Lemme know if you want me to clarify anything, considering most of what I said was pretty generalized. Through PMs, I've mono-railed this thread enough as-is.
Lord Krunk: Jeez, the PC fanboys swarmed on this thread.
This isn't a Mac supremacist wank, as many of you seem to think. I figured that this was a discussion. So non-Mac users, please circle-jerk somewhere else. Thank you.
I think the reason PC users got so up in arms is the original poster's attitude. While "Most will even say they're better than PC (hell, I agree)." isn't quite "PCs blow lawl," it's still a rather generalized statement that doesn't accurately convey the message.
Then take his offensive-stance to any PC-user's reply, and you have a recipe for rudeness. It's like starting a thread called "Black Power" and making the opening line be nothing but "White people can't jump, and they have no rhythm."
Generalizations are a guaranteed way to offend the hell out of majority of the group they're generalizing. So I feel the general PC-user response is justified. Granted, some of us are more rude than others, but many of us have been very level-headed throughout the duration of the thread.
Also, referring to is as a "PC circle jerk" is offensive in it's own right. Especially considering if all of the PCers left, it would just become a "I agree, Macs are good at x" thread.
Although, I'm going to have to echo the sentiments for the users who've been rude on this thread. Being stand-off-ish won't accomplish anything but having the thread locked. If you're going to agree or disagree, hazard the effort to make it polite.
EDIT What the hell? How do I keep getting the first post on the new page? This is the third time today...
TJ rock 101: Macs rool! they are much more "user friendly" than others and the just look so cool. ^^
Fine, I'll respond to this in more detail. "User friendly" generally means "idiots can use it". I agree with you on this one. Idiots CAN use Macs. Also, I hate the way Macs look. Where's the neon? Where are the cold cathodes? Why dosn't it look like a monolith.
xxcloud417xx: Well, we can't deny that Apple makes great computers. Most will even say they're better than PC (hell, I agree). So I figured that mac users deserved a Mac thread (even PC users should read up on Mac). So here it is the iThread dedicated to Mac chat.
I would also like to invite some pro Mac users to discuss on here and answer questions about Macs.
I would say that 90% of computer users disagree with you.
Just because computers are in the majority does not make them superior. Macs are better in every aspect
Name one.
Susceptibility to viruses. Macs are almost completely immune. Whereas computers you either have to buy extra virus protection or expect you're computer to be infected within 30 seconds of internet use.
TJ rock 101: Macs rool! they are much more "user friendly" than others and the just look so cool. ^^
Fine, I'll respond to this in more detail. "User friendly" generally means "idiots can use it". I agree with you on this one. Idiots CAN use Macs. Also, I hate the way Macs look. Where's the neon? Where are the cold cathodes? Why dosn't it look like a monolith.
There is an old addage that I feel applies here. it goes "PC users will not accept that the mac is a decent computer, and Mac users refuse to believe there has ever been anything wrong with a mac".
quite simply it doesn't really matter any more. they are about equal, roughly
jim_doki: There is an old addage that I feel applies here. it goes "PC users will not accept that the mac is a decent computer, and Mac users refuse to believe there has ever been anything wrong with a mac".
quite simply it doesn't really matter any more. they are about equal, roughly
Lord Krunk: Jeez, the PC fanboys swarmed on this thread.
This isn't a Mac supremacist wank, as many of you seem to think. I figured that this was a discussion. So non-Mac users, please circle-jerk somewhere else. Thank you.
I think the reason PC users got so up in arms is the original poster's attitude. While "Most will even say they're better than PC (hell, I agree)." isn't quite "PCs blow lawl," it's still a rather generalized statement that doesn't accurately convey the message.
Then take his offensive-stance to any PC-user's reply, and you have a recipe for rudeness. It's like starting a thread called "Black Power" and making the opening line be nothing but "White people can't jump, and they have no rhythm."
