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Has X-mas lost it's meaning?
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I hate to sound like every Christmas movie you've ever watched, but have people forgotten the meaning of Christmas? I can't believe that three people died on Black Friday. Are we that obsessed with presents and such that we're willing to fight. If so, why don't we just start gladiator matches outside stores and whoever wins gets what they want, for 80% off. Am I the only one who thinks things are spiraling out of control? What happened to the Christmas spirit? My family doesn't even get presents for each other anymore, instead we pool our money together to do something nice for one family member. We basically started this a couple years ago after getting sick of receiving gifts that don't suit us. Now the Holidays are relaxed and family gathering are about family.

Just because some people have gone nuts with shopping doesn't mean the spirit of Christmas is gone. Yes it has been over-materialized, but we live in a capitalist society, so this is nothing to be surprised about. However, I can tell you that personally, my favorite part of the Christmas day is spending the time with my family. I have found myself several times now thinking that I just want to get through the presents so we can start chatting. And eating.

Well, I'd assume the Christmas Spirit is in some bar somewhere getting drunk.

But, as for life. Meaning is what you make of it. I'm not overly fond of Christmas anyway...so many people who no, no matter how many times you're told, they don't -need- fancy gifts, or even moderately expensive gifts, just that you at least spared a thought for them. That over-urging urge, that if you -don't- buy, then you're a bad person.

There's nothing worse than putting your foot down and saying no! I'm going to acknowledge those around me just a bit more than I usually do, but not get them a gift. And then receiving a gift from them and feeling crappy about it because you didn't give anything!

And in the end, you have your whole life to be good and nice to people, why compact it into one or two consumption packed holidays per yer?

Oh god, you've just summoned Khell_Sennet. Everyone take cover before he gets here and educates us all on the true meaning of Christmas.

Saskwach:
Oh god, you've just summoned Khell_Sennet. Everyone take cover before he gets here and educates on the true meaning of Christmas.

We await in supplication and baited breath.

What, by celebrating the mid-winter season with a huge feast and present giving? Because I'm pretty sure that's probably what it was about before Jesus got involved.

Idiots will always be obsessed with the next shiny thing, to be honest I'm out of giving a shit for them. People are capable of so much, and yet they choose to spend it buy cheap plastic crap of no worth, merit or value.

I'm doing my Christmas shopping on Amazon because I can do it for the 8 people I need to buy for inside an hour, from my office, without being stampeded by 'tards. And everything I've bought is something I know the recipient will at least read, hear or drink.

I don't wish to alarm you, but people die on most days. Does that mean we've lost the meaning of most days?

No, you just don't hear about it on the news because we're supposed to believe certain days are special and other days aren't.

And for the record, nobody died for lack of christmas spirit. They died because shoppers were in search of ONE DAY ONLY (and sometimes it's only a few hours) bargins. If you want to blame anyone, blame the retailers for creating the initial conditions for mobs to form.

OuroborosChoked:
If you want to blame anyone, blame the retailers for creating the initial conditions for mobs to form.

Fine, I will.

Nah the magic is still there but not as much as there was before! It still feels good to give out the biggest presents and to have an epic feast with all your family. However the latest christmas movies are awful and I don't think ill ever get a present as awesome as the N64 and Golden Eye 64.

That would suck to die in a shopping raid, I wonder what they say at nthe funeral!

Well, i certainly have being a non believer.

It's just a time to be annoyed by the family, really. I don't really like Christmas very much, but then, i don't get on with my family very well, since they are a bunch of moaning gits.

People wonder why i have legendary patience levels. My family is the reason why.

I don't think so. In Australia I see as many Christmas trees as I'd have seen when I was young, which I suppose is 'Christmas spirit'. As long as you make somebody happy, either indirectly or directly, you're spreading the greatness that is Christmas.

What do you define as the 'true meaning of Christmas'? We're Atheists so that rules out the possibility of it being to celebrate Mithras' Jesus' birthday. For me Christmas is a time to eat, drink, relax and get some stuff I want. Does that sound shallow? I don't think so, this is one of three times in the year where I can have some bloody fun...

SecretTacoNinja:
What do you define as the 'true meaning of Christmas'? We're Atheists so that rules out the possibility of it being to celebrate Mithras' Jesus' birthday.

I'm not religious, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy Christmas. Spending time with family while eating a great meal and then sitting next to the fireplace is what Christmas means to me. Also the whole "giving" thing.

Saskwach:
Oh god, you've just summoned Khell_Sennet. Everyone take cover before he gets here and educates us all on the true meaning of Christmas.

If that is so...ten where the heck is he? *Opens blast doors and looks into cargo bay 3.* KHELL! Stop stealing my jet fuel! Come on, theres a topic you gotta comment on. NO I am Not letting you ride in the T.A.R.D.I.S. again, It still smells weird every time we get close to the 1980's.

