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http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/02/nokia-unveils-flagship-n97-phone/

Larger (touch!)screen than any other QWERTY slider out there? ✔
Largest amount of storage space ever offered on a phone? ✔
A more comprehensive feature set than any other QWERTY slider out there? ✔
Takes a huge dump all over both variants of the iPhone? ✔✔✔
And most impressively: thinner than any other QWERTY slider out there? ✔

Drool along with me, children. Is there anything Apple, HTC, or Sony Ericsson could possibly and realistically do to best this?

I'm still getting (another) Nokia E71 this holiday season, but at least now I have an idea what its successor might be sometime in H1 2009 :]

Oh joy! Another product that I couldn't care less about. I mean, I've never had a cell phone, and I don't see the point in getting one.

Thing is, the iPhone is made by Mac, and all Mac products are trendy. The reason no MP3 player could beat out the iPod is because it was well-known and popular. Even if this is better, which seems to be true, the iPhone will still outsell it.

I predicted the format wars, and I'm always right about them: the product with the easier name is the winner. iPod, Blu-ray, etc. It's always the clean, sleek products with names rather than numbers that sell well. It's not because they are better, and they may win for reasons completely unrelated to their name, but the one with the fancy name always wins.

meatloaf231:
Oh joy! Another product that I couldn't care less about. I mean, I've never had a cell phone, and I don't see the point in getting one.

That's because you aren't in a profession which makes one, especially a powerful one, very useful.

meatloaf231:
Thing is, the iPhone is made by Mac, and all Mac products are trendy. The reason no MP3 player could beat out the iPod is because it was well-known and popular. Even if this is better, which seems to be true, the iPhone will still outsell it.

I don't mind that the iPhone will probably outsell this. What matters is that manufacturers are competing on the free market and us consumers, whether we pick the iPhone or the N97 or whatever, are better off because of it.

meatloaf231:
I predicted the format wars, and I'm always right about them: the product with the easier name is the winner. iPod, Blu-ray, etc. It's always the clean, sleek products with names rather than numbers that sell well. It's not because they are better, and they may win for reasons completely unrelated to their name, but the one with the fancy name always wins.

*shrug*

If you aren't interested in mobile tech, no one is forcing you to post in this thread ;]

Wow it does all these things and with a price of only $693 I'd be missing the deal of a lifetime. Why are you advertising?

Oh, don't mind me. I just meandered in here and figured I might as well speak my mind. I do find that little machine up there very impressive, but I'm just not excited because it's not affecting me in any way.

And with that, I bid you good night. My subconscious is grappling with my mind, and I figure it should get it's turn to run rampant for a few hours.

I thought that phone looked pretty sweet, but then I remembered I hate cellphones.

Anyways, I don't know much about cellphones so excuse my ignorance when I say it doesn't seem that much better than what's already out there. At least not enough to make me start caring about cellphones.

hypothetical fact:
Wow it does all these things and with a price of only $693 I'd be missing the deal of a lifetime. Why are you advertising?

Well, this guy has finally outed me. Guys, I just want to let you know that I'm advertising for Nokia. Indeed, Nokia has recognized the incredible potential this single forum has for future superphone owners and they have contracted me to indirectly advertise this phone in a single thread.

You are a winner and a hero.

Eggo:

hypothetical fact:
Wow it does all these things and with a price of only $693 I'd be missing the deal of a lifetime. Why are you advertising?

Well, this guy has finally outed me. Guys, I just want to let you know that I'm advertising for Nokia. Indeed, Nokia has recognized the incredible potential this single forum has for future superphone owners and they have contracted me to indirectly advertise this phone in a single thread.

You are a winner and a hero.

Firstly yes I know I am and secondly you didn't answer the question. If your spam is worth posting then why shouldn't anyone else spam the site with deals on second hand shoes.

I really don't care about the phone you want. No one cares about the phone you want. I highly doubt santa is lurking around here and even if he was we all know that he would be in the Forum Games and RP section.

