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On the Record  Posts: 5491 Joined: 13 Aug 2008     | |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2599 Joined: 6 Jun 2008    |
The other guy couldn't provide an obtuse story, and I could. i got the job because I knew the story. So HA! |
On the Record Posts: 5491 Joined: 13 Aug 2008 |
So your elitism is being able to remember obscure useless stories too? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2599 Joined: 6 Jun 2008 |
Like I said, I'm not an elitist. I just like to give people aneurysms. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1146 Joined: 27 Aug 2008     | I correct people under three conditions: a.) they're wrong Correcting total strangers = fail. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1170 Joined: 1 May 2008   |
yes because what you make out of the word "you're" is going to differ, whether you capitalize the first letter or not (see: your remake of my first post); or indeed, whether you spell it "your" in some cases (see: context). or, if you want an example from your post: i still understand what you mean with "misinterpretted" even though your spelling isn't correct. i'm not being smug about you having faults, or that your attitude in your first post was sarcastic and rude; because i know that perfection cannot exist within the physical limitations of this universe. i'm not perfect either, but i never said that i was. if you consider yourself intelligent, then you should learn from your mistakes. don't judge people on spelling, especially when you can't properly do it yourself. in your statement about little guys, allow me to repost what i posted in my previous post:
serving your community. that's what you do. replace community with any other form of group of people. your society, your inner friends group, what have you. you have your "peers" which you somehow consider equals, yet they only ask you when they want something from you. polish up their review? invite you to a party? this elaborates upon the "weakness" point as well, with it being arguable. sure you can serve a cheeseburger for a CEO (who consequently also is a 'little guy' outside of his company), but chances are that he can go get it himself and does not need you, eliminating your purpose. with the weak, you can serve a cheeseburger for a man that needs the cheeseburger, creating a purpose for you. the cheeseburger in this case being metaphorical. the question "why?" remains. i am not sure you would understand. i am not even sure that i understand. |
Muckraker  Posts: 280 Joined: 7 Feb 2008     | I'm a huge book snob, unfortunately. I'm all for people reading more books, but when I see people reading girl-porn or Twilight (basically the same thing -_-) and talk about how they'd like to be a vampire and twinkle in the sun, I have to suppress a scream of rage. My sister, who got all snippy with me today, said that Twilight held as much literary merit as Harry Potter, and I really couldn't respond. Harry Potter may not be literary genius, but...-_- |
Vault Legend  Posts: 2205 Joined: 30 Jul 2008    |
In regards to the spoiler text, there lies the philosophical question, whereas I simply ask why we continue these chains of text over and over again. Although it seems like I'm being misinterpreted, and I may also misinterpret you, so I'm attempting to both elucidate on my own statements while attempting to further clarify my understanding of yours. Although, the tone always seems somewhat smug when either of us posts. Which is something I'm not actively striving for, and something I'm unsure if you're intending or not. As far as "misinterpretted," there were two instances of the verb "misinterpret" in differing forms, with the former (misinterpret) being correct, and the latter (misinterpretting) being incorrect. I'm not saying perfect grammar and spelling are required (although they are so vehemently encouraged), I'm simply saying do not disregard established conventions for the sake of disregarding them. If a written piece, professional or otherwise, contains several instances of "your," and the term "you're" is never used (with your being used in its place), then I will begin to correct those. Not because it's a requirement, but because it's for the sake of clarity. Most often, there will be no overlap of your/you're, but there are occasions, and it's an easy habit to simply say "they will understand" when occasionally they won't. It's for the sake of clarity I will remark on grammar, not simply for syntax. As far as spelling, I will (once again) only remark upon it if it is excessive or misleading. I've seen people use horrendous spelling in pieces which will inevitably confuse the reader. If it becomes that much of a problem, it will be fixed. One or two typos will make no difference in the long run. Granted, I will be to-the-letter harsh if I'm acting as an editor, because it's the job of the editor. Otherwise, I think you're assuming something on me that isn't the case. As far as the weak/strong argument, this isn't about the hypothetical situations, it's more about the perception. I don't perceive the "little guys" to be little compared to me, I look at the term on a larger scale. So, they aren't "weak" or "below me" or "inferior," they just are (like myself), the little guys. As far as the asking of things, I understand my peers asking me for things. It's natural that someone could have more experience or better insight on certain things, and given how long I've been writing, I can somewhat safely assume I have a decent enough history to help edit their work, should they ask it of me. It's not that they have to ask ("Your lordship, Nuke, please red pen all over me."), it's that I sometimes feel too imposing to drop in with the red pen in mind ("Here! Take this red-penning! Compliments of Nuke! Ha ha ha!"). |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 356 Joined: 28 Aug 2008   | I don't really see where the problem is in being an elitist. Correct me if i'm wrong, but the elite is the creme de la creme of a society. As long as it's based upon a meritocratic procedure then there's nothing wrong in it. To say otherwise is taking pride in mediocrity. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1170 Joined: 1 May 2008 |