Fine, you can ride in the TARDIS, just don't touch anything.

I agree, I feel that the presents have gotten in the way of the true meaning of christmas. I personally try to spend as much time with my family throughout the holidays to make it more than just the presents.

The presents are indeed the biggest part about it but it's more or less up to all of us to pitch in a little more effort for family values than presents.

You know, IMO of course.

Christmas has no meaning anymore. Its nothing but commercialism backed up by overly-religious farce. And it used to be ONLY about pseudo-religious farce.

No, because Christmas has gone beyond the Christian holiday. Nowadays Christmas is about kicking back, relaxing, giving and recieving presents and stuffing yourself with Turkey and Chocolates. Alot of people who celebrate Christmas aren't Christians, so we haven't lost the meaning of Christmas. Maybe the christians have, but everybody else hasn't.

GothmogII:

Saskwach:
Oh god, you've just summoned Khell_Sennet. Everyone take cover before he gets here and educates on the true meaning of Christmas.

We await in supplication and baited breath.

image*Begins playing "I Am Ironman"*

Wuahahahaa. Who dare summon me at this early hour? Seriously, it's not even noon yet.

But no, I'm not going to educate you all as to the meaning of Xmas being bullshit anyways. But you have all lost sight of something more important. Xmas always seems to overshadow my birthday, how many of you forgot? Woe be me, for the falsified date "Christ" was born has more importance than the true date of your ranting messiah's birth.

And will they gather in my holy places, sex toy shops, bookstores and mall foodcourts, and tell the tale of Khell? No. Will people gather with friends and family to celebrate, with a feast traditional Khellday Crush Lime and Hotdogs? No. And who is going to give in my holiday spirit, for on this day all are supposed to give the gift of middle fingers to bad drivers.

Woe be me, this Saturday shall be yet another unremembered Khellday.

I know we lost sight because the store i work at started putting up Christmas decorations on Oct 30th:(

Khell_Sennet:
Bruce Lee's birthday

That's the funniest image edit I have seen in literally hours.

Yes we have lost sight of the meaning of Christmas, which is to celebrate the birth of Jesus.

ThePlasmatizer:
Yes we have lost sight of the meaning of Christmas, which is to celebrate the birth of Jesus.

Technically Christmas as I recall, was the appropriation of several pagan festivals by Early Christianity in order to promote acceptance of their religion. As far as I know Jesus was REALLY born sometime in July by current reckoning and December 25th is really the birthday of Mithras.

If you want to dig WAAAY back, what we think of as Christmas is a Winter Solstice festival. There are lots of conflicting opinions on this though.

The set of events Mr. Clinton started in 1999 has led to a failing economy, making both stores and consumers desperate. The meaning is still there, it is just harder to see sometimes. But hugging your child can act like a pair of glasess for this conundrum...

EDIT: No, I'm not referring to the "events" that took place in the former president's trousers, I mean the housing bills he signed

PedroSteckecilo:

ThePlasmatizer:
Yes we have lost sight of the meaning of Christmas, which is to celebrate the birth of Jesus.

Technically Christmas as I recall, was the appropriation of several pagan festivals by Early Christianity in order to promote acceptance of their religion. As far as I know Jesus was REALLY born sometime in July by current reckoning and December 25th is really the birthday of Mithras.

If you want to dig WAAAY back, what we think of as Christmas is a Winter Solstice festival. There are lots of conflicting opinions on this though.

You're totally correct which is why Christ and Christmas are both totally coincidental right?

ThePlasmatizer:

PedroSteckecilo:

ThePlasmatizer:
Yes we have lost sight of the meaning of Christmas, which is to celebrate the birth of Jesus.

Technically Christmas as I recall, was the appropriation of several pagan festivals by Early Christianity in order to promote acceptance of their religion. As far as I know Jesus was REALLY born sometime in July by current reckoning and December 25th is really the birthday of Mithras.

If you want to dig WAAAY back, what we think of as Christmas is a Winter Solstice festival. There are lots of conflicting opinions on this though.

You're totally correct which is why Christ and Christmas are both totally coincidental right?

The early church placed Jesus' birth on a date that was already celebrated in the hopes of encouraging more to join in(and also to avoid prejudice). In reality, Christ was born somewhere between May and July, we aren't really sure.

Christmas' meaning has continuiously evolved throughout the past few centuries. Late Celtic groups in Britain celebrated it even with no knowledge of Christ being involved. It was banned in Puritan England for various reasons. Several religious groups now don't celebrate it partially because of doctrine, but also because of the sketchy history behind it. The name may make it appear to be 'Christ's mass' but its backstory for the most part disagrees.

PedroSteckecilo:

ThePlasmatizer:
Yes we have lost sight of the meaning of Christmas, which is to celebrate the birth of Jesus.

Technically Christmas as I recall, was the appropriation of several pagan festivals by Early Christianity in order to promote acceptance of their religion. As far as I know Jesus was REALLY born sometime in July by current reckoning and December 25th is really the birthday of Mithras.

