Their are seven (one for each major sin) "devils" that have say on what goes one in hell. Lucifer punishes us, i theorize, because even though he was exiled form heaven he still holds nothing but total and absolute love and admiration towards God (the curse of all angels), so he punishes us because we fucked of what was stolen from him, a place at his FATHERS side. And beyond that why not be punished in Hell? If you end up their you must have done something to deserve it, and face ti WE ALL HAVE.
SniperInTheSky: Peoples do me a favor... DO NOT LIVE A LIFE OF COMPLACENT MEDIOCRITY! DO SOMETHING, ANYTHING THAT WILL GET YOUR NAME INTO THE ANNALS OF HISTORY! Doing such is the only true "heavenly bliss", even if you go to Hell at least you will have a name that holds meaning. Accept nothing as it is, either start the revolution or be ready to march beside or behind it... for it is coming... and I'm pretty sure its not breathing hard.
Umm I can't say if this is a good advice, unless this was some kind of a sarcastic statement and my sensors didn't pick it up.
Just because your name is in the annals of history doesn't really mean anything. In case of many people, such acts would only hurt innocent people... cough cough high school shooters cough.
You can be like that greek guy who burnt down a temple just to "live forever" since his name was then recorded and well known, and i still don't remember it...
Latvish please I implore you don't make anymore religeous threads today there are enough as it is and your contributions such as this and the masturbation thread are just bringing out the same sort of response.
But rather He is a powerful just, and wrathful God who can not allow sin into heaven. Only way though to heaven is a faith+repentance of sin(not belief in God) that Jesus is the key to heaven.
THat is powerful and wrathful but not just. "believe in me even though I haven't even given you a good reason to think I exist or burn"
Why should I be grouped up with people like sueng cho (and the devil has my permission to bone him in the eye sockets) for not believing in something with no evidence?? Do I go to hell for not believing you when you say Yahtzee isn't gonna make any videos for a month even though there's no reason to believe that?
sneakypenguin: well in my belief system any sin will send you to hell. Only faith in Christ can redeem you.
What if you sin more than 1000 people together, but have the strongest faith in the Christ? Hell, what if Hitler had the strongest faith in Christ and repented for his crimes? Basically, is it that easy to get to heaven? Or. Is God not going to forgive him no matter what? In this case, it means that what you're saying about repentence and faith in Christ in order to go to heaven is a load of crap.
sneakypenguin: well in my belief system any sin will send you to hell. Only faith in Christ can redeem you.
What if you sin more than 1000 people together, but have the strongest faith in the Christ? Hell, what if Hitler had the strongest faith in Christ and repented for his crimes? Basically, is it that easy to get to heaven? Or. Is God not going to forgive him no matter what? In this case, it means that what you're saying about repentence and faith in Christ in order to go to heaven is a load of crap.
Hmm. well if you are truly saved you wont sin more than 1000 people together 1. because God will punish you(even kill you if you continue in sin IDR the exact verse though)2. It would pain you to sin (conviction). And yes if Hitler had truly repented of his sins and placed faith in Christ he would go to heaven. Crazy isnt it.
I don't see a poll. And as far as I'm concerned there is no such thing as sin and no such thing as hell.
EDIT (for clarification): When I say I don't believe in sin I don't mean I don't believe that it's possible to do bad things, I just mean I don't believe in "sin" as religion teaches it to us.
If hell were real, I'd probably end up in purgatory anyway, for my painful indifference to the majority of things in the world. Unless that counts as a sin.
sneakypenguin: well in my belief system any sin will send you to hell. Only faith in Christ can redeem you.
What if you sin more than 1000 people together, but have the strongest faith in the Christ? Hell, what if Hitler had the strongest faith in Christ and repented for his crimes? Basically, is it that easy to get to heaven? Or. Is God not going to forgive him no matter what? In this case, it means that what you're saying about repentence and faith in Christ in order to go to heaven is a load of crap.
Hmm. well if you are truly saved you wont sin more than 1000 people together 1. because God will punish you(even kill you if you continue in sin IDR the exact verse though)2. It would pain you to sin (conviction). And yes if Hitler had truly repented of his sins and placed faith in Christ he would go to heaven. Crazy isnt it.