you and i work on different levels. i'll only post this short notice and read any remarks upon it, because quite frankly, i can't be bothered about this anymore. what you write about yourself is what i wrote about you before. your use of the word "clarity" is superficial, again with creating purpose for yourself (i am talking strictly out of what you did here in regards to my first post; i want you to learn from your mistake there). you're not the editor of this forum and as such, it is not your duty or responsibility to edit or change them. you do so of your own will. i wouldn't have said a word if you were an editor because it would be implicit that it was your job (personally, i can't imagine the sum of money it would take to pay someone to clean up these forums every day). as for the "philosophical" answer: i could give you a superficial one, but i would be lying. you cannot explain the actions of a person without going through his or her mind first. for me, the borderline between the profound and the mundane does not exist, and i will utilize language to its best extent; to put down exactly what i mean in words what my thoughts were in my mind. if you limit yourself to thinking in categories or genres, and cannot cross from one to the other, there will be a point where you will find it hard to explain yourself. i have had cases where language has been unable to supply a syntax for my semantic, and i consider that enough of a limit; much less would i limit myself to only speaking certain words in certain communiques. despite all i have written, i want to thank you. i learn while in communication, and it is often i get new perspectives from simply talking. it's not what you say, it's not how you say it, it's why you say it. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 128 Joined: 11 Oct 2008   | I try not to come across like one, but I know that I really am an elitist. It's mostly when people talk about video games that I get all riled up (because Portal was better than any run of the mill Call of Duty and Gears!!) I also nearly got in a fight with someone in a restaurant recently because she got mad at a waiter when she found a piece of hair in her food. It was her own hair. It was sitting on top of the butter that she had just put on the bread herself. I told her that, and she got mad. If you're going to define an elitist as someone who thinks they're better than others, then yes, that is me. I can also be quite modest at the same time (I'm the most modest person you know!). It's quite a mix. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 75 Joined: 27 Oct 2008    | I have no problem with people who disagree but if they can't defend their argument with rational though then I tend to tear them apart. I hate how everyone assumes i'm arguing just to be right when i'm trying to prove that they have no actual arguments and they just disagree the second you bring up a concept. It makes me think of almost everyone in my class, I'm talking to my friend about how someone was saying that piracy is not theft because nothing is taken and no-one looses anything (in this forum actually) and I was saying how I disagreed and why (you still get something out of piracy and the compagnies loose money)then this idiot pipes up about how it's ok because everyone does it and he wouldn't pay for thoes things anyways and when I proved him wrong he just started yelling and saying i'm stubborn and wrong. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 938 Joined: 9 Nov 2008  | I probably consider myself elitist in some areas and not in others. For example: at school I was academically quite good so I looked down on the other kids in class. On these forums, I'm not very elitist because most of you guys aren't morons and because I haven't been here for long enough. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 464 Joined: 6 Nov 2008    | I was considering participating in this thread but after reading the comments I've realized I'm above your mindless drivel. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 91 Joined: 17 Aug 2008  | Let's see...(not in any order) Edit:
I see what you did thar! |
Vault Legend Posts: 2205 Joined: 30 Jul 2008 |
I must say, while this has been a very enlightening discussion, I must disagree with your method of simply regarding a single example. You appear to have taken my first action as my only, something that is not the case. So, in this way, I think we'll have to agree to disagree, simply because we're once again where we've started, with so many words expressing so little. As such, it has been a fun perspective shift, but I don't believe myself "mistaken" because I adhere to syntax as something positive for language. On the same vein, I don't regard laws as restrictive. You are only as limited as your medium, and as such, I feel no limits when dealing with syntax. You apparently have semantics that are inexpressible through syntax. I can accept that you have such a barrier, where I feel I do not. By that vein alone, I would agree with you more than any English scholar, professor, or editor would. Granted, there are still thoughts of "If they just tried..." in my head. Though, such qualms are a function of my understanding, and as something irrevocable from my mind, I simply cannot hold my perspective against you. So, I think the order of the night is "agree to disagree." Your perspective is unique, but not likely something I will ever understand. In retrospect, it's been a fond pleasure.
We should have a debate sometime. I'd love to sit down for another long discussion like the one above, although preferably not while de-railing the thread next time. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1566 Joined: 8 Oct 2008    |
Actually Elitists only percieve themselves as the creme de la creme of society. They completely ignore that while they were becoming the creme de la creme everyone else was developing other skills which the elitists lack. They also fail to recognise that without the people that are worse than them at their finest attributes but who compete with them, they would have no skill at all. E.G I am a master of cricket I bowl everyone for ducks and rub their faces in it, they call me an elitist and leave, I feel proud of myself only to realise that now I have no one to play with and can not enjoy my skills at all. Oh and if my skills led me to the world stage my attitude would ensure that paparazzi hound me everywhere while everyone insults me for being so proud. This leads to my isolation and no one is happy because of my elitist attitude. Finally there is the issue of social skills; I insult Greg for being lesser to me but later realise that I have no money for the bus, guess who I can't turn to for help. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1175 Joined: 13 Nov 2007    | I am proud to be an elitist, because of this. I fail to see any need for another reason. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1331 Joined: 22 Oct 2008   | I'm a) a smartass, and b) grammar obsessive. It just click something in my brain when I see people type improperly. It ignites Bruce Banner levels of rage inside me. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 464 Joined: 6 Nov 2008 |
Something doesn't gel here... |
Muckraker  Posts: 340 Joined: 19 Dec 2007     | Hmf, I am not going to lower myself to similar levels of these obsequious imbeciles post and in this thread. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1426 Joined: 3 Apr 2008    |
hopefully i seconded |
Beat Writer  Posts: 214 Joined: 6 May 2008 | You all fail, I am Win. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2770 Joined: 13 Feb 2008    | Derailing interjections! *klaxon*
To be honest, I think you could have handled this better. The statement above oozes disdain and pretentiousness. There are less bitter ways of saying you wish to discontinue the debate than simply stating that you cannot be bothered.
