Over the years I've been developing a real hate-on for Macs and Mac products.

I mean... when you combine the Crappy products, their lack of loyalty for their customers, those increasingly insulting advertisements and the IPhone/pod of the week!

That and the fact that Steve Jobs (founder of apple) had to buy back the very company THAT HE STARTED because the share holders ganged up and fired him over his handling of the company.

And they still claim that Mac is better than PC?! even though they can't play games, or handle complex programs, etc, etc, etc.

So am I wrong to hate Macs?

You do know that you could of just edited the first thread?

Yes because all of what you are saying is untrue and you have no evidence to support what it is you're saying. Could you maybe give some examples or statistics to back up your claims?

the rusk:
Yes because all of what you are saying is untrue and you have no evidence to support what it is you're saying.

QFT

TheGhostOfSin:
You do know that you could of just edited the first thread?

to be quite honest... I didn't.

You were wrong the first and second time lol.

Jk, I usually go for PCs I wouldn't buy a Mac.

Gxas:

the rusk:
Yes because all of what you are saying is untrue and you have no evidence to support what it is you're saying.

QFT

This is gonna sound dumb but could you tell me what the translation of QFT is?

Yes, you are wrong, because the products are streamlined and extremely well-designed, they have plenty of loyalty to their customers (my mac is lasting better than any other PC I've ever had, customer service and tech support are fantastic... I really don't know what you mean by this), the "product of the week" is the backbone of the IT industry, and if you seriously find the advertisements insulting you should probably get a life.

Macs can play games; it's just that most games are only developed for windows. And I have no clue where you're getting the idea that macs can't run "complex programs." How about Crossover? Crossover is a program that lets you run windows .exe files, from Notepad to Crysis, natively in OS X. How is that not a "complex program"?

Seriously, macs aren't perfect, and there's a bunch of shit wrong with them. None of what you identified is one of those problems.

the rusk:

Gxas:

the rusk:
Yes because all of what you are saying is untrue and you have no evidence to support what it is you're saying.

QFT

This is gonna sound dumb but could you tell me what the translation of QFT is?

Quote for Truth.

I think you are, but that's just my opinion. I have a newer iMac, and I couldn't be happier with it. It's true that gaming isn't one of its strong points, but that's what my console is for. I have never had a virus, BSOD, or crash. One thing that used to drive me nuts was how often I had to reload my OS with my PC. It took me a long time to get used to the iMac, but now that I'm used to it, I couldn't imagine switching back. Of course, people have strong opinions on this subject and as I said in the first sentence of my post: It's just my opinion.

It's never the best option to hate something. I don't use a mac and I really don't care for their commercials but I have no problem with them or the people who use them.

You have a right to hate Macs, I personally don't like them at all (I prefer two mouse buttons and a 2-D wheel).

Macs are by no means bad. However, remmeber that hate is a strong word that often requires backing up.

I think they're a solid machine and well made. No complaints on their performance at all.

I just have a problem with the elitist attitude of some Mac owners.

If you really hate something that's inanimate, then you need to do a little soul-searching.

Hate? Not so much. Strong dislike for what they represent would be a better perspective IMHO.

I think of this as really disliking those registers at McDonalds with pictures instead of numbers. Or as putting pictures on everything instead of teaching people to read. The dumbing down of things is really depressing.

Not to mention that all of those mac adds are either lies, gross exaggerations, or extreme simplifications.

For example, 99.999999% of BSODs happen because of hardware problems or crappy drivers - not the fault of Windows. Just because your machine which happens to be running Windows is unstable doesn't mean that it is the fault of MS. Around 20-40 thousand machines are used to test the OS for months (and some parts for years) before it is released to the public. Can Apple say the same?

Milkatron:
You have a right to hate Macs, I personally don't like them at all (I prefer two mouse buttons and a 2-D wheel).

Macs have had two mouse buttons for almost eight years now how are people still saying this

Lets get things cleared up from the start.

I dont hate mac's but I do hate mac fanboys and those adds (false advertising)

I hate it when you find someone who uses a mac, they'll agrue that thier system is better than yours, until they're blue in the face. At that point I usaly respond with "Right click Futhermucker!" and they stuble off defeated.

But as it stands one is not better than the other, they're differant.

Pc is for the average person all the way to the hacker and gamers.
While mac's are for the people who dont realy care that they are overpaying, they just want to think they're better than you.

PS. For those mac adverts that say, Mac's are more secure. There was a hacking competion help in vancouver (dont quote me I could be wrong) where they tested differant operating systems to see which was the most secure, your beloved mac came last, and was the first to be cracked, bye bye credit card info. Linux was the most secure, proberly went without saying though.

To copy and paste:
That's a matter of great debate. Is it wrong to hate an inanimate object that cannot willfully do you any wrong? Should one be able to hate anything they so please? I think hate just brings negativity into the world, so I guess I'll say it is wrong. But then I would want the freedom to hate when the feeling comes up... Hm, very puzzling indeed. I think I'll have to lay down conditions. You can hate Macs for a very brief amount of time, but once you're given the opportunity to think rationally I will no longer permit the needless hate.

Milkatron:
I prefer two mouse buttons and a 2-D wheel.

That's true. The first thing I did was toss that mac mouse and buy a traditional one. What's really cool is that the right click options for mac are similar to PC but with more options.

Yeah, you're wrong. I used to be all about Windows (Games, right?), but now I can't STAND that bloated piece of software Microsoft calls an operating system. My buddy has an older Power PC based Mac Book whose performance is way better then my newer (With better specs) laptop. Whats the deal?

Now, I use my 360 for games, for my general PC use I'm a Linux guy, and while I don't have a Mac right now, I'd really like to get one of the new Mac Books.

