NewClassic: I can admit I'm pretty elitist at times.
I have hobbies, and I care intensely about my hobbies. If you want to rank yourself to par with my hobbies then you better make some effort to back it up. When I got into game reviews, I spent a lot of time figuring out what kinda reviews I liked. I found writers like mjhhiv, RAKtheUndead, Maet, RentCavalier, Gigantor, SimuLord, Spartan Bannana as well as the old X-Play and Zero Punctuation reviews, and I figured out a way to make my writing work with those influences in mind.
Then, once I felt like I had a firm understanding of what made my reviews work, and if they worked at all, I started to notice what I came to feel as my home in User Reviews a little muddy. New users and short reviews... What happened? So I critiqued. (SirDanRhodes can attest to that.)
I think I could be easily regarded as an elitist writer when you look at most of my posts. Although most times it's in the name of offering advice for people who can take it (and take it harsh), and accidentally alienating those who can't.
But it's okay, it's all for the greater good. The greater good!
Oh, and I'm intense about writing and drawing, too, as those are also my hobbies. You can ask just about anyone, I get a little... Forceful with my opinions.
thiosk: anyway, i'm elitist when it comes to science. I'm allowed to be, because I got a phD, and you didn't. And I like to call people on it when they spew pseudo- and preconceptual-science.
PhD is the grammatically correct way of writing it. Also, what did you do your dissertation on?
you're exactly one of those people i referred to in my previous post.
theklng: You're exactly one of the people that I referred to in my previous post.
What, the people who think they're pompous because they're elitist about what they like instead of thinking they're about the bigger picture? Allow me to clarify my stance a little.
theklng: The greatest flaw of the average man is the consideration that he is better than everyone else, especially when only exercising it through bureaucratic measures. E.G. Smart asses who correct spelling and grammar errors, as if it was the end of the world if someone misspelled the term YOU'RE. People like that like to create a reason for themselves, and usually the outcome is just as bad as their own mind is.
The real elite is actually keeping quiet and working for more meaningful causes than a world society to end all spelling errors. If you think you're an elitist, you've got to prove it.
I might add that while IQ certainly has its say in this, there are different forms of intelligence.
While I naturally agree with the concept of elitism having different levels, you seem to mistake elitism for a higher purpose. Granted, spelling and grammar are important on a small level, because they have their natural uses in day-to-day life, but what you address as "quantifying self-worth via measurable concepts" (For example, seeing correct spelling and grammar as being of more worth than the message), I see it as "clarifying the communicative medium through which we all use" (For example, correcting someone who uses dangling modifiers to address the sentence incorrectly, like "The young boy in the car crash inspiring sympathy from myself and my mother who died" implies to the reader that my mother died, not the boy who inspired the sympathy).
I'm not going to pretend I'm serving some higher purpose, leading the grammar invasion atop the silver steed of righteousness and self-worth, but you certainly seem to indicate in your post that you're working on something very silent but important.
So yes, from your post, not only are you elitist, but you're elitist as hell. You regard yourself with a smug sense of superiority so vast you aren't even telling us why you think you're better. You simply say "I'm working in the shadows, and I know I will accomplish more than you." Con-gratu-freakin'-lations, sir, but instead of pretending like I make a bigger difference, I help the little guy. People have come to me asking them to edit their reviews, and I have. People go to me asking for my opinions, which I give.
I make a difference for these people, which I'd like to argue is more important than your shadowy self-validation, sir. So while I appreciate the time it takes for you to remind me just how much better you are, sir, I'm going to continue making what little difference I can, and measure my elitism by that. While you, sir, continue to gauge your self-worth in the shadows and flickering light.
Forgive my moment of blindness, sir, I tend to mistake helpful pretentiousness for self-righteous, arrogant pretentiousness. It won't happen again.
Just as a footnote, elitist is defined as "consciousness of or pride in belonging to a select or favored group," and considering I find writers of some talent to be a select group, I find myself elitist. I think you've mistaken elitism, sir, for crusading.
Footnote 2: For anyone who thought I was serious about the greater good should watch more movies.
Of course, if a thread ends without anyone suffering an aneurysm, what the point? I also enjoy pointing out useless facts, like 2*2 approximates to 3.
I'm an elitist for not understanding maths at all. I get a little bit of wave physics, but thats about it
I can also prove mathematically that the answer to 2*2 doesn't exist. Math is fun.
Having done a bit of proof, i'd actually like to see that!
Been a while
2 * 2 = (-2) *1/(1-3/2). The second factor on the right hand side has a geometric series expansion 1/(1-3/2) = 1 + 3/2 +9/4 + 27/8 + ..., which diverges. Hence, the solution to 2 * 2 does not exist.
