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On the Record  Posts: 5175 Joined: 3 Mar 2008     | |
BANNED  Posts: 4378 Joined: 21 Aug 2008     | That's funny because I can easily ask how the hell do you manage to get a virus on a PC! And Apple must clearly think it's a serious enough issue to devote support documentation to it. User was banned for: Microsoft and the World Domination of Gaming&Communication. (Permanent) |
BANNED  Posts: 2513 Joined: 3 Dec 2008    |
Macs CAN run most emulators. They generally cannot run downloaded games though, as most games are .exe files. But if you get Boot Kamp then its no problem. User was banned for: The artist in thee. (Permanent) |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 97 Joined: 16 Jun 2008   |
But cna you play PS3 GAMES on it? NOPE |
BANNED Posts: 2513 Joined: 3 Dec 2008 |
Yeah but that's the case with ANY Playstation emulator (Mac or PC), Sony has been good at covering themselves on the emulator front. User was banned for: The artist in thee. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1020 Joined: 28 Jul 2008    | Can Mac's play Crysis/Fallout 3/BioShock? Even Quake 2? Quake 4? If it couldn't play at least 3 of those, I don't know how much I'd want one, even free (unless I could sell it obviously). However, I'm biased, I just got a new top-of-the line gaming PC for the low price of 500 bucks, I'd type out the specs, but I'm too lazy to think right now, so I'll say this: Crysis (at something like 1200x1000 with 4xAA) on Highest with Vista. Bitch :P |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1427 Joined: 3 Apr 2008     |
took the words right outa my mouth |
On the Record Posts: 5175 Joined: 3 Mar 2008 |
It's as easy as getting RickRolled, and in the same way; dodgy links. Spyware and Malware are also huge and hard to avoid issues as well. As for the second thing, doesn't Windows hand out support documentation as well? EDIT: Now there's a PS3 fanboy to help with the derailment. I'm out of here. |
BANNED Posts: 4378 Joined: 21 Aug 2008 |
But that's only true if you're someone who has no modicum of good judgment or tech literacy. Then again, we're talking about Mac OS X users...
Certainly, but Microsoft isn't the one spending hundreds of millions of dollars attacking Apple in countless television advertisements because of it. User was banned for: Microsoft and the World Domination of Gaming&Communication. (Permanent) |
Copy Clerk Posts: 97 Joined: 16 Jun 2008 |
WELL PS3 HAS BETTER GRAFFIX THEN PC LOL YOU PROB DON'T EVEN HAVE 3D |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 464 Joined: 6 Nov 2008     |
I have a question: What frame rates are you getting in Crysis, under what settings and what resolution with the Mac Pro?
Seriously, do we need comments like these? |
Press Junketeer Posts: 464 Joined: 6 Nov 2008 |
Of what? Your intentionally poor spelling, or your keyboard's damaged Caps Lock key? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1685 Joined: 7 Feb 2008    |
Nope, and I'll be frank about viruses. On the issue with crashes: On the issue of Easy Interface:
And you already know PCs are great at all these three: Internet surfing Now for the issue of viruses and crashing, I recommend you install a "Stripped to the bone" edition of Windows. It's Windows without most of the extra drivers and useless crap. Basically it's the base windows with notepad, networking, and plug and play for mouse, keyboard, and monitor. The rest of the computer parts that require drivers all come with the drivers. Format the drive, install windows, install motherboard drivers (important), install video and sound drivers, install Mouse/Keyboard and other peripherals. Failing to install motherboard drivers have caused issues and crashes before. Get Firefox with No-Script. This is your first line of defense against viruses. Get a nice free anti-virus like AVG or AVAST!, these are two of the most popular ones. Head on over to www.majorgeeks.com and check out some of the freeware utilities. I personally love ProcessXP. 99% of any crashes or errors are caused by PEBKAC or a bug(s) with 3rd party programs/games. The other 1% can be legitimately blamed on Microsoft. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1672 Joined: 10 Sep 2008   |
OK I'll take the bait. A lot of people don't like macs for a lot of reason, they are insanely expensive, cannot be upgraded (solder cpus to the motherboad=fail) and apple have fucking abysmal customer service (having dealt with them and been fucked over $400 worth of product I don't really care if you think different, my mind is made). Some people may not like the OS, some people may not like the look, some people may not like the whole "casual/cool" computer user image associated with them. Clearly you are both ignorant and stupid, so keep your rants from people who have their own opinions. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 828 Joined: 12 Aug 2008    |
