Cyclomega: Dingo> this hyperchivalry is very likely to get you stuck in a friend zone...
Exactly my point. You act like a little girl and you end up as one of their girlfriends. Theres a term "cuddle bitch" look it up. Then you get the oh soo fun "honour" of being there for the little using hobag to cry on whenever her bf (you know, the guy who actually treated her like he had testicles) slaps her around or cheats on her, then she will feel better becasue of you, decide hes not soo bad and go back to spreading her legs for him.
jockslap: call a girl u like a hot peice of ass, i can almost guarantee you will crash and burn.
I didn't mean you should *treat* someone as if they are nothing but a piece of meat, and I DEFINITELY would not do that or advise others to do that either. I simply meant that enjoying your sexuality for enjoyment's sake is neither wrong nor cheap. Romance is something that makes you feel good, not a commitment or a set of rules.
avykins: *checks pants, feels testicles" Nope, guess Im not a romantic.
See, this, in a nutshell, is what is wrong with modern dating.
I don't give a fuck about fucking. What I care about is being the everything for someone, and knowing that they can mean everything to me. I want to listen to her problems, and just hold her til she feels better. God I'm alone....
And you always will be alone with that mentality. You want to be everything to someone (stroking your own ego...) and them to you. So what will you do when she cheats on you or if shes honourable will just flat out dump you before immediatly banging someone else. Plus if you just listen to her problems then that becomes the habit and the women will not give a shit about you when your life gets hard.
Women dont play by the same rules as guys do. They have no concept of honour and they can get a new guy within hours so theres no reason to care.
That's right, fight misogyny with worse misogyny
Except he's right. Men and women play by different rules. unless of course they're like me, who recognize the different rule sets and light it with a blowtorch. It's all bull-.
I'm pretty sure that men with any sense of self-worth also move on to the next person when they find that the person they're with is a worthless sadsack who's only with them to pump up their own ego and avoid loneliness.
If men and women play by different rules, it's because of a social expectation that they will do so. Anybody with more than two brain cells to rub together can get over that.
Cyclomega: Dingo> this hyperchivalry is very likely to get you stuck in a friend zone...
Exactly my point. You act like a little girl and you end up as one of their girlfriends. Theres a term "cuddle bitch" look it up. Then you get the oh soo fun "honour" of being there for the little using hobag to cry on whenever her bf (you know, the guy who actually treated her like he had testicles) slaps her around or cheats on her, then she will feel better becasue of you, decide hes not soo bad and go back to spreading her legs for him.
Cyclomega: Dingo> this hyperchivalry is very likely to get you stuck in a friend zone...
Exactly my point. You act like a little girl and you end up as one of their girlfriends. Theres a term "cuddle bitch" look it up. Then you get the oh soo fun "honour" of being there for the little using hobag to cry on whenever her bf (you know, the guy who actually treated her like he had testicles) slaps her around or cheats on her, then she will feel better becasue of you, decide hes not soo bad and go back to spreading her legs for him.
Worse you can become the best male friend to who she'll compare every single of her boyfriends, but you'll never tap that, and while you're having all the qualities she's seemingly looking for, she'll always see you as asexual... Even if you're hung like George Zimmer...
Once I decide that I actually love someone, then yes, I become a huge romantic. Until then, it's all just good fun. Go out to the movies, have a picnic under the stars, accompanying the person when they go shopping, surprising them with breakfast on their way to work, stuff like that. The problem is that there's only been two girls that I've ever really fallen in love with, seeing as I hold love to ridiculously high standards. I've been with someone for three months and was actually dumped because she said it to me and I wouldn't say it back. I'm not going to say it unless I mean what I feel the word love means for that person.
Kind of a rant about the word love and my annoyances with society
Hm...much longer post than I intended. Put spoiler tags to try to shorten it and keep it on topic, but I took the time to write it before realizing its rant-like off topicness. Sorry about that.
And also to Indigo: Didn't see you as that kind of person. I like your views though. Don't worry about becoming a "cuddlebitch", it rarely happens, though it seems like it does. It's an availability bias, plain and simple.
Cyclomega: Dingo> this hyperchivalry is very likely to get you stuck in a friend zone...
