I don't know what you're talking about. Apparently chivalry is still alive where I live. I'm not joking. I do the whole chivalry thing without thinking about it and am held in very high esteem with my female colleagues.

superpandaman:
There is nothing wrong with believing in equal rights, but feminists don't.

Really? That's news to me and I've been a feminist for 20 years now.

They want to take everything men have that doesn't effect them and ruin it. Urinals have been banned on countless college campuses because it's sexists that men stand up to pee I'm not lying go google it it's more common than you'd think.

I did and found nothing. Please post a list of the colleges that have done this or at least a link where I can find this information myself.

Having manors means you're nicer to women if she doesn't want your kind gesture then slam the door in her face and call her a dirty name treat her like any man who pissed you off would.

I assume this is the holding-the-door argument. I want anyone at all who as ever, really, honestly had a woman get up in their face just because they held the door open, to tell me about it, because no feminist I have ever known, and I've known lots of them, has ever done this. And I mean, I want to know if this happened to you, not your friend or someone you heard about, because that's how every urban legend starts, right? "I had this friend who..." And this tale of the door-raging feminist is so common and yet so unsubstantiated as to approach the status of urban legend.

Yes, if a woman actually does get all up in your face and cuss you out for holding the door, then as a feminist I heartily encourage you to treat her just as you would a man, and cuss her right back. I assure you that as a feminist, if any woman does that to a man in my presence in the name of feminism, that man will probably never get a chance to say anything to her because I will start cussing her out myself before he gets his mouth open.

I could honestly give a shit about doors. Today, some guy yelled at me, "Hey, you in the red, what's your name?" and when I just kept on walking, he yelled at me and called me a bitch. That's not hypothetical, that's not an if-it-ever-happens, that's something that has happened to me TODAY, that has happened to me so many times I can't even begin to count them all. I don't want your urinals, that's ridiculous. I want to to be able to walk down the street without some hooting dickhole thinking that, because I'm female, I owe him my time and attention.

Yeah, I know. "You shouldn't stereotype all guys just because one guy yelled at you." First of all, I know that not all guys would do that. But a lot of guys have done that, to me and to every woman I know. A lot of guys do that all the time. And I wasn't dressed sexy, I wasn't looking for attention. I'm a 39-year-old woman in a winter coat for fuck's sake. So I'll make a bargain with you. I will stick up for every guy who ever encounters one of your hypothetical bitchy feminists just because he opened a door, if you stick up for every woman who gets leered at and and cussed out by some jackass just because she walked down the street minding her own business.

Some people are rude, some people are stupid, men, women, children are all capable of being arrogant/rude/annoying. You can't blame a particular gender/race because everyone is different, if that person is stupid then hurray for them hope it bites them in the ass later, but I can't ever blame a race/gender for anything in grouping.

if you don't stand up out of your seat on the bus when a woman boards you are a SOCIOPATH

mshcherbatskaya:

I assume this is the holding-the-door argument. I want anyone at all who as ever, really, honestly had a woman get up in their face just because they held the door open, to tell me about it, because no feminist I have ever known, and I've known lots of them, has ever done this. And I mean, I want to know if this happened to you, not your friend or someone you heard about, because that's how every urban legend starts, right? "I had this friend who..." And this tale of the door-raging feminist is so common and yet so unsubstantiated as to approach the status of urban legend.

http://www.illwillpress.com/door22.html

I believe the cartoon squirrel ruins your point.
I realize that I am posting someone else's work about it but it's that person raging about what happened to himself. I've never had it happen because the only situation in which I can actually ever hold the door for someone is at my job, and at my job I hardly go through any doors. I don't go out a lot to public places.

It might just be me, but aren't the ideas of chivalry a bit dated? I mean, I can be nice without having to look at some old rules. And stop generalizing feminists. Just a very small group has that anti-men attitude some of you seem to be blabbering about.

Really, stop whining about how someone gave you shit for holding a door open.

Wow, some gals are crazy! :^)

I've told people if they looked like they were in a hurry that they didn't need to hold the door for me, but I've never flat out yelled at somebody for going out of their way to help me. :^/

Some ladies just don't understand that there is a difference between chivalry and common courtesy!

Not sure where everyone here is from, but around here it's commonplace to hold to door for whoever is behind you! People are pretty polite here I guess if that kind of thing is an issue of chivalry. Sucks you had to get yelled at about something like that...pretty ridiculous if you ask me!

Chivalry is like a combination of politeness and manliness. Both of which I think the world would be better off without. What's so great about it that you mourn it's loss?

ninjablu:

mshcherbatskaya:

I assume this is the holding-the-door argument. I want anyone at all who as ever, really, honestly had a woman get up in their face just because they held the door open, to tell me about it, because no feminist I have ever known, and I've known lots of them, has ever done this. And I mean, I want to know if this happened to you, not your friend or someone you heard about, because that's how every urban legend starts, right? "I had this friend who..." And this tale of the door-raging feminist is so common and yet so unsubstantiated as to approach the status of urban legend.

http://www.illwillpress.com/door22.html

I believe the cartoon squirrel ruins your point.
I realize that I am posting someone else's work about it but it's that person raging about what happened to himself. I've never had it happen because the only situation in which I can actually ever hold the door for someone is at my job, and at my job I hardly go through any doors. I don't go out a lot to public places.

