Well ive seen some threads about the Twilight books here, and how the butcher the old vampire fiction, since de Anne Rice ones, some people have mentioned Hellsing, including me, between other vampire fiction, and well... i simply wanted to start some discussion about it.

What do you think about the Anne Rice esque vampires, which series of these days seem to keep the old miyths, etc.

Well every vampire movie I have seen to date has kept to the vampire demographic: immortal, blood suckers, burn in sunlight etc. Only things that were inconsistent were the stakes through the heart and crucifix stuff.
all these movies (Blade, Underworld, Interview with a Vampire, Van Helsing...) kept to this. And now Twilight goes and changes it, which agitates me.

I haven't seen a whole lot of vampire movies, nor do I know much about Anne Rice's vampires.

But, I can tell you that 30 Days of Night was absolutely AWESOME

can you sum up the difference? sorry but I don't know anne rice's vampires, can't be ar*ed to google.

no more vampires, there frickin everywhere I look

Vampires are fictitious creatures, there doesn't need to be any standard vampire, from which any deviation is denounced as not really a vampire. in fact i think you'll find very few modern stories about them which stick to the whole mythos surrounding them. To be honest my own favourite interpretation of them is to be found in Terry Pratchett's Discworld series. Personal opinion though.

Twilight...are these the emo vampire stories that have spawned a subculture of fagvamps South Park takes the piss out of in its latest episode?

go watch the new southpark episode "the ungroundable" its about vampires.

Anyobody ever read Bram Sotker's Dracula? His ideas and version of vampires are completely different from the ones portrayed in most of the more modern stylised vampire books, and yet Drac. is seen as being the archetypal vampire. He was in fact seen as being a reptilian creature (bats etc never get a real mention to the best of my knowledge), who had the capacity for extreme violence. He also struggled to disguise his desires for blood. Going back, before even that to the origins of western vampire myths and most of the time the only "restrictions/ drawbacks" on them, was that they struggled to enter holy buildings, couldn't enter buildings without permission (something now often edited) and, in light they were simply reduced to not being as tough or powerful and having at best sensitive light skin. (btw I'm not some kind of vampire nut, I had to do a project on them in school for english once).

I like the old style of vampires not the moody teenage angst emo ones, I always liked the vampires in the Discworld novels who are possibly the nearest depiction of what real life vampires would be like if they existed

"they believe in vampire watermelons, although folklore is silent about what they believe about vampire watermelons. Possibly they suck back."

My favorite breed of vampires would have the be the ones featured in Vampire: The Masquerade and ones like that in other works of fiction.

The brooding socialites working behind the scenes of history, stabbing each other in the back as they go.
I think the Underworld movie(s) kinda stuck to that as well. Although the rest of the movie was kinda crappy .

Vampires, as in the Anne Rice (suave)/Hellsing (homicidal) type, are cool. However Twilight is more of a teen romance film than an actual Vampire film. The actual mythology behind vampires is so broad and diverse that its nearly impossible to create a true depiction of vampires.

lukemdizzle:
no more vampires, there frickin everywhere I look

sorry pal but is the popular thing these days, like halo and after that, hating halo.

TheNecroswanson:
Werewolves are better! *Runs away giggling*

fuckin' ai

Beckett is the epitome of vamps (from White Wolf Vampire lore). What a legend.

if we're talking White Wolf, I have to go with Gangrel. not for any reason, he was just one of my favorite wrestlers when I was a kid

jim_doki:
if we're talking White Wolf, I have to go with Gangrel. not for any reason, he was just one of my favorite wrestlers when I was a kid

*twitch* Saying that is like asking a roleplayer if D&D is anything like the cartoon.

Anyway, Malkavians are better. :)

The_root_of_all_evil:

jim_doki:
if we're talking White Wolf, I have to go with Gangrel. not for any reason, he was just one of my favorite wrestlers when I was a kid

*twitch* Saying that is like asking a roleplayer if D&D is anything like the cartoon.

Anyway, Malkavians are better. :)

I was always a Lasombra man myself, although I can totally see the appeal of those damn crazy Malks. Makes for interesting RP.

The_root_of_all_evil:

Anyway, Malkavians are better. :)

the enemy of my enemy is my friend!

Let's draw our swords in unity and charge forward! Our immortal nemesis, it who never stops, needs to be slain!

aBlackKnight:

The_root_of_all_evil:

Anyway, Malkavians are better. :)

the enemy of my enemy is my friend!

