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Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2125 Joined: 22 Oct 2008     | |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 550 Joined: 24 Dec 2007     | Chivalry is dead when I say it is, dammit. |
On the Record  Posts: 6216 Joined: 7 Feb 2008     | Cheese_Pavilion As I pointed out, that was a short history, and hence needs to be based on broad generalizations and overarching social trends, NOT exceptions to the rule. Also I'm aware of the Net Hunting data and some of the arguements inherent in the other source you posted. It's not something I've had excessive education in however, I specialized in religion, not feminism. However my roommate specializes in Augustus's family laws in Rome, which were the basis for the treatment of Women in the medieval era on a grand administrative scale and I'm sure she could give you some pretty bad examples of how poorly women were treated as a gender and how little "true" power they had. Also, if you need any examples of why feminism is good, look up Footbinding, that shit is horrible. |
On the Record  Posts: 5586 Joined: 3 Mar 2008    | The most sexist people I know just happen to be female. Anyway, in an age where both men and women are obtaining equal rights, I believe it should stay equal. Therefore, chivalry should die as a result, and women will truly be treated equally. And as for the door, I'd just hold it open anyway. If she does get annoyed at my actions, I'll just walk off and ignore her. Simple as that. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1323 Joined: 18 Jun 2008   |
So, what you're saying here, is that we need to move the feminists to China, where Footbinding actually happens, and not leave them where they are, you know, where that sort of thing is a crime. |
BANNED  Posts: 4378 Joined: 21 Aug 2008    |
This is a joke, right? User was banned for: Microsoft and the World Domination of Gaming&Communication. (Permanent) |
On the Record Posts: 6216 Joined: 7 Feb 2008 |
Footbinding is an example of how bad a male dominated society can get and why we can not allow society to revert. It's forced mutilation on account of a sexual perversion. And footbinding isn't practiced openly in China anymore, however plenty of female children are abandoned there as Males are considered more important as they are considered carriers of the family legacy. The same problem occurs in India. |
BANNED  Posts: 7326 Joined: 10 Apr 2007     |
Chivalry being a product of the later middle ages, though, isn't an exception to the rule. I don't even think the term existed for the first half of the period.
Eh, Frankish Salic Law played a big part too. But that's just like most classics people, treating the middle ages as a kind of waiting room before they can get back to Petrarch and Ciceronian Latin ;-D
I think I got the message about feminism being good at some point ;-D I wasn't actually arguing against feminism, just, like I said, correcting some factual errors. User was banned for: Guido Age: Origins - Return to Jersey Shore with Morrigan. (Permanent) |
On the Record Posts: 6216 Joined: 7 Feb 2008 | Sorry if that seemed antagonistic Cheeze, that Foot Binding bit wasn't directed at you in particular. And again yes you're right about the Medieval Era lawmaking, not my specialty unfortunately so there are gaps, I do religions and social trends that stem from them. |
BANNED Posts: 7326 Joined: 10 Apr 2007 |
No worries--I brought up the net hunting thing specifically because so much chauvinism is based on the flawed idea that the division of labor with men doing the 'active' and 'dangerous' things is natural. Although I never could figure out why gathering wasn't considered dangerous. When you go to hunt, you lay in wait in an ambush spot, aware of your surroundings. When you gather, you're out in the open looking down at the ground with all kinds of lions and tigers prowling around. User was banned for: Guido Age: Origins - Return to Jersey Shore with Morrigan. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4582 Joined: 22 Jun 2008    |
I don't think you understand... Sarah Palin had experience. She was mayor for 5 years and governor for 2. Thats 7 years of exuctive experience. Barrack was senator for 3 terms and could not make up his mind on quite a few bills.He had legal experience but zero presidential experience. I guess biden will fix his mistakes. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4582 Joined: 22 Jun 2008 |
Tell me where he got experience running a city? State? Well maybe he got some experience from community organizing but then thats saying that I got enough experience to be a successful general of an army because I play RTS games.. Eh, I guess I am just jaded and hate everything. |
BANNED Posts: 4378 Joined: 21 Aug 2008 | The exception does not make the trend. Although I would *love* to see any one of you being the editor of Harvard Law Review. User was banned for: Microsoft and the World Domination of Gaming&Communication. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4582 Joined: 22 Jun 2008 |
I would *love* it if America stopped screwing up, But then who would the world have to poke fun at? |