That's a cartoon squirrel raging over an experience he has clearly never had, because he is a cartoon squirrel. You are assuming that this is autobiographical on the author's part, but as a big fan of Foamy the Squirrel myself, he's been known to rant about all sorts of things about which I doubt the author has actual personal experience. That's why I asked people for their own actual experiences. If you would like to email the author and ask him if he's ever had a woman chew him out for holding the door open, I would be very interested in reading the answer.

intergral:
Wow, some gals are crazy! :^)

I've told people if they looked like they were in a hurry that they didn't need to hold the door for me, but I've never flat out yelled at somebody for going out of their way to help me. :^/

I have strong doubts as to whether any woman has. I ask again and again, and no one has ever held up a hand and said they personally witnessed or experienced it themselves.

mshcherbatskaya:
That's why I asked people for their own actual experiences.

Here's one data point for you:

I went to a college where pretty much everyone identified as a feminist(*) and quite a few people identified as queer.

I've seen self-declared feminists say a bunch of really stupid things -- unsurprising, given that college kids say ridiculously dumb stuff all the time (I guess it's an almost unavoidable part of the experience of figuring out a new idea). I have never seen anyone actually snap at anyone else for something related to doors or similar elements of "common courtesy" in general.

-- Alex
__________
* - Side note: I never bothered to call myself a feminist while on campus because people kept making stupid "Well if you're a feminist you must support me in thinking like this..." statements all the time.

I LOVE it when my boyfriend does those kindof things for me. It just shows that he cares. It no different to when I make him a sandwich if I'm in the kitchen or anything. I dont think it's restricted to genders exactly. Well not in my case. I hold the door open for my boyfriend, or anyone really. It's just being polite!

Feminists ruined America. True Story.

Easykill:
Chivalry is like a combination of politeness and manliness. Both of which I think the world would be better off without. What's so great about it that you mourn it's loss?

Wait, what? I can understand an objection to 'manliness,' even if I disagree. But why, oh why, pray tell, do you think the world would be a *BETTER* place minus people being nice to each other?

Eggo:
Being polite for the wrong reasons is far worse than being rude for the right reasons.

Yes, I'd say this pretty much sums it up, despite the breadth of the statement. Doing something for the right reasons is generally better than doing something for the wrong reasons.

However, you cannot state that everyone is being polite because they are misogynistic. It's just not true.

Oh misread that as 'chivalry is dead. and wymen/womyn are killed'

yeah maybe so. If you say do you want my seat on a bus, they will say 'I don't need to sit, tyvm' and then steal your seat anyway. Personal experience.

mshcherbatskaya:

intergral:
Wow, some gals are crazy! :^)

I've told people if they looked like they were in a hurry that they didn't need to hold the door for me, but I've never flat out yelled at somebody for going out of their way to help me. :^/

I have strong doubts as to whether any woman has. I ask again and again, and no one has ever held up a hand and said they personally witnessed or experienced it themselves.

It happened to me. Only I smacked her in the face wih the door when she did it and ran off.
But of course I only post this because you are so vehement in your belief that a femenist couldn't possibly do this to someone; let alone that you have already regulated your responses to the few members of this forum.

Eggo:
Oh, I wouldn't say that at all. I'm speaking more about the concepts and motives behind chivalry.

Which is the part I agree with. However, in the past you've come off throwing vast generalizations around, and I was just making sure I interpreted you correctly.

jesus people calm down your attacking the poor guy when hes trying to make a point, just defeat/defend his point and move on. i for one think that women in general don't act like that and most will say thank you, she was probably just batshit bonkers, and probably had a horrible day, and decided to take it out on the nearest nerd-dude, do what that guy a few months back in a thread did and punch her in the face (just kidding i will a don vito style fit if anybody calls me out on this, but a cookie to whoever remembers that hilarious story)

leugim789:
jesus people calm down your attacking the poor guy when hes trying to make a point, just defeat/defend his point and move on. i for one think that women in general don't act like that and most will say thank you, she was probably just batshit bonkers, and probably had a horrible day, and decided to take it out on the nearest nerd-dude, do what that guy a few months back in a thread did and punch her in the face (just kidding i will a don vito style fit if anybody calls me out on this, but a cookie to whoever remembers that hilarious story)

What? From what I've read this thread is focusing its rage on femenists. What thread are you reading?

Actually, all the wymen i know ( and there are a suprising amount where i live) seem to think that women should be paid more, have to work less, and be give greater political rights than men.
They always complain how they didn't get the promotion because the guy who worked twice efficiently as them was male. Most wymen are more sexist than they believe men to be.

