I know there have probably been some global warming threads but the awful escapist search button yielded no results.(nor did clicking though pages)
EDIT: old links not working, but the gist of the thread is, there is substantial evidence against man made global warming. So do you still believe it or have you adjusted your belief in it+ general discussion about it.
No, it was made by aliens, or possibly sea lions - those sea lions whine a lot.
Strictly speaking, it's no myth. Global warming means both hotter summers and cooler winters, which confuses some people. However, the sea level has been steadily rising, causing a lot of trouble, because global warming actually is successfully melting the icecaps. The main people who are fighting global warming are largely big-business interests who realize the overwhelming costs involved in reversing global warming would likely bankrupt them.
Reason I feel dissent on this issue is a good thing is because look at all the legislation that will require lesser emissions, cap and trade etc. Many of which can be harmful to economies (which we do not need in todays economic climate)
So your thoughts?
so what you're saying is that we should continue to rape the environment in order to make a buck? this is unsustainable, even if you don't think that heavy industry has contributed to global warming....
EDIT: you also need a voting option that says "global warming is a combination of normal climate change AND contributions by heavy industry and CFCs"
I think the "next ice age - this is just a cycle" theory is a bunch of nonsense. I'm also pretty sure in the last ice age we didn't have millions of cars roaming around either.
While global warming MIGHT be part of a natural cycle that goes around, much like ice-ages... humans have definately speeded this up with the amount of additional Greenhouse gasses we've been pumping out.
DamienHell: Look at the numbers, CO2 causes global warming, humans pump a CRAP LOAD of CO2 into the air. Humans caused global warming
alright since no one looks at links and such(we are lazy ha) "CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another....Every scientist knows this, but it doesn't pay to say so...Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver's seat and developing nations walking barefoot." - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.
"Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will." - . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ
That's just two quotes I can bring up articles that agree to.
DamienHell: Look at the numbers, CO2 causes global warming, humans pump a CRAP LOAD of CO2 into the air. Humans caused global warming
alright since no one looks at links and such(we are lazy ha) "CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another....Every scientist knows this, but it doesn't pay to say so...Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver's seat and developing nations walking barefoot." - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.
"Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will." - . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ
That's just two quotes I can bring up articles that agree to.
Yes yes, every scientist in the world being payed off makes more sense than just those two. Theres a pascals wager about global warming, I don't remeber the name of the video but it basically said. If we act to counter global warming, and we're wrong, no big loss. But if its true and we DON'T act, we're boned. I have no intention of argueing whether global warming is true or not. So don't try and start a pointless debate.
DamienHell: Look at the numbers, CO2 causes global warming, humans pump a CRAP LOAD of CO2 into the air. Humans caused global warming
alright since no one looks at links and such(we are lazy ha) "CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another....Every scientist knows this, but it doesn't pay to say so...Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver's seat and developing nations walking barefoot." - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.
"Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will." - . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ
That's just two quotes I can bring up articles that agree to.
Yes yes, every scientist in the world being payed off makes more sense than just those two. Theres a pascals wager about global warming, I don't remeber the name of the video but it basically said. If we act to counter global warming, and we're wrong, no big loss. But if its true and we DON'T act, we're boned. I have no intention of argueing whether global warming is true or not. So don't try and start a pointless debate.
Yes thats just two I quoted HEADLINE UN Blowback: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims. About two thirds of the presenters and question-askers were hostile to, even dismissive of, the IPCC (International panel on climate change) and the idea that the Earth's climate was responding to human influences. This was rather shocking to me who knows of several other such scientists but had no idea there were so many (quotes from a .gov site and IRCC blog) Heck even my UT professors are dismissive of it(granted they are PHD in biology chemistry and meteorology) So they probably know nothing about the theory.......
DamienHell: Look at the numbers, CO2 causes global warming, humans pump a CRAP LOAD of CO2 into the air. Humans caused global warming
alright since no one looks at links and such(we are lazy ha) "CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another... Every scientist knows this, but it doesn't pay to say so... Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver's seat and developing nations walking barefoot." - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.
"Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will." - . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ
That's just two quotes I can bring up articles that agree to.
Yes yes, every scientist in the world being payed off makes more sense than just those two. Theres a pascals wager about global warming, I don't remeber the name of the video but it basically said. If we act to counter global warming, and we're wrong, no big loss. But if its true and we DON'T act, we're boned. I have no intention of argueing whether global warming is true or not. So don't try and start a pointless debate.
I hope you realize that there's a whole lot more scientists than just these two who think that. Plus, it's been proven in the past that something terrible happening is always more popular than something terrible not happening.
However, I have nothing against helping the environment. Heck, even if global warming is a sham, then at least we have a cleaner environment.
