Fondant:
@ Milford Cubicle- Meh. You insulted the Queen. Epic fail.

And you failed to note that anyone who tried to invade GB would find their own nation to be, in my own words: "Clicking hot and shrouded in this mysterious green glow". And then the SAS would kill them.

And if people hate us- So what? We're a rich, powerful nation that relies on brains to run it's economy, and brains to run it's military. No-ones going to fuck with us, because we'll send David Striling's band of merry psychotics around to kill them. And then send MI6 to blow up their houses. And then send the army in to occupy their country, change their government and leave them better off for it.

How old are you? You sound like a child bragging about "my dad's bigger than your dad!".

Go and play with your action man and leave the grown-ups alone to talk.

Go on child, shoo!

I thought the Manifest destiny was the "God-given" idea that Canada should be everything north of the 70th Circle of Latidtude, and USA everything south to the equator, on this continent.

Anarchemitis:
I thought the Manifest destiny was the "God-given" idea that Canada should be everything north of the 70th Circle of Latidtude, and USA everything south to the equator, on this continent.

Manifest Destiny as far as I know was made up by president James K. Polk to justify the westward expansion of the US. It basically gave free reign to push the natives off of their lands.

Milford Cubicle:
No country has the right to force anything on any other country. I don't see why people have such a hard-on for democracy. Some of the people I've met don't have the mental capacity to decide who runs the country.

The problem with democracy, is every idiot gets a vote!

That's not a problem. By definition, the elected government represents all people of the country, and thus the supid and the non-stupid.
That's why stupid people must vote as well.

sheic99:

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Manifest Destiny did not start until c. 1840. All Americans from the American Revolution would have died.

Not sure when the term started, but the idea behind had existed since the Catholic Church had started their spread.

You have to be more specific on the Catholic spread. Are you talking about the intial spread in Rome or the Crusades?

By the way, the spreading of ideals through force is not a christian idea. Every major culture in history has believed in spreading their influence on undeveloped nations.

As pertaining to Manifest Destiny, that is a specific time in American History. England has little to nothing to do with it. And for the record Manifest Destiny also included Mexico. But what I believe you think you are talking about is something called Imperialism which the US did practice for a great number of years, as with France and England. After rereading one of your comments, you seem to forget about serfs and indentured servants and Africans were used as slaves mainly because if they ran it was easy to find them, and when waring tribes would capture prisoners, the prisoners were sold to slavers. It was easier for Indians and British(later Americans) to hide after running from their masters. Asians were not used because the British traded with them.

For the catholic spread, I'm talking more about the Crusades period.

Yes, I do realize that every major culture or group believed on imposing their own unique way of life on everyone else. I always have. It's just the most successful ones, of recent history, were the Catholics.

Ok, so Manifest Destiny is term that directly relates to the westward expansion of the European Americans... which involved a lot of brutal and bigoted acts. However the idea that God made white Catholics the best people in the world, and there for they are entitled to the world, that started in Europe... probably some time around the start of the crusades.

Which came from the "Romans are the best, thus we conquer the world." It is also more proper to call them Christians instead of Catholics from the time period that this occurred in.

Nitpicking aside, it was not about being the best people in the world. You seem to confuse the Crusades with Hitler. The Crusades was about Christianity was the only proper religion. And that all should convert by force if necessary with a bit of other political stuff.

Yes, the convert by force also lead to "If we can't convert them, kill them." Which is kind of Hitler-esque. It's not based on an Aryan race like the Nazis, but rather a religion which is the best.

Milford Cubicle:

.....I don't own a boat.

you dont!?

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Milford Cubicle:

.....I don't own a boat.

you dont!?

No. No I don't.

Anarchemitis:
I thought the Manifest destiny was the "God-given" idea that Canada should be everything north of the 70th Circle of Latidtude, and USA everything south to the equator, on this continent.

I don't think we were ever part of the MD thing we just sorta hang out and tell America to Fuck of if they get too close at least thats what i do