Just wondering, what part of the 'core' genre (metalcore, deathcore etc.) appeals to people? I don't understand it.

Rusty Bucket:
Just wondering, what part of the 'core' genre (metalcore, deathcore etc.) appeals to people? I don't understand it.

well metalcore was something of a leaping board for me into the metal world so it holds some fond memory's. That being said a metalcore band has to have a fairly unique sound for me to really care any more. Unfortunately unique is not a common factor of metalcore.

dangerousdave_42:

Rusty Bucket:
Just wondering, what part of the 'core' genre (metalcore, deathcore etc.) appeals to people? I don't understand it.

well metalcore was something of a leaping board for me into the metal world so it holds some fond memory's. That being said a metalcore band has to have a fairly unique sound for me to really care any more. Unfortunately unique is not a common factor of metalcore.

Exactly my thoughts. I used to listen to metalcore, but now i can't understand why.

Rusty Bucket:

dangerousdave_42:

Rusty Bucket:
Just wondering, what part of the 'core' genre (metalcore, deathcore etc.) appeals to people? I don't understand it.

well metalcore was something of a leaping board for me into the metal world so it holds some fond memory's. That being said a metalcore band has to have a fairly unique sound for me to really care any more. Unfortunately unique is not a common factor of metalcore.

Exactly my thoughts. I used to listen to metalcore, but now i can't understand why.

Me too lulz. It played its part in getting me into what I listen to now, and for that I am very thankful.

Look, if anyone has been reading my posts they'll know I say this a lot, but GOD LOVES MTH AND SO SHOULD YOU.

Copter400:
Look, if anyone has been reading my posts they'll know I say this a lot, but GOD LOVES MTH AND SO SHOULD YOU.

What the hell is that?! It's like Slipknot with god awful vocals and inexplicable rapping sections. That was completely terrible.

Has Tool already been mentioned? I couldn't be arsed to go through 12 pages of posts.

If they haven't, I'd be more than willing to monologue at length about the genius of Messrs Maynard, Carey and co.

Just recently i've started to love Norwegian Black Metal, mostly the old classic bands like Mayhem and Emperor.

A lot more atmosphere and emotion compared to my usual of Death Metal and Grindcore

Ongaru:
Just recently i've started to love Norwegian Black Metal, mostly the old classic bands like Mayhem and Emperor.

A lot more atmosphere and emotion compared to my usual of Death Metal and Grindcore

I've tried getting into BM, but most of it I can't. There is some stuff I REALLY like, and then there's other stuff I HATE.

It's Solomon's law in full force "90% of everything is crap".

I really like Drudkh, Wolves in the Throne Room, Coldworld, and some stuff by Lifelover and Burzum.

Ongaru:
Just recently i've started to love Norwegian Black Metal, mostly the old classic bands like Mayhem and Emperor.

A lot more atmosphere and emotion compared to my usual of Death Metal and Grindcore

Black metal is sweet. Do you listen to Dimmu?

Rusty Bucket:
Just wondering, what part of the 'core' genre (metalcore, deathcore etc.) appeals to people? I don't understand it.

For me, its the intensity. I like Death Metal and Black Metal to some extent on its own. Behemoth being a good example of a death/black metal band I really like. But at some point I want something that will energize me more. Deathcore and metalcore have that. Breakdowns from hardcore, the varied vocalization, and the energetic playing style fix that. Death Metal is good at painting a picture of death and destruction, and instills that feeling. But Deathcore actually make me feel like I could go around destroying stuff.

But then again, for most people it probably just falls down into individual taste.

Ares Tyr:

Rusty Bucket:
Just wondering, what part of the 'core' genre (metalcore, deathcore etc.) appeals to people? I don't understand it.

For me, its the intensity. I like Death Metal and Black Metal to some extent on its own. Behemoth being a good example of a death/black metal band I really like. But at some point I want something that will energize me more. Deathcore and metalcore have that. Breakdowns from hardcore, the varied vocalization, and the energetic playing style fix that. Death Metal is good at painting a picture of death and destruction, and instills that feeling. But Deathcore actually make me feel like I could go around destroying stuff.

But then again, for most people it probably just falls down into individual taste.

See, for me, death/black metal has far more intensity than the core genres can have. I still occasionally listen to Parkway Drive (they have so much potential, if they'd just ditch the breakdowns). Honestly, breakdowns bore the hell out of me. It's like an instant pass to heaviness. 'We couldn't work out what to put here so we just did palm muted opens while the vocalist sings the exact same thing over and over.'

Found another decent melodeath band.
They're called Under Threat, formed in 1997. I'm not a big fan of their first few albums, but their latest one, Deathmosphere (2006) is really good. As well as having an awesome name, it's got some really great riffs and decent drums. Nothing flashy or particularly innovative, just good melodeath.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=13957582

/shameless bump.