Exactly my point. You act like a little girl and you end up as one of their girlfriends. Theres a term "cuddle bitch" look it up. Then you get the oh soo fun "honour" of being there for the little using hobag to cry on whenever her bf (you know, the guy who actually treated her like he had testicles) slaps her around or cheats on her, then she will feel better becasue of you, decide hes not soo bad and go back to spreading her legs for him.
Worse you can become the best male friend to who she'll compare every single of her boyfriends, but you'll never tap that, and while you're having all the qualities she's seemingly looking for, she'll always see you as asexual... Even if you're hung like George Zimmer...
Once again bash comes through. #414593 DragonflyBlade21: A woman has a close male friend. This means that he is probably interested in her, which is why he hangs around so much. She sees him strictly as a friend. This always starts out with, you're a great guy, but I don't like you in that way. This is roughly the equivalent for the guy of going to a job interview and the company saying, You have a great resume, you have all the qualifications we are looking for, but we're not going to hire you. We will, however, use your resume as the basis for comparison for all other applicants. But, we're going to hire somebody who is far less qualified and is probably an alcoholic. And if he doesn't work out, we'll hire somebody else, but still not you. In fact, we will never hire you. But we will call you from time to time to complain about the person that we hired.
avykins: *checks pants, feels testicles" Nope, guess Im not a romantic.
See, this, in a nutshell, is what is wrong with modern dating.
I don't give a fuck about fucking. What I care about is being the everything for someone, and knowing that they can mean everything to me. I want to listen to her problems, and just hold her til she feels better. God I'm alone....
And you always will be alone with that mentality. You want to be everything to someone (stroking your own ego...) and them to you. So what will you do when she cheats on you or if shes honourable will just flat out dump you before immediatly banging someone else. Plus if you just listen to her problems then that becomes the habit and the women will not give a shit about you when your life gets hard.
Women dont play by the same rules as guys do. They have no concept of honour and they can get a new guy within hours so theres no reason to care.
That's right, fight misogyny with worse misogyny
Except he's right. Men and women play by different rules. unless of course they're like me, who recognize the different rule sets and light it with a blowtorch. It's all bull-.
I'm pretty sure that men with any sense of self-worth also move on to the next person when they find that the person they're with is a worthless sadsack who's only with them to pump up their own ego and avoid loneliness.
If men and women play by different rules, it's because of a social expectation that they will do so. Anybody with more than two brain cells to rub together can get over that.
Yes they will, unless there is something else to have. "Fearing the devil they don't know, they kept the one on their backs" or something like that.
Unfrotunately, you're wrong about social expectations. Here's the way it breaks down. Women categorize all men they meet into roughly three categories. These are "dateable", "befriendable" and "worthless." Assuming that the worthless will never be talked too again, the focus is on dateable and befriendable. And it's what guys don't get. A man can be the most chivalrous, considerate man in the world and find a woman he likes only to be categorized and as a good friend. But men don't understand this. They don't play this little categorization game and most of the time don't even know it's being played. Those who are in the dateable category have a different set of hoops to play. Women want the best man there is, and will keep testing someone to see if they're "Good enough". This is where the ubiquitous "Does this make me look fat?" comes into play. The game is not so much about playing, so much as it is to see if the woman can manipulate and play the man they're interested in. If the man fails the test (which is either by a yes or no answer, in this case) then the woman is basically done with the man. Test failed, time to find someone else. If the man passes, they will test again. And again. And again.
Men don't get this thing about women, and the ones that do get it don't have trouble with dating. Or, again, they're like me. They see the game, the stuff women try to pull, and immediately walk away. I think I'm the only guy in the world to do that.
Cyclomega: Dingo> this hyperchivalry is very likely to get you stuck in a friend zone...
Exactly my point. You act like a little girl and you end up as one of their girlfriends. Theres a term "cuddle bitch" look it up. Then you get the oh soo fun "honour" of being there for the little using hobag to cry on whenever her bf (you know, the guy who actually treated her like he had testicles) slaps her around or cheats on her, then she will feel better becasue of you, decide hes not soo bad and go back to spreading her legs for him.