If you want to dig WAAAY back, what we think of as Christmas is a Winter Solstice festival. There are lots of conflicting opinions on this though.

No, there are no conflicts. Your description is correct. Feel proud :D

rossatdi:
What, by celebrating the mid-winter season with a huge feast and present giving? Because I'm pretty sure that's probably what it was about before Jesus got involved.

Correct.

Presents under the trees? It was originally presents too the trees. Sacrifices if you will, asking for those trees to grow again soon (winter was a bitch back then).

Mistletoe was a Pagan ritual practiced during the winter solstice (shortest day of the year).

Santa Claus was originally the Viking god Odin coming to bring presents to all the kids (and left them in their shoes).

It wasn't about the birth of Christ until someone else decided to rewrite the seasonal holiday folkore.

Wouldukindly:

ThePlasmatizer:

PedroSteckecilo:

ThePlasmatizer:
Yes we have lost sight of the meaning of Christmas, which is to celebrate the birth of Jesus.

Technically Christmas as I recall, was the appropriation of several pagan festivals by Early Christianity in order to promote acceptance of their religion. As far as I know Jesus was REALLY born sometime in July by current reckoning and December 25th is really the birthday of Mithras.

If you want to dig WAAAY back, what we think of as Christmas is a Winter Solstice festival. There are lots of conflicting opinions on this though.

You're totally correct which is why Christ and Christmas are both totally coincidental right?

The early church placed Jesus' birth on a date that was already celebrated in the hopes of encouraging more to join in(and also to avoid prejudice). In reality, Christ was born somewhere between May and July, we aren't really sure.

Christmas' meaning has continuiously evolved throughout the past few centuries. Late Celtic groups in Britain celebrated it even with no knowledge of Christ being involved. It was banned in Puritan England for various reasons. Several religious groups now don't celebrate it partially because of doctrine, but also because of the sketchy history behind it. The name may make it appear to be 'Christ's mass' but its backstory for the most part disagrees.

It is Christ's Mass, it was placed there like you said by the church. We celebrate Christmas now not the Pagan Winter Festival.

It's undeniable Christmas is a celebration of Christ's birth regardless of cultural changes and founding history.

I personally don't believe I have, I mean, a lot of people have it's true, and it's not like I don't like getting presents. But I like the non-material things about the holidays, the decorations, the spirit, the festivities.

i don't know how it is in america but here in sweden its all about the cozy hot chocolate, giving, feast with family and the like (though for some reason we worship garden gnomes and santa more than jesus)

The fact that Christmas is celebrated on a date that previously belonged to another holiday and was selected for that purpose doesn't make it any less Christmas. I don't see why people think that's an important point. Those holidays were on December 25, but they were not Christmas.

To answer the OP, many celebrate Christmas as a secular holiday, but to others, it still is a spiritual and religious event. It's religious meaning lives on, but not, perhaps, for everyone.

To be honest i think the meaning of Christmas has changed.
As someone said earlier, 'meanings' in life differ between people. I enjoy Christmas because of the family atmosphere, the crappy TV specials, the Queen's speech and the way that the world seems that little bit calmer and happier (at least on Christmas day).

Not to mention that i f*****g love a good Christmas dinner.

was going to do a joke about 'giving and receiving', but some one else can drop that bombshell ;)

Shadow-Knight:
I hate to sound like every Christmas movie you've ever watched, but have people forgotten the meaning of Christmas? I can't believe that three people died on Black Friday. Are we that obsessed with presents and such that we're willing to fight. If so, why don't we just start gladiator matches outside stores and whoever wins gets what they want, for 80% off. Am I the only one who thinks things are spiraling out of control? What happened to the Christmas spirit? My family doesn't even get presents for each other anymore, instead we pool our money together to do something nice for one family member. We basically started this a couple years ago after getting sick of receiving gifts that don't suit us. Now the Holidays are relaxed and family gathering are about family.

Separation of church and state. Thereby, no. As long as the church and state remain separate, and in consumerist America (wherein the corporations are the state), Christmas being about the shopping is a good separation in my opinion.
But as far as the "meaning of Christmas", I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. It's a holiday that been passed around like prison currency.

Christmas has a meaning?

PedroSteckecilo:

ThePlasmatizer:
Yes we have lost sight of the meaning of Christmas, which is to celebrate the birth of Jesus.

Technically Christmas as I recall, was the appropriation of several pagan festivals by Early Christianity in order to promote acceptance of their religion. As far as I know Jesus was REALLY born sometime in July by current reckoning and December 25th is really the birthday of Mithras.

If you want to dig WAAAY back, what we think of as Christmas is a Winter Solstice festival. There are lots of conflicting opinions on this though.

I love you, man. Love you.

Until Christmas is renamed Saturnalia, we are out of touch with what it really means.

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