Rusty Bucket:
Found another decent melodeath band.
They're called Under Threat, formed in 1997. I'm not a big fan of their first few albums, but their latest one, Deathmosphere (2006) is really good. As well as having an awesome name, it's got some really great riffs and decent drums. Nothing flashy or particularly innovative, just good melodeath.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=13957582

/shameless bump.

Success! I got it now :)

I use to listen to nothing but metal. But I changed to softer stuff, like alternative rock and techno(I know quite the transition) but it's not because of anything fanatical. It's just that my brother kind of pissed me off by stating somethings about metal, and I started listening to other stuff.

Which amp brand would you guys deem 'Most Metal'? I think this is self-explanatory but what I mean by this is which amp brand brings the most Metal sound.

Metallicity is directly proportional to loudness :P

Wow, I guess I got into this thread a bit late. I'm a music lover all around but metal has always been #1 for me.

Scorpio, that's such a loaded question! I mean, there are so many different ideas of what a "metal sound" is. Are you talking a thrash metal sound with a lot of treble, a nu metal sound that is very low toned? Do you use a lot of distortion or a little? Marshall seems to be a trusted brand all-around.

Really with an amp you just want to go for overall sound quality. The best amps are the ones that you can get any tone you want out of but most of the "metal" in your sound is going to come from your tone which relies on your guitar, your amp and your pedals. :)

Anyway, I got into metal as a kid when my sister introduced me to stuff like old school Metallica, Overkill, Judas Priest and Iron Maiden just to name a few. In high school I really got into some of the more tongue-in-cheek stuff like Gwar, Type O Negative, Marilyn Manson and Coal Chamber which led me back in time to Black Sabbath, Megadeth, etc... these days I am really into Children Of Bodom, Sonata Arctica, Nightwish, all the finnish stuff, really... but I get into pretty much all metal at some time or another. I have time periods where I'm really into thrash or really into symphonic or really into death, it just depends on what has grabbed my ear lately.

Black Sabbath is metal? Then I have loved metal since the day I was born.

Bulletinmybrain:
Black Sabbath is metal? Then I have loved metal since the day I was born.

Yes, definitely. They've influenced pretty much every genre of metal.

GPScorpio:
Which amp brand would you guys deem 'Most Metal'? I think this is self-explanatory but what I mean by this is which amp brand brings the most Metal sound.

Pretty much what metalgamer said. It'll have to be a valve amp though, loads more output.

Black metal is sweet. Do you listen to Dimmu?

i've never really looked into much of Dimmu Borgir's work, all i've heard by them so far is their cover of Venom's Black Metal, which is a great cover.

Ongaru:

Black metal is sweet. Do you listen to Dimmu?

i've never really looked into much of Dimmu Borgir's work, all i've heard by them so far is their cover of Venom's Black Metal, which is a great cover.

I only really like their older stuff. Enthrone Darkness Triumphant, Stormblast etc. Their new stuff is a bit too symphonic for me.

GPScorpio:
Which amp brand would you guys deem 'Most Metal'? I think this is self-explanatory but what I mean by this is which amp brand brings the most Metal sound.

Probably Mesa, as a lot of metal guys use them, and they're kinda the standard. Although i swear by my Marshal DSL100 head and cab. If you're tuning lower than C, then you may need something with a solid wood cab, such as an Engl, so as to keep the sound tight, and stop it going muddy.

Rusty Bucket:

Ongaru:

Black metal is sweet. Do you listen to Dimmu?

i've never really looked into much of Dimmu Borgir's work, all i've heard by them so far is their cover of Venom's Black Metal, which is a great cover.

I only really like their older stuff. Enthrone Darkness Triumphant, Stormblast etc. Their new stuff is a bit too symphonic for me.

Personally i prefer the symphonic Black Metal of recent years, as opposed to the early stuff. Its just better recorded and more complex musically. A band that i feel blend the complexity of new black metal with the attitude and sound of the old school, are 1349

y8c616:

Rusty Bucket:

Ongaru:

Black metal is sweet. Do you listen to Dimmu?

i've never really looked into much of Dimmu Borgir's work, all i've heard by them so far is their cover of Venom's Black Metal, which is a great cover.

I only really like their older stuff. Enthrone Darkness Triumphant, Stormblast etc. Their new stuff is a bit too symphonic for me.

Personally i prefer the symphonic Black Metal of recent years, as opposed to the early stuff. Its just better recorded and more complex musically. A band that i feel blend the complexity of new black metal with the attitude and sound of the old school, are 1349

I'm not a big fan off the first generation stuff like Mayhem and Burzum. I prefer more modern stuff, i just like Dimmu's older material more than their newer stuff.

Ongaru:

Black metal is sweet. Do you listen to Dimmu?

i've never really looked into much of Dimmu Borgir's work, all i've heard by them so far is their cover of Venom's Black Metal, which is a great cover.