Agreeing to disagree is, to me, one of the greatest failures of debate. If one or both sides are too stubborn or narrow-minded to accept the other viewpoint as valid or reasonable, then no progress has been made, both sides generally leave more frustrated than beforehand, and time was squandered. However, considering the hour and the extent - and unfortunate fruitlessness - to which you two have been flinging your standpoints at one another, I fear this may be the only possible outcome. Many apologies, but I figured now was as ideal of a time as any could be to toss that into the swirling mire of subject matter. Wait, now is a terrible time. Curses! I'm about to turn in for the night, and the last thing I do is comment on a thread-spanning debate? What is wrong with me? Ah, bother it all. Don't bother derailing the thread any further, just PM me if you want to respond in any way to anything I said. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1870 Joined: 13 Oct 2008 | i am not an elitist, i am just better than you! alternitively, acctually i am the most modest person in the world. my modesty is secont to none. (as is my spelling!) |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 582 Joined: 5 Feb 2008  |
Was that a joke? Or are we about to have a ultimatly pointless exchange of words? |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 107 Joined: 17 Sep 2008  | I'm surrounded by very intelligent people most of the time where discussion moves through the complexities of literary theory and other pretentious wank as easily as it does gaming or beer (This is up at uni). When I head back home and talk to everyone else about anything like politics or religion, then I get a little elitist when the quality of debate isn't as high. I call myself on it though, because being an intellectual snob is really annoying, so mercifully it doesn't really ever show. Still sucks when it just happens subconsciously though =/ That said, I'm ruthlessly elitist about gaming, alcohol and curry. These things matter, dammit. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 464 Joined: 6 Nov 2008 |
The only thing wrong with me is saying there's something wrong with me.
Be merciless with your curries; always demand the best. What type of curry and from what country? |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 672 Joined: 8 Nov 2007  |
Here, here. We say we're better because of intelligence. The jock says he's better because he's strong and has lots of friends. I had a guy calling me a loser a month back because I didn't smoke for chrissakes. 14yr old in 30yr old guise there, didn't matter, he considered himself better than me. No matter what you do, someone else will say they're superior because the way they view the world and the things they consider to be more important.
Heh? Do I get to be a non-white person if I don't like just about everything on that list? Maybe this is the list for American-whitey? |
Beat Writer  Posts: 176 Joined: 8 May 2008   |
Maybe an exagerration, but no joke, you mohawk wearin' British IBM Logistics...guy. (IBM Logistics, that's...cute). |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2146 Joined: 7 Sep 2008  | I think the people who are elitist are the ones who make derogatory prejudgments. Example from a user I don't care to mention:
This was actually said to me, among other things, and it was the most elitist comment I've heard in a long time- maybe not the part about the Escapist sometimes being elitist, but that it's a filthy and dirty place because it's not that user's home forum. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1331 Joined: 22 Oct 2008 |
Shush, I'm busy and important, I don't need to follow proper grammar. </hypocriticalism> Actually I'm sick and haven't been getting enough sleep, which is only exacerbating my sickness. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1515 Joined: 12 Dec 2007     |
This happens to me on just about everything. Although recently I've learnt that just not responding and letting people continue to live in their own ignorance is a better way of dealing with it. Of course, this is followed by the obligatory laughing at them with more intellectual friends. I've had people say nonsense to me about the economy like, it would be fine if they just stopped talking about it and didn't tell anyone there's a recession. Or, they should just print more money. I had an argument about cheese with my best mate's girlfriend! I was saying how ridiculous it was that you could get cheese from a supermarket that was 100% cheese substitute. She said well what else would it be? I said, well %100 cheese! She said it's not 100% it's made of milk and stuff. I said yes but it's 100% cheese, which means cheese, by definition, is made of cheese! I hate stupidity. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 464 Joined: 6 Nov 2008 |
We all make mistakes. I just found the irony too delicious to pass up. :) And... get some rest! |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1331 Joined: 22 Oct 2008 |
But then I can't be sick and use it as an excuse to not do things! |
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Oh please, that doesn't prove that you have a good memory, it proves you can remember one story.