You could at least add some damn content to this advertisement. Maybe let others talk about their phones instead of just showing off yours?

I'd buy it but I don't think the name is catchy enough and I am just fine with my Treo 750 for now.

And your advertisement needs more screenshots, preferably with it closed both front and back. I'm lazy and don't care enough to google it.

I gave up on nokia ages ago, the biggest reason is because a lot of their phones are unreliable and drain energy way too fast. I picked Sony Ericsson and it still hasn't failed me yet in 2 years in both quality or battery. While that phone may have all those features it's gonna come back to point B, all that crap will drain energy, meaning you'll have to put that thing into charging every day.

Holy shit I know I'd NEVER use 90% of the features on it but DO WANT!

Maybe if it was a bit cheaper I would defiantly pick it up.

Jursa:
I gave up on nokia ages ago, the biggest reason is because a lot of their phones are unreliable and drain energy way too fast. I picked Sony Ericsson and it still hasn't failed me yet in 2 years in both quality or battery. While that phone may have all those features it's gonna come back to point B, all that crap will drain energy, meaning you'll have to put that thing into charging every day.

Have you seen the data sheet on its battery life?

http://events.nokia.com/nokiaworld/assets/pdf/Data_Sheet_Nokia%20N97.pdf

It will play MP3s for 37 hours. That right there is ridiculous.

hypothetical fact:
Firstly yes I know I am and secondly you didn't answer the question. If your spam is worth posting then why shouldn't anyone else spam the site with deals on second hand shoes.

Yes, because as everyone knows, a single link to an Engadget article (Engadget just happens to be one of the largest blogs for this particular topic) is exactly the same thing as spamming deals on second hand shoes.

What the hell are some of you smoking and why hasn't it been passed around to me?

Eggo:

Jursa:
I gave up on nokia ages ago, the biggest reason is because a lot of their phones are unreliable and drain energy way too fast. I picked Sony Ericsson and it still hasn't failed me yet in 2 years in both quality or battery. While that phone may have all those features it's gonna come back to point B, all that crap will drain energy, meaning you'll have to put that thing into charging every day.

Have you seen the data sheet on its battery life?

http://events.nokia.com/nokiaworld/assets/pdf/Data_Sheet_Nokia%20N97.pdf

It will play MP3s for 37 hours. That right there is ridiculous.

Get it to dispense tissue and baby oil and I'm in.

Eggo:

Yes, because as everyone knows, a single link to an Engadget article (Engadget just happens to be one of the largest blogs for this particular topic) is exactly the same thing as spamming deals on second hand shoes.

What the hell are some of you smoking and why hasn't it been passed around to me?

Blatent spamming is still spamming no matter how valuable you percieve the cause. It is exactly the same for someone that really loves a deal on second hand shoes and highly regards the benefits a good pair of shoes can provide.
The only leg you have to stand on is if the other forum members also value your spam and wouldn't also enjoy learning of a new deal on shoes; but we don't know if they also want new shoes so how about you spam them with another product too and find out.

hypothetical fact:

Eggo:

Yes, because as everyone knows, a single link to an Engadget article (Engadget just happens to be one of the largest blogs for this particular topic) is exactly the same thing as spamming deals on second hand shoes.

What the hell are some of you smoking and why hasn't it been passed around to me?

Blatent spamming is still spamming no matter how valuable you percieve the cause. It is exactly the same for someone that really loves a deal on second hand shoes and highly regards the benefits a good pair of shoes can provide.
The only leg you have to stand on is if the other forum members also value your spam and wouldn't also enjoy learning of a new deal on shoes; but we don't know if they also want new shoes so how about you spam them with another product too and find out.

Stop posting off topic, take it to PM (if you really want to continue this) or I will have to report you. If you have no mind for talking about Nokia's new phones or the possible phones being released in response by Apple, HTC, and other phone manufacturers, then no one is forcing you to stay here and baselessly accuse and troll me for "spamming" and "advertising."