Worse you can become the best male friend to who she'll compare every single of her boyfriends, but you'll never tap that, and while you're having all the qualities she's seemingly looking for, she'll always see you as asexual... Even if you're hung like George Zimmer...
Once again bash comes through. #414593 DragonflyBlade21: A woman has a close male friend. This means that he is probably interested in her, which is why he hangs around so much. She sees him strictly as a friend. This always starts out with, you're a great guy, but I don't like you in that way. This is roughly the equivalent for the guy of going to a job interview and the company saying, You have a great resume, you have all the qualifications we are looking for, but we're not going to hire you. We will, however, use your resume as the basis for comparison for all other applicants. But, we're going to hire somebody who is far less qualified and is probably an alcoholic. And if he doesn't work out, we'll hire somebody else, but still not you. In fact, we will never hire you. But we will call you from time to time to complain about the person that we hired.
THANK YOU. I've never been able to find his stuff online.
ninjablu: Yes they will, unless there is something else to have. "Fearing the devil they don't know, they kept the one on their backs" or something like that.
Unfrotunately, you're wrong about social expectations. Here's the way it breaks down. Women categorize all men they meet into roughly three categories. These are "dateable", "befriendable" and "worthless." Assuming that the worthless will never be talked too again, the focus is on dateable and befriendable. And it's what guys don't get. A man can be the most chivalrous, considerate man in the world and find a woman he likes only to be categorized and as a good friend. But men don't understand this. They don't play this little categorization game and most of the time don't even know it's being played. Those who are in the dateable category have a different set of hoops to play. Women want the best man there is, and will keep testing someone to see if they're "Good enough". This is where the ubiquitous "Does this make me look fat?" comes into play. The game is not so much about playing, so much as it is to see if the woman can manipulate and play the man they're interested in. If the man fails the test (which is either by a yes or no answer, in this case) then the woman is basically done with the man. Test failed, time to find someone else. If the man passes, they will test again. And again. And again.
Men don't get this thing about women, and the ones that do get it don't have trouble with dating. Or, again, they're like me. They see the game, the stuff women try to pull, and immediately walk away. I think I'm the only guy in the world to do that.
No, that is something that psychopaths do. Yes, women separate men into categories; men do the same thing. Look at all of your female acquaintances; there are some you'd date if you had the opportunity, some you'd fuck, some you'd only do the friend thing with, and some you'd prefer never to talk to again. Furthermore, if a man realizes that a woman is playing games with him, he will do one of three things: if he's that sort of person, he'll start his own mind games and they'll be happy fucking with each other into eternity; if he has any notable level of self-esteem, he'll move on; or, if he's just looking for a relationship so he can feel better about himself, he'll let her shit all over him until she gets sick of it.
People are talking like men don't allow women to do shitty things to them.
Ninja, not all women do that. Not even the majority. Some do, and those are the ones that get around a lot, thus keeping the belief alive that the majority, if not all, women are like that. Guys play games too, we just don't see that because, well, we're the guys that don't. We don't see the games that happen with us as you say, how are we supposed to see the games happening to other people? Guy games are different. Guy games are more along the lines of trying to figure out whether or not this chick will sleep with the guy, and then whether or not he wants to keep her, or say "it was a one night thing, don't be mad we were both drunk". I know many guys personally that play these games. It hurts the girl that actually liked the guy and thought he liked her just as much as it hurts the guy that wants to be in the date zone but gets thrown into the friend zone repeatedly. The only difference is the girl gets to have sex before she's rejected, the guy doesn't, and then is expected to be a friend to the girl.
Ah the person I had been attempting to court let's say I had something nice and grand planned in order to reveal my affection, I never expected it to come to anything I just wanted to say it in a nice way. But after a month or two of delays I just rang her and sort of mumbled and stumbled it out. To be fair she hadn't long been out of a fairly long relationship and I don't care that nothing happened because of my actions I'm just glad I did it and so is she. I try to be elegant and grand if circumstances permit it but if I can't then I do my best.