Generalizations are a guaranteed way to offend the hell out of majority of the group they're generalizing. So I feel the general PC-user response is justified. Granted, some of us are more rude than others, but many of us have been very level-headed throughout the duration of the thread.
Also, referring to is as a "PC circle jerk" is offensive in it's own right. Especially considering if all of the PCers left, it would just become a "I agree, Macs are good at x" thread.
Although, I'm going to have to echo the sentiments for the users who've been rude on this thread. Being stand-off-ish won't accomplish anything but having the thread locked. If you're going to agree or disagree, hazard the effort to make it polite.
While I agree, this was meant to be a discussion about Macs, tech support and whatnot. I would just like if it stayed that way, and didn't descend into a flame war.
Anytime a mac user tries to tell me that macs are better, I just laugh and say "yeah ok, I'm off to play one of the many thousands of games available to me".
Lord Krunk: Jeez, the PC fanboys swarmed on this thread.
This isn't a Mac supremacist wank, as many of you seem to think. I figured that this was a discussion. So non-Mac users, please circle-jerk somewhere else. Thank you.
EDIT: See Anarchemitis' post. Then, can we re-rail this thread?
thank you.
Yeah I think even I derailed on this thread. But this thread was about Mac users talking about Macs, and PC users who are curious.
By the way, those of you who are thinking of me as a Mac fanboy, I own a PC. its my Gaming Rig and it runs great, i love it. But when i walk into the school Computer Lab and see a bunch of PCs it annoys me. Especially since all we do in that lab is editing. video, audio, photo any kind of media editing.
Now to get back on track some more.
The people who are telling me that this is a game website and that mac discussion doesn't belong here need to go look some stuff up. Macs run games. Go into an Apple Store, there are mac games, EA has returned to Mac and I think so has Activision (since there are Guitar Hero and Call of Duty for Mac now). Now here's the question, as i said above i play games on my PC, so i dont know how macs perform on a video game. How are they?
Well I am sorry to the OP but you can't start a thread about something like Macs and expect those of us who dislike them to not point out the massive flaws they have, especially when you start it out saying mac has 'The best computers' or anything of the sort.
Mac gets few games, is overly simplistic, is devoid of any options to personally upgrade it meaning you have to buy a new one frequently, it costs more... overall its simply not a good system. The problem is its proprietary meaning that you can't get the option of better hardware cheaper from elsewhere. You can't get third party software either. And virus problems, well frankly most of the jerks who make Virus software don't want to make them for macs in the first place because they consider it 'beneith' them.
Look you can like Macs, but they have flaws and PC users are going to point them out, especially when you make a post like that to start with. Welcome to the internet, where your views on reality will be constantly called into question the moment you put them on a forum.
xxcloud417xx: By the way, those of you who are thinking of me as a Mac fanboy, I own a PC. its my Gaming Rig and it runs great, i love it. But when i walk into the school Computer Lab and see a bunch of PCs it annoys me. Especially since all we do in that lab is editing. video, audio, photo any kind of media editing.
Now to get back on track some more.
The people who are telling me that this is a game website and that mac discussion doesn't belong here need to go look some stuff up. Macs run games. Go into an Apple Store, there are mac games, EA has returned to Mac and I think so has Activision (since there are Guitar Hero and Call of Duty for Mac now). Now here's the question, as i said above i play games on my PC, so i dont know how macs perform on a video game. How are they?
While there may be a small selection of Mac games, they are just that, small.
xxcloud417xx: By the way, those of you who are thinking of me as a Mac fanboy, I own a PC. its my Gaming Rig and it runs great, i love it. But when i walk into the school Computer Lab and see a bunch of PCs it annoys me. Especially since all we do in that lab is editing. video, audio, photo any kind of media editing.
Now to get back on track some more.
The people who are telling me that this is a game website and that mac discussion doesn't belong here need to go look some stuff up. Macs run games. Go into an Apple Store, there are mac games, EA has returned to Mac and I think so has Activision (since there are Guitar Hero and Call of Duty for Mac now). Now here's the question, as i said above i play games on my PC, so i dont know how macs perform on a video game. How are they?