If there is such a thing 'hell', there are a few sins which should give you a one-way ticket to it. In my eyes, those are: stupidity, senseless killing, senseless hurting of people and animals and self-deceit.
In my opinion, the cardinal sins of (RC) christianity are, well, quite stupid, really. All of those are felt, done and used for (greater) good. Not to mention there's nothing seriously wrong with them in the first place.
But rather He is a powerful just, and wrathful God who can not allow sin into heaven. Only way though to heaven is a faith+repentance of sin(not belief in God) that Jesus is the key to heaven.
THat is powerful and wrathful but not just. "believe in me even though I haven't even given you a good reason to think I exist or burn"
Why should I be grouped up with people like sueng cho (and the devil has my permission to bone him in the eye sockets) for not believing in something with no evidence?? Do I go to hell for not believing you when you say Yahtzee isn't gonna make any videos for a month even though there's no reason to believe that?
It all comes down to whether you believe that the Bible is Gods word or just another book. If you believe the Bible then you can have no problem with the blind(or as the Bible calls it childlike faith) So yes God is still just in that He gives you the opportunity to place faith in Him. With evidence there is only forced conversion (ie if God himself came down and said hey you here I am now theres proof) you would have no choice but to believe (well you would bes stupid not to though some on here prolly would still be anti God) But God wants us to make a choice of our own free will so there is the element of faith.
But rather He is a powerful just, and wrathful God who can not allow sin into heaven. Only way though to heaven is a faith+repentance of sin(not belief in God) that Jesus is the key to heaven.
THat is powerful and wrathful but not just. "believe in me even though I haven't even given you a good reason to think I exist or burn"
Why should I be grouped up with people like sueng cho (and the devil has my permission to bone him in the eye sockets) for not believing in something with no evidence?? Do I go to hell for not believing you when you say Yahtzee isn't gonna make any videos for a month even though there's no reason to believe that?
It all comes down to whether you believe that the Bible is Gods word or just another book. If you believe the Bible then you can have no problem with the blind(or as the Bible calls it childlike faith) So yes God is still just in that He gives you the opportunity to place faith in Him. With evidence there is only forced conversion (ie if God himself came down and said hey you here I am now theres proof) you would have no choice but to believe (well you would bes stupid not to though some on here prolly would still be anti God) But God wants us to make a choice of our own free will so there is the element of faith.
That basically gives people like me, who believe in ratio, no good choice. If we ask for proof, we're going against the will of god. However, the moment we have this 'childlike faith', we're going against our own principles.
I find it interesting that there are obvious "sins" in the ten commandments, but no list of "good deeds." Such a religion of guilt and sociological misteps.
But rather He is a powerful just, and wrathful God who can not allow sin into heaven. Only way though to heaven is a faith+repentance of sin(not belief in God) that Jesus is the key to heaven.
THat is powerful and wrathful but not just. "believe in me even though I haven't even given you a good reason to think I exist or burn"
Why should I be grouped up with people like sueng cho (and the devil has my permission to bone him in the eye sockets) for not believing in something with no evidence?? Do I go to hell for not believing you when you say Yahtzee isn't gonna make any videos for a month even though there's no reason to believe that?
It all comes down to whether you believe that the Bible is Gods word or just another book. If you believe the Bible then you can have no problem with the blind(or as the Bible calls it childlike faith) So yes God is still just in that He gives you the opportunity to place faith in Him. With evidence there is only forced conversion (ie if God himself came down and said hey you here I am now theres proof) you would have no choice but to believe (well you would bes stupid not to though some on here prolly would still be anti God) But God wants us to make a choice of our own free will so there is the element of faith.
Equal opportunity to place faith in him? What about people that believe in other gods? What about every man born before the coming of Christ or Moses even? They all went to hell? Cause yeah, they never had a chance to hear about God before the Bible. So surely, they didn't choose to worship him. So yeah, expeditive justice. Like they say, not knowing is not an excuse right?
*Looks at title* Gee Willickers, Batman: I think we should turn to FSTDT for this one:
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Sorry I had to turn to Fundies say the Darndest things just to find a list of "sins", but I just had to put up some of the wacky things some fundamentalists actually consider sins.
sneakypenguin: well in my belief system any sin will send you to hell. Only faith in Christ can redeem you.