Something may come of it and I very much hope so but if it doesn't then well I'm just glad I plucked up courage and got it out of the way. She's very nice and smart and all that lark but terribly confusing at times, then again so are people generally. I try my best which is a damn lot more than some other vagrants I know, all seems terribly unfair at times. Still we endeavour.
Edit: Oh yeah, it wasn't a rejection it was more of a put off for now, maybe, 'kinda?' One can always hope but I can remain humble if needed.
Cant really fix the last one... There ya go. Is it all okay for ya now buttercup ? You are right. We are not anon here. Each person has a distinct personality and I would rather be known for saying what I main plain and simply rather then be yet another twat more concerned with being "pc" than getting their message across.
Don't worry. Someone ran an online poll I found once. By thousands more, people seemed to agree that it was women who are killing Chivalry. Not so much for the door holding thing, but the ridiculous double standard. You want me to treat special AND be equal in all things economic? Doesn't work that way.
Some of us (me) enjoy being treated as special in incidental matters (such as the door-holding thing), but wish to be held to the same standards and receive the same rewards as men for achieving the same things in non-incidental matters. I also think that women properly treat *men* as being special by, say, smiling at them or whatever. It works both ways.
As far as I can tell, the standards/reward thing works fine, so I don't know what most women complain about. Sure, maybe you can't be a firefighter, but that's because you can't shoulder a 200 lb. body and run down a staircase, not because you're a woman. (I know women who CAN do this.)
santaandy: What isn't romantic about a hot piece of ass? Seriously, romance is the interaction between sexuality and love. Push it too far in one direction and you're bound to be unhappy.
It can be romantic . . . in bed. Start pillow-talk with a woman you barely know and she will rightly regard you as an ass. But most people will regard you as an ass if you start making personal statements or asking personal questions when they don't know you.
No, that is something that psychopaths do. Yes, women separate men into categories; men do the same thing. Look at all of your female acquaintances; there are some you'd date if you had the opportunity, some you'd fuck, some you'd only do the friend thing with, and some you'd prefer never to talk to again. Furthermore, if a man realizes that a woman is playing games with him, he will do one of three things: if he's that sort of person, he'll start his own mind games and they'll be happy fucking with each other into eternity; if he has any notable level of self-esteem, he'll move on; or, if he's just looking for a relationship so he can feel better about himself, he'll let her shit all over him until she gets sick of it.
People are talking like men don't allow women to do shitty things to them.
Nope, you're wrong. I would fuck or date none of my female acquaintances, excluding two. One of these is my ex, so I can't say I wouldn't fuck her because I have. The other one is one who has earned great respect with me and I am currently courting. I'll agree there are some I'd prefer to never talk too again, and this is mostly because they were a bitch when I was perfectly polite. I'm not polite all the time, not even close, but I know when I am and when I don't deserve harsh treatment. And here's the problem with those three options: this isn't mind fucking. It's testing. Any psychologist will agree with me as well as my old ethics teacher, who was a woman that believed in the righteousness of the human spirit. This is something most women do regardless of whether they are are aware of it or not. If I was living somewhere near you, I would offer to go to a bar or some other place people go to get picked up/pick up with you and prove it. This even happens to me at my work, because it's the place I'm most confident it's the place I get the most attention from female coworkers or customers. And the problem again is that men don't realize they are being tested, even if they have healthy levels of self-esteem. The whole "does this make me look fat?" is something that men just deal with, not something that makes them walk away instantly.
Unholykrumpet: Ninja, not all women do that. Not even the majority. Some do, and those are the ones that get around a lot, thus keeping the belief alive that the majority, if not all, women are like that. Guys play games too, we just don't see that because, well, we're the guys that don't. We don't see the games that happen with us as you say, how are we supposed to see the games happening to other people? Guy games are different. Guy games are more along the lines of trying to figure out whether or not this chick will sleep with the guy, and then whether or not he wants to keep her, or say "it was a one night thing, don't be mad we were both drunk". I know many guys personally that play these games. It hurts the girl that actually liked the guy and thought he liked her just as much as it hurts the guy that wants to be in the date zone but gets thrown into the friend zone repeatedly. The only difference is the girl gets to have sex before she's rejected, the guy doesn't, and then is expected to be a friend to the girl.