While there may be a small selection of Mac games, they are just that, small.
On top of this, they're also a lot more hardware weak than PCs. Even the higher end Macs integrate graphics, so they eat a lot of RAM and processor to run the simple stuff. Because of that, you can never really run games on any upper specs. Hell, you can't even run a GBA emulator to a consistent speed without slowing it down.
It'd be like trying to run a new game on a laptop without a video card. Notice how hardcore any game will spike the processor levels and RAM.
Or, if you have the higher-end Macs, you still pay more for less. The general cost-to-function ratio of PC to Mac is still pretty abysmal. I could get a very very high end gaming rig for PC for the same cost as a medium-level gaming rig for the Mac.
Plus, game choice is a lot more varied and functional on Windows.
SecretTacoNinja: I want a new laptop (god forbid I'll be able to afford one... but I digress...) and all of our previous computers have been fucked by viruses in the past. I want a laptop that has these features:
Very good at: Internet surfing Playing and downloading music and videos Playing downloaded games (like SNES/Gameboy emulators and I Wanna Be The Guy)
Won't get viruses And has an easy interface Won't crash very often
Can Macs do all these? Help a gal out here.
umm... idk about the games part. but as for the rest you may like the MacBook.
Music and video DLs you can use iTunes
Internet surfing you can use the Safari which is the default browser on the Mac (and its better than Internet Explorer, although being better than Internet Explorer is like beating a midget at basketball.) but you can also go and download Firefox.
As for Viruses, there are so little viruses for Macs that you needn't worry about them with a MacBook.
Macs crash. Iv'e seen it happen, but under a ton of stress, and it was in the period when Apple used the G series processors (manufactured by Motorola i believe, correct me if i'm wrong) which were powerful but very unstable processors. With Intel I've never seen a Mac crash...
As for the interface, you decide wether you like it or not. I love it, personally, but not everyone "gets it" as you may have read in this thread, the lack of a right-click on some mouses can be annoying at first i agree but holding the CTRL key is hardly a hard habit to get into... on top of that they have also released a new mouse that, even though it looks the same as the single-click one, supports the right-click also.
Hope this helped. and Personally if you want something to play games might i recommend a desktop PC...
ChristmasChild: Rely on apple for entertainment, but if you live in a house made of Apple, you lose sight of the world because there would be *drumroll* no Windows!
xxcloud417xx: By the way, those of you who are thinking of me as a Mac fanboy, I own a PC. its my Gaming Rig and it runs great, i love it. But when i walk into the school Computer Lab and see a bunch of PCs it annoys me. Especially since all we do in that lab is editing. video, audio, photo any kind of media editing.
Now to get back on track some more.
The people who are telling me that this is a game website and that mac discussion doesn't belong here need to go look some stuff up. Macs run games. Go into an Apple Store, there are mac games, EA has returned to Mac and I think so has Activision (since there are Guitar Hero and Call of Duty for Mac now). Now here's the question, as i said above i play games on my PC, so i dont know how macs perform on a video game. How are they?
While there may be a small selection of Mac games, they are just that, small.
On top of this, they're also a lot more hardware weak than PCs. Even the higher end Macs integrate graphics, so they eat a lot of RAM and processor to run the simple stuff. Because of that, you can never really run games on any upper specs. Hell, you can even run a GBA emulator to a consistent speed without slowing it down.
It'd be like trying to run a new game on a without a video card. Notice how hardcore any game will spike the processor levels and RAM.
Or, if you have the higher-end Macs, you still pay more for less. The general cost-to-function ratio of PC to Mac is still pretty abysmal. I could get a very very high end gaming rig for PC for the same cost as a medium-level gaming rig for the Mac.
Plus, game choice is a lot more varied and functional on Windows.
I'm still perplexed, i mean i looked at some of the Mac specs and they look pretty impressive.