Im elitist about elitist people. It Just things people; movies, art, music, ps3, xbox360 or bloody apples. Whatever.
I look down on people who think you're inferior because you don't care which console is better or how the camera angles in some art house film are far superior to the latest blockbuster. Because they are clearly defective as a person if they invest themselves so much in something so insignificant.
I'm supposed to be doing a miniature theatre production. But I got paired with two retards who can barely read the damn script, let alone take directions on what to do. I am very close to killing the both of them because of how stupid and annoying they are and how much they're embarrassing me (I'm younger than them too). -_-
Is this elitism? Or do I have the right to be pissed off?
SecretTacoNinja: I'm supposed to be doing a miniature theatre production. But I got paired with two retards who can barely read the damn script, let alone take directions on what to do. I am very close to killing the both of them because of how stupid and annoying they are and how much they're embarrassing me (I'm younger than them too). -_-
Is this elitism? Or do I have the right to be pissed off?
Both and that is okay, I know the feeling. If you can, try and do as much of it yourself as possible. The less they know, they less they can screw up.
SecretTacoNinja: I'm supposed to be doing a miniature theatre production. But I got paired with two retards who can barely read the damn script, let alone take directions on what to do. I am very close to killing the both of them because of how stupid and annoying they are and how much they're embarrassing me (I'm younger than them too). -_-
Is this elitism? Or do I have the right to be pissed off?
theklng: You're exactly one of the people that I referred to in my previous post.
What, the people who think they're pompous because they're elitist about what they like instead of thinking they're about the bigger picture? Allow me to clarify my stance a little.
theklng: The greatest flaw of the average man is the consideration that he is better than everyone else, especially when only exercising it through bureaucratic measures. E.G. Smart asses who correct spelling and grammar errors, as if it was the end of the world if someone misspelled the term YOU'RE. People like that like to create a reason for themselves, and usually the outcome is just as bad as their own mind is.
The real elite is actually keeping quiet and working for more meaningful causes than a world society to end all spelling errors. If you think you're an elitist, you've got to prove it.
I might add that while IQ certainly has its say in this, there are different forms of intelligence.
While I naturally agree with the concept of elitism having different levels, you seem to mistake elitism for a higher purpose. Granted, spelling and grammar are important on a small level, because they have their natural uses in day-to-day life, but what you address as "quantifying self-worth via measurable concepts" (For example, seeing correct spelling and grammar as being of more worth than the message), I see it as "clarifying the communicative medium through which we all use" (For example, correcting someone who uses dangling modifiers to address the sentence incorrectly, like "The young boy in the car crash inspiring sympathy from myself and my mother who died" implies to the reader that my mother died, not the boy who inspired the sympathy).
I'm not going to pretend I'm serving some higher purpose, leading the grammar invasion atop the silver steed of righteousness and self-worth, but you certainly seem to indicate in your post that you're working on something very silent but important.
So yes, from your post, not only are you elitist, but you're elitist as hell. You regard yourself with a smug sense of superiority so vast you aren't even telling us why you think you're better. You simply say "I'm working in the shadows, and I know I will accomplish more than you." Con-gratu-freakin'-lations, sir, but instead of pretending like I make a bigger difference, I help the little guy. People have come to me asking them to edit their reviews, and I have. People go to me asking for my opinions, which I give.
I make a difference for these people, which I'd like to argue is more important than your shadowy self-validation, sir. So while I appreciate the time it takes for you to remind me just how much better you are, sir, I'm going to continue making what little difference I can, and measure my elitism by that. While you, sir, continue to gauge your self-worth in the shadows and flickering light.
Forgive my moment of blindness, sir, I tend to mistake helpful pretentiousness for self-righteous, arrogant pretentiousness. It won't happen again.
Just as a footnote, elitist is defined as "consciousness of or pride in belonging to a select or favored group," and considering I find writers of some talent to be a select group, I find myself elitist. I think you've mistaken elitism, sir, for crusading.
Footnote 2: For anyone who thought I was serious about the greater good should watch more movies.
i didn't actually expect to find a "toohey" in this life. i also like that while being extremely sarcastic, you also point out my grammatic errors. in programming, there is a saying; "semantics, not syntax". it doesn't matter how it is spelled out as long as the meaning behind it is conveyed. words are syntax, meanings are semantics - you get the picture.
let me put it this way: if you were one of the "real elite" (i don't consider myself part of it, i just made a point with people actually working on something deeper than spelling errors), you wouldn't even bother replying or defending yourself; because you would automatically know that public opinion, including your own, does not matter.
i think what you wrote here is a perfect example of the purpose you give your own person. you judge people on if they're working on a more meaningful project than you, calling those people pretentious; yeah, i guess einstein or jefferson were pretentious people too, with what they worked on silently and revealed in the end.
you "help the little guy", implying that someone is below you in the grand hierarchy of all things judgmental and that that guy needs your help. your own arrogance is invisible to you and to your society, because your society is made up by people either like you, or people that want to be helped. you think you can bring people down a peg, so that they conform and stay within the limits of your society; not realizing that if those people did not stray, humans as a species would still be living in caves.
on a final note, i'd like to say that i did not mistake the word elitism here; because what are you if you are not proud to be serving the community, helping those that are arguably weaker than you and shunning those that are stronger; so that you at some point, may become "the greatest"?