You're a strange lad. Strange awesome. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1083 Joined: 11 May 2008  | I can't believe i missed this thread, as a resident Mac user and all... |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3381 Joined: 23 Oct 2007 |
Yes, I know this is a troll, but yes, I do have to answer this question. Weaknesses of the PS3 platform which render it completely unusable as a substitute to a computer: 1) The PS3 doesn't even come with an operating system as standard. You've got to download some sort of Linux distro, and an inferior one at that. When you do get this Linux operating system installed, you'll be stuck with only a limited supply of programs, unless you like installing from source. 2) The hepta-core Cell processor in the PlayStation 3 may be great for supercomputing, but that's because supercomputing uses a lot of floating-point code. What it isn't so impressive at is fixed-point code, which I will note that most of these Linux programs that you'll be using are written to use. And hell, if the Cell processor is so overwhelmingly powerful, why is it that about a third of the processors of the IBM Roadrunner are dual-core AMD Opterons? Why are seven-tenths of the computers in the top 10 of the TOP500 list of supercomputers using x86-64 architectures? 3) 256MB of RAM. That's less than on my Pentium M laptop. Enough said. 4)
But can you play Windows games on a PS3? Not unless you like virtualisation, because Wine isn't going to work on a POWER-architecture processor. No matter how powerful the PS3 might appear to be, there's absolutely no bloody way you're going to be able to get a virtualisation program that works well enough to play any game which a modern PC couldn't also do with virtualisation, which sort of leaves you around the era of System Shock 2 and Quake III. Not very impressive for your precious PS3, then. Hell, you can't even play PlayStation 2 games on a PS3 any more. A high-end multi-core processor from a PC, like a Core 2 or a Phenom actually can to some extent, with the help of PCSX2. Try getting that working on your PS3 without flipping out with anger. 5)
And how do you explain this, then? (The PS3's GPU is a modified 7800 GTX. Down near the bottom. Also, I'm surprised to see the 6600 GT still on the chart.) The PC has been kicking the PS3's arse as regards graphical capability since only a few months after its release. That doesn't even count rendering cards, like the ATI FireGL and Nvidia Quadro series. What platform are all PS3 games made on? Could it be the PC, by any chance? |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 432 Joined: 24 Dec 2007    | I use a PC, and so far I've been using a PC with Windows, because, well, I sorta want to play games on it. I haven't had a virus on my last two computers, and I've been using nothing but freeware firewalls or trials downloaded in a jiffy. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3381 Joined: 23 Oct 2007 |
Not as much freeware as there is for Palm OS, and that's a very outdated operating system by this stage. That's not even getting to Symbian OS or WinMobile, and by the time that Android and Linux gain more popular acceptance in mobile phones, they'll really show how unimpressive iPhone OS really is. |
Red Guard  Posts: 2671 Joined: 16 Dec 2007    |
If you know it's a troll why do you continue to give him your attention? PM a moderator in the future. |
On the Record Posts: 5175 Joined: 3 Mar 2008 |
That's useful, and awesome. I'll need to copy/paste this for future use when I get my new PC. By the way, what 'Windows' are you referring to? Also, how do you get a 'stripped to the bone' version? |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 926 Joined: 13 May 2008    |
In the last two months I've got 10 new remote exploits and worms for Microsoft and only 3 for software that runs on Microsoft products. This could be because people are actively targeting Microsoft, but that is not the case when you see the number of vulnerabilities that are being discovered and patched. (I'm intentionally not including web page based exploits here by the way). Now my experience as a Systems Administrator is inclined to agree with you on the PEBKAC thing, but if there is anything that I've learned in the last 5(+) years, it's that most of the time the problem is not the users fault. Viral infection can occur just from visiting a web page, or in a forged email from a legitimate sender: PEBKAC is potential, but I'm not sure that it justifies that high a number. Also, random insight: A lot of Microsoft developers (the guy who works on WMP for example) claim that 3rd party plugins are at fault, and whilst this is true, decent coding of the internal API can (SHOULD) prevent these problems. Edit: brought to you by my MacBook Pro which is crashing courtesy the latest round of MS Office Updates. :( Whoops, Edit 2: OS X runs better for non-viral infections because it's already in a restricted account (unless you manually enable the root user and use that), but you get a lot less of a game base. I'm a Sophos partner (well, the two man company I work for is) and recommend it for all three types of OS for their fore-running work in a lot of the AntiVirus field and run it on my own OS X installation (three servers, and a laptop) as well as at all the companies I contract for. Gah, Edit 3: Final edit I promise. AVG have proven themselves slightly unreliable lately in what they do and don't keep for your system, Avast I support all the way though. Yarr. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2194 Joined: 10 Jul 2004   |