(Mac Pro) 8 cores, 4 terabyte Hard drive, 8 Ram slots, and 4 PCI-E 2.0 slots.
are there really PCs that can beat that? last time i looked at Alienware there wasnt anything that was close to that...
what brings the mac down so much when it plays games?
I mean ill probably always play my games on PC, but im just curious.
xxcloud417xx: By the way, those of you who are thinking of me as a Mac fanboy, I own a PC. its my Gaming Rig and it runs great, i love it. But when i walk into the school Computer Lab and see a bunch of PCs it annoys me. Especially since all we do in that lab is editing. video, audio, photo any kind of media editing.
Now to get back on track some more.
The people who are telling me that this is a game website and that mac discussion doesn't belong here need to go look some stuff up. Macs run games. Go into an Apple Store, there are mac games, EA has returned to Mac and I think so has Activision (since there are Guitar Hero and Call of Duty for Mac now). Now here's the question, as i said above i play games on my PC, so i dont know how macs perform on a video game. How are they?
While there may be a small selection of Mac games, they are just that, small.
On top of this, they're also a lot more hardware weak than PCs. Even the higher end Macs integrate graphics, so they eat a lot of RAM and processor to run the simple stuff. Because of that, you can never really run games on any upper specs. Hell, you can even run a GBA emulator to a consistent speed without slowing it down.
It'd be like trying to run a new game on a without a video card. Notice how hardcore any game will spike the processor levels and RAM.
Or, if you have the higher-end Macs, you still pay more for less. The general cost-to-function ratio of PC to Mac is still pretty abysmal. I could get a very very high end gaming rig for PC for the same cost as a medium-level gaming rig for the Mac.
Plus, game choice is a lot more varied and functional on Windows.
I'm still perplexed, i mean i looked at some of the Mac specs and they look pretty impressive.
(Mac Pro) 8 cores, 4 terabyte Hard drive, 8 Ram slots, and 4 PCI-E 2.0 slots.
are there really PCs that can beat that? last time i looked at Alienware there wasnt anything that was close to that...
what brings the mac down so much when it plays games?
I mean ill probably always play my games on PC, but im just curious.
Alienware is a ripoff, PCs can easily surpass them if they are custom built. One of my cousins put togeather a really impressive gaming rig for under 1K. Macs charge you way too much for everything and because they are not willing to support 3rd party its only going to get more expensive since you can't upgrade it piecemeal and look for good parts on sale.
xxcloud417xx: By the way, those of you who are thinking of me as a Mac fanboy, I own a PC. its my Gaming Rig and it runs great, i love it. But when i walk into the school Computer Lab and see a bunch of PCs it annoys me. Especially since all we do in that lab is editing. video, audio, photo any kind of media editing.
Now to get back on track some more.
The people who are telling me that this is a game website and that mac discussion doesn't belong here need to go look some stuff up. Macs run games. Go into an Apple Store, there are mac games, EA has returned to Mac and I think so has Activision (since there are Guitar Hero and Call of Duty for Mac now). Now here's the question, as i said above i play games on my PC, so i dont know how macs perform on a video game. How are they?
While there may be a small selection of Mac games, they are just that, small.
On top of this, they're also a lot more hardware weak than PCs. Even the higher end Macs integrate graphics, so they eat a lot of RAM and processor to run the simple stuff. Because of that, you can never really run games on any upper specs. Hell, you can even run a GBA emulator to a consistent speed without slowing it down.
It'd be like trying to run a new game on a without a video card. Notice how hardcore any game will spike the processor levels and RAM.
Or, if you have the higher-end Macs, you still pay more for less. The general cost-to-function ratio of PC to Mac is still pretty abysmal. I could get a very very high end gaming rig for PC for the same cost as a medium-level gaming rig for the Mac.
Plus, game choice is a lot more varied and functional on Windows.
I'm still perplexed, i mean i looked at some of the Mac specs and they look pretty impressive.