Well, what I tend to do is try to ignore those that are stupid. If, for example, I am walking with a friend and hear someone who walks past and he/she says something wrong, or I over hear their oppinion on a matter. I will stop the conversation we were having and have a jolly good chin waggle over the matter. Also, eventually someone will say something so ridiculous I will have to stop ignoring and start shouting. D:
I say so many unfounded and bullshitty things I never have the chance to elitist ;) (although I suspect I would be an arrogant mysoginistic elitest bastard given the vaguest opportunity)
I'm elitist with gaming. I hate it when barely-gaming fanboys go one about how the Playstation is the best. It was mostly last gen that I got this, but people would give me crap like the PS2 has the best graphics and that's it. It's over. And you couldn't argue with that. I'd correct them with the truth (Xbox had the best graphics technically) but they'd disagree and continue to think of themselves as knowledgeable. But then I'd win the argument when I could name five more Xbox exclusives than they could PS2.
I refuse to listen to people's "micro-reviews" of games they haven't really played. "Oh, I never played _____ because I heard the graphics aren't that good." And then I'd ask, "Have you played it?" "No but-"
SecretTacoNinja: I'm supposed to be doing a miniature theatre production. But I got paired with two retards who can barely read the damn script, let alone take directions on what to do. I am very close to killing the both of them because of how stupid and annoying they are and how much they're embarrassing me (I'm younger than them too). -_-
Is this elitism? Or do I have the right to be pissed off?
Both and that is okay, I know the feeling. If you can, try and do as much of it yourself as possible. The less they know, they less they can screw up.
That's the problem. :) I'm doing almost everything myself and I don't like having to do everything myself, I don't like being the leader. Buuut things have gone better since I took over...
SecretTacoNinja: I'm supposed to be doing a miniature theatre production. But I got paired with two retards who can barely read the damn script, let alone take directions on what to do. I am very close to killing the both of them because of how stupid and annoying they are and how much they're embarrassing me (I'm younger than them too). -_-
Is this elitism? Or do I have the right to be pissed off?
Both and that is okay, I know the feeling. If you can, try and do as much of it yourself as possible. The less they know, they less they can screw up.
That's the problem. :) I'm doing almost everything myself and I don't like having to do everything myself, I don't like being the leader. Buuut things have gone better since I took over...
I'm totally quitting theatre. -_-
That's why I never got into theater in the first place...
Both and that is okay, I know the feeling. If you can, try and do as much of it yourself as possible. The less they know, they less they can screw up.
That's the problem. :) I'm doing almost everything myself and I don't like having to do everything myself, I don't like being the leader. Buuut things have gone better since I took over...
I'm totally quitting theatre. -_-
That's why I never got into theater in the first place...[/quote]
I didn't have much choice, it was part of the course I'm on...
I never wanted to act in the first bloody place... but those two were so shit at it I had no choice...
xitel: I normally find myself correcting people in terms of grammar and when it comes to random technology trivia.
Random tech trivia? What kind of processor does the Xbox360 use and what is it/ are they clocked at?
No, like where did the term "bug" originate from.
So you can't answer my question?
I could if I googled it, but I'm just saying that's hardware specs not trivia.
bit I would consider it trivia, it's a random fact about technology, I'd call it trivia.
However it is in a way useful, so it is not necessarily trivia. However, the story of where the term "bug" came from won't matter.
Except if they hadn't debugged that giant calculator, how might have technology progressed? What if people thought that if a bug gets in your gadget, it becomes useless? Technophiles (if any existed) would be scared to death of moths! I'd say debugging is very important.
Both and that is okay, I know the feeling. If you can, try and do as much of it yourself as possible. The less they know, they less they can screw up.
That's the problem. :) I'm doing almost everything myself and I don't like having to do everything myself, I don't like being the leader. Buuut things have gone better since I took over...
I'm totally quitting theatre. -_-
That's why I never got into theater in the first place...
I didn't have much choice, it was part of the course I'm on...
I never wanted to act in the first bloody place... but those two were so shit at it I had no choice...[/quote]
Well, okay. I had to take theater too,but we didn't act if we didn't want to. We always ended up watching movies.
xitel: I normally find myself correcting people in terms of grammar and when it comes to random technology trivia.