I agree. Men play this game too. But I disagree. MOST women play this game. the ones who are playing these games are the ones who know they are attractive and use it to their advantage. Men get hurt by the women doing it and women get hurt by the men doing it. I agree that it's all categorical bullshit. What I'm saying, however, is that most women who play the game don't even realize they are doing it, while most guys have to actually be trying to play the game to play it. This is why men tend to be less successful at the game then women. If a man OR a woman doesn't know a game is being played, they are likely to fail at it. And I think it's wrong for the game to be played at all. It's just my educated opinion women play it almost consistently, while men don't.
Some of us (me) enjoy being treated as special in incidental matters (such as the door-holding thing), but wish to be held to the same standards and receive the same rewards as men for achieving the same things in non-incidental matters. I also think that women properly treat *men* as being special by, say, smiling at them or whatever. It works both ways.
As far as I can tell, the standards/reward thing works fine, so I don't know what most women complain about. Sure, maybe you can't be a firefighter, but that's because you can't shoulder a 200 lb. body and run down a staircase, not because you're a woman. (I know women who CAN do this.)
So let me get this straight. You think that I should, on a usual basis, hold the door open for you and be sensitive to the fact that you are a woman when talking to you in the office, and that you think I should go out of my way to treat you better (like, say, not cussing with) than just a guy I share a cubicle with, but then when it comes promotion time you and I should be equal, although the only thing you've done to reciprocate me going out of my way is a smile here and there. Do you see the double standard yet?
And I am so confused by your second paragraph. When did personal economics become a job as a firefighter?
ninjablu: Nope, you're wrong. I would fuck or date none of my female acquaintances, excluding two. One of these is my ex, so I can't say I wouldn't fuck her because I have. The other one is one who has earned great respect with me and I am currently courting. I'll agree there are some I'd prefer to never talk too again, and this is mostly because they were a bitch when I was perfectly polite. I'm not polite all the time, not even close, but I know when I am and when I don't deserve harsh treatment. And here's the problem with those three options: this isn't mind fucking. It's testing. Any psychologist will agree with me as well as my old ethics teacher, who was a woman that believed in the righteousness of the human spirit. This is something most women do regardless of whether they are are aware of it or not. If I was living somewhere near you, I would offer to go to a bar or some other place people go to get picked up/pick up with you and prove it. This even happens to me at my work, because it's the place I'm most confident it's the place I get the most attention from female coworkers or customers. And the problem again is that men don't realize they are being tested, even if they have healthy levels of self-esteem. The whole "does this make me look fat?" is something that men just deal with, not something that makes them walk away instantly.
Well, I don't know what to say. Either you have had some bad experiences that have left you excessively bitter, or my life and my associates are the best the world has to offer.
ninjablu: Nope, you're wrong. I would fuck or date none of my female acquaintances, excluding two. One of these is my ex, so I can't say I wouldn't fuck her because I have. The other one is one who has earned great respect with me and I am currently courting. I'll agree there are some I'd prefer to never talk too again, and this is mostly because they were a bitch when I was perfectly polite. I'm not polite all the time, not even close, but I know when I am and when I don't deserve harsh treatment. And here's the problem with those three options: this isn't mind fucking. It's testing. Any psychologist will agree with me as well as my old ethics teacher, who was a woman that believed in the righteousness of the human spirit. This is something most women do regardless of whether they are are aware of it or not. If I was living somewhere near you, I would offer to go to a bar or some other place people go to get picked up/pick up with you and prove it. This even happens to me at my work, because it's the place I'm most confident it's the place I get the most attention from female coworkers or customers. And the problem again is that men don't realize they are being tested, even if they have healthy levels of self-esteem. The whole "does this make me look fat?" is something that men just deal with, not something that makes them walk away instantly.
Well, I don't know what to say. Either you have had some bad experiences that have left you excessively bitter, or my life and my associates are the best the world has to offer.
Possibly a mixture of both. I'm just fed up with manipulation and, because of the way I act, every woman whom I meet thinks I'm a toy or a friend, but never a date. Gets old.