(Mac Pro) 8 cores, 4 terabyte Hard drive, 8 Ram slots, and 4 PCI-E 2.0 slots.
are there really PCs that can beat that? last time i looked at Alienware there wasnt anything that was close to that...
what brings the mac down so much when it plays games?
I mean ill probably always play my games on PC, but im just curious.
true, you can't beat that prebuilt from many PC vendors - but for a mac with those specs you'll be suffering from a small mortgage to repay it, whereas a custom built PC with similar specs (I suspect there are vendors that would prebuild it, but i've not seen them), would be massively cheaper. I'm a PC fanboy, but only because I fail to see that macs add anything to computing in general except for iSmug
xxcloud417xx: By the way, those of you who are thinking of me as a Mac fanboy, I own a PC. its my Gaming Rig and it runs great, i love it. But when i walk into the school Computer Lab and see a bunch of PCs it annoys me. Especially since all we do in that lab is editing. video, audio, photo any kind of media editing.
Now to get back on track some more.
The people who are telling me that this is a game website and that mac discussion doesn't belong here need to go look some stuff up. Macs run games. Go into an Apple Store, there are mac games, EA has returned to Mac and I think so has Activision (since there are Guitar Hero and Call of Duty for Mac now). Now here's the question, as i said above i play games on my PC, so i dont know how macs perform on a video game. How are they?
While there may be a small selection of Mac games, they are just that, small.
On top of this, they're also a lot more hardware weak than PCs. Even the higher end Macs integrate graphics, so they eat a lot of RAM and processor to run the simple stuff. Because of that, you can never really run games on any upper specs. Hell, you can even run a GBA emulator to a consistent speed without slowing it down.
It'd be like trying to run a new game on a without a video card. Notice how hardcore any game will spike the processor levels and RAM.
Or, if you have the higher-end Macs, you still pay more for less. The general cost-to-function ratio of PC to Mac is still pretty abysmal. I could get a very very high end gaming rig for PC for the same cost as a medium-level gaming rig for the Mac.
Plus, game choice is a lot more varied and functional on Windows.
I'm still perplexed, i mean i looked at some of the Mac specs and they look pretty impressive.
(Mac Pro) 8 cores, 4 terabyte Hard drive, 8 Ram slots, and 4 PCI-E 2.0 slots.
are there really PCs that can beat that? last time i looked at Alienware there wasnt anything that was close to that...
what brings the mac down so much when it plays games?
I mean ill probably always play my games on PC, but im just curious.
I think you misunderstand. I'm talking spec-to-cost ratios, not actual "possible specs."
xxcloud417xx: Did i mention that most people who deny that Apple makes great computers are either ignorant, stupid or both? I think we have a good example of one of those people now. Thanks TheGhostOfSin.
Get some information, and make a counter-argument that makes sense. This thread was made for just that Discussion on Macs. You can defend them or say that they suck. but we want reasons.
I don't disagree that people should provide a counter-argument if they're going to say something sucks, but I am sure there's a better way than calling him names to get your point across.
Who says you even need to respond to people who don't meet your basic criteria for discussion? Especially since the tone of Ghost of Sin's message seems more arbitrary than serious.
Lord Krunk: Jeez, the PC fanboys swarmed on this thread.
This isn't a Mac supremacist wank, as many of you seem to think. I figured that this was a discussion. So non-Mac users, please circle-jerk somewhere else. Thank you.
You are on a gaming site. Due to the almost non-existent game release schedule for Macintosh more gamers own PCs. If you're going to make comparisons between Mac and PC you should expect a large contingency of those users to defend their choice.
I'm still perplexed, i mean i looked at some of the Mac specs and they look pretty impressive.
(Mac Pro) 8 cores, 4 terabyte Hard drive, 8 Ram slots, and 4 PCI-E 2.0 slots.
are there really PCs that can beat that? last time i looked at Alienware there wasnt anything that was close to that...
what brings the mac down so much when it plays games?
I mean ill probably always play my games on PC, but im just curious.