Let's draw our swords in unity and charge forward! Our immortal nemesis, it who never stops, needs to be slain!

First, I need to feed Mr Pringle. He gets so uptight at times that he wants to SCREAM. But I'm sure that he won't scream if you stay exactly where you are. That's right isn't it, Mr Pringle.

The_root_of_all_evil:

*twitch* Saying that is like asking a roleplayer if D&D is anything like the cartoon.

here I was thinking i am the only one in the world who remembered that piece of crap.

As for vamps, how come nobody's mentioned Angel or Spike yet?

TheNecroswanson:
Werewolves are better! *Runs away giggling*

QFT!

Please god no. Not more twilight related stuff.
*puts head into gas oven*
Can't we all just pretend it's not real, just a bad dream or something!

Personally I've always liked the vampires in the Cirque Du Freak series by Darren Shan. They were strong, drank blood, so on so forth. But they never interfered with humans. idk i loved those books

hmmmm..... I have 4 vampire-related movies.... which one to watch

i gotta go with the salems lot style

teh0riginalb00n:
Vampires are fictitious creatures....

Exactly.

*flips his cape, turns into a bat and flies off into the full moon*

Harry Dresden is at war with vampires.....thus he is the man

how come in Blade (and possibly a few other vampire films) silver is deadly to vampires? i always thought that was werewolves (that silver was deadly to, not that vampires were deadly to werewolves), or is it both?

PureChaos:
how come in Blade (and possibly a few other vampire films) silver is deadly to vampires? i always thought that was werewolves (that silver was deadly to, not that vampires were deadly to werewolves), or is it both?

Traditionally silver was considered a "pure" metal, so it repelled ALL denizens of the night. Same with mirrors. But they weren't allergic to it or some nonsense. It just reminded them they were monsters and spooked them off.

Why silver should be any purer than gold I don't know, except that it might have been easier for your average terrified Slavic peasant to get a hold of something silver than something gold. And a lot of our modern monster stuff comes out of their region of the world for whatever reasons, so their loopiness remains in tact.

tomdavi:
Anyobody ever read Bram Sotker's Dracula? His ideas and version of vampires are completely different from the ones portrayed in most of the more modern stylised vampire books, and yet Drac. is seen as being the archetypal vampire. He was in fact seen as being a reptilian creature (bats etc never get a real mention to the best of my knowledge), who had the capacity for extreme violence.

What? There's bats at the window all the time feeding on Lucy, the Count flies off towards London at one point (though whether that's in Bat form or not escapes me at the moment). He matches almost exactly most modern views of vampires (before anyone points out that crucifixes don't work, note that Hellsings crucifix - the real hellsing not the crappy one with Frankensteins Monster - was silver so it's entirely possible that a crucifix is a problem)

tomdavi:
He also struggled to disguise his desires for blood.

By holding Harker at his house for a full month before feeding? I'm wondering if you didn't just watch the movie - a lot of these things sound like that. Anyway I don't mean to rag.

tomdavi:
Going back, before even that to the origins of western vampire myths and most of the time the only "restrictions/ drawbacks" on them, was that they struggled to enter holy buildings, couldn't enter buildings without permission (something now often edited) and, in light they were simply reduced to not being as tough or powerful and having at best sensitive light skin. (btw I'm not some kind of vampire nut, I had to do a project on them in school for english once).

Dracula can't enter buildings without permission, and stays in the night quite often (though again it escapes me whether he can step into the light or not). The fact that you did it for English once probably indicates why your memory is vague. myself, I recently picked up the Leslie & Klinger edition of Stoker's fable, which is an excellent read for all the annotations and notes made.

Edit: Yes dracula is one of my favourites, though I'm a big fan of Lestat and whatsisface in Interview

My favourite vampires by far are the ones in Palladium's 'Beyond The Supernatural' table-top RPG. Simply put, they are controlled by a being from another dimension and survive everything short of sunlight, a stake through the heart or disintergration.

mydogisblue:
I haven't seen a whole lot of vampire movies, nor do I know much about Anne Rice's vampires.

But, I can tell you that 30 Days of Night was absolutely AWESOME

I would agree with the 30 Days of Night props.

I waited a long time to see vampires portrayed as actual monsters, not lame goth jerks who hang out in clubs. I know I'm hateful, but I was ruined by reading the Nosferatu legends.