As far as current Nokia phones go I honestly think the E-71 has more seks appeal. Just looking at it makes me want to push buttons...

Greever:
As far as current Nokia phones go I honestly think the E-71 has more seks appeal. Just looking at it makes me want to push buttons...

Have you used one yet? It's wonderful to just simply touch. I can't wait to get a new one (I had to return my old one due to Bluetooth issues).

I was looking at the N97 yesterday and drooling with desire. It's got everything that I want on it, my only concern is how much it's going to cost me when I upgrade from my N95.

It strikes me as odd that the Qwerty layout is used in phones, it can't possibly be the ideal way to write when you only have your thumbs available.
Not that is optimal for keyboards either, but that's another subject.

nilcypher:
I was looking at the N97 yesterday and drooling with desire. It's got everything that I want on it, my only concern is how much it's going to cost me when I upgrade from my N95.

I stayed up at 3:15 AM to watch the first of the keynotes (and a couple of them after that) for Nokia World. I was so excited to see what was going to be revealed and it actually felt nice to not be disappointed.

And in terms of price, you do have to admit, it's certainly a lot cheaper than the other two phones (SE Xperia X1 and the HTC Touch Pro) in its class, even though it (currently) beats all of them in terms of...well...everything right now.

Although, what makes me really excited is how much of a fire this will be under the bottoms of Apple, HTC, and SE :)

More importantly, I want to see more Android devices next year!

*yawn* I'll keep my Nokia 3330 thank you very much.

I worked with Nokia phones (QA) and I have always found Nokia to be the most elegant phone designer. My next phone is definitely a Nokia. It might not be the high end $700 superphones, but at least I know I'm getting a good product when I buy Nokia.

SuperFriendBFG:
I worked with Nokia phones (QA) and I have always found Nokia to be the most elegant phone designer. My next phone is definitely a Nokia. It might not be the high end $700 superphones, but at least I know I'm getting a good product when I buy Nokia.

Damn, if I end up doing a Master's in HCI, I definitely want to work for Nokia.

It's a damn shame they can't throw S60 out the window and completely renovate it and/or move onto Android. Hell, in two or three couple years, processors will be powerful enough for them to virtualize S60 right into Android or whatever Linux platform they will eventually have to use.

Fire Daemon:
we all know that he would be in the Forum Games and RP section.

Santa?! Where, where?

I'd love a company to make a phone that just makes phone calls and has ridiculously long battery life. No games, no camera, no SMS, no MMS, no PTT, no stupid exercise apps, no downloadable apps, no custom ringtones, no voice recorder, no clock, no calendar, no memo pad, no email, no internet, no gimmicks, nothing but voice.

I wouldn't have it though. SMS finally proved itself useful when people realised how stupidly expensive SMS conversations are compared with actually talking to people and made SMS clear and concise, plus I've been in enough situations to know the value of having a camera on me at all times. And I don't wear a watch.

For that much cash you might as well buy a small phone, a small laptop and a dongle. Do it properly without the pocket brick.

rossatdi:
For that much cash you might as well buy a small phone, a small laptop and a dongle. Do it properly without the pocket brick.

You're missing a camera and GPS unit. Is there a laptop, phone, dongle, camera, and GPS unit combo out there which costs about 550 euros or less?

And the thing is, this isn't a pocket brick. It's thinner than the majority of phones, both smart and dumb, out there. It's only a little larger than the iPhone 3G:

http://www.sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/20373-iPhone-3G-vs-Nokia-N97-vs-N85-vs-N95

And do you have a laptop which lets you listen to music for 37 hours? :p

Then again, why can't you have both? Personally, I'm looking to get one of these and a dual-core netbook when that also comes out.

I suppose I'm one of the few people interested in this. It's certainly very technically impressive and probably just what Nokia needed in terms of a flagship product.