Let's see here... You're probably rarely going to use more than 2 cores, the amount of storage space isn't important (I could, for example, have 5x2TB hard drives if I wanted), you're never going to use more than 8 gigs of RAM and it only matters what you put into the PCI slots. Also, uless you count boot camp, there are very few Mac games.
EDIT:
Leopard is the world’s most advanced operating system. So advanced, it even lets you run Windows if there’s a PC application you need to use.
...Hahahaha! Oh man, that's some funny shit... and it's from the apple website!
xxcloud417xx: I'm still perplexed, i mean i looked at some of the Mac specs and they look pretty impressive.
(Mac Pro) 8 cores, 4 terabyte Hard drive, 8 Ram slots, and 4 PCI-E 2.0 slots.
are there really PCs that can beat that? last time i looked at Alienware there wasnt anything that was close to that...
what brings the mac down so much when it plays games?
I mean ill probably always play my games on PC, but im just curious.
Yes, there are PCs which can beat that. Spec out a workstation from Hewlett-Packard or Sun Microsystems, and you'll have computers which can make even a dual-processor octo-core Mac Pro look a bit weak in comparison. These aren't consumer products, but they make Alienware's products look like the overpriced rubbish that they are.
Eggo: Can we talk about how bad the iPhone is or should I make another thread?
From my upcoming review of the Nokia E71:
RAKtheUndead: Apple iPhone 3G: The iPhone may be one of the most popular smartphones released in recent times, but the Nokia E71 makes it look like a children's plaything. The solid stainless steel and chrome finish of the E71 makes the plastic finish of the iPhone look like an elaborate toy, and it just goes downhill from there. With an inferior camera, no way to expand the internal memory, low battery life, an unimpressive operating system and most of all, an almost-complete lack of interface which doesn't use the touch screen, the iPhone doesn't endear itself to the business customers which the E71 aims for. The only place where the iPhone proves superior is in its music capabilities, and it only breaks even at best when it comes to the internet and GPS capacities. The so-called "Jesus Phone" will likely sell more units, but the E71 remains the superior phone.
the_tramp: This isn't a statement, I mean it as an honest question to all Mac users...
Why did you buy a Mac as opposed to a PC?
Many reasons :
Performance. Macs are really performant computers and they always have been. Go to Apple.com and look up the Mac Pro, it's insane.
Esthetics. They also do look pretty nice and sleek.
Annoyance. Vista vs. Mac OS X. That's all i got to say.
Service. Apple has a great warranty and they replace almost without question. Not only that, they now will transfer all your files from your PC to a Mac when you make the purchase of one, free of charge.
Marketing. I will admit I'm a slave to marketing, so are alot of people. And Apple knows how to present their stuff.
Performance: A IMac that costs 1,499$ comes with a 2.6ghz dual core processor and 2g with RAM and a discrete nVidia or ATI GPU. My computer is 2.4ghz Quad core with a 9800gtx with 4g of RAM . Esthetics: There are thousands of custom cases out there. Mine was designed like a jet intake with a 240mm fan in the front, and a second on the side with a clear side pannel. amazing and still is sleek and shinny. Mac's look all the same. Annoyance: I hate not being able to run anything fun on my laptop as opposed to my PC desktop, I can get any software I wish, and yes I have Vista. Service: It's impossible to make a general statement for PC's since there are more than just one company, like Apple. Marketing: It's a bit ironic that you talk about how Apple can do this, but explain how PC's took over in the first place. Oh, and at least PC ads don't all have the idiotic baby music.
Maybe I'm being a bit harsh here but I can't stand how Apple sells their products in such a douchebag way.
RAKtheUndead: From my upcoming review of the Nokia E71:
RAKtheUndead: Apple iPhone 3G: The iPhone may be one of the most popular smartphones released in recent times, but the Nokia E71 makes it look like a children's plaything. The solid stainless steel and chrome finish of the E71 makes the plastic finish of the iPhone look like an elaborate toy, and it just goes downhill from there. With an inferior camera, no way to expand the internal memory, low battery life, an unimpressive operating system and most of all, an almost-complete lack of interface which doesn't use the touch screen, the iPhone doesn't endear itself to the business customers which the E71 aims for. The only place where the iPhone proves superior is in its music capabilities, and it only breaks even at best when it comes to the internet and GPS capacities. The so-called "Jesus Phone" will likely sell more units, but the E71 remains the superior phone.