BANNED Posts: 4378 Joined: 21 Aug 2008 | I'm glad you decided to not actually address my point. Then again, it should be common knowledge by now that deriding Obama for his lack of experience is just a pisspoor argument for just about anything. User was banned for: Microsoft and the World Domination of Gaming&Communication. (Permanent) |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 393 Joined: 6 Nov 2008   |
That's my thought. I'm female, and I'll hold the door open for anyone. If someone holds open the door for me, I show him/her the same kindness they have just shown me and say, "Thank you". I'm not sure I get the whole heavy handed feminism or anti-feminism (sorry, am I spelling that right?). I might get offended if it was shoved at me in a way that says "poor, weak person who needs help because she's a girl". But I've never in my life encountered that, so I can't really say. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4582 Joined: 22 Jun 2008 |
Again what experience? Being a lawyer? Last time I checked the president did not make laws nor did he examine them. |
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Last time I checked the president does not shot down by rice paddy workers either. Experience is not what defines a great president in America. Because it is a position which is largely toothless in actual power, what matters most is personality, intelligence, and how the world perceives the president. And on all those counts, he's light years ahead of McCain. User was banned for: Microsoft and the World Domination of Gaming&Communication. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4582 Joined: 22 Jun 2008 |
Eh, On those counts barack wins yes. But with presidents bushes embarrassing us on a global scale the only place barack will be able to go is up. |
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I don't think you understand that an editor is an executive office. About 235 of the 434 members of the 108th Congress had law degrees, more than the number with master's, medical, and doctoral degrees combined. I'd say executive experience in dealing with a body of lawyers pushing their own interests and ideologies is excellent executive experience for being President. User was banned for: Guido Age: Origins - Return to Jersey Shore with Morrigan. (Permanent) |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 470 Joined: 10 Jun 2008    | Your post reminds me of a news story some years back where a womyn was suing some restaurant or something akin to that because the bathroom doors were marked either 'men' or 'women', and she seriously wanted to have the owner change it to 'womyn'. I think I read that story, and that had to read it again to make sure I was reading it and undertsanding it correctly. Why and how she chose this one place as opposed to the millions of others I'll never understand. Then once, when I was in college, I belonged to a fraternity. One of our 'rush' shirts had a montage of numerous iconic characters on it back in the day. In addition to Bug Bunny, Terminator, Wolverine, Magic Johnson and a host of others, there was the 'Swedish Biking Team' on there. Before I knew it, the Womyn's organization on campus (yes...there was one) had reported us to the dean on our stance on violence towards women. I think we were all stunned as we co-mingle with the sororities, did fund raising events for community groups, and even held seminars on rape avoidance an what not. The dean explained to us that we needed to change our shirts as the Womyn found our shirt offensive as there was the Terminator holding a gun and the Swedish Bikini Team...of course insinuating that we wanted to promote gunplay towards women. I knew I wasn't in Kansas anymore at that point, and the rules of the world changed for me that day. 'Womyn', set back 'women' more than they can possibly grasp. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4582 Joined: 22 Jun 2008 |
So running a state with a population over a million is not on par with 434 other people? Not to mention he did not lead, He more was grouped together and it was teamwork. |
BANNED Posts: 4378 Joined: 21 Aug 2008 | Except editors lead :\ User was banned for: Microsoft and the World Domination of Gaming&Communication. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3145 Joined: 22 Jun 2008    | Rails------------------------------------------------The thread. Anyway, The militant feminists are few and far between in RL, it mostly seems to me to be the rest of the population throwing the occasional sheep into their cave that causes the most issues. That and the fact the minority seems always to be MUCH louder than the rest. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 555 Joined: 22 Aug 2008   | The foresight to look out for random people around you is a long forgotten skill. If I am going into 7-11 or what not and someone is approaching the door I will hold the door for them to let them get the door and such. I do this for anyone and sometimes I will even hold it for someone a little ways off if I am not too much in a hurry and they look like they would appreciate the effort. But you are right, people that view your act of kindness as purely a pickup line of sorts is astonishing to say the least. What I would have said is, "Obviously you appear capable of opening the door by yourself, however, I arrived her just before you did, so since you were behind me I kept the door open for you, instead of letting it slam shut on you. If I had of known you would have preferred that I let the door slam shut on you, I sure would have let you show your prowess and abilities by spectacularly opening the door all by yourself. I didn't realize that the act of a woman boldly opening her own door was such a sign of her accomplishments." And I mean if you like held the door open for her and was like "hey toots" .. then obviously she might have a response like what you posted before. But it sounds like that is the case. But instead of being apprehensive towards the whole issue, harbor a level of humor at the scope of the situation. I would blow it off, and keep opening the door for people. Not everyone is like her, I hope. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4582 Joined: 22 Jun 2008 | How about we stop derailing this thread? No you may not comment on me anymore. I refuse to add argument fuel...For now. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2860 Joined: 30 Sep 2008   |
You guys realize that this has nothing to do with the thread at hand? Start some other thread if you want to argue about Barack Obama's qualifications. |
BANNED Posts: 7326 Joined: 10 Apr 2007 |
Not in the least. "Alaska has a merit selection system for judges and justices. The governor appoints a supreme court justice or a judge of the court of appeals, superior court, or district court from a list of qualified candidates submitted by the Alaska Judicial Council. The governor has 45 days from receipt of the list to make the appointment." as opposed to: "The Constitution merely indicates that "the judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court" as well as in any lower federal courts that Congress may establish (Article III, Section 1) and that the president "by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint...Judges of the supreme Court" (Article II, Section 2). Congress has applied the same selection procedure to the appeals and the trial courts. " The Governor of Alaska doesn't face nearly the same issues in appointing judges--the Alaska Judicial Council hands her the list she can pick from. Contrast this with the debacles that were Bork and Miers.
Right...assistant editors just naturally work together smoothly because they're on a 'team'... User was banned for: Guido Age: Origins - Return to Jersey Shore with Morrigan. (Permanent) |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 566 Joined: 20 May 2008   |
seconded, please stay on topic |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 566 Joined: 20 May 2008 |
yo, i don't know if u noticed but the qualifications of barack obama have ALMOST NOTHING to do with feminism being taken too far and the impacts of such. MAKE ANOTHER THREAD FOR THIS ARGUMENT! |
BANNED Posts: 7326 Joined: 10 Apr 2007 |
Too bad it wasn't a few years later--the Womyn might have found the idea of promoting gunplay towards women to be a form of sexual empowerment. User was banned for: Guido Age: Origins - Return to Jersey Shore with Morrigan. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4582 Joined: 22 Jun 2008 |
You are so late to the party its almost funny. |
Paperboy Posts: 16 Joined: 14 Mar 2008 | I can identify with the OP. One of my ex-girlfriend's best friends had the same thing. Holding the door for someone is courteous. Though certainly not something major, it is a form of self-sacrifice, doing something for someone else. Part of the equality movement for women included being self-sufficient, which is seen to be a characteristically male trait, but it has detracted from a sense of community (which we've lost for the most part). As far as I'm concerned, kill 'em with kindness. Keep doing it, keep pissing them off, keeping repeating "I'm not doing because I think you can't, but because I can and want to." If that line of logic doesn't get through, you're a smarter and better person because of it. Though I try to be chivalric, I can just tell people that I got used to grabbing the door after hosting for a restaurant for a year and a half. |
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I don't know if you noticed, but there's already a thread called Feminism you could have put this in, if you'd used the search function. Then I wouldn't have to repeat myself in two threads: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/18.70439.691681 User was banned for: Guido Age: Origins - Return to Jersey Shore with Morrigan. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2860 Joined: 30 Sep 2008 |
How am I late to the party? get over yourself, Your conversation has nothing to do with the current topic so fuck off and start a different thread, or find an old one I don't care |
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Equality killed chivalry. That's a saying of mine.