I like Dimmu, but I know a few people who would look at you funny if you called them "black metal." Black Metal I don't really like. Stuff like Burzum and Wolves in the Throne Room, it's like some kind of dark abstract metal. It's weird. It's not... musical. I don't like it. I do love Dimmu and Cradle Of Filth though, since they broke away from the mold of black metal and grew as artists. The symphonic elements mixed with the heavy elements makes for some great depth and I love how big and theatrical it all is.

Then again, I also love Epica... which is about as big and theatrical as it gets.

y8c616:

GPScorpio:
Which amp brand would you guys deem 'Most Metal'? I think this is self-explanatory but what I mean by this is which amp brand brings the most Metal sound.

Probably Mesa, as a lot of metal guys use them, and they're kinda the standard. Although i swear by my Marshal DSL100 head and cab. If you're tuning lower than C, then you may need something with a solid wood cab, such as an Engl, so as to keep the sound tight, and stop it going muddy.

Oi, lower than C? I did once tune my cheap Epiphone down to drop A and I was shocked at how well my little Marshall practice amp handled it. I was playing Slipknot's "Psychosocial," which requires that you ride the palm-muted low E string in this tuning. Epiphones are cheap, but they're quality.

I really like the open D tuning. I feel like it's just the right balance of heaviness and tone, gives you that little extra punch without compromising the tightness of the sound. You can improvise some really sick stuff in D. Just ride the palm muted low-E and fill in notes that fall into the D minor or E minor scale and you have some sick riffs. Like this sort of thing:

d------------------------------------------
cb-----------------------------------------
f------------------------------------------
c--------7---------5-------3--------2-----------7--5--
g--------------------------------------------------5--3--
d--0-0------0-0----0-0-----0-0--------0-0-----

I had to play with it a bit to get it to line up right, but you get the idea.
Just palm mute those low Ds.
I love riffs like that.

Does anyone else find it interesting that you wander past a Take That gig or suchlike and everyone is a snobbish and morbidly brash, arrogant little arse whereas at a metal gig/concert/festival and everyone is lovely and shares their beer with you and is generally only there for a laugh and "most people" would think that it would be the other way around?

Metalgamer81:
Epiphones are cheap, but they're quality.

Not all of them are cheap. The top end models can hit around £800. You're not talking about D standard tuning are you? If you are, then that Cb should be an A. And no offence, but that riff is perhaps the most common, overused riff ever. Sure it sounds good, but it's everywhere.

Metalgamer81:

y8c616:

GPScorpio:
Which amp brand would you guys deem 'Most Metal'? I think this is self-explanatory but what I mean by this is which amp brand brings the most Metal sound.

Probably Mesa, as a lot of metal guys use them, and they're kinda the standard. Although i swear by my Marshal DSL100 head and cab. If you're tuning lower than C, then you may need something with a solid wood cab, such as an Engl, so as to keep the sound tight, and stop it going muddy.

Oi, lower than C? I did once tune my cheap Epiphone down to drop A and I was shocked at how well my little Marshall practice amp handled it. I was playing Slipknot's "Psychosocial," which requires that you ride the palm-muted low E string in this tuning. Epiphones are cheap, but they're quality.

I really like the open D tuning. I feel like it's just the right balance of heaviness and tone, gives you that little extra punch without compromising the tightness of the sound. You can improvise some really sick stuff in D. Just ride the palm muted low-E and fill in notes that fall into the D minor or E minor scale and you have some sick riffs. Like this sort of thing:

d------------------------------------------
cb-----------------------------------------
f------------------------------------------
c--------7---------5-------3--------2-----------7--5--
g--------------------------------------------------5--3--
d--0-0------0-0----0-0-----0-0--------0-0-----

I had to play with it a bit to get it to line up right, but you get the idea.
Just palm mute those low Ds.
I love riffs like that.

Yeah that riff's pretty cool, and I'd agree that epiphones are great quality for the price, but i think ibanez guitars are even better for an even lower price. I prefer the neck on my £200 Ibanez RG7321 to my £1500 Gibson, for instance. And yeah, marshalls will handle the low tuning, Ive also tuned to drop A on one of my 6 strings, and my 7 string is tuned B, E, A, D, G, B, E and it sounds fat as fuck through my marshall, but a solid wood cab, by Engl or Krank or the like, would hold the lower frequencies better, because the cab is made of solid wood (as opposed to a composite wood that the marshalls are made of), therefore have a greater range of resonant frequency. I'm not dissing marshalls though, i have 2 (DSL100 and AVT50), and they're great all-rounders.

Rusty Bucket:

Metalgamer81:
Epiphones are cheap, but they're quality.