Man, the E71 is such a damn good phone, especially when it comes to aesthetics. I wish they would release an N97 type device with design cues from the E71...I can't believe how good it looks and feels.
Saphatorael: Why are we discussing Macs, on a gaming forum? That's like discussing squares in a forum that's about drawing circles.
Because this is the Off-topic section and not the Gaming section, think before you type! I own a Mac and I love it, its smooth running, virus free, I don't need it for games because I own a PS3 and its perfect for what I want to do and that's compose music. P.S. Mac office word is just as good as Microsoft word.
xxcloud417xx: By the way, those of you who are thinking of me as a Mac fanboy, I own a PC. its my Gaming Rig and it runs great, i love it. But when i walk into the school Computer Lab and see a bunch of PCs it annoys me. Especially since all we do in that lab is editing. video, audio, photo any kind of media editing.
Now to get back on track some more.
The people who are telling me that this is a game website and that mac discussion doesn't belong here need to go look some stuff up. Macs run games. Go into an Apple Store, there are mac games, EA has returned to Mac and I think so has Activision (since there are Guitar Hero and Call of Duty for Mac now). Now here's the question, as i said above i play games on my PC, so i dont know how macs perform on a video game. How are they?
While there may be a small selection of Mac games, they are just that, small.
On top of this, they're also a lot more hardware weak than PCs. Even the higher end Macs integrate graphics, so they eat a lot of RAM and processor to run the simple stuff. Because of that, you can never really run games on any upper specs. Hell, you can even run a GBA emulator to a consistent speed without slowing it down.
It'd be like trying to run a new game on a without a video card. Notice how hardcore any game will spike the processor levels and RAM.
Or, if you have the higher-end Macs, you still pay more for less. The general cost-to-function ratio of PC to Mac is still pretty abysmal. I could get a very very high end gaming rig for PC for the same cost as a medium-level gaming rig for the Mac.
Plus, game choice is a lot more varied and functional on Windows.
I'm still perplexed, i mean i looked at some of the Mac specs and they look pretty impressive.
(Mac Pro) 8 cores, 4 terabyte Hard drive, 8 Ram slots, and 4 PCI-E 2.0 slots.
are there really PCs that can beat that? last time i looked at Alienware there wasnt anything that was close to that...
what brings the mac down so much when it plays games?
I mean ill probably always play my games on PC, but im just curious.
I think you misunderstand. I'm talking spec-to-cost ratios, not actual "possible specs."
The specs I could find for that piece is as follows:
Mac Pro: 2.8 Quad - Base Specs
Well, like above, lemme try that with my usual suspect site for building PCs.
PC Analog
Total savings of nearly $2,000 dollars. If I were to try to build the best PC I could for an equal or lesser price, it would look like this:
Price Matching, PC Style
That's not to say Macs can't do it, it's just that they can't do it at reasonable cost.
As much as I agree that Macs are overcosted, the basic Mac Pro, to be fair, isn't that much more expensive than a custom-build using comparable parts.
My search led me to Newegg, where I took the dual processor thing into mind to try to create a comparable system. Let's just say that server parts cost plenty of money.
Case: Thermaltake Armor Series VA8000BWS Black Aluminum / Steel ATX Full Tower - $144.99
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD3200KSRTL 320GB 7200 RPM SATA - $79.99
Motherboard: SUPERMICRO MBD-X7DAL-E-O Dual LGA 771 Intel 5000X ATX - $369.99 (here's where the cost starts to build up.)