As a person who uses a Mac, I honestly have to say they are no better than Windows based PC. The reason why I started using a Mac was not because of the hardware, or all the bullshit hype/sub-culture/cult Apple has created through its marketing campaign. I use a Mac because I do a lot of video editing, and after using Adobe, Avid, and Final Cut, I found that Final Cut was easier and more pleasurable to use. Final Cut happens to be exclusively for Mac OS X, which is why I got a Mac in the first place. Although its a relief not having to run virus scanners, spyware scanners and all the sort, Mac OS X Leopard still has its fair share of glitches and crashes. I actually used to build Windows based PCs back in the day, and enjoyed it very much. I experimented with water cooling, overclocking, having fun acting like a mad scientist bent on world domination. I have Windows Vista installed on my Mac Pro now, and have to say it is not all that bad as people make it out to be. But then again, I just use Vista for gaming. I am in no way saying that AVID and Adobe sucks compared to Final Cut Pro, all three are great programs. I just personally liked the interface and options offered by Final Cut Pro. |
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Muckraker  Posts: 340 Joined: 19 Dec 2007    |
Get a snazzy looking laptop that you like. Make sure its got windows Vista. Install AVG Antivirus free edition. Download and play away! What laptop to get? Thats a different discussion, but if you want to discuss, feel free to send me a PM. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1288 Joined: 22 Oct 2008  |
Don't put words in my mouth. Macs are more for professional grade or hardcore technology users. And the average person isn't like that. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1288 Joined: 22 Oct 2008 |
Actually yeah, Mac has Quake 4 and Crysis is EA, and EA has returned to the Mac platform... sooo... yeah you can. as for running it so well for under 500 dollars... no... hell no. It may have Bioshock and Fallout but I'm not sure yet. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3381 Joined: 23 Oct 2007 |
*cough* *BSD *cough* *cough* AIX *cough* *spluttering, choking cough* Linux *falls over from asphyxiation* |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3923 Joined: 15 Aug 2008 | I used to be unbiased towards macs, but that was all before their recent advertising campaign of PC bashing was aired on television. Now, whenever I think about a mac all I can see in my head are those comercials that just get under my skin. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1020 Joined: 28 Jul 2008 |
Well I know it can run Quake 4, but thats 1 outta 5. And there are now Mac-only viruses. Macs = cheaper and take a little bit less room. If you live in a house, space shouldn't be a problem. |
Muckraker  Posts: 280 Joined: 7 Feb 2008  | I'm neither crazy about Macs or PCs, but I'll say one thing about Macs that I like: -BATTERY LIFE. Yes, I know it's all subjective, there are PC laptops blah blah blah, but Macs tend to have a longer battery life with it's laptops. If I didn't have an Alphasmart, I would have considered getting one for work. |
BANNED Posts: 4378 Joined: 21 Aug 2008 | http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/09/new-macbooks-said-to-have-issues-with-maxed-out-ram-faulty-nvid/ It's almost like as if Apple is trying to get more criticisms hurled at it. User was banned for: Microsoft and the World Domination of Gaming&Communication. (Permanent) |
BANNED  Posts: 599 Joined: 10 Oct 2008    |
Ignorant and stupid? Somebody's touchy about making the wrong choice for a computer.
Oooh, so Macs are for elitists who need to make excuses, now we're getting somewhere. User was banned for: Your.Name.Here Presents: Perma-Ban, the Thread!. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3447 Joined: 8 May 2008  | I like Mapple computers. I don't like their price (slim n' sexy is nice but I can get that in PC too, for cheaper, and put an Apple sticker on it. I also hate Mapple for their attack ads, DRM, and their general ideology. |
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How the hell do you manage to get a virus on a Mac? You must be looking up suspicious sites en masse! Anyways, I've never had any trouble with this thing.