Not all of them are cheap. The top end models can hit around £800. You're not talking about D standard tuning are you? If you are, then that Cb should be an A. And no offence, but that riff is perhaps the most common, overused riff ever. Sure it sounds good, but it's everywhere.

Ah, you got me, thanks. I don't know why i was thinking up instead of down there.
I'm sure that riff is everywhere, being that it's just a great, solid riff. The point is that it's something just about anyone can come up with just playing around and improvising. No offense taken! I consider my guitar skill level in the "intermediate" zone, so cool little things like that are still exciting for me. Actually, after I posted that I sat down with my guitar and my book of scales (most of which I haven't memorized) and improvised a few simple, cool sounding riffs in some of the different minor keys. To you maybe it's simple, dopey stuff... but for me it's just cool that I can actually do that now.

Epiphones are cheap Gibsons, so a $1600 Epi is like a $10,000 Gibson. I just went ahead and changed the currency on you. You English with your money that's worth more than ours. For shame!

Fruhstuck makes an excellent point... metal crowds are the best! I have had very few negative experiences. I have witnessed a fight or two, and I do almost always get stuck acting as a fence between the mosh pit and my girlfriend... but when someone falls down they get picked up and even in pretty wild pits nobody gets seriously hurt.

That is, unless you "blokes" from "across the pond" have much rowdier crowds what with all the dark beers and rugby. :)

y8c616:

Yeah that riff's pretty cool, and I'd agree that epiphones are great quality for the price, but i think ibanez guitars are even better for an even lower price. I prefer the neck on my £200 Ibanez RG7321 to my £1500 Gibson, for instance. And yeah, marshalls will handle the low tuning, Ive also tuned to drop A on one of my 6 strings, and my 7 string is tuned B, E, A, D, G, B, E and it sounds fat as fuck through my marshall, but a solid wood cab, by Engl or Krank or the like, would hold the lower frequencies better, because the cab is made of solid wood (as opposed to a composite wood that the marshalls are made of), therefore have a greater range of resonant frequency. I'm not dissing marshalls though, i have 2 (DSL100 and AVT50), and they're great all-rounders.

I've played a few ibanez guitars and my first ever instrument was an ibanez. It's true, the price is low and they do sound great. Of course, my ibanez was a Bass guitar... the "TR" series. A really weird bass actually, the body is very thin and the tone is REALLY bright.

Anyway, you seem to really know your hardware!

Metalgamer81:

Rusty Bucket:

Metalgamer81:
Epiphones are cheap, but they're quality.

Not all of them are cheap. The top end models can hit around £800. You're not talking about D standard tuning are you? If you are, then that Cb should be an A. And no offence, but that riff is perhaps the most common, overused riff ever. Sure it sounds good, but it's everywhere.

Ah, you got me, thanks. I don't know why i was thinking up instead of down there.
I'm sure that riff is everywhere, being that it's just a great, solid riff. The point is that it's something just about anyone can come up with just playing around and improvising. No offense taken! I consider my guitar skill level in the "intermediate" zone, so cool little things like that are still exciting for me. Actually, after I posted that I sat down with my guitar and my book of scales (most of which I haven't memorized) and improvised a few simple, cool sounding riffs in some of the different minor keys. To you maybe it's simple, dopey stuff... but for me it's just cool that I can actually do that now.

Epiphones are cheap Gibsons, so a $1600 Epi is like a $10,000 Gibson. I just went ahead and changed the currency on you. You English with your money that's worth more than ours. For shame!

Fruhstuck makes an excellent point... metal crowds are the best! I have had very few negative experiences. I have witnessed a fight or two, and I do almost always get stuck acting as a fence between the mosh pit and my girlfriend... but when someone falls down they get picked up and even in pretty wild pits nobody gets seriously hurt.

That is, unless you "blokes" from "across the pond" have much rowdier crowds what with all the dark beers and rugby. :)

I'm actually probably around the same level as you at guitar, i'm just beggining to find that riff a little boring. It's definitely a decent solid riff though, just overused.

Well yeah, Epiphones are certainly cheaper than Gibsons, but some of them aren't exactly cheap. It's always seemed that you're just paying for the logo on the headstock with Gibsons. The slightly better quality doesn't seem to justify the massive amounts of cash they ask for them. We seem to have strayed mildly off topic here.

Well, there's no doubt we're tougher than you Yanks, that's a given :) From what i can tell our crowds are pretty much the same as yours. Just slightly better, of course.

EDIT: I love Ibanez guitars. Go myself an SZ320 last year, absolutely brilliant. Mahgonay body, set-through neck, string through body. It's built like a tank, never goes wrong. And the sustain is absolutely amazing.

Symphonic rock is THE BEST! WITHIN TEMPTATION FOR EVER!!!

I think that Therion, Opeth, and Dark Tranquility are the best bands out today. No one can undermine these three.