Processors: Intel Xeon E5440 Harpertown 2.83GHz LGA 771 80W Quad-Core - $716.99 x 2 = $1,433.98 (Ouch. If you don't get Xeon models, though, somebody might call you out on that.)
Power Supply: Antec TruePower Quattro TPQ-1000 1000W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI - $229.99
Economy of scale eventually works in favour of the custom-build PC, especially when it comes to the workstation graphics cards, but at base level, it's almost a good idea to take a Mac Pro as a workstation. Until you realise that companies like Hewlett-Packard and Sun Microsystems probably produce comparable machines which run with an operating system more suited for workstation programs - Linux.
The base octocore Mac Pro is actually a very good deal in terms of what you're paying for the most basic parts, but then you remember the complete lack of support for graphics cards beyond Nvidia's G92 chipset and then it gets rather embarrassing.
Eggo: The base octocore Mac Pro is actually a very good deal in terms of what you're paying for the most basic parts, but then you remember the complete lack of support for graphics cards beyond Nvidia's G92 chipset and then it gets rather embarrassing.
Indeed. No room for a Quadro CX or FX 5800 in there anywhere. The fact that you can't even put two FX 5600s in there doesn't compare well with other workstation manufacturers.
Lord Krunk: Jeez, the PC fanboys swarmed on this thread.
This isn't a Mac supremacist wank, as many of you seem to think. I figured that this was a discussion. So non-Mac users, please circle-jerk somewhere else. Thank you.
You are on a gaming site. Due to the almost non-existent game release schedule for Macintosh more gamers own PCs. If you're going to make comparisons between Mac and PC you should expect a large contingency of those users to defend their choice.
Yeah, but there was no mention of PCs before someone decided to run into the thread and say 'PCs are better!'. That's what annoys me.
Anyway, being an owner of both, I would like to say that the PC is a cheap, effective and useful computer for digital graphics manipulation and gaming, but the Mac scores big points in the fact that it doesn't get viruses.
Not to mention that my Mac can start up reliably in 20 seconds, where my PC chugs. I need to get a new one. BADLY.
P.S. This thread has reached the point of no return, unfortunately. I foresee a lock in the recent future, no matter how peaceful the intention of this thread was meant to be.
EDIT: Actually, I read it wrong. He sorta said that he believed that the Mac was better, but does that really give us invitation to force our own opinions down his throat?
xxcloud417xx: Nimbus, 90% of computer owners don't care what they get, they just want something cheap, that browses the web and is able to use a word processing document. That's hardly the crowd to ask if a Mac is a good machine.
Oooh, so Macs are for elitists, now we're getting somewhere.
Lord Krunk: Anyway, being an owner of both, I would like to say that the PC is a cheap, effective and useful computer for digital graphics manipulation and gaming, but the Mac scores big points in the fact that it doesn't get viruses.
Lemme know if you want me to clarify anything, considering most of what I said was pretty generalized. Through PMs, I've mono-railed this thread enough as-is.
I think the reason PC users got so up in arms is the original poster's attitude. While "Most will even say they're better than PC (hell, I agree)." isn't quite "PCs blow lawl," it's still a rather generalized statement that doesn't accurately convey the message.
Then take his offensive-stance to any PC-user's reply, and you have a recipe for rudeness. It's like starting a thread called "Black Power" and making the opening line be nothing but "White people can't jump, and they have no rhythm."
Generalizations are a guaranteed way to offend the hell out of majority of the group they're generalizing. So I feel the general PC-user response is justified. Granted, some of us are more rude than others, but many of us have been very level-headed throughout the duration of the thread.
Also, referring to is as a "PC circle jerk" is offensive in it's own right. Especially considering if all of the PCers left, it would just become a "I agree, Macs are good at x" thread.
Although, I'm going to have to echo the sentiments for the users who've been rude on this thread. Being stand-off-ish won't accomplish anything but having the thread locked. If you're going to agree or disagree, hazard the effort to make it polite.
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What the hell? How do I keep getting the first post on the new page? This is the third time today...
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This is an example of what not to do.