislation, course this is California we are talking about so I wont hold my breath.
Joeshie, Obama is a politician and therefore, like all politicians, cannot be considered to be truly intelligent.
I would have to agree with you somewhat although I do not see anything wrong homosexuals , But I feel our checks and balances have somewhat become twisted.
omg my boys and are getting sooooooooooooo trashed!!! America made history! good times are coming! Obama has so much to live up to that i know he wont just get walk into the oval office and sit on his hands for 8 years like Bush did. I garuntee you right now, he is making a plan so that day one in office he will sit down and say "alright we need to do this this this and this and get it done ASAP!" Sorry if i dont make sense, ive had 3 sparks and alot of hookah WOOOOOOOOO today i am damn proud to be an american!!