Western martial arts |
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17.7% (37) |
Eastern martial arts |
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34% (71) |
Kicking between the legs and running off |
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48.3% (101) |
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Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1166 Joined: 23 Jul 2008     | |
Beat Writer  Posts: 148 Joined: 5 Nov 2008    | Does CQC count as Western...or even as martial arts?? |
On the Record  Posts: 6994 Joined: 22 Aug 2008     | A gun, assuming you've got a quick trigger finger and aren't looking in the other direction. Truthfully? Neither. Your best bet is probably a mixture of the two, or not fighting at all. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2904 Joined: 12 May 2008    |
CQC as portrayed in the Metal Gear Solid series is actually a more offensive version of Defendo from Japan. So Eastern. |
Beat Writer Posts: 148 Joined: 5 Nov 2008 |
Yea but it was really adopted by the us army (i forget which branch but one of them uses a derivitive of it in some way or another) so i guess it could be either one |
Muckraker  Posts: 346 Joined: 7 Apr 2008    | Talking purely about self defence, your goal is to walk away as uninjured and safe as possible. Taking someone down, or at least stopping them long enough to become somewhere else. Imma go with Krav Maga. Which I wanna learn cos its so damn cool. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3310 Joined: 10 Oct 2008    | Almost all effective versions of Western Martial Arts are based off of Eastern martial arts. I recently watched a video of a champion level normal Japanese Boxer fight a champion level Muay Thai kick boxer. Guess who got their ass handed to them?
Which is also largely based off of Eastern martial Arts. And yes, it is very damn effective. It is made for subduing and killing people very quickly. It is also unfortunately very hard to find a good place to learn it. |
Beat Writer Posts: 148 Joined: 5 Nov 2008 |
*cough* Gun-kata *cough* |
Muckraker Posts: 346 Joined: 7 Apr 2008 |
Grammaton Cleric for the extreme win wooo. Can you tell I love equilibrium. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 741 Joined: 4 Nov 2008   | I would recommend the noble ancient art of running like mad from any situation that would require self defence. |
Beat Writer Posts: 148 Joined: 5 Nov 2008 |
Why of course |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4126 Joined: 23 Apr 2008     |
Failing a gun, a knife. |
Beat Writer Posts: 148 Joined: 5 Nov 2008 | |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3617 Joined: 7 Aug 2008 | There's Western martial arts?!? Call me Naive but I though all martial arts were Eastern... |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4601 Joined: 25 Feb 2008   |
No, there are plenty of western Martial arts. Mostly they fell by the wayside when us enterprising europeans discovered guns. The (current) traditional English martial art is Bartitsu. Although it only dates back to 1898 and has largely been superceded by the Glaswegian kiss. The Swiss have Schwingen |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 683 Joined: 29 Apr 2008  | The difference between western and eastern martial arts is documentation. Training in melee combat is a universal need when combat most often takes place at melee distances. However with the invention of fire arms melee combat training is easily forgotten by any society even ones with a proud martial tradition. In the West the Literate people (monks and merchants) were a different class from the people who maintained martial traditions. Thus the actual training and techniques that we assume to have existed back in the day have been forgotten. The East, especially Japan, has not had this issue since the Samurai class were keepers of both literacy and martial tradition. Thus we see more eastern martial arts not because the easterners were particularly better but because they kept unarmed combat traditions as part of their cultural heritage. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 446 Joined: 20 Aug 2008     | the gun martial art is called gun fu- they hold their gun SIDEWAYS (yup gangsters copied) |
News Room Contributor  Posts: 3897 Joined: 21 Feb 2008     | If you're looking for something for solely self-defence then it's actually very simple. Learn how to kick someone in the balls and then run away Martial arts, as pretty as they are, often complicate the actual defence of self. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 587 Joined: 5 Jun 2008  | Well i think the french have the best form of self defense, running away like cowards :P Although being serious (and less insulting to the french) i'd say that eastern martial arts are alot more disciplined focused which is absolutely required for self defense so if you start winning the fight you have the discipline to peg it and not get shot by the gun in the other guys pocket. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2487 Joined: 29 Nov 2007    | Huh...I'd probably opt for Krav Maga if I had to pick. Israeli death commandos scare the piss out of me. |
Muckraker  Posts: 226 Joined: 18 Aug 2008 |
The original creater of Krav Maga was a Slovakian Jew, and he developed it while defending himself against Nazis and anti-Semites in street fights in the '30s. I'm not seeing much of a connection to eastern martial arts at all. |