If games is your end all be all reason to have a PC, then you're stuck with Windows. Me? I'll opt for either a open source FREE OS, or one that costs half the price of Windows...both of which make far better use of system resources.

BUT, as a final note, I HATE the Mac commercials. HATE.

Mac can't handle complex programs? Where on earth did you get that idea? And sure macs can't play games, but i'd be rich if i had a dollar every time i heard that shallow argument. People who buy macs don't buy them to play games.

Though i'm not happy with third party software or even hardware for macs, as it's always underdeveloped, and more or less feels rather beta-ish (Yahoo Messenger has been beta for mac for over two years i think), the hardware has been pretty solid for me, but that's just me.

As I stated in another thread, both a PC and a Mac cost about the same (Mac a little bit more of course) You just happen to pay alot of it upfront with a Mac as supposed to separately with a PC, what with non included software, and the coming repair costs, that Apple tends to cover most of the time (or have for me).

Lastly, c=Ctrl+Click = Right click... buy a third party mouse and right click works the same.

I've scene those new Mac notebooks; I was afraid of breathing on it for fear of shattering it!

ALSO can you tell me why it has an external ROM? I thought the whole Idea of a laptop was that it's "all in one"?!

The Air? The Air is a joke, if you ask me...An idea that half failed, but they spent too much money developing to just let go

Does anyone remember the "tower" Mac?

All PC hardware (except mouse, KB and screen) and it's biggest selling point was that you could put windows on it and use it as a PC.

they even did a (short-lived) Mac vs PC ad where Mac says "and I'm a PC too"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwn-0Vu71qo

but it backfired! Mac users complained saying "I bought a Mac so I wouldn't have to use windows!"; Macs response was to put out a new "All in wonder" then quickly swept that ad under the rug hoping no one remembered it.

misterprickly:
Does anyone remember the "tower" Mac?

All PC hardware (except mouse, KB and screen) and it's biggest selling point was that you could put windows on it and use it as a PC.

they even did a (short-lived) Mac vs PC ad where Mac says "and I'm a PC too"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwn-0Vu71qo

but it backfired! Mac users complained saying "I bought a Mac so I wouldn't have to use windows!"; Macs response was to put out a new "All in wonder" then quickly swept that ad under the rug hoping no one remembered it.

With OS X Leopard, you can run a copy of windows via "Boot Camp" if you so wish...something i plan to do when i get a hold of a valid windows copy

misterprickly:
Over the years I've been developing a real hate-on for Macs and Mac products.

I mean... when you combine the Crappy products, their lack of loyalty for their customers, those increasingly insulting advertisements and the IPhone/pod of the week!

That and the fact that Steve Jobs (founder of apple) had to buy back the very company THAT HE STARTED because the share holders ganged up and fired him over his handling of the company.

And they still claim that Mac is better than PC?! even though they can't play games, or handle complex programs, etc, etc, etc.

So am I wrong to hate Macs?

No, your not wrong.

My iPod can reset itself for no reason twice in half an hour. And there is no solution to that.

The ads are ingratiatingly pretentious, especially for a company that shat out a bunch of computers that first you'd have to put a paperclip in to reset, and then they actually made it a button later, rather than fix the problems that caused it to lock up in the first place.

So no, no you're not wrong at all to hate on Apple and its products

Good morning blues:

Milkatron:
You have a right to hate Macs, I personally don't like them at all (I prefer two mouse buttons and a 2-D wheel).

Macs have had two mouse buttons for almost eight years now how are people still saying this

They don't. You have to buy the addition. Something about receiving it standard makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

The mice they ship are actually two button mice, the second mouse button is touch sensitive and isn't active by default. The real problem with those mice is that they are uncomfortable as hell.

As for the topic, hate is a strong word, but it is possible to be justified in disliking a company. I'm fairly forgiving when it comes to electronics, what with my xbox 360 not working directly out of the box. I stuck with the replacement and I haven't had a single problem in the past two years with it.

brabz:
I think they're a solid machine and well made. No complaints on their performance at all.

I just have a problem with the elitist attitude of some Mac owners.

My sister has that problem. She has 1 mac and patronizes me for not wanting one. Even though, all I want can be done on PC and most good games are not made for Macs.

The adverts are indeed a fucking joke. They have subliminal messages. Notice the guy who is a PC is always some kind of nerd while the mac is a cool,young guy.

Mac:so bad people dont even bother making viruses for it.

Good morning blues:
Yes, you are wrong, because the products are streamlined and extremely well-designed, they have plenty of loyalty to their customers (my mac is lasting better than any other PC I've ever had, customer service and tech support are fantastic... I really don't know what you mean by this), the "product of the week" is the backbone of the IT industry, and if you seriously find the advertisements insulting you should probably get a life.

how are they the backbone of the IT industry? they have less than 5% of the market share, linux has more than that. rim is still crushing the iphone in that dept. i don't know of any fortune 500 company, besides apple, that runs solely on the apple platform

so if you don't count they have no server penetration in the server market, no desktop presence, no corporate wireless penetration, then yeah they are the biggest player in the IT field there is

Macs can play games; it's just that most games are only developed for windows. And I have no clue where you're getting the idea that macs can't run "complex programs." How about Crossover? Crossover is a program that lets you run windows .exe files, from Notepad to Crysis, natively in OS X. How is that not a "complex program"?

yes mac has no games, there is not a gaming market for them, if Steve Jobs smartened up he could get games selling like crazy on the platform

as for crossover, aka wine, it does NOT allow you to run stuff natively. safari runs natively on the mac. crossover is an emulator that allows you to run windows programs