I believe in christ but waht sins do you think arent redeemable?
It's not the believing in Christ that saves you. Heck according to the bible the devil believes and trembles.
rather it's the belief and faith that nothing you can do is good enough for heaven but only Christ can get you there, nothing of your own. Repentance+faith in jesus's saving grace=salvation
So any sin is redeemable though Christ, or without Him any sin is unredeemable.
Ditto.
I've heard the argument before from nay-sayers that think: "So you mean I can act a certain way, and on my death bed, I can say 'Please, forgive me'" as an olly-olly-oxen-free?
Er...technically 'Yes' and 'No'. By belief is that God/Christ/Holy Spirit know your heart...if you truly beleive and repent in your core, then all sins are redeemable. However, that doesn't mean you get a free ticket at the last second for saying the magic words....if the condition of the heart is not there, no repentence, then no redemption.
If you believe the Bible then you can have no problem with the blind(or as the Bible calls it childlike faith) So yes God is still just in that He gives you the opportunity to place faith in Him. With evidence there is only forced conversion (ie if God himself came down and said hey you here I am now theres proof) you would have no choice but to believe (well you would bes stupid not to though some on here prolly would still be anti God) But God wants us to make a choice of our own free will so there is the element of faith.
Yea, he gives you that opportunity, and if you don't take it you burn. Not very just.
Does the element of faith matter? Why does god care about faith? There are so many other choices we make in life. Why not make it so the ones that decide are moral choices instead of blind ones?
crimson5pheonix: Well I've already committed Sloth, Envy, Avarice, Gluttony, Wrath, and Pride. So since I haven't committed the last one, I'll get off with a 100 years of purgatory.
Crap, I just committed Lust. I'm off for a thousand years in hell, see you guys soon.
None, as I neither believe in Sin, nor this Hell so many people seem so fond of threatening me with.
Of course Murder, Rape, and the like are all one way tickets to incarceration. If not outright execution. Anything that brings harm to another (against their will*) is inexcuseable.
sneakypenguin: well in my belief system any sin will send you to hell. Only faith in Christ can redeem you.
I believe in christ but waht sins do you think arent redeemable?
It's not the believing in Christ that saves you. Heck according to the bible the devil believes and trembles.
rather it's the belief and faith that nothing you can do is good enough for heaven but only Christ can get you there, nothing of your own. Repentance+faith in jesus's saving grace=salvation
So any sin is redeemable though Christ, or without Him any sin is unredeemable.
Well, murder is unforgiveable in this life and denying the holy ghost is unforgiveable forever
sneakypenguin: well in my belief system any sin will send you to hell. Only faith in Christ can redeem you.
I believe in christ but waht sins do you think arent redeemable?
It's not the believing in Christ that saves you. Heck according to the bible the devil believes and trembles.
rather it's the belief and faith that nothing you can do is good enough for heaven but only Christ can get you there, nothing of your own. Repentance+faith in jesus's saving grace=salvation
So any sin is redeemable though Christ, or without Him any sin is unredeemable.
Well, murder is unforgiveable in this life and denying the holy ghost is unforgiveable forever
If god wanted humans in heaven he wouldn't have booted Adam and Eve out in the first place,so no noone is getting into heaven until god accepts that he makes mistakes.
hypothetical fact: If god wanted humans in heaven he wouldn't have booted Adam and Eve out in the first place,so no noone is getting into heaven until god accepts that he makes mistakes.
Which he would never do as he is one spiteful son of a bitch.
Actually according to the bible just thinking about committing a sin is as bad as actually doing. And yes masturbation is just as bad a committing adultery. You horrible sinners. Atheism is the worst probably. Oh here's something "You shall not make for yourself an idol" Oh well, sorry Obama.
As long as you repent for you're sin and promise never to do them again you may if you must go past the Pearly Gates.
Their are seven (one for each major sin) "devils" that have say on what goes one in hell. Lucifer punishes us, i theorize, because even though he was exiled form heaven he still holds nothing but total and absolute love and admiration towards God (the curse of all angels), so he punishes us because we fucked of what was stolen from him, a place at his FATHERS side. And beyond that why not be punished in Hell? If you end up their you must have done something to deserve it, and face ti WE ALL HAVE.