News Room Contributor Posts: 3897 Joined: 21 Feb 2008 |
The idea that all martial arts are from the East is a complete misconception. Fencing is a martial art in the same way that Judo is, as is boxing. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3383 Joined: 29 Jul 2008  | What do you count krav maga as? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2904 Joined: 12 May 2008 |
Not even the fact that Slovakia is eastern? |
BANNED  Posts: 3780 Joined: 9 Sep 2008  | A gun > a knife > Krav Maga > box Everything else is pretty useless. <facepalm> Slovakia is not an eastern country. Its east-central eauropean country but its not eastern like China. User was banned for: We are all related? a odd little theory. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1428 Joined: 18 Sep 2008  | crossbow cause those fuckers hurt like hell. get shot anywhere with one of those and you won't be fighting |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1180 Joined: 21 Oct 2008  | I'd say Eastern purely because its the only ones that survived to this age, as someone else said European martial arts did exist but became forgotten due to the prevalence of guns. But even then from a practical point of view the majority of modern Eastern martial arts exist in competitive sport form rather than the original form. Anyway I think the only difference between martial arts is the fluff they use, they all use the fundamentals. Pressure points, strike points, throwing, locking are essentially the same because humans physiology is the same the only difference is how much theatricals they add to it. |
On the Record  Posts: 5949 Joined: 7 Mar 2008     |
most comes from greece, the story goes like this Alexander and his men liked to do pancration, they travelled to India, the Indians liked the idea of pancration, they adapted it into kalaripayattu, Bodhidharma took this art to China and taught the monks of Shaolin and they turned it into kung fu everything else came from there |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2770 Joined: 13 Feb 2008  | Well, as far as unarmed stuff goes, there's this one Russian style that's crazy effective at disarming and the like. It's name escapes me. Generally though, western stuff is the best self-defense you can do without being a super-expert in eastern martial arts. Most eastern martial arts don't teach much second intention until late in training, and most western stuff teaches it straight off. Trickiness usually wins the fight. Edit:
Hooray, it's finally acknowledged! |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1600 Joined: 1 Nov 2008  | It depends on what you're used to doing really. I always thought there were loads more Eastern styles over Western styles, so surely that means there's more choice for Eastern. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1225 Joined: 13 Dec 2007   |
I've taken a 2-week period of Jujutsu as part of my high school gym class, and during the practicing of techniques, a great deal of importance was placed on not getting kicked in the balls. A kickboxing stance has the body turned slightly so that one foot is in front of you, and one foot is behind. This stance makes it difficult for someone to kick you in the balls. I don't know what kind of stances other martial arts use, but they most likely have some stance/technique for defending against such an obvious weak point. So if some chav on the street has a cursory knowledge of martial arts/a cup, exploiting the weakness of Freddy and the twins might not be that easy. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 544 Joined: 10 Jul 2008 | Krav Maga. If you are within 15 feet of an unarmed Israeli soldier, you're fucked. |
News Room Contributor Posts: 3897 Joined: 21 Feb 2008 |
Unless the concept of fighting originated in the Far East, you're utterly wrong there. Any systematic form of combat, be it Wing Chun or Jousting, can be considered a martial art. EDIT: I may have added a new option to your poll. EDIT 2:
You raise a good point, but if we're going to start playing the what if game, any form of defence can be broken down. Besides, if kicking in the balls doesn't work, jam your heel into the top of his foot, hard. The small bones are very easy to break and it will make running away all the more easy. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 469 Joined: 18 Oct 2008 | I have been looking at Krav Maga on Wikipedia, and I find myself asking, "what's the big deal?" It really doesn't seem that different from other martial arts. Am I looking in the wrong place? |
Muckraker  Posts: 344 Joined: 8 Feb 2008   | Eastern Martial arts that have been modified, or further still made into sports, are probably the best, the are designed to be easy to pick up the basics but hard to master. This allows the user to have an advantage in a street fight against a lay-opponent even if they haven't spent decades learning the intricate technicalities of wha every joint and muscle should be doing. |
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I was just wondering, which type of martial arts is better(or which you prefer).
The poll has broad east/west, but if you have one in specific go ahead.
This is not like Rosst(I can't remember the rest of his name)'s thread. He wanted to know which was best for him. I want your opinion on the whole subject of how one type is better over another.