I don't think that it looks as aesthetically attractive as the Nokia E71 - the very device that I'm posting this from - but for personal use (as opposed to the business intentions of the E71, some of those features actually being very useful to me) this looks like the phone to get.

I do agree about S60 - it's certainly showing its age, and apparently it's a bitch to program for. I expect that Nokia will be drawn more towards Linux than Android; their N800 tablets are testament to that. Whatever open-source operating system they do choose, however, it will take a dump on nearly every mobile operating system currently out there, including iPhone OS, which I've never regarded as particularly impressive.

@Jursa: Actually, Nokia currently has devices with some of the longest battery lives out there, which includes my E71, which has an astounding maximum of 14 hours talk-time, which is probably just as long as my base-level Nokia 1600 which preceded it, and that didn't have any features like mobile internet or GPS.

@Hawgh: The QWERTY layout, while possibly seeming counter-intuitive for mobile devices, operates on a scale of speed which leaves unassisted numerical keypads absolutely trailing in the dust, and can beat T9 numerical keypads in the hands of a trained user - because of my knowledge of the QWERTY layout, my speed of typing has been speeded up several times. It's also demonstratably better than anything on the iPhone, and also beats stylus-based touch keyboards, which I have experience with through my Palm T|X.

Yeah, it's unfortunate that it isn't as good looking as the E71, but honestly, I really doubt *anything* will ever look as good as the E71. The closest would have been something based off of the N810. When I had my E71, it looked beautiful next to my N810.

My biggest peeve with S60 is that all the different options to get wireless data (3G vs WiFi) for different applicatons are horribly managed and should instead be automatically prioritized as set by the user.

Eggo:

rossatdi:
For that much cash you might as well buy a small phone, a small laptop and a dongle. Do it properly without the pocket brick.

You're missing a camera and GPS unit. Is there a laptop, phone, dongle, camera, and GPS unit combo out there which costs about 550 euros or less?

And the thing is, this isn't a pocket brick. It's thinner than the majority of phones, both smart and dumb, out there. It's only a little larger than the iPhone 3G:

http://www.sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/20373-iPhone-3G-vs-Nokia-N97-vs-N85-vs-N95

And do you have a laptop which lets you listen to music for 37 hours? :p

Then again, why can't you have both? Personally, I'm looking to get one of these and a dual-core netbook when that also comes out.

To be honest I didn't really look at it. What the hell do you need a GPS tracker for anyway, last time I checked you were a college student. No, I have an MP3 player that lets me listen to music for 37 hours. I guess if you were a travelling IT consultant it'd probably be useful, I remember Maddox's loving rant about the last awesome Nokia.

Gadget love bores me a little, but at leas its not an Isomething. Until we get something implanted into our head that allows us to read the news with one eye whilst navigating commuter travel with the other it's all spitting in the wind.

rossatdi:
To be honest I didn't really look at it. What the hell do you need a GPS tracker for anyway, last time I checked you were a college student.

College students don't travel? Especially ones who live in a city?

rossatdi:
No, I have an MP3 player that lets me listen to music for 37 hours. I guess if you were a travelling IT consultant it'd probably be useful, I remember Maddox's loving rant about the last awesome Nokia.

There have been a lot of awesome Nokias since that one, actually :p

rossatdi:
Gadget love bores me a little, but at leas its not an Isomething. Until we get something implanted into our head that allows us to read the news with one eye whilst navigating commuter travel with the other it's all spitting in the wind.

Maybe it's because I study neuroscience, but direct neural control is *really* overrated for the vast majority of applications.

Eggo:

Maybe it's because I study neuroscience, but direct neural control is *really* overrated for the vast majority of applications.

Well you guys need to pull your fingers out then. Lazy bloody students. I'd like to be able to operate a mouse type interface with my mind and type what I verbalise in my head. What's taking so long?

Also, don't split up the quotes like that, it just means I have to delete more of your quote alerts.

n97esque phone + android is what i'm waiting for

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