Marc Morano is not a credible source. He's a political operative who participated in the "Swiftboat" campaign. I find it ridiculous that this guy gets to be the official voice of Republicans on any issue, especially the environment.
There's just too much evidence for anthropogenic global warming to take it as anything other than a serious threat. If we ignore it, we shall be sorry. There's even been a concerted effort by oil companies in the past to obfuscate the evidence, the bush administration has spent a lot of effort delaying and procrastinating over legislation, and now even they admit that man is the cause of it.
I believe in global warming causing the oceanic conveyor to stop, causing the next ice age. I am just sick of fools that walk outside on a hot day and say: "it's global warming!" The earth is supposed to warm by 2 degrees by 2050, not turn into a sauna everytime you leave your air conditioner.
Alex_P: Marc Morano is not a credible source. He's a political operative who participated in the "Swiftboat" campaign. I find it ridiculous that this guy gets to be the official voice of Republicans on any issue, especially the environment.
-- Alex
Yes but that doesn't quite discount the 50 links(rough estimate) and peer reviewed articles there were in the update. And also many scattered though the US senate committee on environment and public works page.
Can you make the option for; ITS NOT CALLED GLOBAL WARMING BY SCIENTISTS ANYMORE! Eh hem. Sorry that's just a pet peeve of mine. It's been called climate change for a while now seeing as some astute scholars pointed out it doesn't increase heat by much on average (it still does), but instead merely lengthens summer which has similar effects to a hotter summer, but, you know, this way we become a souffle instead of broiled meat.
in the UK, one thing you never hear about in the government propaganda portrayed by the media is the ocean's effect on climate change. Sea Water absorbs CO2 when it is cold, and vice versa (when its hot, the previously absorbed CO2 is expelled back into the atmosphere). So its true that more CO2 = higher temperature, but its the other way round as to what is being constantly rammed down our throats on the news by morons like greenpeace. It is so obvious, when you know these facts, that the whole global warming scandal is just government hysteria generated to get yet more tax out of the public, and unfairly so. Why should drivers of 4x4's have to pay more road tax for doing so, when the difference theyre making to the atmosphere is so minute compared to natural processes?
ianuam: There's just too much evidence for anthropogenic global warming to take it as anything other than a serious threat. If we ignore it, we shall be sorry. There's even been a concerted effort by oil companies in the past to obfuscate the evidence, the bush administration has spent a lot of effort delaying and procrastinating over legislation, and now even they admit that man is the cause of it.
thats the one thing the bush administration did right, ignoring propaganda and scaretactics used by ither countries. hell, i wish the government here in the uk would have the balls to do the same
sneakypenguin: Yes but that doesn't quite discount the 50 links(rough estimate) and peer reviewed articles there were in the update. And also many scattered though the US senate committee on environment and public works page.
There's room for reasoned debate. "Taking sides" is stupid here. There are many facets to anthropogenic climate change and many potential outcomes. There's room for debate on the scope and character of anthropogenic climate change.
Marc Morano, however, is not interested in reasoned debate. On any topic. His entire career is based on lying to people. Even his links are dubious because of how he harvests them. Credible and false sources are mixed together randomly, often with the bullshit pages saying things like "NO GLOBAL WARMING EVER IT IS ALL A LIE!" and the better-researched pages saying something like "Sunspot activity is low this year" (does that say something about anthropogenic climate change? not necessarily -- and Marc is too busy pooping out links to actually explain why many of the various bits of real data he quotes actually say anything about anthropogenic climate change).
There's all this scientific stuff talking about how rise in animal life causes a decrease in forests making CO2 levels rise to the point where plant life is not supportable causing an ice age which brings about less animals, more plants, more oxygen, less CO2, and we repeat.
My point is there is a trend in global warming happening over the history of the Earth but we are making it go much much faster.
ianuam: There's just too much evidence for anthropogenic global warming to take it as anything other than a serious threat. If we ignore it, we shall be sorry. There's even been a concerted effort by oil companies in the past to obfuscate the evidence, the bush administration has spent a lot of effort delaying and procrastinating over legislation, and now even they admit that man is the cause of it.
thats the one thing the bush administration did right, ignoring propaganda and scaretactics used by ither countries. hell, i wish the government here in the uk would have the balls to do the same
Hey a fellow "climate change" skeptic! I find the whole mindless belief in it strange. People just seem to be like "well it seems most scientist believe it and the media sure hounds on it so it must be serious" If people would just look at data rather than theories they would probably see that the hysteria is not well placed. (here comes someone with a link of "data" saying the hysteria is well placed lol)
y8c616: Why should drivers of 4x4's have to pay more road tax for doing so, when the difference theyre making to the atmosphere is so minute compared to natural processes?