Random tech trivia? What kind of processor does the Xbox360 use and what is it/ are they clocked at?
No, like where did the term "bug" originate from.
So you can't answer my question?
I could if I googled it, but I'm just saying that's hardware specs not trivia.
bit I would consider it trivia, it's a random fact about technology, I'd call it trivia.
However it is in a way useful, so it is not necessarily trivia. However, the story of where the term "bug" came from won't matter.
Except if they hadn't debugged that giant calculator, how might have technology progressed? What if people thought that if a bug gets in your gadget, it becomes useless? Technophiles (if any existed) would be scared to death of moths! I'd say debugging is very important.
Ummm... if a moth gets into your circuitry you're gadget won't work... anyways, thr point is that the story doesn't matter.
xitel: I normally find myself correcting people in terms of grammar and when it comes to random technology trivia.
Random tech trivia? What kind of processor does the Xbox360 use and what is it/ are they clocked at?
No, like where did the term "bug" originate from.
So you can't answer my question?
I could if I googled it, but I'm just saying that's hardware specs not trivia.
bit I would consider it trivia, it's a random fact about technology, I'd call it trivia.
However it is in a way useful, so it is not necessarily trivia. However, the story of where the term "bug" came from won't matter.
Except if they hadn't debugged that giant calculator, how might have technology progressed? What if people thought that if a bug gets in your gadget, it becomes useless? Technophiles (if any existed) would be scared to death of moths! I'd say debugging is very important.
Ummm... if a moth gets into your circuitry you're gadget won't work... anyways, thr point is that the story doesn't matter.
When I say useless, I mean you have to throw it out instead of fix it. And the story does matter. Don't dilute yourself.
theklng: i didn't actually expect to find a "toohey" in this life. i also like that while being extremely sarcastic, you also point out my grammatic errors. in programming, there is a saying; "semantics, not syntax". it doesn't matter how it is spelled out as long as the meaning behind it is conveyed. words are syntax, meanings are semantics - you get the picture.
let me put it this way: if you were one of the "real elite" (i don't consider myself part of it, i just made a point with people actually working on something deeper than spelling errors), you wouldn't even bother replying or defending yourself; because you would automatically know that public opinion, including your own, does not matter.
i think what you wrote here is a perfect example of the purpose you give your own person. you judge people on if they're working on a more meaningful project than you, calling those people pretentious; yeah, i guess einstein or jefferson were pretentious people too, with what they worked on silently and revealed in the end.
you "help the little guy", implying that someone is below you in the grand hierarchy of all things judgmental and that that guy needs your help. your own arrogance is invisible to you and to your society, because your society is made up by people either like you, or people that want to be helped. you think you can bring people down a peg, so that they conform and stay within the limits of your society; not realizing that if those people did not stray, humans as a species would still be living in caves.
on a final note, i'd like to say that i did not mistake the word elitism here; because what are you if you are not proud to be serving the community, helping those that are arguably weaker than you and shunning those that are stronger; so that you at some point, may become "the greatest"?
While I appreciate your flair for the dramatic, I must say you misread my message. I help the little guys, it's true. The big guys, like The Scientific Community, The Church, anything that's a noun that's only proper when capitalized (The Government) are the big guys. I'm a little guy, you're a little guy, SimuLord is a little guy, and nilcypher is a little guy. We're not an establishment, we're not the end all be-all. We're the little guy. I help mjhhiv, the little guy, as well as RAKtheUndead, the little guy. We're all the little guys, until we move together to accomplish something greater. Stephen Hawking, Einstein, Jefferson, they had peers. Fellow scientists, advisors, cabinets.
And you again misinterpret. I'm not helping those weaker. I can, on occasion, help those in worse circumstances, much like I could just as easily buy a burger for the CEO of Microsoft or the President as I could an impoverished orphan. We're all little guys, without our big names, fancy titles, and big posse. Why do you think we have an army of one, instead of just the one? Why the few, the proud, the Marines? Once again, not weak, not strong, just peers.
Also, you mention "semantics, not syntax". But earlier, did I not state:
NewClassic: "Clarifying the communicative medium through which we all use."
Not correcting grammar, clarifying statements. Semantics, not syntax. (Syntax is just icing.)
Although, frankly, it seems like all we do is gauge each other as elitist attempts at being above one-another, and I think it's silly. We both misinterpretted one another, and it's making us argue over something we seem to agree on. Why?
Also, as a simple note, I am never going to become "The Greatest." Simply because it doesn't exist. The statement "There will always be someone better than you." rings true 100% of the time. So I'm not trying to be stalwart grammar hero Nuke Lassic, lord of the legions of grammar.
you're exactly one of those people i referred to in my previous post.