Ye, Chivalry is dead, but not because of the wymen, Chivalry was based on the concept of special treatment and defense for those who couldn't defend themselves, like women, children, and priests (Medeval Catholic Europe). When women gained the same rights as men, chivalry slowly died off

hypothetical fact:

mshcherbatskaya:

intergral:
Wow, some gals are crazy! :^)

I've told people if they looked like they were in a hurry that they didn't need to hold the door for me, but I've never flat out yelled at somebody for going out of their way to help me. :^/

I have strong doubts as to whether any woman has. I ask again and again, and no one has ever held up a hand and said they personally witnessed or experienced it themselves.

It happened to me. Only I smacked her in the face wih the door when she did it and ran off.
But of course I only post this because you are so vehement in your belief that a femenist couldn't possibly do this to someone; let alone that you have already regulated your responses to the few members of this forum.

I very clearly said I had strong doubts that it had, not that it couldn't possibly happen. I'm curious as to what she said to you that warranted smacking her in the face. Again, notice that I am not calling your experience into question, I'm asking what she said when she chewed you out because I'm trying to figure out the psychology of the sort of woman who would do that. Also, I have no idea what you mean by 'regulating my responses.'

I agree with 4thegreatergood. Chivalry is not dead. My mom and dad taught me how to respect a woman and I do it with joy. Things like opening a door, pulling out a chair, offering my hand to help a woman up, standing when she comes to the table, taking off or tipping my hat...all of those things add a little spice to life and I enjoy them.

I'll do all these little 'chivalrous' things for anyone, regardless of gender. In the event that I do ever have someone attempt to chew me out for holding the door for them, they're going to discover that I'm the owner of a pair of very functional lungs and a bad attitude in a box. It hasn't happened yet though.

Mind you, one event comes to mind where I was told that everything in the world was my fault, solely because I'm a man. The woman was on a tirade anyways, and I happened to be nearby. I just told her that the world is fine, and its little issues were due to idiots like her, and then I resumed enjoying my existence.

I do sometimes question if gender equality has gone too far when I see an institution like a women-only gym though.

If chivalry (and its cousin, romance) is dead, the most likely explanation is that such behavior has been devalued by the intended recipients. Making sexual relationships, or casual sex, easy to get makes the posturing and bowing more trouble than it's worth. Why go out of one's way to be a gentleman if being a complete jackass seems to pay off just as frequently?

On the other hand it might be just as stupid to apply game theory to something as un-game-able as the interaction of the sexes.

Mythbhavd:
I agree with 4thegreatergood. Chivalry is not dead. My mom and dad taught me how to respect a woman and I do it with joy. Things like opening a door, pulling out a chair, offering my hand to help a woman up, standing when she comes to the table, taking off or tipping my hat...all of those things add a little spice to life and I enjoy them.

I'd say you're going a touch too far, but if archaic chivalry is your thing, then good for you. I'm always a little surprised when I'm on the receiving end of such chivalrous behaviour, but it's much like other little things that we rarely see these days, like smiling and nodding at people in the street.

What kind of hat do you wear?

Well, yes. Wymen have destroyed the boundaries for sexism so much, that it only exists for males now. Minorities are the majority.

Wow, I honestly didn't think this thread would keep going after it died 2 weeks ago. Minor necromancy ftw?

There is a simple solution to the whole wymen problem etc etc. I don't remember if i posted this in my last post in this thread so a'll repeat it.

"I don't discriminate between race, creed, sex or age. I hate everyone equally."

It works very well in general, duly noted it dos get modified from time to time to include my natural niceness (some unfortunate nasty bitches and asshole men tended to make me the monster some people perceive me to be).

In general I'm a pretty nice guy but honestly, if you expect people to A) be chivalrous or B) be grateful for said chivalry...then you are going to be disappointed more often than not.

Personally I don't see why some people (both men an women because it does happen to both) get so annoyed when people give them unwanted attention. Sorry to break it to you again coz no doubt someone has told you this already) but if you dress nice people WILL notice and WILL comment. Simple cause and effect logic. If you don't want to be noticed...don't dress to be noticed. If you want to dress nice, quit complaining about people noticing.

Unlike you some people actually have some trouble getting noticed by the opposite sex no matter how hard they try to look good so please stop hogging all the attention.

As a small note like many people i do hold the door for everyone, not for long, a second or so, because i know how much of a pain in the ass it is to get a door dropped in my face when I'm right behind someone.

But yeah, in short:

With actions come reactions. Please stop being surprised&annoyed by this.
If you want equality be prepared to be verbally harassed like men do to each other.
And finally, Don't discriminate, hate equally. After all, Everyone deserves to be hated the same way for the same actions.

Can this thread die?

Pretty.. Pretty please?

Bulletinmybrain:
Can this thread die?

Pretty.. Pretty please?

My thought exactly..

Although I believe in basic courtesy and being polite, if somebody does that, they deserve to be smacked, or yelled at.