Sorry for the amount of bile in that last post. Given the chance, I'd take out maybe 10% of it.
meatloaf231: I'm about as unromantic as it gets, unfortunately. I can't stand seeing people do foolish things over chemical and hormonal imbalances they call "love." I'd rather keep my wits about me than do something stupid for love.
Plus, love puts the power to hurt you greatly in someone else's hands. I'd rather not make myself that venerable.
hate to break it to u man, but if u don't shoot u can't score, simple as that.
You don't understand his point. He does not want to score. He would rather keep his own mind working on his own stuff instead of trying to sort out someones elses life and his.
Nickname: Solid Snake attitude, Someone who gets their job done and worrys about screwing later. Non video game nickname would be someone who does not think with their penis. :P
Peoples' obsession with sex disgusts me. I mean, it's great and all; but not worth the way people ignore their morals to get it. I've pretty much decided I will die without ever having a girlfriend. During the time I like someone, and my crushes usually last a few years, even if I know for sure it's pointless, will never go out with anyone else. The people I like aren't usually people I talk to on a regular basis, and I will not ask someone out who I do not really know, I lack the guts. Also, in order for me to like you, I need to at least be a bit attracted to you physically, and I will never, ever go out with an airhead or person I don't like much just for their body. Not much room left.
I am a romantic, but I am incredibly hopeless for three reasons:
1. I am unbelievably socially awkward. Here's a conversation I recently had that resembles most others: Girl: Hey. Me: Huh? Oh. Uh... hey. Girl: What's up? Me: Huh? Oh. Um. Er. Uh... I'm... okay... I guess. (walks away awkwardly)
2. I lack the ability to start a conversation. Just about every time I speak to someone without them speaking to me first, everything I say comes out as barely distinguishable mumbles.
3. I rarely notice when someone is trying to be nice to me and I usually respond coldly, sometimes without even realising it until after I've said it.
L1250: I am a romantic, but I am incredibly hopeless for three reasons:
1. I am unbelievably socially awkward. Here's a conversation I recently had that resembles most others: Girl: Hey. Me: Huh? Oh. Uh... hey. Girl: What's up? Me: Huh? Oh. Um. Er. Uh... I'm... okay... I guess. (walks away awkwardly)
2. I lack the ability to start a conversation. Just about every time I speak to someone without them speaking to me first, everything I say comes out as barely distinguishable mumbles.
3. I rarely notice when someone is trying to be nice to me and I usually respond coldly, sometimes without even realising it until after I've said it.
Sometimes, I really hate being me.
HAHAHA ur Julian! (Julian is my friend, the dude is like the murmer master, we where joking around and decided if he was being mugged it would go something like: "gimme all ur money!" "meh")
L1250: I am a romantic, but I am incredibly hopeless for three reasons:
1. I am unbelievably socially awkward. Here's a conversation I recently had that resembles most others: Girl: Hey. Me: Huh? Oh. Uh... hey. Girl: What's up? Me: Huh? Oh. Um. Er. Uh... I'm... okay... I guess. (walks away awkwardly)
2. I lack the ability to start a conversation. Just about every time I speak to someone without them speaking to me first, everything I say comes out as barely distinguishable mumbles.
3. I rarely notice when someone is trying to be nice to me and I usually respond coldly, sometimes without even realising it until after I've said it.
Sometimes, I really hate being me.
I would so take that instead of my incredibly deep voice. If I do not speak loud enough its really hard to distinguish what I say. Getting teased through all of middle school and I bet high school too. I sound like a grown ass man lol.
My conversation skills usually involved snide remarks which then leads to a conversation which I have no part in.
L1250: I am a romantic, but I am incredibly hopeless for three reasons:
1. I am unbelievably socially awkward. Here's a conversation I recently had that resembles most others: Girl: Hey. Me: Huh? Oh. Uh... hey. Girl: What's up? Me: Huh? Oh. Um. Er. Uh... I'm... okay... I guess. (walks away awkwardly)
2. I lack the ability to start a conversation. Just about every time I speak to someone without them speaking to me first, everything I say comes out as barely distinguishable mumbles.
3. I rarely notice when someone is trying to be nice to me and I usually respond coldly, sometimes without even realising it until after I've said it.