Perhaps because the output of low-fuel-efficiency cars also does more to contribute to smog, which causes local environmental and health problems?
sneakypenguin: Yes but that doesn't quite discount the 50 links(rough estimate) and peer reviewed articles there were in the update. And also many scattered though the US senate committee on environment and public works page.
There's room for reasoned debate. "Taking sides" is stupid here. There are many facets to anthropogenic climate change and many potential outcomes. There's room for debate on the scope and character of anthropogenic climate change.
Marc Morano, however, is not interested in reasoned debate. On any topic. His entire career is based on lying to people. Even his links are dubious because of how he harvests them. Credible and false sources are mixed together randomly, often with the bullshit pages saying things like "NO GLOBAL WARMING EVER IT IS ALL A LIE!" and the better-researched pages saying something like "Sunspot activity is low this year" (does that say something about anthropogenic climate change? not necessarily -- and Marc is too busy pooping out links to actually explain why many of the various bits of real data he quotes actually say anything about anthropogenic climate change).
-- Alex
True I was using the article as a jumping off point of sorts, yes some links are slanted, it goes both ways I doubt there is a truly objective look at it. But there is a vast number of Peer reviewed articles that are good. You just have to wade though the mindless Global warming is a fake and CO2 will kill us all type mantra from both sides.
ianuam: There's just too much evidence for anthropogenic global warming to take it as anything other than a serious threat. If we ignore it, we shall be sorry. There's even been a concerted effort by oil companies in the past to obfuscate the evidence, the bush administration has spent a lot of effort delaying and procrastinating over legislation, and now even they admit that man is the cause of it.
thats the one thing the bush administration did right, ignoring propaganda and scaretactics used by ither countries. hell, i wish the government here in the uk would have the balls to do the same
Hey a fellow "climate change" skeptic! I find the whole mindless belief in it strange. People just seem to be like "well it seems most scientist believe it and the media sure hounds on it so it must be serious" If people would just look at data rather than theories they would probably see that the hysteria is not well placed. (here comes someone with a link of "data" saying the hysteria is well placed lol)
you say "well it seems most scientist believe it", however, some scintists, i think in germany, were quoted as saying that there is no evidence that humans contriblute significantly to climate change. Of course, the media, and probably the government, allow little to no exposeure of these scientists, because it contradicts their propaganda
ianuam: There's just too much evidence for anthropogenic global warming to take it as anything other than a serious threat. If we ignore it, we shall be sorry. There's even been a concerted effort by oil companies in the past to obfuscate the evidence, the bush administration has spent a lot of effort delaying and procrastinating over legislation, and now even they admit that man is the cause of it.
thats the one thing the bush administration did right, ignoring propaganda and scaretactics used by ither countries. hell, i wish the government here in the uk would have the balls to do the same
Hey a fellow "climate change" skeptic! I find the whole mindless belief in it strange. People just seem to be like "well it seems most scientist believe it and the media sure hounds on it so it must be serious" If people would just look at data rather than theories they would probably see that the hysteria is not well placed. (here comes someone with a link of "data" saying the hysteria is well placed lol)
you say "well it seems most scientist believe it", however, some scintists, i think in germany, were quoted as saying that there is no evidence that humans contriblute significantly to climate change. Of course, the media, and probably the government, allow little to no exposeure of these scientists, because it contradicts their propaganda
Yep its hard to be in the minority opinion, you are either silenced, labeled as crazy or misinformed. You and I both know there is significant scientific dissent over man made global warming but with the media/UN you would think everyone believes it and it's an imminent danger.
Climate Change is just a natural process and it is happening man-made or not. So I don't actually believe Human activity is responsible
BUT! I don't think that means you can go be a a irresponsible dick and shit all over the environment either.
Also I believe we need to find alternative energy sources simply for the practical reason that Oil reserves will reach a point where they can't supply demand and at that point we are truly fucked. Thats why I don't like 4x4 drivers who live in cities.
Listen. There is acceptable scientific evidence to accept the hypothesis that global warming is anthropogenic, this is how ideas are tested. If there are enough experiments that show otherwise then the new theory will prevail.
Admittedly when I first heard of global warming I didn't believe it. It was difficult for me to believe that mankind could have that much of an effect on the environment. However, I've done research on the issue since then and I am now convinced that we are the main force causing it.
PureChaos: if global warming is a problem then why is it so bloody cold?
2008 is expected to be the coldest temp in the decade and this winter is supposed to be awful(BBC) but I guess we are supposed to blame colder temps on global warming or something.......(waits on someones link/theory ;)
I know there have probably been some global warming threads but the awful escapist search button yielded no results.(nor did clicking though pages)
EDIT: old links not working, but the gist of the thread is, there is substantial evidence against man made global warming. So do you still believe it or have you adjusted your belief in it+ general discussion about it.