Sometimes, I really hate being me.
I would so take that instead of my incredibly deep voice. If I do not speak loud enough its really hard to distinguish what I say. Getting teased through all of middle school and I bet high school too. I sound like a grown ass man lol.
My conversation skills usually involved snide remarks which then leads to a conversation which I have no part in.
haha, they picked on you for having more balls? cuz im pretty sure that's what gives the deep voice. wish i had that "problem" as is im deep and nasal.
HAHAHA ur Julian! (Julian is my friend, the dude is like the murmer master, we where joking around and decided if he was being mugged it would go something like: "gimme all ur money!" "meh")
Coincidentally, I also have a friend by the same name like that. You're not me from an alternate universe/time, are you? I'll know if you are! I'm a terrible liar!
@"spreading her legs": No, you don't have to butter it up, but yes, it was incredibly foul. I take an offense to it because you made it sound like that's how all girls are, and that's a bunch of shite. There are some stupid, stupid girls out there who think that "The Hills" is really how life is, and they aren't worth even a little bit of your attention. If you honestly can't talk sense into this girl that you want but doesn't see you that way, than aren't you just as hung up on her as she is on whatever jerk she goes back to?
On a slighted related note, while you guys call it cuddle bitch, it's really emotional attachment. Psychobabble: women seek emotional relationships, using people as sounding boards and talking about personal issues primarily. Men tend to have more "action" relationships, centered on mutual activities (gaming, sports, w/e). When was the last time any of you had a heart-to-heart with a guy friend about things like these irl? It usually doesn't happen, and when you do start talk to a woman you like about emotional things, it's something important, novel, she's got to know I like her now! But for her it's just...normal. Unless you upfront present yourself as a suitor (for lack of a better term) you'll be filed into that friend category (which does exist, with a few subcategories haha).
Also, real studies prove that men are more likely to have an idealized opinion of love, and fall in love easier, and women weigh in other factors as more important (financial security, safety being near the top)
Ugh, "Romantics" make me want to kill myself. Especially "High School Romantics"-- bunch of starry-eyed douchebags... writing poetry and all that bullshit. I just want to scream at them, "You're going to dump that bitch by the end of Senior year!" GOD.
So, to answer your question... no, I'm not a romantic. "Love" to me is just friendship with sex added to the mix. Friendships seldom last forever. Sex is always awesome.
i'd like to say thanks to those people in this thread who have made me aware of my possibilities of going into coaching for these sorts of things.
for those of you with confidence issues, one way or another; let me just put it quickly: overcome your fear. you have a fear of talking with someone, then practice it until it goes away. i too started with introversion and mumbling. now i'm dealing with other problems, such as too many women. i actually wish this was exaggerated, but i've recently had the dubious pleasure of having a choice between two women. so, what happened? i sat down and addressed the issue, how my confidence was pretty much non-existant and how i could help this. the root of the problem? myself; or rather, the lack of myself in "me".
the one person that will always stick with you is yourself. you need more self appreciation to get more self esteem. you need to be able to not just back down and away, but deal with what you're presented with. do things for yourself and not for others. nobody cares what everyone else thinks. shrug off their judgment. they have forgotten about it within a few minutes time, and so should you.
define yourself as an individual, not as a nobody or an object. show yourself that you have enough balls to handle anything coming your way. when you've accomplished this, people will notice a difference; but more importantly: so will you when you speak with them.
You'll forgive me, but I find the entire gamut of ways that humans interact with each other backwards and alienating. You people are a weird and self-defeating hoard.
This is the Escapist though so I suppose I do have to provide evidence for my assertions.
I think I'm too odd to be considered an option in this poll...Sure, I'll get all gushy over romantic media like a love song or an old fairy tale, and there are people who I think are cute and have had crushes on, but I feel so awkward and out of place in a couple because however private it is, it's still a sort of social situation. And I suck at those. And because it's a social situation CROSSED with strong emotional feelings, I'm more likely to screw up and become all depressed.
So I sate myself by fangirling over couples in cartoons or staring at screenshots of arrtractive video game characters. >_> *shot*
Dingo> this hyperchivalry is very likely to get you stuck in a friend zone...